mod6: i think it could be pretty neat, in the end.
mod6: eh, sorry: does the idea of a flashable universe built from rotor still make sense.
mod6: does anyone else think that this is *not* a decent consideration at least? even taking into consideration the issues we ran into with pogo?
asciilifeform: i promise to say if i ever manage to cleave these.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing converges if the path to convergence is expensive.
mod6: sure, the whole: 1, 2, inf. problem.
mircea_popescu: understand mod6 : the thing that scared me above isnm't per se the fact that now we need 4, but that well... it grew. might be we're sitting on some unbounded complexity / a loose recursion tail.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's my motherfucking tx debugger
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you added tinyscheme to have sexpr rather than json, and now you telnet into scheme ?
asciilifeform: so you can meaningfully probe the living trb
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i got it to compile ages ago, the tricky bit is to add useful tendrils into it
mircea_popescu: mod6 in the end we'll need a v thread for the source, one for the manual, one for linux make one for bsd make etc ? like 4 ?
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:15:49; mircea_popescu: dude speaking of "provability" bs. FSB are "provably secure" because it can be proven they're at least as hard as regular syndrome decoding. which is np complete. while we don't actually know if THAT is in fact resolvable in polynomial time or not, nevertheless... PROVEDLY SECURE!!11
mod6: yeah, for now. seems the most viable approach.
mircea_popescu: so basically my tentative takeaway here is that we'll mostly try to maintain broad linux-compatibility and try and help interested parties keep the wheels oiled and turning on stuff like bsd.
asciilifeform: polarbeard: or go to school, if you're the sort of person who goes in for that
mircea_popescu: (or from a security perspective, esp the cpu and memory)
mircea_popescu: polarbeard most of those will have to be written de novo, basically. esp the filesystem.
polarbeard: how do you talk with the cpu, memory, network, disk?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i guess most of the problem comes from that chasm. we're not the first to meet it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bsd is retarded from the linux pov (or, if you're a bsd aficionado, vice-versa)
mircea_popescu: mod6 this i called the "pogo" approach to it.
asciilifeform: the actual speed penalty of vmization is perhaps 10%
polarbeard: bitcoinos would be based on what? I think that's the interesting part
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is ifdefs REALLY the only way to do this ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 here's the problem with "Bitcoinos" : you will want it adapted for bitcoin needs, which necessarily means it won't be your tool of choice for doing almost anything else, which necessarily means maintaining it will be a pain in the ass. << agree. I think that what I'm getting at is maybe it ends up being like cisco ios.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not if it gangrenes the code with #ifdefs.
asciilifeform: the way i presently run msdos.
asciilifeform: perfectly happy to run it in vm on them, if it comes to it
mircea_popescu: so you want to not be able to run bitcoin on them ?
asciilifeform: that was not the point.
adlai: mircea_popescu: ever heard of 4th gen ATMs? (not the kind that gets skimmed)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
asciilifeform: that are not fit for any other purpose
mircea_popescu: see, that';s thje bitch here : missile guidance has to be on missile and there only. there's no benefit from it running on jane's computor.
asciilifeform: i already have this choice with many other things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this faces you with the unpleasant choice of whether to not play tetris or not run bitcoin on your homebox.
mircea_popescu: mod6 here's the problem with "Bitcoinos" : you will want it adapted for bitcoin needs, which necessarily means it won't be your tool of choice for doing almost anything else, which necessarily means maintaining it will be a pain in the ass.
adlai: the general goals being - get the data in there, as cheaply as possible, without same standards as http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 and some reasonable method to random-access without having to reconstruct the entire turd
mod6: i guess my thought is, if we wanna make bitcoinos - we will end up forking either SVR4 or BSD, and then getting married.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah the part where your otherwise reasonable idea breaks down is where deedbot is not really a webservice
adlai notes that a) archive.is works for backup b) deedbot provides verification alone c) the blockchain works for paranoid-max backup, if you pay your way
BingoBoingo: In case the documents get "Oberlin'd"
BingoBoingo: If reddit is to be denied links so ought they.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo srsly why are you putting your uni library in the deedbot.
