kuzetsa: in the vi/emacs debate, I'm in the nano/scintilla camp being clueless about the substance of the argument
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2016 02:52:19; mircea_popescu: what happened is - we used gribble wot. then gribbe was offline unexpectedly, and its maintainer wasn't talking. he was traveling at the time, as we later found out. nevertheless, for those few days the situation was indistinguishable from an attack and so we made a replacement.
kuzetsa: so it's a mirror then?
kuzetsa: YOU'RE the guilty party
kuzetsa: and maybe 1 other person
kuzetsa: <an op or two who uprated me> ~ specifically I mean #bitcoin-otc and #bitcoin ones... at some point I think people in here had a falling out with them
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for kuzetsa with note: for the voice
adlai: beautiful red hot economy, until the guy with the pickup truck shows up (existing bike rental companies do this backwards)
adlai waits for the sharing economy (bike rental) to make sweet decentralized love with the service economy (relocating to meet expected demand)... lard and lazy pay swole to pump
pete_dushenski: the whole 'red hot economy' spectacle really isn't as attractive first-hand as it is on paper, at least aesthetically.
phf: there are parts by the waterfront where on weekends you can see an assortment of underclasses and weirdos. mexicans fishing, blacks riding dirt bikes, white trash drinking. kind of cool, i'll take that anytime over the overdeveloped DC
phf: i agree though, i like that philly is a no mans land, since there's no developers or Control or particularly strong presence of usg.
pete_dushenski: the apes don't have cranes, wrecking balls, and tnt
pete_dushenski: at least the ghetto creep is...slow
phf: on the other hand you have fishtown and north, forther industrial centers (long out of business companies that used to make ship and locomotive engines and such) are now either ghettos or white trash areas.
pete_dushenski: phf: trust me when i saw that it's even worse when the arivistes come rampaging through town in a flurry of nownownow-ism and tear the whole lot down right before your eyes.
phf: on one hand you have areas past art museum, which are basically abandoned lands of early american aristocracy. donated to "the people" to take care of, now they exist as ghetto bordering no mans lands.
pete_dushenski: but with no economic pressure to tear down those monuments in philly, they're not going anywhere either. and good bones on a city can always find new uses, even if there are fits and starts between 'ideal' (ie. high cultural) uses.
assbot: Phys. Rev. Lett. 116, 052501 (2016) - Candidate Resonant Tetraneutron State Populated by the $^{4}\mathrm{He}(^{8}\mathrm{He},^{8}\mathrm{Be})$ Reaction ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xz3E0p )
BingoBoingo: In other news, this helium is defective http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.052501
pete_dushenski: of the dozen or two us cities i've visited in the last decade, i couldn't agree more.
pete_dushenski: really, this is every bit as tragic as swapping sons before eating them.
pete_dushenski: phf: from the pics at least it looks rather beautiful. reminds me that the us once had great people building great monuments to culture and success. it's easy to forget that on the detritus-filled web.
BingoBoingo: You need the study cages to have graduate studies
pete_dushenski: which, at this point, have exactly the same demo, so i can see it
BingoBoingo: Also real libraries put the desks in cages
assbot: Phillips Exeter Academy Library - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAbJSU )
phf: library of congress obviously, but also all the ivies have magnificent libraries
adlai: BingoBoingo: flashbacks, to days scanning barcodes in a lawfirm 'library' off the P3 (that's three floors, in the parking direction)
pete_dushenski: phf: the old cities (nyc, chi, dc) all have at least a few, to be sure
phf: pete_dushenski: there's a couple of nice libraries in this country too
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyways, this is the actual library life. http://library.atu.edu/about/vtour/images/vt36.jpg
pete_dushenski: two points to anyone who recognises that picture of the library above. (if you'd been, you'd remember it!)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: That's the lobby
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: o we do, but my evenings are spent in the quiet comfort of my personal residential library, not on the street.
