mircea_popescu: a large stack of various items all designed to talk into the void. how is this a computer ?
mircea_popescu: and similarly no program replay and for the same reason etc.
mircea_popescu: the derps making osen treat the scrollback as a wholly separate, contextual-less buffer. it's not "what we just said to this guy"
mircea_popescu: fundamental problem in the design of systems, too.
mircea_popescu: "seriously, you can't repeat what you said to me ? slaves get caned for this!" "but but but mp, it is a computer, it can't save an infinity of stuff" "WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU MAKING A MACHINE SAY INFINITY OF STUFF TO ME" "well it's not really infinite, just..." "bring the cane"
mircea_popescu: the item figures prominently in my own mental list of nonsense ; that list is an essential part of why alf's raging against computing makes sense to me.
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mircea_popescu: aha. well the idea is - eaten too soon! :D
asciilifeform: but i get the idea
mircea_popescu: and re saltmarshes, the cannonical line being of course "Die Schweden die haben verflucht schlechtes Geld, wer weiß ob der Oestreicher besseres hält."
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it was in odessa too. kids tend to eat them - sour stuff, makes them sick.
mircea_popescu: nah, they're the fruits of a plum-like wild plum tree, grows everywhere the hasids go
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 14:27:50; mircea_popescu: and thinking about it on the way from bed to machine, because this idea woke me up : it seems deedbot and the ml management really should be merged. any conceivable reason patches can't be submitted via deedbot's mechanism ? not necessarily to remove the email feeding, but as an add-on ?
mircea_popescu: or, "people whose main impulse when confronted with an excuisite jeweled item is to rip out the jewels"
mircea_popescu: by and large, "people who do not feel comfortable living inside the wall".
mircea_popescu: i follow the palaiologos tradition. whereby the orcs are a slightly more complex thing.
asciilifeform: from pelevin's yarn, where the precisely 'sandvaginated' folk living in antigravity sphere called themselves 'human' and, derisively, the still healthy folk below on the ground, 'orcs'
asciilifeform: the orc-human border !
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the american hasids are a sort of jehova's witnesses in a slightly altered color scheme
asciilifeform: presumably his father being a physicist of some kind, in the secular world, would suggest 'damaged' hassid
mircea_popescu: and for the record : ACTUAL hasidic jews, as found strictly beyond the pale, were some of the more pleasant folk you coulde ever meet, and greatly informs my tolerance of jews, as well as the tolerance of everyone who's not born past the stupid women line in western europe.
asciilifeform: then i have nfi, i simply do not know enough about subj
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 07:13:19; ben_vulpes: punkman: by my read 'rebase' as mircea_popescu uses it means 'dump into the v tree'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390867 << no, i mean moving all stuff downsteream to depend on a' rather than a. this is rebasing the stuff downstream : from a base in a to a base in a'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't know they expel ru kids for that
asciilifeform remembers writing to yudkowsky in the late '90s, when both were harmless and penniless crackpots
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 06:54:12; ben_vulpes: http://www.northofreality.com/secrets/ << bit of a shame that aramcheck's not in the wot and on patreon, i like his weirdfic.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390849 << prolly should tell the man.
asciilifeform: good in the sense of refraining from creating monster
mircea_popescu: there can not be any good.
asciilifeform: why not put the money in a pyre and light it?
mircea_popescu: i mean that quite profoundly - thiel has seen the narrow horizon of the pen and contented himself that "this is everywhere".
mircea_popescu: java fucking appled NEVER DEMONSTRATED ANYTHING OMFG FUCK YOUR DUMB MOTHER WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S BROOMSTICK
asciilifeform: the mega-question is why thiel is paying him to do this 24/7
mircea_popescu: this is in fact how it works : we, aim to V the original lispworld. scum - aims to systemd wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: he's 2nd generation scum, aims to systemd the original scum.
