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danielpbarron: i'd imagine you could have a marraige contract signed between husband and father
asciilifeform: ('i took a bride, quiet and modest, in the field, under a bush, sharp saber was my matchmaker, bayonet - my best man')
mircea_popescu: is this a continuation of the "honey, for a bitcoin i make the holes" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since we're doing ru theme today, then, pertinently, 'Взял невесту тиху-скромну В чистом поле под кустом, Остра шашка была свашкой,— Штык булатный был дружком.'
mircea_popescu: there's no v-marriage is there ?
asciilifeform: which has been in a black hole state, about 90% of the time, for the past hour.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other hypothesis is that republican servers > nsa powers.
asciilifeform: for the lack of other hypothesis ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose i underestimated the power of the magical nobody-giving-half-a-fuck field
BingoBoingo: In other news the latest spammers to buy /. actually ask the users what they want http://slashdot.org/poll/2973
mircea_popescu: so... win-win, as they say in loserland.
BingoBoingo: They prolly just give him the chance to be heard by various incarnations of Eliza
hanbot: i'm sure he's paid in "ideas", as much as i'm sure they'd fail just as hard without him driving a mop
BingoBoingo: They needn't even pay him money, but proximity to his church Altman
BingoBoingo: I thought they did
hanbot: i thought he was the hn forum jester. they gave him a bucket?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i never saw any reason to believe anything from the mouth of mr spam
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun is the hn forum janitor
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: hn is lost because ninjashogun is their "spam filter"
asciilifeform: gotta love the old sack of shit, never disappoints.
asciilifeform: the hn post appears to have been zapped entirely.
ben_vulpes: to be fair quite a few looked to be my fault for using old vdiff versions and other inane pebkacs
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 1 to 2 with note: Thank you for help with first Qntra submission.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: We spell it AA without the periods
pete_dushenski: from the mines, "The [core] reference client isn't reallly intended to be used as a wallet. It's more for nodes and miners. Use hardware wallets, or electrum, or basically anything other than core for a wallet. If you're running core, just think of it as a node your more secure wallet connects to."
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2015 19:36:25; pete_dushenski: ima mull it over and research a little further into this 'pr' business
shinohai: The top two comments on r/btc are tweets from A.A. Is this Russia Today now?
thestringpuller: all who do not accept bitcoin jesus as their cryptolord and savior are ostracized
BingoBoingo: the /r/BTC is roger VERified
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Your eyes should be thankful
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo which is the free speech one ?
pete_dushenski: shinohai: my host also just sent me an email apologising for their recent performance and offering next month free as compensation, so i wouldn't be surprised if that was causing the auto-deaths at least.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Happens rather frequently compared to /r/bitcoin
mircea_popescu: congrats to all the shills.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 22:49:54; asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo'
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: wait which one was she on the update list?
pete_dushenski: shinohai: strangely, almost unprecedentedly, the 99996_2 node is running very smoothly atm. it's at 334k. the difference ? only -connect to a single node instead of 3-5.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A severe anti-optimization of drunkeness is where one doesn't get to pick the parts they remeber.
shinohai: pete_dushenski, just the gentleman I wished to see ...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait wut ?! << The SSBBW who did the pay for tits thing on Trilema and kept popping up in channel for a while trying to peddle more pictures of fold mold.
mircea_popescu: yeah. stupid people are never given enough credit. they're broadly speaking pliable, reliable and altogether pleasant.
mircea_popescu: "at least the stupid one shuts up."|
mircea_popescu: so there's your explanation.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what it is really like to have a moo in the house, in the bed.
asciilifeform: anyway my point was not to make fun of the predicament of zoophiliacs, but to confess that i am mostly ignorant of these
BingoBoingo remembers that one from the logs, the annoying one with Candidiasis.
mircea_popescu: so... don't laugh at the goat, you never know when you'll be riding one.
mircea_popescu: i confess i actually did a chick that was short and otherwise built entirely like a 12 boy. well, minus the penis, but boobs as big as mine et al.