pete_dushenski: http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles/86128/projects/144664/861281226079103.jpg << THIS is the library life. not some goddam twobit public pisshole for treaty 6ers
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I just though since you were in the big city you had that kind with the hobopiss
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: the fuck... not ~public~ library life. who the fuck visits those for more than the 30 seconds required to walk to shelf, to checkout, and back out
BingoBoingo: Come on, there's plenty of it. What else do you call the homeless people watching porn on the public terminals if not noise
pete_dushenski: there's no background noise in library life
BingoBoingo: pretty sure the episode was simply titled "Jewbilee" though
pete_dushenski: you remember the season ? i can add it to the list of shows i pretend that i'll watch one day
BingoBoingo: They were pretty clear. You go to jewbilee to make macaroni pictures to please moses
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: if you're a liberal-atheist-spinozist-jewbilee, there's not really anyone to kick you off your 'table for one'
pete_dushenski: i also can't stand the texture of mashed potatoes, which doesn't seem to be derived from scum-sucking bottom-feeders, so i probably shouldn't blame the good book too much
pete_dushenski: though i do blame kashrut (at least partly) for turning me off shellfish quite entirely. though i suspect that most of it is the unsavoury texture of the shit.
pete_dushenski: well obviously kashrut is for the truly vapid
pete_dushenski: the world can use a good pissing off now and again, like the body can use a little rhinovirus here and there. helps keep everyone fresh.
pete_dushenski: but even this 'poor track record' is nothing but the regular stressors needed to weed out the truly idiotic from the slightly less idiotic
BingoBoingo: I mean when the choice is polish ovens or not chosen...
pete_dushenski: better chosen for 'bad' college football team then not selected to any team at all, neh ?
BingoBoingo: I dunno, member of the tribe seem to have a poor track record when it comes to getting chosen for things by other groups
pete_dushenski: just because you're not a ~billionaire~ with x-ray vision, i forgot to mention that part. and if you tell me that you're also a billionaire, that's ok too because there are more parts i haven't mentioned yet!'
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 16:20:50; mircea_popescu: i shall now be quiet while alf, who has never set foot in california, proceeds to explain to people who live there how the place is.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408407 << you don't understand dirigible fantasies. it's like every comic book fan's overactive imagination telling him that 'if i only has x-ray vision i'd get so much pussy'. and then mousy radiologist (as they tend to be, in my experience), asks comicfan 'have you ever seen something with x-ray vision ? i'm not quite sure it's how you imagine.' 'nonsense, that's
mircea_popescu: in somewhat other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/205fc2394e3169753298a37dfdaf8032/tumblr_ncvbzdIATa1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408301 << brush off one ddos and 'to the moon' ? did i miss a meta-qntra memo here or what
pete_dushenski: fuck won't be making uni appear to be the sine qua non for adult life that it was presented to me as.
pete_dushenski: obviously, this afternoon, and the fact that i'd be nutso to enter into a 20-year contract with a non-entity is why i will under no circumstances, and quite to the contrary of 'every is doing it' advice from the whole peanut gallery of well-meaning busy bodies, be starting an 'resp' account (registered educational savings plan) for my kid(s). if they want to go to law or something, i'll pony up, but if i sure as
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:25:47; mircea_popescu: but, fortunately for it, the us has nothing to offer. it'd be an active safari grounds for live slaves, if the women weren't generally ugly and universally fat. it is being raided to shit by indian/chinese people for whatever shreds of prestige it may have left, tho from what i hear us diplomas are becoming 2nd rate in beijing these days.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408267 << /me can't believe how much worse this exact phenomenon has become in just the last decade. i was in the new engineering 'innovation centre' on campus today (mostly materials engineering) and every single last motherfucking dude was straight off the boat from india or china. i don't think there are two white dudes per floor at this point.
adlai: then you get some income too
adlai: trinque: you should collect the deedynickles, i haven't swept in a while
trinque: adlai: there is a cost to accepting stupid money
mircea_popescu: you just don't understand how the world warms.
asciilifeform: 42 motherfucking c?! is he posting from his tank?!
