mircea_popescu: the power rangers have esentially gone down the path of "well... let's just not do checking", which is exactly in line with us fashions.
mircea_popescu: in general, the checking of blocks should be properly paralelized. this is a complex task, and will take a while.
shinohai: Probably in the upgrade plans for this year though.
ascii_butugychag: ^ for educational reading, in case this is not obvious, rather than for battlefield
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In other sports hindbrains http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-dies-starting-krispy-kreme-challenge-raleigh-36783985
ascii_butugychag: but even now, folks who get their sets from mod6's mirror, and folks who get theirs from the ml, are on divergent lightcones
ascii_butugychag: light cones will be relevant once we get autonomous bots scouring the universe for v set components...
mircea_popescu: well, what you get and what you start it. "what you press" -> press -> "what you pressed". ie, the press.
ascii_butugychag: your lightcone is all of the possible parts you have access to, and know of, at all, that you might build a set with
mircea_popescu: that's the press
mircea_popescu: why not just the set.
ascii_butugychag: i will half-seriously suggest that we refer to the ~set of patches, seals, keys~ that a particular vtron is aware of at his particular point in spacetime, as... his lightcone
mod6: im just gonna leave what i've got in there. will replicate what alf's does.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 im not even sure we can depend on a notion of "time" for v purposes. << oh yeah 'the last time' is probably a bad choice of words, "the last alteration" or some such.
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 21:23:54; mircea_popescu: then the outline showed up. "the change will be introduced in phases. for the first five years, only trucks and vehicles over 5 tons will switch to driving on right"
ascii_butugychag: anyone recall mircea_popescu's fable about the trucks ?
ascii_butugychag: also no prizes for this guess, but 100% of the 'power8' will be running poetteringola and drepperism
BingoBoingo: Poor 'lone types' get their own honeypots. This is for rich and mortgaged 'lone types'
ascii_butugychag: and therefore is weak honeypot sauce.
ascii_butugychag: just that it is unlikely to end up on the desks of the poor 'lone types' mircea_popescu discussed earlier
ascii_butugychag: i don't object to the price, this is quite cheap for a proper computer
BingoBoingo: But 3k price tag likely seems to target gullible potentially disloyal lizards. The Clintons and Sean Bridges.
ascii_butugychag: this being said, if the thing consisted 100% of ~documented~ fpga fabric, i would buy it
ascii_butugychag: also the nsa fund for this must've been quite pitiful, one would at least suppose they could have it secretly subsidized so it prices to sell !
mod6: so, by finding the origin of a given hash, such as 'false', this yields us the files that have since been removed from origin: http://dpaste.com/25JSTRY.txt
ascii_butugychag: (the crate has not come in yet)
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: theoretically
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: i specifically mean his 'follow my example, use this here iron!!111' 'but no there is no place for you to get it, hahahaha'
mod6 is just pondering weather the converse is useful. finding the last time the file was changed from <given> hash
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: gotta love the unobtainium
mod6: and just to verify, we *do* want to be looking at the post-patch hash value correct? the 'b' as opposed to the 'a'.
BingoBoingo: In other news FSF certified the Talos Power8 workstation board. Looks like Stallman has a new computer.
mod6: ascii_butugychag: hi, does this work ok for some reasonable output information for the origin command? http://dpaste.com/2N4BNVW.txt
BingoBoingo: The proper approach to sportsball hindbrains is considering them as a sort of Nevada test site, but for optimizing performance of doorkickers. The trend of these hindbrains whooping the police suggests that the "Black Lives Matter" business is internalizing with the ordinance and the Trinity bomb is going feral.
BingoBoingo: Other more boring stories about this species of hindbrain beating police in confrontations this year are piling up, but this is starting to look like a trend.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> su police, at least formally, were forbidden to appear anywhere in public except as 2+ man group. << This is part of what interests me in this case. 4 police officers met 4 hindbrains in mutual combat and lost resoundingly. If not for the equal numbers would be far less interesting.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> idiot stotting bulls are a dime a dozen. << they're a dime a dozen exactly like how microscope is a dime a dozen in post-usg us.
ascii_butugychag: (apparently they almost invariably even piss away 100% of the serious money that is paid to them)
ascii_butugychag: personally i find the daily life, birth and death of that meteorite linked earlier, more interesting
ascii_butugychag: i really do not grasp why BingoBoingo enthusiastically follows the doings of walking hindbrains, but that's his business
ascii_butugychag: the ball player
mats: ascii_butugychag: who is the 'idiot bull', 'walking hindbrain'?
mircea_popescu: extra lulz points if the "rationale" is something along the lines of "hey, we'll kiss and make up".
mats: give the fella a chance to tell his buddies, have you beaten by plainclothesman in holding cell?
mats: why would you do anything less than kill cop and annihilate the remains, when it comes to harm?