asciilifeform: http://lesswrong.com/lw/p0/to_spread_science_keep_it_secret << one of these pieces by y
asciilifeform: the hilarious part is that y had a piece on ~this~ also
mircea_popescu: worst fucking idea in the history of ideas, if they just let jimbo fuck children until he fell over the world'd have been better off.
mircea_popescu: and it occurred to me while conducting fart ciclotron reactions in my spare time that there's nothing more dangerous than an idiot with a little knowledge
asciilifeform: y suffered from delusions of physics - he was 'raised for physics' by his father, but didn't make the cut, and never lived it down
mircea_popescu: THIS is the product of wikipedia. THIS AND ONLY THIS.
mircea_popescu: pretentious fuckwad / out of his weight ignoramus for the fucking win over here.
asciilifeform: though i don't know why he had to go for the condensate, ordinary water behaves in quite the same way
mircea_popescu: anyway, it occured to me while i was eating a niels bohr raisin cake (with little electron raisins floating in the batter) that this is how fucking spammers work, too. as discussed here a nujmber of times already.
mircea_popescu: how fortunate are we to have such bright minds around us. i gotta get myself one of them bose.
mircea_popescu: but the very grand intellectualistic value of someone who was watching einsten play out of his bose speakers in his spare time is well noted, of course.
mircea_popescu: "I was looking at a Java applet which demonstrates the use of evaporative cooling to form a Bose-Einstein condensate, when it occurred to me that another force entirely might operate to increase fanaticism. "
asciilifeform: and 'post on fb' to these benighted folk is same as voting in the obummer election, etc. - just 'something all civilized do' or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: so that what, the idiot fbheads can click the correct emotional response icon to help the evil ai segment them ?
asciilifeform: their cult has been 'evaporatively cooling' (y's own term!111) for ages.
mircea_popescu: about the dangers of evil ai ?
mircea_popescu: nono but the circumstances. he posted on fb ?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 14:48:21; mircea_popescu: http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-99/ << this guy is fucking epic lol. "go is gone. Yudkowsky sounds the alarm." and links a fb posting.
assbot: What is the Leyla Black ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPwdza )
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 06:49:42; ben_vulpes: what is "the leyla black"?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390848 << http://trilema.com/2016/what-is-the-leyla-black/
mircea_popescu: or to quote a purple prose producer of recent fame in my household, "Her silky smooth butt-crack was flawless, the only interruption along the length of it, was her pink, rosy butt-hole. Underneath her crack, were her fluffy, velvety beef curtains, just looking so, so scrumptious."
mircea_popescu: http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-99/ << this guy is fucking epic lol. "go is gone. Yudkowsky sounds the alarm." and links a fb posting.
punkman: making deeds with all the emails?
mircea_popescu: and thinking about it on the way from bed to machine, because this idea woke me up : it seems deedbot and the ml management really should be merged. any conceivable reason patches can't be submitted via deedbot's mechanism ? not necessarily to remove the email feeding, but as an add-on ?
mircea_popescu: ideally the result of a click should be a page including at least a) an enumerations of all the keys required to get there ; b) a script that will press to that particular height.
mircea_popescu: hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ?
jurov: eulora altclient is not exactly about "reverse engineering", but that the network protocol layer uses C++ primitives with liberally mixed preprocessor and templates
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 09:36:51; diana_coman: well, there is no hard requirement as such to have the client written in cpp; but it's true that it's quite a huge effort to make an alternative, sane client (for one thing, I'd love a text-only client for instance)
BingoBoingo: hand, he voted for change advanced by the Obama teams marketing "hopium" which resulted in him running in circles backwards in socio-economic terms."
BingoBoingo: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/330710-politics-america-hate-intolerance/ >> "In these times, the little guy cannot afford to pay rent on the trailer home, not to mention a bottle of brew. The little guy now possesses a large amount of anger about the political system that doesn't work for him, which shouldnt be surprising since he repeatedly voted against his own interests during the republican tenure. Or, on the other
jurov: that aside, there are completely different set of requirements, like, easy debugging. if lisp, then rather something with slime and good library bundled.