adlai in his own defence asked the guy to ~specify~ what exactly the fuck he expected this thing to do... "you're the technical guy, that's your job"
asciilifeform: i don't think my cpu thermistor even is at 42c on most days!111
asciilifeform: i am not in the habit of prodding people, but can't help but prod adlai. it is almost as if he were put upon the earth by the gods themselves just to add to shiva.scm.
adlai: well, i'm overbullshitting my familiarity with build systems... but the fact that i can run make doesn't mean i'm benefitting from any of the Vification.
asciilifeform: even builds own compiler, so long as you can dig up some gcc post-1995 or so that will build the current gcc
adlai: shiva is an A1 tease but i still need to build the damn thing!
adlai: asciilifeform: patches are a ways aways. i'm still figuring out this whole C++ mess... last time i dealt with these shits i had MSVC+CLR to back me up, never touched the keyboard. click click click.
mircea_popescu: the acct bs never worked right
adlai: the lisp code would've been neat if the damn powerrangers could keep their helptext syntax uniform! /rant
adlai actually wrote out ~4 of these rpc wrappers by hand before fuckiting
adlai digs up the shithub
adlai: ahh, the btc package
adlai has never rubbed more than two digits together at once, with his own grubby paws
trinque: orifice to shit txn into and way to find out the balance of any address at the current state and you're good.
trinque: I shall back up the wallet for dissection and rescan, I suppose
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/9f624bed34b9584ee03c017017fd4ec0/tumblr_ndpdngIjcZ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
adlai: so i'd actually say it's a move in the right direction, regardless of the authors's's position
adlai: paper is about Bitcoin, and dozens of hypothetical bitcoins (lowercase)
BingoBoingo: adlai: A position paper is liek the vocabulary suggests, a paper that "advances" a particular political position
BingoBoingo: K, the bitbet affliate link thing probably has a place, but likely as part of a larger monetization effort when that time comes. I'm uncertain on this matter at this moment.
adlai: everybody needs a server they wouldn't be caught dead on
adlai: (authors should not get to pick the links... or maybe you disagree?)
adlai: ben_vulpes: don't worry someday the kid might grow up
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you just don't understand how the world works
adlai: woah ben_vulpes since when does the IFF have its own cloakmasks?
adlai: draw pentagrams in the middle of stack, return to office supply warehouse, rinse, repeat
adlai: is it black which soaks all other inks, or do you have some sorta gouach that can paint over it?
adlai adds this to the list of "music i know thanks to violent video games"
ben_vulpes: today i cover staff desks in black post it notes with pentagrams drawn on them
adlai blames the image similarity neural networks for reading his mind wrt the language (since half the channel probably didn't notice anything wrong with the first one)
asciilifeform: and speaking of, why has ussa not adopted the wonderful custom of playing 'swan lake' when politburo man dies ?
mircea_popescu: wait ... is pat moorhead married to a fellow named moorhead, who is the head of moor something or the other ?
mircea_popescu: "best proof point windows maintains the favour of nazi hq"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same thing they were doing earlier with 10 million older solitaire stations !
mircea_popescu: da fuck are they doing with 4mn solitare statuions.
jurov: http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/17/technology/windows-10-pentagon/ "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter has ordered all 4 million of the Pentagon's PCs to be upgraded to Windows 10 within the next 12 months."
trinque: I'm happy to be human search while there isn't one
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would it be listed under that ooooooohhh
mircea_popescu: you know i just searched the page source for deedbot.org, deedbot.org/bundle-393434.txt not in there
mircea_popescu: trinque it was the dividends for mpoe and bbet
trinque: I'll see if I can find what block happened near there
mircea_popescu: trinque there's something very weird going on with deedbot.org ? can you help me locate http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371189 for instance ?
gribble: Bitcoin address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 ...: <https://bitcoinchain.com/block_explorer/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9>; Introducing A New Bitcoin Foundation | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-a-new-bitcoin-foundation/>; The Treasurer's Contract - The Bitcoin Foundation: <http://thebitcoin.foundation/treasurer_contract.html>
mircea_popescu: which is why all the derpage around anonimity, as if it were a thing.
mircea_popescu: humans are built upon identity. mooman's delusions of humanity are built on the perceived or constructed impossibility of identity.