BingoBoingo: Picture of the scene of the smiting http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/one-dies-as-meteorite-falls-in-vellore/article8204671.ece
ascii_butugychag: in other equally-interesting news, somebody somewhere prolly got mauled by a rabid dog today.
thestringpuller: thought it was common "street honor" not to kill five-oh. cop has to do something really fucked up for actual criminal (the one's capable of organizing) to do "whole harm" to one, unless society has finally devolved into all out barbarism here
BingoBoingo: Notable in this case is police are struggling to get arrest warrants for the sportsball players
ascii_butugychag: this too is part of the 'unequal terms' thing
BingoBoingo: Just offering for the record that on equal terms US police lose to demographics with more sophisticated doping methods
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: But one of them cracked a law enforcement skull
BingoBoingo: In other news Rush Limbaugh just saved Rubio's Saturday debate performance with the other candidates were wrong for insisting Bahamas is jsut stupid and not instead abjectly evil.
nubbins`: been playing with synthesizers a lot lately
mircea_popescu: it would be fucking great. there's absolutely no reason for canada to pretend it's a sort of europe anymore than there's reason for argentina to.
nubbins`: maybe some small-scale subsistence windowsill farming in between to help bridge the gap
nubbins`: it'll be interesting watching canada regress to a hunter-gatherher society over these next few decades
nubbins`: the canadian housing market is very strange
ascii_butugychag: the tone of that article is vomit-inducing
nubbins`: ascii_butugychag i was surprised to learn (a) that this exists only in alberta and (b) that it was once so common that they came up with a catchy name for it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lender shouldn't have pissed you off then.
mircea_popescu: i would call any OTHER law peculiar.
nubbins`: and now the gov is QQing because a bunch of people are doing it
nubbins`: mircea_popescu alberta has a peculiarity of law where one can walk away from one's mortgage, mail the keys to the bank, & not have any further liability
mircea_popescu: "do i have any proof for my <<<claim>>> they're idiots ???"
mircea_popescu: in argentina ? i'd end up buried under a 10mn pile of flaming idiots who think they're smart and http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116472
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: pretty sure December I set a personal record for words. Then January set a personal record for headlines.
nubbins`: write more, they say it helps
nubbins`: BingoBoingo get on the reefers dude
mircea_popescu: otherwise - i would.
nubbins`: give back to the local community 8)
mircea_popescu: harem is a fucking unbalanced construction. i should have a small army around it so they could eat my pies and i could look on and be happy in my old age.
mircea_popescu: it's not fucking fair. god damned shitlords ruining the world for everyone.
nubbins`: all things in moderation! i'm down 5kg since the holidays!
nubbins`: the danger of homebrew beer: too yummy
ascii_butugychag: and the timecube linked earlier, was an even better illustration
assbot: The danger of homebrew crypto on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20Rfk0r )
mircea_popescu: and if we know for a fact you're alone, the advice is entirely correct.
ascii_butugychag: in the same way as 'don't cut open a man's abdomen if you want him to live' is ~generally~ correct
mircea_popescu: writing own crypto [especially if done by the typically ustardian aloneman, a la shaun bridges etc] is bound to crash in the local maxima problem discussed a minute ago.
mircea_popescu: well, the advice is in general correct.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it is almost possible to catalogue the cockroaches typically infesting n00b heads - for instance, having a set of 'too big to contemplate' steps, such as junking 'nacl' et al and writing own libs
assbot: Using their weight against them (old shitlording I forgot) | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbnKhz )
mircea_popescu: fix the food, but eat it.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag and godel famously wasn't quite together.
ascii_butugychag: which, for the typical usaschwitz 'dissident' - may well be ~true~
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: possibly kid imagines that the company of others leads directly to 'militia', and usg stoolies, and straight into jail
mircea_popescu: my article specifically says "it will make kids lose their mind", and kid with lost mind reads it and it helps naught.