asciilifeform: if somebody wants to maintain a parallel universe 'v' et al where the bsd flags make it go, i will take off my hat to them.
mircea_popescu: and so then bsd support, like windows or crapple support, would be a bolt-on ?
mircea_popescu: "bitcoinos" is a symbol here. may mean linux, whatever the fuck it means.
asciilifeform: build the linux variant ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if someone has a box that they're using, they can't run a bitcoin node there unless they run it under bitcoinos ?
asciilifeform: to which i say that it is braindamaged to expect the thing to build on arbitrary crud os
asciilifeform: or hm, looks like userland caltrops prevent even v from running there
asciilifeform: builds ~on~ whatever the fuck you like
mircea_popescu: so then the model here is to have fundamentally speaking a pogo/arm-ish level bitcoind/os, that doesn't really natively build on anything without a laundry list of finicking ?
mircea_popescu: but if bitcoin can not be run there... well...
mircea_popescu: obviously, as a general thing, people MIGHT consider running a bitcoin node on any box they run.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform logically : a) you won't want to ssh into the node and do your bash there (providing it even has ssh). this means you'll be stuck using something else on top of bitcoin-os.
pete_dushenski: my apologies for the linkspam interruption
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the first time so far it occurs to me we might be setting ourselves up for failure here. because of this support / os issue.
adlai: pete_dushenski: more helpful to say where you encountered the deadlink :)
mircea_popescu: the problem with that is that well... nobody'd want to bash in bitcoinos. so we'll end up with a very strange catamaran of a stack.
pete_dushenski: in related news, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html is a dead link
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pete_dushenski: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/users/2016/01/vr_porn_is_here_does_virtual_sex_really_feel_real.html?curator=MediaREDEF <-- same 'amanda hess' chica as --> http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/18/you-need-an-ambien-to-sleep-because-you-bought-the-trappings-of-power-instead-of-the-real-thing/
mircea_popescu: mod6 thinking about this, the problem slowly becomes that not only does bitcoin gravitate towards bitcoinos, but it puts some serious problems to any attempt at wide support.
mod6: because they can not use buildroot... at least, I don't *think* they can, easily at lesat. they could turn on Linux Binary Comapt mode and perhaps some other kernel tweeks. would need to be looked a.t.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so basically we can't use our convenient makefiles to build the pressed source ; openbsd people gotta finagle their own build chain to get the same source to compile and link ? << and further more, they'll never have the same build process like we want.
adlai notes that the three laws are phrased as guidelines for builders, rather than code for execution
mod6: so a minor annoyance there. but alas.
mircea_popescu: so basically, this should prolly be on the wiki or what.
mod6: this is because BSD's sha/md commands spit out the digests in different way than on linux.
pete_dushenski: https://medium.com/@wob/the-sad-state-of-web-development-1603a861d29f#.b8m91c8mi << nyooz at 11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct, they are entirely different processes with just enough superficially in common to lead n00bz to conceptual perdition
mod6: and further, the changes that we wanted to make with V (where we mechanically check to see the patch was applied correctly by checking the hashes) also will not work on bsd unless a bunch more alterations are made, but this is a side issue.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it'd be a horrid mistake to try and merge the notion of a press and the notion of a makefile.
asciilifeform: just like the nintendo port.
mircea_popescu: mod6 so basically we can't use our convenient makefiles to build the pressed source ; openbsd people gotta finagle their own build chain to get the same source to compile and link ?
mod6: however, if he and I work together, we could possibly get some patches in place that would check to see what the local environment is and if __BSD__, then apply, otherwise, do not.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 01:49:23; ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND the inclusion of teachers and educators with auditory and relative business skills pertaining to contemporary Black musical styles." << relative business skills? what are those
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383495 << rap "industree" is dead in the water so all the wanna-be succeeders at "the game" want federal dollars to prop up their delusion.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383446 << wait, explain this to me ? << the idea is that our makefiles, or whatever build scripts will utilize V to build inside of the rotor (a linux thing) - the source must be compatable with that. phf's openbsd scripts are not compatible with this.