mircea_popescu: quite the point.
asciilifeform strongly suspects that the very notion of ~identity~ is Ur-terrifying to monkey man
mircea_popescu: well sure. we're agreeing with you there.
asciilifeform: but point was, i bet monkey cannot actually conceive of the 'no hardcoded seed thing'
mircea_popescu: iirc bluematt had some sort of stupid thing to help the network lie about how connected it is
asciilifeform: yes (though this was not even the main lul)
mircea_popescu: sipa is the wuille derp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some monkey in the reddit thread
asciilifeform: actually thought, or pretended to, that we hardcoded the idiot sipa seed thing
mircea_popescu: the who ?
asciilifeform: consider, for instance, the anon who 'who'll be laughing when peter todd changes hosting providers'
mircea_popescu: box gotta read the lolpics each morning.
asciilifeform: i think that a more elementary thing is at work - these folks literally can't imagine a box other than 'ubuntu', rathead, etc. with 'autoupdater' and the like
mircea_popescu: it's a deeply telling thing. THEY don't know what the fuck they are by themselves. why would a box.
asciilifeform: the other lul from the thread was the people (?) vigorously denying that a unix box could run without ever invoking dns
asciilifeform: afaik all literate folk know about, e.g., the auschwitz inmates who collected scraps of german uniforms, etc.
asciilifeform: there was a spiffy mircea_popescu article where he discusses how victim with no recourse internally re-wires itself
mircea_popescu: but, as any rapist knows, the best thing for that trade is a ready supply of victims who will deny the deed. "i was never raped!11"
mircea_popescu: this is plainly how you know who was behind upkeeping the scam,
asciilifeform made the mistake of looking at yesterday's reddit thread. barfalicious.
asciilifeform: (the folks who laughed when i said 'no curl on trb build box' - still laughing ?)
asciilifeform: hey i specialize in uselessly predicting crapocalypses years before they happen.
asciilifeform: (left as an exercise for the reader, how.)
asciilifeform: oh one other thing, blocks really ought to live on a storage device where connecting tx outputs is a constant-time operation.
mircea_popescu: yeah but you don't want to keep changing things either
asciilifeform: blocks really oughta live on storage that doesn't measurably wear. luckily this was invented in the '70s, and is called antifuse rom.
asciilifeform: or rather, raid5 will prevent the machine from coughing up corrupted blocks, but enemy can still drive you into penury by inducing wear
mircea_popescu: also - there's a reason ssd in raid.
asciilifeform: *these links
asciilifeform: jurov: these likes are from my recent attempt to locate a modern supplier of antifuse rom of reasonable density
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (the baltics were even more prolific champs)
asciilifeform: ahahaha the poles
BingoBoingo: Cool. My daffodils survived last week's snows with leaves intact. Mininal brown on the tips.
mircea_popescu: in other news, my mint is blooming.
asciilifeform: one of the reasons i wrote 'g' (which remains unreleasable, ty mircea_popescu for the block cipher lulz, aha) is that the public node is not a sustainable thing.
BingoBoingo: Or the female to mayo transgenders
asciilifeform: as for travellers, when the known world was a cold and empty place, and wolves outnumbered wanderers 9000 to 1, etc. - it was a different thing.
asciilifeform: whether in application to servers, or hordes of migrants, or wherever else.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one way or another, folks will learn to respect the 'give nothing to stranger for showing up' theorem.
mircea_popescu: the caek produced the conclusion that there is nothing useful here - the heuristic value of a concept of "size" in evaluating the matter wholly comes from the evaluation that had been already pre-baked in the "size".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how was the caek ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Since July "SPV" in power ranger and other usage has gone from describing a specific class of idiocy to describing a more general class of turds.
asciilifeform: and the heathens who never heard of malleus can talk to them to their heart's delight.
phf: debord wrote this in 67, he then wrote an update in the 80s, "everything has gotten even worse then i expected", promptly shooting himself
phf: the commodity. Like the old religious fetishism, with its convulsionary raptures and miraculous cures, the fetishism of commodities generates its own moments of fervent arousal. All this is useful for only one purpose: producing habitual submission.