mircea_popescu: gets slippery all the same.
asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine they'd also have a face you don't care for.
assbot: Dog gets credit for stopping sexual assault in southeast Missouri : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGdoIE )
mircea_popescu: must read all the words!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i confess that i haven't the faintest notion what is meant here
thestringpuller: proves 100% that excel is the biggest turd ever marketed
mircea_popescu: because of the unspoken "but what if IT breaks ME, you won't fix ME will you".
thestringpuller: visicalc is the greatest thing ever tho
mircea_popescu: at about the same time, most dudes with computer knowledge were trying to get their so/fuckdoll/cook to try computers, and dollars to donuts she said no because what if she breaks it, and he assured her she can't break it, being the idiot that he was, and that assurance didn't do anything.
asciilifeform: y'know, the first electronic spread-shit
mircea_popescu: we're discussing the bottom five billion.
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing the top 1mn here.
mircea_popescu: if you couldn't find a million not-outright-insane individuals the species would be in serious trouble huh ?
asciilifeform: just the ones ~paid for~
mircea_popescu: note the acceptance of computers in society as an exact mirror of the use of windows and apple. it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: the more powerful the tool actually is, the more it exposes possibilities, necessarily. and perversely, the more threatening it is to the typical she-office drone.
mircea_popescu: not really, the control isn't over the interaction of numbers. the control is over the possibilities of existence.
mircea_popescu: but boys can be taught to live in the same terms np, and plenty do.
mircea_popescu: anxiety is a subjective experience of loss of control. tends to be females because of accidents of their anatomy leave a mark in the early psyche.
asciilifeform: then i have nfi?
asciilifeform: is this still called 'boss screen' or am i behind the times.
mircea_popescu: they exist to assuage existential anxiety as experienced by females.
mircea_popescu: they are a security.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why would you need a spreadshit on a box where you can dynamically conjure a porthole into $arbitrarydatum onto the display ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm just going to skip over all the rutalk
asciilifeform: ^ afaik, the first carnivorous robot
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: are you familiar with the infamous mouse table ?
mircea_popescu: and the land of the lounge lizzards!
shinohai: trinque: yup, they figured out it is utter shit so they open sauced and hope someone can fix it.
trinque: shinohai: reads like they redid ethereum
mod6: this is the script that should be run to build: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh
asciilifeform: phf: you can get these in usa
phf: BingoBoingo: there's basically a ru equivalent of throwing lion cells, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/7/7d/Кипятильник.JPG
mod6: these instructions are out of date
mod6: there may be problems here: <+asciilifeform> Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb.
BingoBoingo: What is this samovar business. Real men Just throw lithium ion cells into their water with the tea leaves and a dash of salt.
shinohai: You must use a samovar to make the tea though, if you skip that step your bitcoind may function erratically.
BingoBoingo: Stec: I've only ever had 2 maximum classic nodes connected to any of mine at the same time.
Stec: They outweigh the bulk of the total of connected nodes, and will split
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Update: KncMiner is also one of the many mining operations listed to this day as supporting the ClassicCoin fork (along with Bitfury, which led the backpedalling effort after it became obvious Classiccoin does not have nor can acquire the support of key players in the market.)" ?
BingoBoingo: Stec: And a lot of them are on free AWS instances
BingoBoingo: Reddit was made exactly for the Phillipino sort of astroturf spammer
BingoBoingo: Hey, I'm just pointing out the limits of the broken
danielpbarron: they can come apologize to me if they want me back
BingoBoingo: It's what the Phillipinos do
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: make more accounts, reddit doesn't check that you use different browsers on the same machine to talk to yourself and make a one man lulz train
danielpbarron: i made two comments on the /r/bitcoin redditard thing and they don't appear from archive.is point of view ; I think i recall a moderator explaining to me that my comments in particular require moderator approval
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo considering they have no reputations or anything similar, they'll prolly list alf there next.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They still list Bitfury even though Bitfury led the "Let's all pull up our pants before MP gets here effort.
mircea_popescu: did we do the "xtg ruled" thing last time or not rly ?