asciilifeform: but we ~might~ be the first people who won't tolerate pestilential #ifdefs OR duplicate trees for it
mircea_popescu: we can't be the first people doing a multi-platform release.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
mircea_popescu: you mean the girl is fat ?
funkenstein_: ben_vulpes thanks for lulz of the day :)
mircea_popescu: in the same news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/55410531c948328ed44c62d2ada58609/tumblr_myt1r9blgZ1suzvb1o1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: "the immediate implementation of a free bussing system"
ben_vulpes: DEMAND immediate firing of: ... Gerri Johnson...for their rude behavior towards Black Students
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that the workload given to employees be reflective of their abilities...should not be given a workload that they cannot handle."
asciilifeform: what kind of crackpot revolutionaries are these
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that each worker, temporary or permanent working for the College Dining Hall Services be given a meal every work shift"
ben_vulpes: that /is/ the demand.
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that Black student leaders be provided a[n] $8.20/hr stipend for their continuous organizing efforts around the well[-]being of Black people on Oberlin's campus, city and beyond" << man that is some low-dough shit
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you laugh, but THAT was how we got xyz-studies in the '70s usa
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuTHee )
polarbeard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381219 << It turns out shitty rotation is there: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0771
ben_vulpes: their coursework."
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that a mandatory professional development program be developed for faculty across departments in the College & Conservatory that will help facilitate their udnerstanding of the ways in which racial capitalism, settler colonialism, and other forms of violent oppression inform and shape instructional methods for the disciplinary content of their courses. We further DEMAND that the content of this information be integrated in
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND a change in the fundamental ways that we asses knowledge at this institution, starting with a student evaluation of the effectiveness of the grading system. We will have oversight over the results of that evaluation. If the results state that the grading system is not reflective of this institution's student body, we DEMAND an immediate change of that grading system."
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND an online database that outlines the deadlines, dates, and forms critical for the successful academic journey of Black students" because we can't be arsed to figure it out ourselves, read syllabi when they're handed out or at all, and because of course knowing to do all of the above is something we were not prepared for in life and this must be rectified at the expense of everyone else attending the school.
adlai: tis the new AD[h]D
ben_vulpes: also looks like the storied Oberlin conservatory is about to turn into Rap Kollege
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND the inclusion of teachers and educators with auditory and relative business skills pertaining to contemporary Black musical styles." << relative business skills? what are those
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Money, Trust, and the Wild Wild Web (A socioeconomic history of that SSL, or that green lock symbol in your browser) - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/01/23_money-trust-and-the-wild-wild-web-a-socioeconomic-history-of-that-ssl-or-that-green-lock-symbol-in-your-browser.html
shinohai: i just have it cat the latest blkxxx.dat over once every 12 hours.
mod6: you're just using it as a storage bin for the time being?
mod6: anyway, getting a buildable openbsd is a priority of mine. there are just bigger things in front of that for the moment.
mod6: having an alternate to linux is important to me. and i was able to build a static binary, but obviously this doesn't work with the rotor (linux only buildroot). i did build it with the stator.
mod6: yeah, i think i need to walk you through the exact steps. i did get it to build, and fully sync a chain even. was very happy about that.
ben_vulpes: fwiw i completely failed to get the openbsd patch to work.
mod6: so either, we need a separate repository for openbsd patches (not a bad idea), or we should just put the new openbsd vpatch in the mailing list for those who need it -- let them just add it to their V 'patches' directoriy by hand
mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
mod6: phf: your patch(s) did work for me on openbsd. i think, once we have all of trinque's makefiles ready to go with the new (forthcoming) version of V, you and I should work together to get a new vpatch of your openbsd changes submitted.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i swear that i'm referencing something mircea_popescu said with that line, but i'll be damned if i can find the original.
ben_vulpes: i'd have probably done something ham-handed and just set the order for the given flag, which would be a bigger change to life-fire use than i think would be warranted.
ben_vulpes: 'tis a very surgical strike, if i'm reading correctly. only if the flag is set and the sig does not bear the correct order is order enforced.