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: no hard requirement, sure, i just imagine that replacing the crystalspace client's going to be no small pile of reverse engineering. i say this knowing nothing about the cs server/client software relationship.
diana_coman: well, there is no hard requirement as such to have the client written in cpp; but it's true that it's quite a huge effort to make an alternative, sane client (for one thing, I'd love a text-only client for instance)
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: relevant barebones howto: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: i doubt you'll move the client away from cpp, but tinyscheme is a potential route to embedding scheme /in/ the existing client.
diana_coman: thanks ben_vulpes , I'll have a look; it's been ages since I last wrote anything in Scheme as such, but if there's a chance of moving the client away from cpp it's certainly worth having a look at
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ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << i swear i saw some mentione of this earlier but cannot find it now. for those playing along at home, the sig name for these patches that will please v.pl is <patchname>.vpatch.<signatory's_wot_handle>.asc
ben_vulpes: punkman: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html << in there
ben_vulpes: punkman: you could always contribute to b,tmsr's deficit by standing the jenkins instance up yourself.
ben_vulpes: scripting the whole process in the context of "continuous integration servers" is nifty, but finding the noob caltrops is also important.
ben_vulpes: dunno man i don't actually think it's of much value. having actual humans in the actual wot build things is much more important.
punkman: I'd help rig it up if the foundation so wishes
ben_vulpes: a full sync of each bitcoind produced by each patch sent to the ml
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html
ben_vulpes: v.lisp has just been languishing on the island of poorly written and embarassing software
ben_vulpes: i shut the jenkins down because full syncs of each patch was prohibitively resource and time intensive and parallelized poorly
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 18:41:43; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389596 << what would this be good for? you are welcome to sign + post the binaries to ml yourself
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390093 would provide hands-off testing to see whether your new patch compiles to different archs, with different libc, etc. think jenkins
ben_vulpes: probably any non-vpatch file'd do the trick.
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mod6 stick a random file with .html suffix in the patches dir to reproduce the stale gnupg dir big
ben_vulpes: this is probably a purposes and causes thing, huh. avoid working towards the purpose of usable software for other people, and proceed from the cause of "hell is other people's code"...
ben_vulpes: is everyone who hacks on this thing to write and use their own vtronic cockpit controls? or is the production of /a/ vtron usable in other contexts a goal?
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assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 20:20:44; ascii_butugychag: the reason why i once suggested breaking up all patches into atomic patchons is that right now we have a stricter than necessary dependency flow
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2016#1389213 << gotta figure out a way to minimize the re-grinding imho
ben_vulpes: well one is prefixed with the stupid unix hidden-file/dir period convention
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, while we're ripping the rug out from under mod6, is there a good reason to continue with the inconsistent directory structure of `./.seals' and `./patches'?
punkman: on second read I hope it just means mod6 would be busy doing other things
ben_vulpes goes digging through the gui for "never ever fucking toss my scrollback option"
ben_vulpes: but this fucking term just lost my motherfucking scrollback, because people reinventing wheels for os x have no historical context
pete_dushenski: oh hm. i dunno then. sorry
ben_vulpes: punkman: by my read 'rebase' as mircea_popescu uses it means 'dump into the v tree'
ben_vulpes: has anyone else noticed the following when using build-bitcoind-9999*K.sh?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:25:55; mircea_popescu: ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 18:26:28; jurov: <punkman> asciilifeform: there are more "server ARM" things coming out... << you really want like, 64 shitty cores on the workstation instead of 4x x86?
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390063 sure, if I can get low-power machine with ECC, I probably wouldn't mind the slower cores for most uses. These looked kinda neat http://www.tilera.com/products/?ezchip=585&spage=618
ben_vulpes: yo mod6 what does it mean in perl to do my $var = "string" . \n "otherstring" is the period a linebreak escape in perl, and the variable implicitly a concatenation of the two strings?
punkman: btw the ASUS KCMA-D8 port was offered for $15k, wonder who paid it https://www.mail-archive.com/coreboot@coreboot.org/msg45741.html
ben_vulpes: http://www.northofreality.com/secrets/ << bit of a shame that aramcheck's not in the wot and on patreon, i like his weirdfic.
ben_vulpes: what is "the leyla black"?