Stec: you would know how I found you by accident, to the list of connected nodes
asciilifeform: phf: don't forget the built in volkov kommander !11
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes, the classic fork where they advertise pretty much everyone but F2Pool on their page even today and many of the pools have since fucked off
asciilifeform: Stec: start by building the code. we don't distribute binaries.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, this was the "classic" fork.
BingoBoingo: Ah, you mean the fork where they said every pool had committed and Antminer was the only sucker who actually did?
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 21:09:08; thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: KNC miner also committed as well.
assbot: the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, not ot be an asshole, but anything past brief inserts is pretty noisy to anyone but the select few who happen to read the language/
BingoBoingo: Who even knows anymore, but until the Pete Relations firm opens up shoop I'm trying to juggle all of the propaganda myself. I might add it if I see it or if you find it first perhaps comment it up.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo weren't they one of the "supporters" of random forks ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I forget where did kncminer offend you. I'm juggling all the things right nao.
mircea_popescu: mayhap it helps some other idiots somewhere down the line.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo plox to make the link to "you dare offend mp with your inept posturing, you die" point.
BingoBoingo: punkman: ty, fxd used to using the other word more
punkman: BingoBoingo: > "compromising 20% of their workforce"
mircea_popescu: what is "the satoshi idea" ?
mircea_popescu: why do you suppose "the ideas of satoshi" are of any particular interest anyway ? or whatever is this.
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well in the good tradition of shitcorps, they're opaque as mud, but apparently 20 or so.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where? Did the stabbing go to far? WHy are they brining guns into this?
mircea_popescu: go for it. with the scripts mod6 provides it's a breeze
BingoBoingo: My the logs accumulate after steppign away from the screen just a bit.
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
mircea_popescu: Stec http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << especially the mailing list.
mircea_popescu: the real bitcoin. as opposed to the pr-bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Stec are you running trb on them ?
asciilifeform: punkman: ty. i suspected something of the kind.
mircea_popescu: you know, the stuff they give for free at walmart ?
mircea_popescu: he eats the government cheese, just like everyone else in ebt land.
mircea_popescu: when will redditards learn that YOU DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST THE REPUBLIC ?
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 19:17:04; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree <insert random idiocy>" all over again, is it ?
mircea_popescu: davout feel free to remind them that they can keep whatever gunk they like in their IRRELEVANT distro. bitcoin foundation has bitcoin covered, nobody needs them for any purpose.
mircea_popescu: o hey there.
PeterL: thestringpuller are those freckles or pimples?
davout: anyway, the glibc dns drama seems to be yielding large amounts of lulz and butthurt
asciilifeform: how's life among the minarets of al-paris ?
asciilifeform: in the sense that b-a was the only publicly-visible hole in the 'consensus reality'
mircea_popescu: apparently a nude statemet of "florian werner knew exactly what the hole was, to an extent larger than what was at the time specified" doesn't coalesce into "holy shit, florian weimer puts the security holes in there!"
mircea_popescu: hem, including the ones that hadn't been fully characterized when he proposed it. His approach was approved by general consensus and that's what we all use today - partly because he put in the time and effort to fix the broader issue, not just the specific case that had been identified. This approach means that sometimes it takes Red Hat a while to release a fix, but when they do, it's the right fix."
mircea_popescu: "* An example of Red Hat's "find and fix the whole issue, not just the obvious part", is shell shock. After the initial CVE for shell shock, several people proposed different ways of fixing it. Florian was one, he quickly worked on it and released a proposed patch. Over the next few days there were three MORE CVEs for shell shock, covering different variations on the same theme. Florian's initial patch covered all of t
danielpbarron: where there are opponents of an oppresive distopian government as good guys, and goverment agent spies as bad guys trying to sabotage the missions
danielpbarron: there's lots of similar games; I prefer one called "The Resistance"
danielpbarron: the good guys have to figure out who he is over the course of days and nights. The yandere can optionally kill people at night
danielpbarron: a bot randomly assigns roles to anyone who wants to play, at least one of which is a murder guy called the 'yandere'
danielpbarron: when i play games in which i might be a secret bad guy type thing, I still don't lie about it. I just don't say anything one way or the other. This means not talking too much even as one of the good guys, so it won't look out of place when I'm a bad guy
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407297 << on that note, one time in his #yandere channel he lied about whether he was the yandere or not, and killed everyone :<
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: snore.