nubbins`: ascii_butugychag in this fantasy, the s:n ratio is back where it was
mircea_popescu: no you fucking idiot, it won't. "anonimity" is what got you in the pickle in thefirst place, you don't want more of it. you want fucking less.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally, this is the most shocking part of the maqp kid. he is utterly alone, for this reason entirely hopeless, and his solution is "hey, better aloneliness potion would help!"
mircea_popescu: so far the usg is like 3-0 for "kidnapped, murdered and extorted keys"
ascii_butugychag: which was the whole point.
ascii_butugychag: likely, the keyz
nubbins`: what a lel. i wonder what /else/ they nabbed him with.
mircea_popescu: like the idiot thief, sorry he got caught, not sorry he's the sort of dumbass that feeds himself in the least effectual way, yes.
nubbins`: the korean term for this is literally translated as "smelling sesame oil"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu my heart empathetically raced as i imagined the empty pit of despair engulfing him at the moment of re-arrest
ascii_butugychag: and in defense of mircea_popescu , the arithmetical boojum involved was a subtle one, sorta like montyhall
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag see, bering the commander of a glorious, victorious army unit does not protect one from dying in a drunken bar brawl.
ascii_butugychag: but with the difference that one might, given a miracle, find more ammo
ascii_butugychag: running out of otp is rather like running out of ammo,
mod6: shinohai: ok thanks for the update. let us know how it goes.
mircea_popescu: (meanwhile i asked for the why and wherefore of the "debiasing" of the plaintext. "no you idiot, it's so you burn less otp. what the fuck's wrong with you!")
mircea_popescu: the recent debias-otp-plaintext thing being a splendid if amusing example in this exact line.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 23:53:20; asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag you sound like the health food store people. "drink this dewormer before you enter"
ascii_butugychag: i always found interesting the kind of lice and worms these folks usually walk in with
thestringpuller: remember though. bitcoin classic is still in beta. and it's chinese new year. and other things.
mircea_popescu: one day im going to meet these people in heaven, or else organise a special safari to hell, and give them a piece of my mind.
mircea_popescu: sadly all everyone planted were turds, but the field's manure alright
shinohai: I guess it isn't much in the face of Bitcoin Classic's 100's of nodes "coming soon" but trying to do my part.
ascii_butugychag: mega-unsurprise, they don't appear to exist
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu do you know of any working implementations of cramer-shoup other than the emacslisp one i linked last week ?
shinohai: I started another node on Friday on my friends server, it is still catching up. But I think it showed me I need to upgrade some equipments.
nubbins`: ty! the air was stale, not to my liking. had to resurface
ascii_butugychag: how was the submarine ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Node caught back up I think my issue is the crap box I am running it on. Going to start shopping for better node hardware I guess.
nubbins`: CRLF is the standard newline
gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all'
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 05:03:35; punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399568 << anybody cached this ? << click the bit.ly link from assbot and you'll find it
assbot: Popular Cryptography Magazine Spring 2011: The Legend of Adacrypt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZbqJy )
mircea_popescu: the irony of the situation being that the soviets weren't nearly as impressed by the significantly more powerful soviet state.
asciilifeform: panic in the face of what is seen as infinitely powerful devil
asciilifeform: delusional parasitosis is built from two basic components - collective 'tooth-licking' (as naggum called it), where buncha folks happily 'folie a deux' together 2) palpable powerlessness, 'no microscope anywhere can possibly see the bugs', etc
asciilifeform: lulzily i was actually in the midst of prototyping a simple bios diddler when that came out
mircea_popescu: in parts the reddit-powered "infosec" "community" sounds a lot more like some sort of clinically relevant entomophobia in imminent danger of taking the leap into delusional parasitosis.
asciilifeform: use one of the legs, or power supply, or whole bus, as antenna.
asciilifeform: reasonably it wouldn't be bluetooth but one of the 'shitmonkey' or what was it called, from snowden-II document, simple short-range radio thing
mircea_popescu: i'd actually very much want to see this wunderwaffen where they put bluetooth in the optoitem.