BingoBoingo: lol, yeah these thinks are kinda transient
mircea_popescu does the leyla black with new girls to this very day.
mircea_popescu: not really her retarded totemcash/loadedcash/twistys idiotic stuff. but she did some ok outdoor work back in the day.
mircea_popescu: in other news of similar weight and importance, leyla black was kinda hot a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: the consensus among kim kardashian, zsa zsa gabor, hussein bahamas and that guy from cheers is that a kilogram of feathers really should be lighter than a kilogram of derp entrails.
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck are kevin spacey and jimbo wales already.
BingoBoingo: In other Chiraqi news http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/obama-to-address-deeply-divided-illinois-legislature/article_10ce4082-8178-5fc9-92dd-d093852c661f.html
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <nubbins`> <+mircea_popescu> in other news, chick on okcupid : "porque no me escribis en castellano << they say castellano in peru too, but if i'm not mistaken this is not universal in south america?
mats: what the actual fuck fuck
mats: >The enthusiasm was in stark contrast to my next meeting meeting—with 60 CEO’s of big banks banks.
pete_dushenski: too busy buying and selling each other's homes
pete_dushenski: author is "Don Tapscott a best-selling author most recently The Digital Economy, Adjunct Professor at the Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto and the chancellor of Trent University."
pete_dushenski: quote via http://www.thestar.com/business/tech_news/2016/01/23/the-blockchain-big-opportunity-or-big-danger.html
pete_dushenski: "Then in Davos I joined people like Kevin Spacey, and Jimmy Wales (the founder of Wikipedia) on a panel talking about cyber-security. The general sense in the room is that a distributed, encrypted database like the blockchain could be key to creating a more secure computing environment and a more secure world." << now i get why reporters call ~me~ a "security expert", because motherfucking 60yo actors are sittin
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ipads that only boot iosx were playing the same game before that. mac desktops before that too.
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asciilifeform: iirc boards that will boot ~only~ winblowz 10 have already hit the shops.
asciilifeform: a mb maker is a lowly creature, sorta like a btc miner, follows where the wind blows.
asciilifeform: only to get negrated once they run out of g-series ? l0l
mircea_popescu: yeah, pcengines could alternatively get in the wot.
asciilifeform: they sell very similar items
asciilifeform: tyan is not on the list
asciilifeform: point being, there are not so many mb makers which ship full schematics.
pete_dushenski: not everything has to drill to the earth's core.
asciilifeform: their board isn't even SOLD with ANYTHING but coreboot (linuxbios)
asciilifeform: presently installing something quite like iridium toilet - slowly replacing the whole raid with ssd
asciilifeform: every so often, i go on a binge of installing gaskets, costly german fans, etc. but the result is always the same:
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is not silent at all, this is in the logs. and it drives me mad.
BingoBoingo: But no, the puppybowl has a surprisingly long history.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Prolly the later
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> wait shouldn't shiva 2 be restated instead ? << this is probably a better. and its not even in the mirror at this point anyway.
pete_dushenski: as played exclusively by the hippies that alf trips over at 'health food store'
BingoBoingo: "The fun doesn't stop at just watching the Puppy Bowl, though. Like in all sports now, fantasy Puppy Bowl is huge, and you can go to Animal Planet's website to draft your fantasy Puppy Bowl squad. You pick three dogs to go up against your friends. There's a scorecard and everything. I went on and drafted my team, and I think I have a strong chance to come out on top in Puppy Bowl fantasy. I mean, just look at this lineup. Bijoux,
BingoBoingo: Also in the things to yell at department http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/163163264/puppy-bowl-animal-planet-super-bowl
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why anyone'd keep locally a box they don't actually use to play games on, but hey.
