mircea_popescu: you have a maximal puppy density that allows the biomass in question to stay puppy-shaped
asciilifeform: thermodynamics takes mercy on no one.
mircea_popescu: and hence, there's a problem!
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, on the other hand the theoretical structure of the relationship is exactly opposite to this reality.
mircea_popescu: to explain : on one hand the slave is put in circumstances (be it clothing, or accoutrements, or whatnot) that make it the focus of attention, necessarily. you can't do most of those things permanently, as a thing. to understand why, imagine you'd make a silo full of puppies. how long before it is a silo full of rotting meat ?
mircea_popescu: in infinitely more interesting news, the fundamental problem of slavery : http://40.media.tumblr.com/6c74441da85e1c5cfe00aedca0e54365/tumblr_np667iedoF1uu92gho1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: just like any teenaged slut in argentina that i stick my cock into for the time being ?
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6aNyh )
mircea_popescu: there's only one kind ever offered. which is why http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/
asciilifeform: yes, there is not enough usg kimchi for ~all~ quislings to live work-free in mega-house
mircea_popescu: but anyway, you know who else was "set for lyf" ? that objectionable "open source" shithead.
asciilifeform: ah them, l0l
mircea_popescu: apparently you predicted something or the other about the oregon folks. bout the same strength of prediction as your groundless if insistend belief gavin has it well. which, for the lulz, is exactly homologuous with your prior "prediction"/firm belief that leah goodman was floating in it, which did get debunked publicly but for that reason doesn't need further mention ; or for that matter something about jews
ben_vulpes: shinohai: i want the http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/ats-59-artillery-tractor-275 artillery tractor
mod6: to be ignored by the future minstrels
shinohai: Of course he is with cia paying the bills
mod6: Kip Thorne said, "It is by far the most powerful explosion humans have ever detected except for the big bang."
asciilifeform: i won't link to the newzcrud because atrocious
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, first-ever detection of gravity wave in real time is being claimed.
shinohai: That's just begging for you to turn it into The Mystery Machine ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: PURCHASE A UAZ-452 MINIVAN, THE INDISPENSABLE COMPANION OF YOUR LONG TRIPS TO THE NATURE.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.
mod6: So gentoo uses 'gawk' by default, and ubuntu, uses 'mawk'. So if you install 'gawk' on ubuntu, then change the script so that it calls 'gawk' instead of 'awk', all is well.
mod6: finally figured out, I think, what the weird problem is with vdiff on ubuntu with that unmached quote.
asciilifeform: the old one will not be seen again, i suspect.
BingoBoingo: Depends on how the inevitable next one plays out
BingoBoingo: There are no reports on ClassicCoin's move from beta that do not include deviations from reality which would allow linking
BingoBoingo: If you insist I'll dig up the least obnoxious one
mircea_popescu: pff. besides the fucking point. what i am saying is that a) you download source from current linux repo ; b) you built it on random gcc you have installed and c) lol.
asciilifeform: (in the menuconfig thingie, or by hand.)
mircea_popescu: i think it is built out of duct tape and spit, and the process is not reproducible outside of sheer luck.
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 17:40:11; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either
BingoBoingo had his turn being tricked by and article title "how to subdue a duck for easy transportation" was about catching ducks to move them, not convert them into a conveyance
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either
punkman: mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora. << works here
asciilifeform: ^ not recommended or otherwise, nfi how it works yet
assbot: The Floating-Point Guide - What Every Programmer Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPB6Ol )
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 16:47:02; mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora.
mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora.
asciilifeform reads 'game of life pow' in the logz, and pictures prisoners of war being sent to clear mine fields laid in g.o.l. patterns
asciilifeform: (will it even sit down on the max disk in that thing)
asciilifeform: prolly still has the 8G limit, too
asciilifeform: and yeah there is no question of running trb on this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: srsly the old thinkpad's sata-1 does not cut it
mircea_popescu: in other "things that don't work but faux japanese men drinking bottled beer like to pretend anyway", http://40.media.tumblr.com/28bf92be1f3e4bf544e5c504dbcf0602/tumblr_nwbq2sc4K91qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: https://boingboing.net/2016/02/02/doxxing-sherlock-3.html << since nobody but me read the original pdf turd, here's the circus version
asciilifeform: in other mostly non-news,
asciilifeform: you can't trb-develop on the x60.
asciilifeform: just won't latch, and the parts waltz when you pick it up.
asciilifeform: i guess the example i have here fell 1,001 times.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just yesterday it faceplanted from bed to the floor. no damage.
asciilifeform: they ~look~ solid aha
mircea_popescu: the one i bought is solid as a rock and i have a pile of spare batteries for it too.
asciilifeform: and the chassis was not made of shitanium
asciilifeform: they literally fall apart
asciilifeform: punkman: nah, they just tend to be in abysmal physical shape
asciilifeform: then you see it.