assbot: Lesson learned from the Classic coup attempt or why Core needs to prepare a GPU only PoW — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZJOJ2X )
phf: fwiw openbsd didn't make it through v-ification either, it was designed to work cross platform, but i believe there were makefile modifications since, that didn't include it. i don't actively run openbsd, so can't integration test the result
phf: i can bring it forward, it wasn't included in the v release, nor did anybody ask about it, so i assumed it's not needed
mircea_popescu: hanbot should be universal. if i find any thing worse than in the time of the predecessors i'm bringing out the machine guns and fire throwers as a matter of principle. and i want the skies bathed in the screams of the innocent and the blood of gutted babes, also as a matter of principle.
phf: so only thing i did with timestamps in logs is add milliseconds to the log printer (to add necessary precisions to graphs). i'm pretty sure i discovered that blockchain height served as well in my case (produced similar shapes with none of the "laptop went to sleep" noise), but i was looking specifically at the number of block send/recv retries
mircea_popescu: well, "my son, we're bums but you'll inherit all of it" sorta degree. no loss in quality of life there.
mircea_popescu: ie, much easier to "deny benefits to outsiders" when nobody wants the benefits you offer.
hanbot: admittedly i was looking moar at the "quality of life" bit
mircea_popescu: sure. on the scale of sovereignity north korea is doing pretty well, too bad they're stupid.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> me: 'the measure of a state's sovereignty and quality of life therein is the degree to which it can deny benefits to outsiders' << certainly works to "why is B,TMSR~ superior to USG and necessarily a replacement thereof". << to borrow a recent parallel from copypaste, couldn't the same be said of best korea?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nevertheless, bear in mind that there is a catastrophic difference between "derp needing" and "dude trying to contribute".
mircea_popescu: me: 'the measure of a state's sovereignty and quality of life therein is the degree to which it can deny benefits to outsiders' << certainly works to "why is B,TMSR~ superior to USG and necessarily a replacement thereof".
mircea_popescu: or, alternatively, they could be just left to do what they do, which is both cheaper and conceptually cleaner.
mircea_popescu: "These yuppie blockbuster musicians, who think they can save those who hate them and put their women and children in danger to assuage their own misplaced feminist guilt and world-saving bitch complex, should be staked out, skinned, have their eyelids pinned back, and left for the crows."
mircea_popescu: ecked me, kicked the hell out of my head (concussion and bleeding). I was very lucky. "
mircea_popescu: "I recently moved to the Pacific Northwest from Baltimore. What partly impelled the move was being beaten up by a black guy who I had grappled with and held down after he was chasing his girlfriend with a baseball bat. His GF and another woman went nuts, beating me as he and I grappled on the ground with me holding the bat with both arms. To shut them up, I stupidly rolled the bat away and let him get up. He promptly d
mircea_popescu: "The gang's downfall came when Aaron Shane Murphy and Uzair Patel, both 29, were stopped by police in a taxi in Newham in June 2015."
mircea_popescu: "NervousNorbert [score hidden] 4 hours ago Consensus on increasing the maximum participant limit was not reached." << ahahaha top keks.
jurov: <asciilifeform> if i had an account, i'd buy it off him ! << iirc the person that holds your coins, does have an account? just ash zer to place teh order.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> bbbut what if spinnin' round & round, 'fooor piglet' << i imagine you're exactly on the mark. cartoon army, designing weapons for cartoon usage.
jurov: mats, guess what was the ipo price?
jurov: may they serve you well
ben_vulpes: at the bell even
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc you were there
mats: i don't make the rules, man
ben_vulpes: what, but the complexity of stack randomization /is/?!
mats: but the complexity it adds, usually isn't worth it
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 15:24:17; thestringpuller: LOL >> "Don't forget Mr Popescu, who loves to harp on about how Bitcoin is not for the unwashed masses, just two weeks ago had a hugely embarrassing fiasco where he revealed he hadn't the faintest idea how Bitcoin transactions work.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379720 << surprisingly close read of the logs by...whom now?
mircea_popescu: save on the heat.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like every civilised everyone everwhere. aim the first.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they removed the 3-round burst thing that was put in instead of auto in the '90s
mircea_popescu: shoot yourself and be done with the misery, i guess.
mats: although the effect is psychological and may not work against a trained enemy
mircea_popescu: what the fuck are you going to do with a pos hot rifle that only fires full auto in the remains of a town ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but ONLY full auto means you can't do most of the things you actually want to do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: full auto is for suppressive fire, just needs to go in the general direction of the enemy, nein ?
