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ben_vulpes: evening, hanbot.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1158322 << can only be resolved on a case-by-case basis, not ever at a larger scale i don't think.
ben_vulpes: !up mius
ben_vulpes: "stella", for a favorite kids book "stella luna", because the car is a batmobile.
ben_vulpes: in other news, i named the car.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's okay, the toilet needs it.
ben_vulpes: i'm appropriately burnt out on self-mgmt on this task for today, but can still turn cranks
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lemme know if i can answer anything for ya
ben_vulpes: i tried this with both the IP addr for lfnet in the satoshi codebase and also the ip addr provided when loking up irc.lfnet.org
ben_vulpes: i was going to script this, but a visual inspection seems to indicate no nodes on the irc.
ben_vulpes: i fear there are either no ungavinized nodes out there, or they're allr unning with no irc connectino
ben_vulpes: confirmed that my node is actually connecting by hardcoding its connection room
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin01,02,03,05,05,10,20,25,30,35,22
ben_vulpes: well first off there are no clients in the bitcoinchannels
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes is loath to apply wireshark to this
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.
ben_vulpes: i must be cocking this up in some novel way
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my nodes are actually failing to connect to either IP
ben_vulpes for bread and cheese
ben_vulpes: maybe its the best busines for pillaging some specific kinds of subsidies?
ben_vulpes: (or so it seems from the outside).
ben_vulpes: mining is the worst business.
ben_vulpes: moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place
ben_vulpes: clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)
ben_vulpes: look how dumb we are
ben_vulpes: me too
ben_vulpes: it's about inclusion logic after transactions got broadcast
ben_vulpes: prefer transactions with high fees over transactions with low fees
ben_vulpes: convention for a long time was that "the earliest broadcast transaction wins" as some sort of half-assed soft-connsensus-aka-fecal-matter prophylactic against double spends
ben_vulpes: it is in no way to the best of my knowledge a change in anything of import
ben_vulpes: myeah, and miners should really be doing it already
ben_vulpes: nevermind that nothing keeps people from selecting transactions for block inclusion arbitrarily
ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and how was it?
ben_vulpes: same is true for the major haskell shops.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: better in every way but source-open-ness?
ben_vulpes: p sure we all have vastly better things to be doing
ben_vulpes: but who's going to implement a clim irc client on allegro
ben_vulpes: or if anyone gave a shit and implemented it on allegro it might work
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes: lol hi fartacus
ben_vulpes: you'll not find much in there.
ben_vulpes: involved*.
ben_vulpes: no, i noticed the snip. i figured smarts were involves.
ben_vulpes: ahaha i am so dumb.
ben_vulpes: i actually did not notice this.
ben_vulpes: the irc "logic" is mind-numbingly dumb
ben_vulpes: oh, you want to see debug.log
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pardon?
ben_vulpes: COWER CITIZENS
ben_vulpes: ALL SOFTWARE IS CRIMEWARE
ben_vulpes: i dunno man i just like reading a bunch of different approaches
ben_vulpes: that one on the list?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sorry, unclear. scripts for crawling/pinging nodes.
ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
ben_vulpes: mod6: ya, tis ubuntu
ben_vulpes: mod6: everything up through thermonyuuke
ben_vulpes: now i have to load the IRC protocol up into my head to figure out precisely how it's derivsupposed to turn IRC connections into peers
ben_vulpes: on the topic of the cost of complexity tossed in because someone doesn't understand things
ben_vulpes: BIG MISTAKE
ben_vulpes: reasoning about software?
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to reason about it first.
ben_vulpes: not much useful. standard boot up and then silence.
ben_vulpes: anyways these newly muntzed nodes dun wanna connect to anything off of irc
ben_vulpes: "what could go wrong"
ben_vulpes: who /is/ running a public node?
ben_vulpes: heh - onlytruecars.com does redirect shenanigans
ben_vulpes: pretty
ben_vulpes: yeah, i was looking at that.
ben_vulpes: unless you're making a sophisticated joke about horsepower and snipping arbitrary cables...
ben_vulpes: either way, no
ben_vulpes: muntz the car brand or muntz the guy who made TVs?