asciilifeform: of course this is a trick question, because presently no box on the net is a (1)
asciilifeform: 2) the kind that is behind impenetrable and entirely nonpublic wall, a la gossipd, and deals only with cryptoidentifiable peers.
asciilifeform: 1) the kind that processes ALL INPUTS at LINE SPEED
asciilifeform: ultimately, there are precisely two kinds of possible bitcoin node:
asciilifeform: as per the 'nobody gets jack shit just for showing up' law.
asciilifeform: incidentally i see no reason why any trb node ought to allow a tx (mempool, vs in-block) to consume more cpu time than it took to receive from the nic.
mircea_popescu: that enchanted thing that never existed except in retrospect, when some derp is complaining to the judge that someone else "ruined it".
mircea_popescu: more like the equivalent of "domestic bliss" from the lulzy institution of singles-marriage.
phf: "important fixes" is the equivalent of "here be dragons" from medieval cartography
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 19:18:49; punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407285 << 'Note that the attacker does not need to sign the inputs nor to have the full block-chain to perform the attack. He only requires the hashes of all previous transactions...' << why not check the sigs ~first~, before fetching anything ?
mircea_popescu: <shinohai> "The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK << needless to say, no one "sane" for that definition of sane has anything of any value or interest to offer, to anyone.
asciilifeform: generally it is a process resembling apiculture. no one individually orders a bee to pollinate a particular plant. bees - are introduced, do their thing. likewise dreppers.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller luke-jr also claimed bfl delivered his order. then it turned out it was a "prototype" and outright payola.
mircea_popescu: we found them, then "they found them first".
punkman: did the power rangers ever find a remote code execution vuln?
mircea_popescu: so they gotta pretend there's this mystical reservoir of metaphysics that'll readily provide differentiation qs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mircea_popescu ? <<< you know, if you ask obama what exactly is his contribution past blind tom wiggins he'll also say "important security fixes". it is somehow inadherent to the common mentality of usians to flatly admit "nothing really - i'm just a nigger slave singing for massah, nothing changed in two centuries."
shinohai: "The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK
punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree <insert random idiocy>" all over again, is it ?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: he was never actually even in their wot as far as i can tell
asciilifeform: (none of the items mentioned therein match thestringpuller's description)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: link ?
punkman: hard to figure this out since they didn't note them in changelogs
thestringpuller: But that seems not to be feasible in the wild.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Luke-JR claimed that a rogue miner could push TRB nodes with blocks that aren't valid and fool them.
asciilifeform: but what are they talking about ?
asciilifeform: the prb folks never fail to disgorge this line
assbot: Why is the UK still printing its laws on vellum? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkM2E )
asciilifeform: i don't think i'll bother posting there again.
PeterL: I just got this email at work: "In celebration of receiving a shipment of Baboon semen please enjoy a cream filled treat in the kitchen."
PaulCapestany: mircea_popescu thanks for the rating
punkman: because I don't care whether it has 150 embedded webfonts . since I'm not loading them
punkman: "works without javascript" is the important part, which is hard to calculate with machine
assbot: The worm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9StM )
asciilifeform: but the real thing - not.
assbot: The top 3 best self-introductions in #bitcoin-assets to date on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9vzr )
mircea_popescu: that's bizarre, they're all fed from the same place.
assbot: The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the blackout re: trb is more or less total, don't expect miracles
mircea_popescu: aite then!
trinque: "purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin"
mircea_popescu: i see "n A Soundstage - Among The Papier Machee, volume 8, and the make-up and blocking... good lord. Mamet's wife has that short cropped "rape & attempted suicide survivor" look sterile women " ;/
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407146 >> purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin <<
PaulCapestany: thestringpuller: thanks, checking that out
thestringpuller: the getting started page is a bit easier to follow tho
BingoBoingo: PaulCapestany: Yes, otherwise you can register a GPG key, introduce yourself, and mebbe voice yourself
yamamushi: How does one go about starting out on the WoT ?