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 20:44:26; asciilifeform: mats: was there ever a real rationale for the 3-round burst thing at all ?
mircea_popescu: oddly related to the saw thing.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 20:39:46; mats: i learned today that the 82nd recently retrofitted their M4s to full auto
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 20:35:44; ben_vulpes: punkman: they're fighting him because he kicked their ass on the licensing front
asciilifeform just finished transplanting the switch under 'printscreen' to under spacebar
mircea_popescu: consider : "so we'll have 3500% inflation over the next 25 years." "wait, that coems to ONLY 15% a year ? TOO SMALL!!1"
mircea_popescu: well yeah. any sort of longer stretch is either inacceptably unprogressive or outright ridiculous.
asciilifeform: one wonders, why not 'the next twenty-five thousand years'
BingoBoingo: It's Oberlin though so they've been enabling this shit for decades
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol whence the spunk ? blackdemandsmatter!
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 19:47:00; ben_vulpes: that starts up, shits 40gb of files to disk immediately while importing the classic 'iphoto' library, and has now been spinning on the import for 2 straight days now.
BingoBoingo: of a program to enroll recently released prisoners from a nearby prison as undergraduates, divestment from Israel, and a requirement that black student leaders be paid $8.20 an hour for their organizing efforts."
BingoBoingo: "The 14-page list of demands at Oberlin was detailed and contained many controversial items. Among other things, it demanded the immediate firing of some Oberlin employees, the immediate tenuring of some faculty members, specific curricular changes, a review and possible revision of the grading system (to be overseen by students), the creation of "safe spaces" for black students in at least three buildings on campus, the creation
mats: i feel bad for the pizza guy that has to drive here in 45 mins
ben_vulpes: ty thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--zRrZQ14Y--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/klka9zgkgsp0qhksprw8.jpg << US cops now doing the stupid "gansta grip"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you will have to unearth the thing yourself
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:12:37; asciilifeform: and even not considering this absurdity, you would have same problem as vasectomy patient (the sperm gets reabsorbed and your immune system begins to generate antibodies against it. with bonus measurable extra risk of alzheimer's)
BingoBoingo: "When one boy snarled she should go back to India, she told him that under his argument he should go back to Africa. That cost her a disciplinary inquiry for 'racism'. She was also hauled in for suspected 'racism' when she used the technical term "negate" in her class -- and a black girl took it as an epithet and brought her hell-raising mother to school to confront her in the principal's office. "
assbot: Articles: Sympathy for the Devil... But None for White Victims of Violence ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbGmwp )
BingoBoingo: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/sympathy_for_the_devil_but_none_for_white_victims_of_violence.html#ixzz3y5ORkdBG
BingoBoingo: For a while many of the fine mail order retailers of 'Murica actually marketed many of these museum weapons in their pages. Most have moved on from that though.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383023 << Here horse is most privileged. Permitted on sidewalk, bike lanes, and road proper. Only limit on their popularity is pooper scooper laws.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:12:25; mircea_popescu: anyway, my idea was originalyl that it's a collaborative tool par excellence. girls better support each other's back, lest they fall in.
BingoBoingo: The one who came with various promises of toil so can eat while hodl
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not Robert V, The ragnar dude
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reading the log i posted as his rating was not enough ?