mircea_popescu: keep the old versions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is not too clear on the concept of bottles with no outside, is he
mircea_popescu: by the time it has to be defended cby this sort of principle backtracking... there's nothing there to defend.
mircea_popescu: original linux as a subversive device had the same property.
mircea_popescu: it's deeper than that, imo. the point here is that bitcoin is not making any attempt to limit ownership of its tokens by say, usg agents.
asciilifeform: in the same way that me slipping on the pavement is = to being run over by a bus, yes.
mircea_popescu: in ~principle~ the fact i can't compile the kernel with any random compiler i wrote myself is an argument that linux = windows, ftr.
assbot: The Project To Compile The Linux Kernel With LLVM Clang Is Still Alive - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6NUpD )
asciilifeform: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Clang-The-Kernel-2016 << l0l, the destallmanization gnomes never sleep
mircea_popescu: but in further oregon news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/232cfbc63c345f52cccd200f4a189d91/tumblr_nwbqdilQau1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: i would guess they'll hurry up to pack it up before ben_vulpes' nude amazon charge shows up
mircea_popescu: and because they're all bound by the same ideology, it is trivial to produce the i they can never print ; whereas because they are all subject ot the same pressure, it is nigh on impossible for dA vs dB to be anywhere as large as i.
mircea_popescu: gadfly the fucktard ointment, by taking their stories and taking them apart, adding details they don't wish circulated, stuff like that.
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 14:54:55; BingoBoingo: punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story.
mircea_popescu: keep all these three heads of doom away, it is plain impossible to not make money.
mircea_popescu: exactly what the fuck is going to be "fixed" in this necessary situation ? time to face the music : a large number of people is NOT a business value. it is a business cost.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402795 << what fucking fix ? "giving away free beer will result in the largest party on campus. it will also be a sausage fest that no one cool would even consider."
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 13:55:43; PeterL: would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention?
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 13:14:54; punkman: http://www.nature.com/news/the-chips-are-down-for-moore-s-law-1.19338
mircea_popescu: "The startups move to our private compound for 3 months, during which time we work intensively with them to get the company into the best possible shape and refine their pitch to potential new members." <<< i hope they apply the bivolaru tradition
mircea_popescu: http://www.stupidhackathon.com/2016/poors-good.jpg << this is actually a perfectly valid point. if you're going to publicly associate with people via facebook, you're exposing yourself and your fambly to usg & friends rapine in various manners, such as the one described.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402730 << lol ferguson is not newsworthy anymore in the pravda, they moved the circus to flint now. this is so fucking soviet, they had a truck going around the country bringing "news"
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:21:00; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread?
mircea_popescu: buterin is by now indistinguishable from that kate/craig imbecile of http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/ fame.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402686 << it is vaporware lol. weren't they going to release something "right next week" for the past... i dunno, 6months ?
BingoBoingo: punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story.
punkman: I bet they have 3 teams of "usability" experts.
punkman: they have volume control on soundcloud.com, but there's this radio show I listen to, they started embedding soundcloud recently and there's no volume control on it. and of course there is no way to find the embedded tracks on their soundcloud profile.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Brokered convention? Could be very interesting. I won't pledge to bet it without seeing the form it takes
punkman: asciilifeform: .. << turing-complete vtron or bust << I'll get there eventually. Though, I think the standard unified-diff representation is useful even if patchons consisting of script are available.
PeterL: would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention?
asciilifeform: if pete_d's benz then it also yes!
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 05:29:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:56:52; punkman: in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a).
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402711 << recall, mircea_popescu came up with a spiffier one since then
punkman: the stupid hackathon
punkman: "Categories: Commodities to End Climate Change, Data Seance, Smart Garbage, Monetizing Children, Artisanal Ad Networks, The Sharing Economy, Fetal Leaning In, Disrupting Solid Foods, Open Source Debtors Prison, 3D Printed Drugs, Deepest Learning, Compostable Neural Networks, Cybersecurity, Ayn Rand, Edible Electronics, Virtual Reality (For Babies)"
assbot: Industrial Society and Its Future - Wikisource, the free online library ... ( http://bit.ly/23YGvZB )
punkman: in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a).
ben_vulpes: punkman: i wish i remembered more, or could effectively dig up the thread
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread?
ggggg: about 200k coins right now ... max 250k will take 300 odd years to mine the last 5th
ggggg: the unobtainium one ;)
punkman: is UNO the unobtainium one?
ggggg: true, but there is $ backing it
ggggg: all of them ... fan of UNO
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 04:32:44; nubbins`: what's pete doing on the list anyway
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:16; nubbins`: speak now if you believe a lord that has contributed TRB patches, who owns the second-largest s.mg stock warrant, who trades in the only physical collectibles that are priced solely in BTC, who pays the bill for eulora.org, who is the republic's de facto minister of letters awaiting with bated quill the whittling-down of a codebase fit to publish, should be stripped of his title; speak your treason now, th
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu one well-massaged class of super-NP complexity classes is PSPACE - and i distinctly recall a proof that the mega-game 'sokoban' is PSPACE-complete.