asciilifeform: i'ma try & figure out why the version set thing doesn't go
mod6: since this one is new, and its not in a release, its not horrible. i'd prefer just to fix whatever might be wrong in there and resubmit & regrind high/low
mod6: we cant exactly rewrite history there.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> we did it for the db locks fix << this is fair. would have to had to regrind everything after last march :/
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i'd much prefer antimatter << this imho sets kindof an nasty precedent: just adding anitmatter patches, bloat for the tree. a hundred years from now there might be more anti-matter than matter patches!
mircea_popescu: we weren't smart back then.
asciilifeform: we did it for the db locks fix
mircea_popescu: also crucially evident why patches must be thematic.
mircea_popescu: everyone has to rebase and so will hate you if you make them do it.
mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally found the correct way to undo things.
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> ver 99999 is fine by me << yeah, this is fine. but the fact that it doesn't do what it should do isn't. i'll pull the patch tomorrow.
asciilifeform: likewise it appears that the shiva patch has an issue, you end up having to LC_ALL="C" ./bitcoind -shivainit=./shiva/init.scm -shiva getinfo
asciilifeform: would love to, but so far i do not understand why the setting mechanism does not work.
mircea_popescu: meh, how about fixing things rather than putting in and taking out.
asciilifeform: mod6: i officially pronounce the verstring patch to be buggy and unfit for inclusion in its present state
mircea_popescu: if they gotta drone it tho, it gets a lot worse.
mircea_popescu: i think that's undefined, in the general. in the narrow particular, iirc blackwater charges something like 1.2-1.5. depends on various factors, but thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: AND, to add to the list of wonders, all that growth is financed purely through unbacked deficit spending!
mircea_popescu: if you produce a mythical man-month's code for trb, that adds the accounting value of a man-month to the tmsr gdp whether you mean for it to or not.
mircea_popescu: apply common accounting standards to the work done, see what it adds up to.
mircea_popescu: so... glhf, but never in the history of sovereigns has there been such a wonder etc.
mircea_popescu: and by the looks of january, Q1 2016 might actually beat that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or the 21.co PiTaTo
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style << actually, best estimate i can get puts TMSR GDP growth for 2015 somewhere around 450-500%. that's not 4.5-5%. it's not 45-50% either.
BingoBoingo: You mean the Buttfurry double stack shipping container thing?
mircea_popescu: assbot> Networking Equipment Designated Weapon System | << speaking of which, i fully expect the first usg-designed bitcoin miners to be designated exactly that.
pete_dushenski: mod6: in other news, i can't seem to get -setvernum to work either? or how can I tell that it worked? << hm. has anyone actually used 'version-strings' in praxis ? seems like several failed attempts now.
phf: i have that patched gpgme version though, can always punt into the ugly land. i'm going to tackle diff first though, seems like a significant hole in my algo knowledge
asciilifeform: phf: no rsa in there. will have to write it.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Yeah, lots of interesting oddities came out to end the month.
asciilifeform: there is not.
phf: i'm curious if there's enough machinery in ironclad to give me support to do a pgp verify rewrite
phf: asciilifeform: you know just the right kind of questions to ask :)
phf: mod6: sorry, this is entirely a non issue, i'm debugging a pure lisp presser, i.e. parsing vpatch files and then doing in memory press. everything presses, but that one file has an extra newline
mod6: or even give a source file name, then output all the vpatches that touch it & their before & after hashes, or something.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style
mod6: so if ascii's V 'origin' command would take a hash as a parameter then show you the vpatch where it was touched, that would be helpful.
phf: i somehow have an extra newline there :o
phf: there is? :o i did shasum -a 512 -c foo.txt|grep -v OK where foo.txt is your dpaste and only headers is not giving me ok.
mod6: in other news, i can't seem to get -setvernum to work either? or how can I tell that it worked?
mircea_popescu: so, as they quite aptly say, it's a no brainer.