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382941 << I have no recollection of what it was that flipped that paranoia switches when he was PM'ing me drunk, sober reading the logs unrevealing, but I am now very glad that breaker flipped.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 17:52:11; mircea_popescu: re BingoBoingo 's https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/808993/4006420 << check out the ugly head of puritanism rearing its head yet again. "if i don't enjoy anything in the world i will surely be spared doom!!1". nothing's quite as resilient as idiocy.
mats: and traditionally folks are taught that suppressive fire is for the SAW gunner
punkman: what's with the pharma spam in that article
asciilifeform: i found it a puzzling thing, esp. given as nato world uses professional soldiers rather than orcish conscripts, the latter presumably cannot be trained to let go of the trigger
asciilifeform: mats: i was asking about the 3-round limit
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 14:31:04; mircea_popescu: well yes. 39 is the old ak/sks russian thing. nato has a bigger one.
asciilifeform: and when the whole industry, predictably, tried to push back, 'oh noez they WANT your fingers chopped!1111'
ben_vulpes: shinohai: i'd rather lose a blade than a finger.
punkman: blade". PTI says "its member companies have received no reports of injuries on [the 750,000] table saws with the new guard design.""
punkman: "The PTI objects to the licensing necessary due to the "more than 50 patents" related to SawStop's braking system; such costs "would destroy the market for the cheapest, most popular saws, adding $100 or more to the price of consumer models that typically sell for less than $200." In response, their members developed "new plastic guards to shield table saw users from the dangers of a spinning
punkman: "In April 2008 they told Congress that SawStop's braking system is: dangerous because it requires the user to come in contact with the blade before activating; unproven, particularly in terms of durability; prone to false trips caused by commonly available wet and green wood; potentially vulnerable to latent damage that cannot be inspected and may cause a hazard; costly to the user because once
punkman: "SawStop has provoked opposition from the Power Tool Institute (PTI), which represents Black & Decker, Hilti, Hitachi Koki, Makita, Metabo, Bosch, Techtronic Industries and WMH Tool Group."
ben_vulpes: mostly because the shaper is a 5hp terror of cutter-face that'll make you think seven times before even beginning to cut, whereas your friend's table saw doesn't have the sawstop that your *other* idiot friend bought.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:06:52; thestringpuller: "When you handle the master carpenter's tools, chances are that you'll cut your hand."
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382890 << you are actually far more likely to lose a hand on the table saw your friend keeps in the garage that he doesn't know how to teach you to use than planing something flat on the master's shaper.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 17:49:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382830 << not so. the first step of work is cleaning out the workspace. it is the work of truly inept management to impede on this "because it does not directly contribute to productivity"
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382860 << recurring thread at $shop: encourage people to customize for personal ergonomics and efficiency or attempt to cultivate a standard environment for ease of collaboration on each other's devices?
ben_vulpes: on the flip side i do *not* store raw digital photos.
ben_vulpes: yes, i store the negatives, wtf with this printed photo nonsense.
ben_vulpes: would pull down the negative books from that era but they're in the family fire-proof safe
ben_vulpes: handy categorizer-of-photos-by-exif is probably the best justification for my continued use of it
ben_vulpes: iphoto i'm sure will eventually fall to quest of removing toilets from places they should not be
ben_vulpes: oh the tits
asciilifeform: nor the new ?
asciilifeform: perhaps because i did not use the old sack'o'garbage ?
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 19:47:00; ben_vulpes: that starts up, shits 40gb of files to disk immediately while importing the classic 'iphoto' library, and has now been spinning on the import for 2 straight days now.
ben_vulpes: huh shoulda fixed the date on that wotpost while i was at it
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: in the server room
deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] The measure of a state is its ability to deny benefits to outsiders - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/01/23_the-measure-of-a-state-is-its-ability-to-deny-benefits-to-outsiders.html
fluffypony: with the candlestick?
ben_vulpes: ah it was punkman with the logs
ben_vulpes: fuck these people.
ben_vulpes: that starts up, shits 40gb of files to disk immediately while importing the classic 'iphoto' library, and has now been spinning on the import for 2 straight days now.
ben_vulpes: in other apple nyooz, 'el capitan' ships with a new program 'photos'
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/853da9c157c3a3129d72bdf4892949fb/tumblr_mttcnr7D0x1sjgtlbo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: for the same deal you could just get a poor gf.
thestringpuller: For me I just have my own menu and tell chef "fix X here is money to go buy groceries. Don't get the cheap stuff."