punkman: F must be lower than number of context lines, so F 3 should do the same as F 1000 in most cases :P
mircea_popescu: <polarbeard> that's it, I'm patching every .c on my disk together with F 1000 and compiling it << lmao. STONE SOUP!
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> my intent was that the user would include ALL of the leaves he is interested in by using a custom patch dir, and then press to the last. << this is not a bad approach (for dev work). i wouldn't want it in the press-for-deploy, but different story.
punkman: polarbeard: actually F0 didn't apply offset << it should, if you offset the code. but it must find the context verbatim
ascii_butugychag: so on top of it all... the behaviour isn't standard ?
polarbeard: that's it, I'm patching every .c on my disk together with F 1000 and compiling it
mod6: thats what i gather too.
ascii_butugychag: at least according to the man pages.
mod6: ascii_butugychag: hey, can you take a look at this? i pressed up to the vpatch in the flow before polars then.. manually patched with -F 0, but didn't seem to do anything:
ascii_butugychag: if i dump a credit card into my own 'paypal' input, they will dutifully tally it up and 'income'
ascii_butugychag: how are ~they~ to know where you got it.
ascii_butugychag: shinohai: that article is mega-unsurprising, coinbase is following 'letter of the law' in usa
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: ever use 'sam' (editor) ?
thestringpuller: ed is the best text editor ever invented.
ascii_butugychag: ~that way~ you will end with a press of the last makes-sense pressing !
ascii_butugychag: this would give you the entire tree as represented by your patches+seals+keys set.
ascii_butugychag: my intent was that the user would include ALL of the leaves he is interested in by using a custom patch dir, and then press to the last.
ascii_butugychag: (you could cut into the middle of a leaf set more or less alphabetically)
ascii_butugychag: if you press to genesis, you get the bitcoin we started with.
PeterL: ok, so what do I use as head? one of the leafs?
PeterL: (p | press) (<press_dir> <head>) << so I have to specify the genesis? what is head?
mod6: im testing the wrong fucking scalar in my condition :<
ascii_butugychag: mod6: i still see 'offset' in there?
mod6: when you press, if the hash of the pressed file doens't match the expected, it should die right then and there.
mod6: i know at one point i did negitive tests on this, but my problem in there is idiotic, i was not paying close enough attention
ascii_butugychag: my point was that there is not a special knob, you don't need it, your unix file system is the knob
mircea_popescu: the forget function is not implemented deliberately
mircea_popescu: <jurov> and my other question about maintaining A and A' in "mempool" ? << everything is in the mempool al ltime anyway.
ascii_butugychag: this is really the best way, imho
jurov: but the actual files must be renamed, no?
ascii_butugychag: jurov: A and A' are, if dropped in the hopper, equally legit pressings
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: at the same time ?!! why??
jurov: and my other question about maintaining A and A' in "mempool" ?
ascii_butugychag: (the entire file is its own identified)
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, to answer a question that jurov asked a while ago, it is not only possible to use an arbitrary hash function with v, but even, theoretically, to use none at all.
mircea_popescu: it's the "clever" one that takes 18bn loc
ascii_butugychag: v is simply a mathatron that deals in the basic operation h,s1,o,s2 where s1 and s2 are strings, h is an operation (usually a hash) for recognizing said strings via trapdoor, and o is a transform
mircea_popescu: welcome to the club polarbeard eh.
ascii_butugychag: in fact, the use of gnudiff/patch is really happenstance
ascii_butugychag: 'this patch applies IF THIS HASH otherwise FUCKOFF'
ascii_butugychag: gnupatch has 'fuzz' because... you never know whether the comments got regendered ? or what.
mircea_popescu: oh oh nm then.
ascii_butugychag: tries to make the patch fit
mircea_popescu: just you know, run a tail on the file. good enough
ascii_butugychag: tries to find a place where the context fits.
ascii_butugychag: reminds me of the circular connectors, with 100s of pins, that rockets had - in su they copied american plugs, yes; but they also had sergeants with hammers
mircea_popescu: then it wouldn't have had this problem :D
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu:, mod6: notice the '5 offset' ??