BingoBoingo: That's roughly half of all discussions in the history of bitcointalk
asciilifeform: (who remembers?? 'i was never a sc4mz0r, but now you called me one, and thereby i now lack the money to fill $promise' )
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 01:47:54; punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In the ongoing collapse American serfs now being moved to scratch different patches of dirt http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/urban-farmers-working-vacant-kinloch-property-get-surprise-when-land/article_a69bbb45-2cc1-542d-b7c0-51e6205c8e2c.html
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 15:12:55; mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.
mircea_popescu: by "godfather sort of deal" i mean specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300594
punkman: mircea_popescu: well Jim must be making some money to pay for the bandwidth, no?
mircea_popescu: it's always a godfather sort of deal.
assbot: Agents of Thermos: "Default Trust" member Escrow.ms arrested, Tradefortress still at large : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RruGX0 )
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/456ej8/agents_of_thermos_default_trust_member_escrowms/
punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."
BingoBoingo: Remember when copypaste though he owned 8chan? That's the sort of misunderstanding that seems to preclude doing business with 2ch.
punkman: was just wondering if you ever talked to the Jim fellow that owns both that and 8ch
mircea_popescu: punkman i asked them to either support bitcoin or do a one time deal for me. they were going to get back, never did.
mircea_popescu: the "captains of industry" days.
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff. << NEver forget $50 Blockchain.info chargeback because Ver's sticky hands were in all the things then
punkman: the neverending *chan drama eh
mircea_popescu: and in other muslim news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5f6qtZHfh1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: but whatever, the fiat deck of cards will endure because... i dunno, everyone will promise to not take a shit on it and also uphold that promise. sounds workable :D
mircea_popescu: and in more of the same, http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Card-frauds-used-bitcoins-to-trade-money/articleshow/50922983.cms
mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff.
mircea_popescu: so only very technically a "resistance", more like a first-to-kick-the-loser competition.
mircea_popescu: but as best i can discern, any sort of "resistance movement" would be in the sense of "we'll do the raping and pillaging ourselves, who are these foreign derps" rather than "we'll defend the shithole".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey what's all the rumour of a euro resistance movement ? disinfo ?
asciilifeform: even orwell in '43 essay understood why, e.g., hitler is appealing vs the insipid fossil civilization orwell inhabited
asciilifeform: the western mental asylum can do many things to many people, but cannot make them ~want to live~
asciilifeform: no more than modern egypt built the pyramids.
asciilifeform: left alone, they could not make even a goat.
asciilifeform: the 'cleaners' are 100% catabolic.
asciilifeform: i thought they felt 'hey, free shit'
mircea_popescu: but hey, "i guess now you know how the ''syrian refugees'' feel".
mircea_popescu: go door to door, beat all males to death, rape all females, load them up in trucks and ship them to fucking bahrein. what the everliving fuck, these people should not live.
mircea_popescu: i think as the collapse advances, i will be very hard pressed to resist the temptation to take a trip over to sf and just serb the fucking place.
asciilifeform: in '93 there ~were~ functioning industries that set a standard for wrangling physical reality.
mircea_popescu: to my eyes, sept 93 looks like the flu as compared to this bubonic leprosy varicella.
asciilifeform: what really changed is the lack of reference.
mircea_popescu: these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute.
mircea_popescu: reddit makes money and is important, star wars is an acceptable font of comparisons, "exaggeration" in the sense of cracked.com retardation is an acceptable stylistic maneuver, and the list just goes on and on.
asciilifeform: and there wasn't, in '93 ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they're drinking, but there's this cloud of pointedly useless 20somethings floating around in this lalaland of delusional thinking the likes of which has not been seen ever since the turks wore the byzantine "aristocratic" kids as cock decorations five centuries ago.
asciilifeform: where do i read the vote fudge algo ?
mircea_popescu: "emperor palpatine" and "reddit, one of the blabla". 1) reddit is shit ; 2) reddit never made any fucking money.
mircea_popescu: "I understand a business has to make money. 8chan needs to make money to survive, but making money and being open source is not mutually exclusive. Lots of sites do it, including reddit, one of the biggest sites on the Internet today."
asciilifeform: if they were smaller...
asciilifeform: also the things cost about a dime now
mircea_popescu: i suppose once people get serious about it, it could be made to cost less than the tyre.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes but then won't have one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can burn them remotely
mircea_popescu: costs more to cut the tyre and replace or make a replacement than it costs to let it be.