mircea_popescu: you get about 1 to 5% less mileage per barrel in the 2nd approach, as should be obvious. you neverthelss get 5x the "jobs" and 20 to 50x the imaginary industrial assets.
mircea_popescu: anyway. in no sense is ethanol LESS fuel intensive than gasoline. the alternatives are oil->refinery->gasoline for gasoline, or oil->refinery->chem feed->chem plant->fertilizer->farm->corn->ethanol plant->ethanol.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> so unless bitbet is now drafting and seeding their own proposals... << this isn't even new.
pete_dushenski: "The three vehicles averaged 1.5% lower mileage with E10, 2.2% lower mileage with E20, 5.1% lower mileage with E30" << from some study by the american coalition for ethanol.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Note the categories it was filed under
mircea_popescu: assbot> California Environmentalists Fight To Save Endangered Nuclear Plant <<< had to dbl take. then lulz floweth
pete_dushenski: do corn producers what to put their products everywhere and anywhere, from building materials to groceries ? ofc. but that has nothing to do with consumers.
pete_dushenski: ^from teddy cruz, who just lost alf's vote by the looks of it
pete_dushenski: "Because of this EPA wall, the market is currently dominated by low-level ethanol blends, such as “E10” (10 percent ethanol and 90 percent gasoline). That has prevented mid-level ethanol fuels, such as E25 or E30, from widely reaching American consumers. If allowed full market access, mid-level ethanol products like E25 or E30 could prove quite popular with American consumers, who are increasingly concerned
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Smaller house bet has alway gone to the person proposing the bet on BitBet
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Yww_nYuFA << and in other videos, why NOT put a wwi airship engine WITH 3`000 LB-FT OF TORQUE in a 1905 fiat isotta fraschini ? seems reasonable.
pete_dushenski: so unless bitbet is now drafting and seeding their own proposals...
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trinque-out: deedbot will be back later this evening. The DC neglected to turn the thing back on after SSD installation and I had to depart the keyboard. Meanwhile just send me anything that needs to go through and it'll happen tonight.
ascii_rear: the thing stretches and warps when you so much as fart on it.
ascii_rear: if BingoBoingo is thinking of the teflon tape used in plumbing, i can hardly imagine a worse punched ribbon
ascii_rear: ONE cd would handily hold the source to every public software package worth taking to mars with you.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:39:47; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390320 <<< it's a lot easier to pretend cds are the golden standard of archival while sitting on a flac collection safely kept on a rpm hdd.
ascii_rear: buildroot is one of those things that suck donkey corpse ballz but there is NO alternative to.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:25:55; mircea_popescu: ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own.
mod6: we need to focus on the makefiles & the release. meanwhile im sure theres a zillion other things.
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear do some other work for a while.
ascii_rear: next thing i will do, supposing that nobody else takes it up, is to make the mempool shiva-walkable
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so in this sense mod6 it has my imprimatur that bothering to grok it isn't a waste of your finite time. << yeah, agreed, Sir.
ascii_rear: keying crud manually into the repl shell suxxx
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear> can we at least have the option of loading from local dir instead of www ? <<< now that is a very good idea.
ascii_rear: it will rock especially hard when i get the emacsatron in (see slime thread)
mircea_popescu: so in this sense mod6 it has my imprimatur that bothering to grok it isn't a waste of your finite time.
BingoBoingo: ascii_rear: It's like a hard drive assembly line. Rather far from chip fab obstacles.
mod6: <+shinohai> ok mod6 test completed, did not have to set set the perl option before building << ok good deal, i assume that the PERL_MM_OPT thing is an evironment deal.
ascii_rear: trick is that they gotta be pressed aluminum
ascii_rear: and yes, the things fucking LAST
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ok mod6 test completed, did not have to set set the perl option before building
ascii_rear: nah the very same
mod6: but anyway, if we wanna stuff all of that stuff into shit as well, then we need to hack on buildroot to not rsync it -- now we've forked our own.
mod6: but then it pulls all kinds of stuff.