ben_vulpes: the most elaborate programming exercise - write something world-changing in a style nobody would ever attribute to you
ben_vulpes: does argue for a rather sophisticated greybeard
ben_vulpes: okay okay
ben_vulpes: M-x gdb
ben_vulpes: exercise*
ben_vulpes: e for student
ben_vulpes: poor, poor you
ben_vulpes: poor old man
ben_vulpes: it's almost convincing
ben_vulpes: targeting windows
ben_vulpes: old ms-dos cli flags
ben_vulpes: visual basic
ben_vulpes: it is so complete
ben_vulpes: the cover
ben_vulpes: !down SuchWow
ben_vulpes: oh fuck off
ben_vulpes: but it's hard to write well wearing asbestos gloves.
ben_vulpes: i'm getting lazy with pronouns.
ben_vulpes: i feel hoodwinked.
ben_vulpes: this was a deliberately orchestrated event!
ben_vulpes: you were keeping track?
ben_vulpes: ah CAddrDB("cr+").LoadAddresses(); i missed you
ben_vulpes: weep for me
ben_vulpes: it almost looks normal now
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what!?
ben_vulpes: repeat!
ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets aka bitcoin doomsday cult
ben_vulpes chants "hash by hand. hash by hand."
ben_vulpes: we'll get to see btc users go to town on china
ben_vulpes: naw it'll be great SuchWow
ben_vulpes: by the time the usg realizes that there's a btc-shaped train headed its way it will be too late for it to do anything.
ben_vulpes: who cares
ben_vulpes: deedbot lol
ben_vulpes: SuchWow: you volunteering to summarize the court's proceedings?
ben_vulpes: !s cusipzzz
ben_vulpes: we're still regaling you with our victories
ben_vulpes: don't go!
ben_vulpes: oh yeah mp lost the berkshire bet
ben_vulpes: of like
ben_vulpes: no man i have this remembory
ben_vulpes: aha zing
ben_vulpes: and i guess is deedbot new since you last were here?
ben_vulpes: oh but we have a new rss bot that's new
ben_vulpes: bitbet just lost a few months of profit
ben_vulpes: boost is all fucked up
ben_vulpes: "grumpy" i'd say
ben_vulpes: oh that
ben_vulpes: try again in six months?
ben_vulpes: aw what a shame.
ben_vulpes: not really - who are you?
ben_vulpes: lighten up
ben_vulpes: but i'm retarded so
ben_vulpes: i tried to short it once
ben_vulpes: SuchWow: yeah who are you actually
ben_vulpes: you're not anyone, how could you be involved with anything...
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "i thought i killed it a year ago!"
ben_vulpes: winding up altcoiners, today
ben_vulpes: we're all complicit in the altcoin pump and dump nao!
ben_vulpes: we all do is the funny part
ben_vulpes: mhhhhhhhm
ben_vulpes: > doesn't bother me
ben_vulpes: > ur bullshit
ben_vulpes: heh. but you're here! who could resist taking a shot!
ben_vulpes: big whoop.
ben_vulpes: altcoins are retarded, you're going to get prodded when you show up here pumping them.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'twas
ben_vulpes: da woist
ben_vulpes: i know
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0RT585M.txt << still getting calls to getaddrinfo it looks like
ben_vulpes: although i did get a claim yesterday...
ben_vulpes: much less time for games...
ben_vulpes: i don't even have any items in eulora yet
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, decimation, trinque and any other c-grammers
ben_vulpes: lurvely.
ben_vulpes: is this ThreadSocketHandler -> ThreadSocketHandler2 pattern common in c++ multithreaded proggies?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170756 << yes << mircea_popescu asciilifeform plz foar to fight
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170737 << does ben_vulpes write single-threaded net proggies often ? << ima sheep, but i was just thinking that spinning off a whole new thread to flush the db and sleep for half a second was a bit heavy handed.
ben_vulpes digs asbestos gloves out of the closet
ben_vulpes pulls on galoshes over waders
ben_vulpes pulls on waders
ben_vulpes: is today the day we vendor gcc?
ben_vulpes: if that works the way you say it works that's more implicit than rails
ben_vulpes: hey look! pits!
ben_vulpes: and that method call any() looks like..."any"
ben_vulpes: dun see how the test value gets passed to the function invocations
ben_vulpes: that's som implicit ass semantics if that's how shit's actually workgin
ben_vulpes: which numeric value? i read " if flag is passed, accept requests from any ipv4 addr. else, only accept connections on the loopback interface"
ben_vulpes: asio::ip::address_v4::any() << looks wide ope to me
ben_vulpes: am i off my rocker?
ben_vulpes: = (test) ? (val if test returns true) : (val if test returns false)
ben_vulpes: well i'm reading that as a ternary operator
ben_vulpes not actually testing this tonight, just reading code
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
ben_vulpes: does anyone recall where the (brief) thread on replacing rpc with signals went?
ben_vulpes: heh, mebbe in that i've worn her in a bit now.