PaulCapestany: sorry, new to this chat, what's the !up about?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this possibru even.
danielpbarron: if if do the selecting, yes
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 16:43:29; asciilifeform: possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ?
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407058 << it never worked for me, which I think i pointed out when it was first deployed. Ironically, I was the inspiration for the select script being included into trilema in the first place. It works for me if I am the one who did the selecting.
asciilifeform: why should the folks who ran glibc still have coin?
asciilifeform: imho the enemy simple isn't bleeding enough.
mircea_popescu: so by this logic they don't believe in "bringing democracy" to various countries, because the people arguing for it are obvious usg shills ?
trinque understands better (he thinks) the "keep it" in "a republic, if you can keep it", and also the absurdity of to whom that was supposedly addressed
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
asciilifeform: (rather than what is normally presented as 'coding ability' in idiot industry, this being - quickly and accurately solving the non-problems posed by non-people)
asciilifeform: the interesting variable here is the ability to ~select problems~
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the kids [like to {pretend like they're}] think{ing}, coding ability is a relatively unimportant consideration. political ability, in the very simple sense of a mental capacity for ownership, is the larger half.
mircea_popescu: yeah. meanwhile, as far as usable software is concerned, ownership is both an absolute bar to shitgnomery and as near as i can determine the only workable basis.
mircea_popescu: well... so now you see why exactly i say patriotism. who the fuck dies to defend... 8ball motels ?
mircea_popescu: (i am not, as it may appear on the strength of the rarity of such arcane knowledge, proposing that this is some sort of better or ideal solution. it is merely different. lettuce not fall into 1900s orientalism over here.)
asciilifeform: and not the swankiest possible hotel, either.
asciilifeform: 'where is the man who will die for a hotel?'
asciilifeform: it is not only that 'office drone' has no knife and never swung a fist in his life and etc. as mircea_popescu probably imagines. though all of this is true. it is ALSO that the street is NOT HIS
mircea_popescu: "it's my fucking street, because i am walking on it, and if you wish to be here, you'll play by my rules, all of them, right now"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now think about it : would random usian engage hobo on the grounds that "fuck you, be quiet, you're living on MY street" on the simple grounds of ~having been passing by there~ ?
trinque: the state is the ultimate owner of all property, so they told the bois. how then could anyone possibly have territory?
mircea_popescu: a fine example in this vein would be the case of a late night trip, during which a drunk hobo on the street started growling, and a random, accountant-looking bypasser yelled him down.
mircea_popescu: the boi, in this case, is theo de radt, but he's not so dissimilar from any other esl speaker.
asciilifeform: what in this case means patriotism ? who are the bois ?
asciilifeform: but i still don't get (am i thick?) the point about 'the patriotism' of 'the bois'
asciilifeform: possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ?
mircea_popescu: i really liked the indicating.
mircea_popescu: "the young man's father, a smart fellow who has bought hook line and sinker into the theory that satisfying the desires of women is more important than satisfying the needs of men."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately the highlight thing displays ~nowhere~ i've tried it on.
mircea_popescu: the current crop of bois have all the patriotism of a wet noodle.
assbot: The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the more interesting question is how they managed to steal it without buying theo << this is deeply uninteresting, as it's well documented. see for instance http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#selection-89.0-89.179
trinque: asciilifeform: were the dbusified ports tree otherwise, would that change your assessment of obsd?
asciilifeform: though the systemd folks are working day and night, for this.
asciilifeform: but there is not ~yet~ a linux kernel equivalent of dbus cancer
trinque: asciilifeform: yes, but did they not affect decisions elsewhere in the kernel?
BingoBoingo: Likely starting with the Bob Beck fellow
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