asciilifeform: incidentally, even supposing the great satan knew how to fit an entire battalion of snitches and three whole atomic bombs into an optocoupler, the fun part re: using standard analogue parts is that YOU CAN GET THEM FROM ANCIENT MACHINES
assbot: One of the reasons I decided not to use optocouplers is a story I got from a fr - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sak7Z7 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some sillyness about how some derp prankcalled an unnamed silicon manufacturer, pretended to be a secret agency so secret not even the name is known, asked for a spec on an unspecified cpu packaging other than "it must be just like irl ones" and received a 100k firm bid on the phone as long as he provides "his ip"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 00:51:02; maqp: you understand the size of required logic and NSA running best fab in the world? ;)
punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399568 << anybody cached this ? << click the bit.ly link from assbot and you'll find it
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 03:00:17; mircea_popescu: phf internet produces necessarily a mixed bag. still, the guy correctly identified a workable airgap scheme on his own, should count for something.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399618 << actually fella reminds me of the medieval folk who tried to build gliders and splat
BingoBoingo: I thought R5RS was the good scheme?
BingoBoingo: In other news, apparently contemporary LISP machine is not a thing, but PASCAL machine is http://oberonstation.x10.mx/
BingoBoingo: Gotta keep the memes alive
mircea_popescu: just cuz of the horseback meme.
BingoBoingo: What. Preet got a picture. I figured I needed to get a picture for Kim when he tested the new bomb.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude i just laughed hysterically at the korean derp on horse pic.
BingoBoingo: It's things like these and the /. comments that reveal's everyone's tolerance for anthropology
mircea_popescu: phf internet produces necessarily a mixed bag. still, the guy correctly identified a workable airgap scheme on his own, should count for something.
phf: it is also filled with the kind of things that will give asciilifeform a severe twitch: guy takes hardware rng, runs it on raspberry pi gpio, whiteness the result, and then xors in /dev/urandom. you know, for the kids!
phf: also having read the paper, i stand by my words
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: ;;later tell maqp on a cursory inspection i couldn't figure out how the protocol decides between otp and cev, how those are identified on the wire, etc. is that up to the user?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: ;;later tell maqp if i were you i'd split tfc.pdf into separate papers. HWRNG, data diode communication, tfc otp, tfc cev and "rationale", the last one to include all the superfluous NSA shoutouts
mircea_popescu: i'll just wait for reality to disprove their claims instead. heck, they're still making the best invisibly-visible aircraft-submarine scooba diving platform, or whatever that was.
maqp: But like I said, all the best. It's 3am I'm off. Night everyone!
maqp: The site uses nsa.gov as a source. If you can disprove their claims, it should make quite a scandal
mircea_popescu: tell you what, the best korea register has a story about how that fatass what's his name runs the best fab in the world.
mircea_popescu: you understand the difference between a gps beacon and some sort of tiny subvertor that'd fit inside an optodiode somehow ?
maqp: unless you have the clearance
maqp: There is absolutely no way to guarantee delivery against interdiction. So unless the device uses unbackdoorable components, then no.
mircea_popescu: anyway : it'd be better, of course, if users made their own. but users don't make their own, for many reasons, chief among which that they're lazy. do you specifically not want to market a product ?
mircea_popescu: we can't possibly have a mature discussion about the silly in that dpaste.
maqp: I think it's more safe if people download manuals from the network, and then buy COTS hardware and build data diodes / HWRNG themselves
mircea_popescu: this is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard.
maqp: Basically, LEDs and phototransistors might be secure against interdiction attacks, but the problem is finding a properly functioning pair
assbot: One of the reasons I decided not to use optocouplers is a story I got from a fr - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ojjxvS )
maqp: phf: Well, when you look at history of TLS, you'll notice that modes of operation are not obvious. My approach for TFC is first of it's kind (at least in FOSS world). My approach on a-b is to see whether CIA-triad is fulfilled. If my peer can be tricked into sending messages to infiltrator / network attack that changes a single public key etc. all security is lost
mircea_popescu: you fuckers've not been idle for the past years.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, person walks into the republican capitol. there's ALL THIS SHIT. it'd be impossible not to feel even the little bit queasy.
phf: maqp: there's a number of existing cryptographic primitives that, depending on the fashions, are combined with each other in various obvious ways. we understand your approach, because it's obvious, and there similar existing attempts. you find our approach ~confusing~, maybe there's a hidden point that you're missing. a thread model that you're not quiet grokking.
mircea_popescu: yes, that's kinda the point of b-a. it t-bones with standard * discourse so badly, as you put it.
maqp: If you're passionate about the project, I hope you dive into it, write a paper on this and prove us wrong.
maqp: It's just that this type of nihilistic reasoning and security t-bones with the standard infosec discourse so badly I can't offer advice.