mod6: i've got some idiotic thing going on in there, looking now.
mod6: the output hashes of net.h/net.cpp/bitcoinrpc.cpp are not matching the vpatch at all, this should have died mid press.
ascii_butugychag: if same - then works
ascii_butugychag: mod6: you can give the green light to yourself, just vdiff the result of applying my two patches vs. the result of applying your unified.
mircea_popescu: creates thriving communities and supports the implicit "fragmentation=strength" properties of the wot something fierce.
mircea_popescu: anyway : this FORK BY DEFAULT!!11 tendency of the v world, whereby it takes serious work and generally http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/sea-otters.jpg to stay on the same branch is one of its best features imo.
mod6: before i re-grind this patch, im gonna look into V a bit while I wait for ascii to give me the green light on the other two reground from lastnight.
mircea_popescu: but as polarbeard among others can testify, this makes writing code fucking difficult, thanks god.
ascii_butugychag: but not the return code of patch -p0 < .... ?
mod6: it verifies the post press checksum.
ascii_butugychag: (also important to disable 'fuzziness' in the latter)
mircea_popescu: then again
mircea_popescu: because if i sign random shit that doesn't actually connect to the tree even if it claims to
mod6: no worries, they need to be re-ground, i'll work on that.
mircea_popescu: well yes because he never actually published them, ie, by sending to ml or w/e the process is.
mod6: and thats even with a full sync of the mirror as it exists up until this very minute.
jurov: but how do I add both A and A' into the repo without renaming?
ascii_butugychag: when there are two prongs of equal length
ascii_butugychag: imho any other definition is necessarily un-vtronic
jurov: and since everyone is regrinding patches right and left, maybe we'd like to revisit the notion of "obsoletes that other one"
ascii_butugychag: ty mod6. i'd like to note that in a time of 'fog of war', when some patch is up in the air, it is not necessary to hold off on ~all~ work, but only things which concern the affected subsystems.
mod6: or at least until i give the "all good" signal in here.
mod6: if anyone else is in the middle of creating a patch - maybe hold off a day or so before you submit until I can straighten out the tree & test everything.
mod6: looks like it compiled fine -- even though the patch had to apply with Hunk offset garbage
polarbeard: so is the plan to port all rpc commands to shiva actually?
mod6: whats weird here, is that the hashes in the patch, before and after, match nothing that i've got. so i've gotta figure that out.
mircea_popescu: ok well. they're all 3 identical : the v, the v-0001 of mystery and the v.pl on the actual machine that pressed with it
ascii_butugychag: ^ the mega-algo
mod6: yah, that's the right one.
mircea_popescu: mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/v.pl?sha1=6c20a367bb0788fb6343754f1bd3034a3544c277 << would be this right ?
mod6: afaik i've always named the actual file `v.pl'
mircea_popescu: ahh there we go.
ascii_butugychag: it is 'always the user's fault'
ascii_butugychag: now mircea_popescu knows the joys !11
jurov: yes, the clearsigned text
mircea_popescu: for the body ?
jurov: not needed, if it can find and verify the clearsigned part marked as text/plain or text/gpg, all is swell
mircea_popescu: ok so i am sending an email to btc-dev@therealbitcoin.org with subject line Certify polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc with content as a clearsigned short explanation of what it is, and with two attachments
hdbuck: mircea, about all that ‘proposal’ of yours, isnt it somehow sealing the 1MB limit?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 04:36:34; mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style << actually, best estimate i can get puts TMSR GDP growth for 2015 somewhere around 450-500%. that's not 4.5-5%. it's not 45-5
mircea_popescu: princessnell well for one thing it's a republic and for the other http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2016#1390659
princessnell: hey mircea_popescu. all goes well in the kingdom?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/#comment-113441 << in other news apparently the anme is joshua unseth
ascii_butugychag: had little gurl, nell, who illicitly found a robotic tutor who gave her puzzles about 'princess nell' and taught her to survive in the Dark Fyootoor (tm)
ascii_butugychag: is princessnell named after the 'diamond age' heroine.
ascii_butugychag: the 64 gigazimbabwedollar question:
jurov: princessnell: you have here 15675 s.qntr shares, want to do anything with them?
ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@hellopicoc/this-black-owned-portland-business-will-disappear-without-your-help-21f9fa195d78#.cywj4lxdv << it's a business! it's a charity! it's some people who failed to invest in their property for decades and now want everyone else to shoulder the burden of bringing their property up to code!
assbot: CipherLoc Corporation Announces Today That Cipher Block Chaining Mode Has Been Broken With Results Presented at DEFCON Conference Other OTC:CLOK ... ( http://bit.ly/20EOdFL )
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2016 18:01:26; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393853 << I met the guy at both PaulFest and PorcFest (pictured https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bre5M-MIMAEVoHf.jpg:large )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai is this in reference to the tweet referencing a blog post referencing a reddit thinger?
ascii_butugychag: btw, educational exercise for anybody interested in shiva: diff ~the vpatches~ shiva-part-1 and the tinyscheme-genesis aggregate.
mod6: i don't have tinyscheme-genesis in my patches dir. just shiva 1_of_2 and shiva 2_of_2 + the shiva fix.
mod6: shiva did expose a defect in v99996 of V (line 420), in one of the graphing subroutines (add_desc_src_files). the rest is fine. locally added simple conditinal check to see if the node is empty seems to have fixed it.
thestringpuller: theme-editor is all "You don't have permissions
mircea_popescu: the folly of purchasing one's commission with song, dance and merriment should be plainly apparent by now.
mircea_popescu: the tragedy of the austrian painter being that the fucking divisions were wholy imaginary throughout his tenure
mircea_popescu: anyway : there was a short time in the history of europe (and therefore the world) where the masses figured that they're in power and since they didn't know what else to do, decided to promote entertainers to leadership positions.
mircea_popescu: they CAN NOT be cancelled.
ascii_butugychag: anyway the funniest thing is that nobody cancelled purchased commissions, and other simonies - they are simply brokered through the credential racketeers now
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the whole caste bullshit is specifically indian. it is a cheap and simple solution to "what to do when confronted with multitudes and unwilling to think"
ascii_butugychag: i thought mircea_popescu taught us that they quit making worthy officers some time around 1800
mircea_popescu: which is the problem here. purchased comissions are not the problem - fake money is.
ascii_butugychag: the 10k are more likely to belong to buterin
mircea_popescu: when they start with "don't say nigger to be civilised and don't go topless to go to heaven", they took a step back. which means a step east. they're less greek and more indian.
ascii_butugychag: since the beginning
ascii_butugychag: anyway what i meant was, they have a pedigreed white meat thing going
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the nazis were regarded as barely better than the russians back in the day.
mircea_popescu: that "bizarre schutzstaffel-esque aryan thing going" is the VERY DEFINITION of indian
mircea_popescu: to this fucking day "security" in the us is "he knew your mother's maiden name so clearly he was you" "what if my mother was a whore ?"
mircea_popescu: to imagine the indian-us is any different is laughable.
mircea_popescu: neither side of the 3-4 sides involved EVEN COMPREHENDS what that'd be, let alone why they'd want it.
ascii_butugychag: (cipher in the non-otp sense)
ascii_butugychag: my suspicion is that neither side has a block or stream cipher of provable hardness
mircea_popescu: same place the us is keeping its real economy!
mircea_popescu: they're guarding their precious proprietary meat curtains. for what ? FOR A GUY THAT DESERVES THEM DAMNIT
ascii_butugychag: guard their precious eggs, aha
ascii_butugychag: to 'guard the precious su proprietary cipherz'
ascii_butugychag: btw if you read that article, my hypothesis was that the usg ciphers are specially built to fail in a particular way.
mircea_popescu: you're always "wake me up when there's steak"
ascii_butugychag: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << obligatory oldie, from my www; i will note that most of the proprietary ciphers are known to be symmetric.