mircea_popescu: that's actually a very close solution. about as good as it gets in terms of your dream "sunken bubbles in the ocean"
mircea_popescu: anything good in there ?
mircea_popescu: but yes. however, unfortunately for them, this is a very hard problem.
asciilifeform: the schmuck peddling group-theoretical crypto firm at 'shmoocon' wanted auth chips in pills
mircea_popescu: i guess someone should make a three-mosfet hash function. just spit out the 1/f pink.
mircea_popescu: it's lulzy how shitthy these are.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the crapple power cable thread? device makers want 'authenticator' in every candy wrapper. and so are drawn to crackpot 'ten transistors!1111' auth schemes like moths to flames
mircea_popescu: There is an extensive, and apparently never-ending, literature on "lightweight identification protocols" such as HB, HB+, HB++, HB-MP, HB*, Trusted-HB, and HBsharp. Each of these protocols was broken within one year of being proposed. Note that any authenticated cipher can trivially be used for identification: the challenger sends a random message; the prover sends back the same message, authenticated.
mircea_popescu: getting back to the yurpean news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9ceab92925686acf64f20918a67aa6d8/tumblr_npr78ccRwA1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: i guess the correct answe is "not ended yet"
mircea_popescu: M18, 2015.09.2829: DIAC 2015: Directions in Authenticated Ciphers 2015. Singapore.
assbot: Crypto competitions:CAESAR: Competition for Authenticated Encryption: Security, Applicability, and Robustness ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs1LNv )
mircea_popescu: "a contest of which nothing is known but the name", i guess.
mircea_popescu: http://www.cesarproject.eu/ there we go. "To maintain the European leading edge position in the transportation as well as automation market, CESAR aims to boost cost efficiency of embedded systems development and safety and certification processes by an order of magnitude."
asciilifeform: (after the intel debacle)
asciilifeform: the mega-champ is acl2.
asciilifeform: yeah let's somebody translate from the cuneiform.
asciilifeform: the retarded, careless, or otherwise incapacitated versions of mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are not here.
mircea_popescu: i suppose h. everett is the foundational lemma of sf.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz: pistol is connected to a recognizer box, shoots you in the head in all universes where rng did not shit out the solution)
mircea_popescu: for the obvious reasons.
mircea_popescu: i originally gave it as an example to stand pro toto for a larger set. specifically - that hunting the p = np thing is a waste of time, when there are in point of fact items known to be harder than np.
asciilifeform: if this, it rose and fell with the career of s. cook.
mircea_popescu: actually : the cost is shown to be double-exponential. fischer & rabin 1974.
mircea_popescu: as a curio - this was a very promising field just about the time of mit ai being a very promising field
mircea_popescu: however - that decidability has a cost, and the cost is > exponential.
asciilifeform: 'Sorry, your request could not be processed because the format of the URL was incorrect. Contact the Help Desk if the problem persists. [SD-001]' << l0l
mircea_popescu: there.
asciilifeform: berman's theorem
asciilifeform: is NP-complete then P = NP'
jurov: not sure it's even a crypto invention. noisy channel theory says basically the same (think channel with 50% bit flip noise)
mircea_popescu looks forward to a time when say berman's is a fundamental theorem in crypto
mircea_popescu: yes but i'm not in the business of carpentry.
asciilifeform: for whatever timber - arithmetic is the straightest saw we've got.
mircea_popescu: just like that, of the crooked timber and all that.
mircea_popescu: eh there is no grasping fully.
asciilifeform: and in the process, grasp it fully...
asciilifeform: incidentally, imho mircea_popescu could write a splendid article about the xor lemma.
asciilifeform: one demonstrable benefit is that it multiplies the cost of brute force.
mircea_popescu: quite. now 1mb IS probably too large to be useful (unless actual mathematical need/benefit for it is shown)
mircea_popescu: getting rid of one of the most idiotic constraints people-who-are-not-me put on cipher design
mircea_popescu: merely, that the "key over the wire in the jungle" aspect need not be accounted for.
asciilifeform: this is harmless, but to rely on the enemy having difficulty getting your pubkey is lunacy
mircea_popescu: just like with chicks and their phone numbers.
mircea_popescu: (for the future, the ~ONLY way to get a key would be to ask trusted third party for it. such as hey x you know y ? send me his key!)
mircea_popescu: if the increase is 100x this impacts nothing
asciilifeform: plus whatever overhead from the individual cipherators.
mircea_popescu: look at the usual case : we exchange 1kb messages.
asciilifeform: you get 2x the ciphertext bitz.
mircea_popescu: i misread the split.
asciilifeform: if i give you one half of a xor pair, it tells you ~nothing~ about the plaintext...