BingoBoingo: Ah, there's always someone trying to find an easier, softer, way.
mircea_popescu: well, there's no "we". but i have no interest in adding layers of sheet metal to my limo when everyone shot got shot getting in or getting out of the limo.
maqp: The range with illuminated retro reflectors is up to 10 miles. You going to shoot anybody within that range?
mircea_popescu: other than by shooting on sight anyone caught doing that.
maqp: There is no way your system can defeat targeted SIGINT monitoring attack, where government drives within a few hundred meters and collects signals emitted by your keyboard cable.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> heh anyways i just cracked xotika, picked a random feed and whaddaya know the last frame of the bloomberg video that autoplayed itself is superimposed on this poor girl's face << Known bug on Chromium using OS X and Nvidia
maqp: Yeah, I'm afraid there's really no situation this could be used in
mircea_popescu: the only assurance to be had here comes from a gossipd model. where anyone could have written the plaintext, and for all anyone POORLY CONNECTED knows, they probably did.
mircea_popescu: think about it. can i be assured ? maybe the person saves it in plaintext and loses the laptop
mircea_popescu: but i do not wish to be assured this ; moreover this "assurance" you provide is false, in substantially the same manner your idea of "infosec" misses security.
maqp: so you get secrecy without affecting the anonymity
maqp: and you can be assured that only the recipient will read what you sent
maqp: then when you want to send a message to contact, you encrypt the message with the public key and ask users to pass along the ciphertext
mircea_popescu: because why would i gift upon a would-be atacker that;s really a lame ass kid unable to on hios own merit secure the cost of a proper burial
mircea_popescu: as far as anyone who wasn't there is concerned, this may as well be a fabrication altogether. and so on.
mircea_popescu: consider what happened in gossipd when i said the line above : "<mircea_popescu> you don't know who he has in his contacts.". buncha nodes that i know went "we heard mp say so" to their downlist
maqp: and evetually it will reach them
maqp: Why couldn't this work on OTR. I have a OTR messaging with my friend and I ask them to relay a message for me to someone peer has on their contacts?
mircea_popescu: complete anonimity between peers more than one node removed ; complete secrecy outside of the node group ; no integrity or authenticity outside of the wot trust.
maqp: so a secure communication system with no anonymity between peers, no secrecy, no integrity and no authenticity unless all peers are trustworthy
mircea_popescu: the power of the system is exactly this : that an attacker doesn't know NOR CAN KNOW if he';s being sybilled to death or not.
mircea_popescu: moreover, they should.
mircea_popescu: basically the whole system is an implementation of "have you heard what X said", but with computers.
mircea_popescu: X, Y and Z see this, and if they like me enough, and if they have your pubkey, pass along the Hi to you.
phf: maqp: in case of gossip there's no propagation. it's a p2p where each node, explicitly your peer, makes claims about what was said or heard elsewhere. не веришь, прими за сказку
maqp: Can you give a tldr on how ciphertexts propagate in the network?
assbot: V-tronics 101: A gentle introduction to The Most Serene Republic of Bitcoin's cryptographically-backed version control system ... ( http://bit.ly/1nWQIFF )
mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/02/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system.html << there's a discussion. or if you prefer to see code,
mircea_popescu: anyway, the model gossipd is supposed to use is, you pass along traffic to your peers, if you're satisfied that it comes from either youself or a peer. it's a sort of messaging-over-wot. exactly like v works.
maqp: So the urban vs rural talks about anonymity being a "rat in a sewer"
maqp: But I fail to see the rat in the sewer, when you're giving the government a finger by bouncing traffic across the globe
maqp: Well, we must depend on those who are able to do something then given their current social and societal situation
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:40:38; mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
mircea_popescu: no amount of "infosec" is going to change the fact that for any discussion on these lines, you go with the sucker herd.
mircea_popescu: what's this game of everythingsies, i wanna be tanned but also untanned and sit in the sun and the moon at the same time bla bla.
mircea_popescu: no, they philosophically have no business there. once you've decided to settle down and reproduce, you've by that token accepted the world as is, declared your own submission to it and all that.
maqp: it depends on how well they can weigh the threat and what track record the tools of their OPSEC have