ascii_butugychag: and the one-bit, 'i saw a coconut'
ascii_butugychag: can carry the smell.
ascii_butugychag: just that none of the results, positive or negative, leaked out.
mircea_popescu: the problem is not necessarily tractable!
ascii_butugychag: i always found it interesting that, after all of the $maxint spent on both sides of the ocean on symmetric crypto (see maslennikov's b00k, from the l0gz, say) we have - publicly - no more provably-hard symmetric crypto than a hundred years ago
mircea_popescu: the quadratic residuity issue makes me think fermat primes should be somewhere involved in all this
ascii_butugychag: if they aren't prime, you're using multiprime rsa and if your smallest prime is small, you get, e.g., pollard-rho'd
ascii_butugychag: like the standard fortifications around usg pissholes
mircea_popescu: "This is interesting because nowhere do they address the central engineering issue -- that a fixed p,q is not secure yet a variable one requires another RNG to seed the RNG." << except the part where a prng IS NOT A RNG
ascii_butugychag: it is interesting, to me, how the derpwall of 'don't go there! dragons!' always has quite the same appearance, from a mile away
ascii_butugychag: (i must mention, for completeness, that derpwall could have an opposite purpose, of preventing inquiriy into the ~weakness~ of b-b-s when used as prng, as it is in many systems incl. iirc, certain versions of winblowz)
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally, if you'll excuse the naive approach : couldn't in principle any p-and-q scheme be made to have a mutating p-and-q ?
ascii_butugychag: what we are seeing in callas and the shitoverflow derp is akin to the horizon of black hole
mircea_popescu: THOSE are "the flaws" plural of nsa-back\door ?
mircea_popescu: ""Many people who haven't thought it through have sung its praises over the years, mostly because they got seduced by the sound theoretic basis. Blum-Blum-Shub has two of the three flaws that DUAL_EC_DRBG has: it's slow, and you can't prove it secure.
ascii_butugychag: l0l mircea_popescu has the rng! could be swimming in rngola
ascii_butugychag: ... because the pope said, or somesuch
ascii_butugychag: 'pushes the problem down to your rng' which 'of course' can never work
ascii_butugychag: http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2014-January/019426.html << motherfucking fud
assbot: Blum–Goldwasser cryptosystem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwQzmp )
ascii_butugychag: 'it's slow and there are boojums and didja know it's slow??...'
assbot: Blum Blum Shub vs. AES-CTR or other CSPRNGs - Cryptography Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwQsay )
ascii_butugychag: http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/3454/blum-blum-shub-vs-aes-ctr-or-other-csprngs << good bits of this read rather usgtronic
mircea_popescu: this is actually a good call for wisdoms. what's the #b-a symmetric cypher ?
ascii_butugychag: possibly this, but possibly the proof is dodgy
ascii_butugychag specializes in 'the one hole', aha
mircea_popescu: there's no good symmetric cypher.
mircea_popescu: you know, it's just like you that you'd ask about the one hole.
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes wanted some warez, and i realized that we haven't the most elementary provisions for warez
ascii_butugychag: the latter enciphers a plain tcp tunnel.
ascii_butugychag: this gets fed into a small proggy on your box, which now knows where to connect, and what the symmetric cipher key is
ascii_butugychag: and not sure if this is even The Right Thing
ascii_butugychag: so there's a proggy i've been testin'
jurov: i was not aware of these tests. and what if some day it will?
phf: but curl works reliably on any of the posting services. or anyway anything that can do an http post without fucking up the payload
PeterL: and could the raw be default?
trinque: could get the thing a shorter domain
PeterL: did we decide if wotpaste fixes the mutilation issue?
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394038 << get rid of the heathen thing already
trinque: meanwhile trb node at 393k, today is the day...
mircea_popescu: trinque i dunno, jurov was saying something about email, but that seems silly. just allow the import of files and piss them out as a json i guess ?