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a good reason why bitcoind had to be a multithreaded proggy?
ben_vulpes: do we even know that that part of the wire protocol is his handiwork?
ben_vulpes: or the bravely foolish.
ben_vulpes: i can't words good today.
ben_vulpes: subtle subtle subtle subtle
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it's a subtle kind of malevolence wherein needless complexity is all of a sudden necessary because of a subtle misunderstanding of the bedrock
ben_vulpes: but whaddoino
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#0395 << this implies the connection isn't dependent on the broadcasted IP at all
ben_vulpes: why not just talk on the open connection?
ben_vulpes: b-b-but that's insane
ben_vulpes: what do you mean "answer": attempt to talk to the provided IP instead of the connection abstraction provided by the machine?
ben_vulpes: myes, i see that. what i'm not 100% on is the impact to the receiving node of having garbage in that field.
ben_vulpes: i'm rusty on this particular bit of logic
ben_vulpes: i might be colossally retarded this is always possible
ben_vulpes: packet*
ben_vulpes: by virtue of the socket being opened, the receiving node should be able to just write to that (file descriptor, i think is the abstraction?) and let the NIC handle the package addressing - correct?
ben_vulpes: no, no b.
ben_vulpes: a) how is this an actually necessary thing
ben_vulpes: myeah this gets back to my question about the necessity of the IP address in the protocol.
ben_vulpes: more vendored dependencies!
ben_vulpes: aha well i'll be testing it on my own checkbook's back anyways
ben_vulpes: mod6: i think the ask is for a long-running public node.
ben_vulpes: rechristen la serenissima's bitcoin host as the bitcoin foundation?
ben_vulpes: the rechristening
ben_vulpes: eh, pardon?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if you're willing to donate the cost, why not run it through the bitcoin host?
ben_vulpes: ooh fuzzing
ben_vulpes: wouldn't be the foundation mircea_popescu so much as my personal account
ben_vulpes has lost track of all the zappings from unexpectedly electrified...trees
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> yes, it is better to be smart and active than it is to be stupid and active. << balanced against that "impotent activity"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> !up ben_vulp` << 'tis the french pronounciation
ben_vulpes: oh because a wallet is really a collection of the inputs that a key or set of keys can sign on and so a 'wallet' in the satoshi client parlance is actually not back=up-able if in use?
ben_vulpes: wai wut how do they not break backups.
ben_vulpes: moreover, what all is in this list of 'must be done'?
ben_vulpes: i suppose you'd have us leave testnet in as well
ben_vulpes: is the incurred complexity needed?
ben_vulpes: re: accounts thread and data structures, this imho is why the change addr behavior mneeds a zappin
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: what kind of braindamage are youdealing with oday?
ben_vulpes: (ip passing, i mean to say)
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html << ah it warms my heart. as an aside, is theshooping in the message protocol actually necessary for anything?
ben_vulpes: most recently, boost failed to install because its html document rendering facility was b0rked in ubuntu somewhere and the whole thing fell over
ben_vulpes: i'm still working to get the damn thing to build on ubuntu
ben_vulpes: noted
ben_vulpes: what is it? great artists steal?
ben_vulpes: s/without/before
ben_vulpes: can't read whole log without responding
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> also the gurl has valuable illiquid asset. << not so valuable if illiquid
ben_vulpes: or yessterday or something?
ben_vulpes: aha is midnightmagic derping on about things beyond his ken today?
ben_vulpes: hey, the tradetalk's back!
ben_vulpes: orbital body
ben_vulpes: i've seen a bit more of the same lately.
ben_vulpes: hamityvill horror
ben_vulpes: hamrock trapped in a hamity well
ben_vulpes: hamplanetoid
ben_vulpes: what hardware an i use to capture that, though? i'm blocked on true serial capture until i procure a device that has true serial in
ben_vulpes: sorry, analog-digital capture
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: need a digital-analog capture story
ben_vulpes: 'something jimmies' < hyu
ben_vulpes: and the people have such cool hair!
ben_vulpes: so friendly!
ben_vulpes: and django does so much thinking for me!
ben_vulpes: math is hard
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