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1d14385a-c678-45ee-8e23-bf8860cbe04d/?raw=true << I seem to be getting alot of these error messages, should I be concerned (connected to Dulap)?
ascii_butugychag: phlogiston/caloric, rather
ascii_butugychag: which then went into mass production.
ascii_butugychag: picture if somehow the phlogiston theory had, by way of sheer accident, resulted in the building of a sorta-working refrigerator.
ascii_butugychag: one must apprehend the ~systemic~ braindamage:
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2016 14:14:45; mircea_popescu: trinque so not with the intent to pressure you, but : is deedbot patch insertion likely to come online soon or should i re-learn how to do it via email ?
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2016#1393939 << I have time this weekend to give it a look. What's the spec here?
ascii_butugychag: as it is, 'here is a capsule of other people's shit'
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2016 15:19:04; mircea_popescu: the role of libraries is exactly like the role of the fridge in the supermarket : "here's this capsule of other people's thinking so you don't have to"
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2016 15:08:40; phf: mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000205.html mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000206.html << http://btcbase.org/patches/programmable-versionstring http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum
ascii_butugychag: the one who was so fat that he could not even see
ascii_butugychag: do you recall the photo of a very peculiar boar that kakobrekla once posted ?
ascii_butugychag: the activities listed above are a) actual work, that involves not sitting in a climate-controlled chair all day b) really needs having been raised 'free range' chicken instead of cage-born
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2016 14:03:19; mircea_popescu: or you think bhagwan chowdhry & the merry bunch actually have some sort of loyalty, or even any sort of conception of "US" ?
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393927 << the indians have the standard, entirely ordinary loyalty of the rest of usg, but hypertrophied: loyalty to the hand that feeds, supplies nice condo, fat retirement, princeyaletonward for the kidz
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2016 13:59:52; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sadly, the alf totally dominates that field. the bundy's dun have what it takes. not even remotely.
mircea_popescu: which is how the entire world (except brazil) enjoys the benefits of refrigeration, even as there's maybe a guy in a thousand people that could explain how it actually works.
mircea_popescu: the role of libraries is exactly like the role of the fridge in the supermarket : "here's this capsule of other people's thinking so you don't have to"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that is EXACTLY what they help.
phf: there's no library substitute for thinking. the "bug" is not obscure, it's just not implemented right :>
PeterL: you mean lisp is less magical than they say?
mircea_popescu: excuse the naive approach, but isn't that sort of thing precisely what lisp is supposed to by its nature prevent ?
phf: fwiw the graph is still not quite right, i.e. shows presses that couldn't happen.
phf: mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000205.html mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000206.html << http://btcbase.org/patches/programmable-versionstring http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum
mircea_popescu: one of the founders was arguing it shouldn't get govt support, just let it die
BingoBoingo: But in the positive side, 20 more posts than December while wordcount stayed rather steady.
BingoBoingo: Fuck I wrote December instead of January in the first line
mircea_popescu: trinque so not with the intent to pressure you, but : is deedbot patch insertion likely to come online soon or should i re-learn how to do it via email ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, which will happen five minutes after the usg stops hiring idiots, which will happen half hour after anyone who's not an idiot stops exclusively dedicating himself to the republic, which happens after i'm fucking dead, i should hope.
BingoBoingo: But the point is the Shaun Bridges have to stop falling for the trap where they reveal their Gobag&fortune to loyalists.
mircea_popescu: the maggot language doesn't have a word for "corpse", and certainly not one for the corpse's ex-marital status.
mircea_popescu: or you think bhagwan chowdhry & the merry bunch actually have some sort of loyalty, or even any sort of conception of "US" ?
mircea_popescu: just count the indians for a lul.
mircea_popescu: not even the usg itself is 75% usg by weight by now.
BingoBoingo: Anyways. The point is the Bundy fumbling has to happen for militia movement to develop which isn't 75% USG informant by weight.
mircea_popescu: four people and their dog aren't part of this discussion.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, but mebbe the inspire the kid that did. 4 people left in Free Oregon lead by kid named Fry. Fry seems like he's staying a while since FBI killed his friend.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sadly, the alf totally dominates that field. the bundy's dun have what it takes. not even remotely.