phf: The satisfaction that no longer comes from using the commodities produced in abundance is now sought through recognition of their value as commodities. Consumers are filled with religious fervor for the sovereign freedom of commodities whose use has become an end in itself. Waves of enthusiasm for particular products are propagated by all the communications media. [...] Reified people proudly display the proofs of their intimacy with
hanbot: i suspect the recognition that things can actually be useful rather than superficially ego-satisfying is a more and more rare occurrence. or by now, ability. which explains a lot of the stupidity, but doesn't excuse it.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: That's actually a serious problem. Being excited about things for their "product" -ness and not that part where they are useful as things.
hanbot: "review". aka "say anonderp, i'm having trouble fitting my pretensions and emotional minutiae in a finite space. would you ask me how i feel about shit and host the results?"
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/iaSEu << lulz an anti-qntra writes glowing review of another anti-qntra
mircea_popescu: sorta like "size in the mind of the strategist". clean, elite units loom large. complex, large elucubrations are barely noted.
mircea_popescu: something intuitively comprehensible as more akin the german-pioneered "tank shadow" item. whereby a unit was represented as a blob function of both its strength/battle readiness and it's mobility.
asciilifeform: this is a hilarious reversal of the old classic thread between asciilifeform and mircea_popescu re: 'programming == webdev'
mircea_popescu: much to my chagrin, neither do i. it is at best an experience-bound heuristic atm.
mircea_popescu: note in any case that while the logic is correct, " on the expectation that size and competency correlate", it is NOT the case that what is meant by size is what'd intuitively appear.
mircea_popescu: it's turworlds all the way down.
asciilifeform: (to them!)
asciilifeform: for the folks inside - it is very large indeed.
asciilifeform: in the same sense as north kr is small.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one neutral construction here would be that the larger the item under discussion, the more likely you are to credit ability and the less likely to credit happenstance, on the expectation that size and competency correlate.
asciilifeform: now orc monkeys are not the sharpest tools in the shed, true - have you ~seen~ a trojan of recent vintage? 19/20 are in vb
mircea_popescu: going into detail does not change the above.
asciilifeform: not precisely. re: qntra, i specifically think that the 'they don't exist, don't look there, nothing to see' field generator is operating so well, that they no longer see any need to draw attention with ddos.
mircea_popescu: it is a purely aesthetic choice. you realise this ?
mircea_popescu: when imperial instrument succeeded in keeping enemies at bay, you credited the exquisite intrinsic superiority of imperial instrument.
mircea_popescu: when republican instrument succeeded in keeping enemies at bay, you credited lack of interest on the part of the enemies.
mircea_popescu: could just as well be presented the other way around, you know ? if you're going to assign good/bad arbitrarily, might as well allign the needle backwards.
mircea_popescu: why the specific choice ?
mircea_popescu: you DID say the exact this re qntra and ddos yest.
mircea_popescu: why don't you say "clearly nobody gives a shit about apple or its products - so few vulnerabilities they can almost chase them all down"
asciilifeform: and then any jailbreak aficionado who has the misfortune to powercycle his box, is fucked
asciilifeform: when they leak out, are typically patched in a few days
mircea_popescu: purely aesthetic choice, this.
asciilifeform: just that the 0days are few and carefully hoarded by aficionados.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fact that jailbreaking is a thing reveals that apple has not 'done it'
asciilifeform: rather than any civilized concept of security
mircea_popescu: but not one that rowhammers the fuck out of it ?
mircea_popescu: must be because in spanish then.
asciilifeform: malicious app can only try to trick the user into revealing secret. it cannot, e.g., access the file system (you are not permitted fopen() ... )
asciilifeform: and yes, this is achieved at the cost of apps not having any access to the file system, etc.
mircea_popescu: i thought theres one a week.
asciilifeform: and believe or not, folks ~like~ the censorship. in the sense that there are no public infectors, in the usual sense, for crapple ipnohe.
mircea_popescu: have you EVEN SEEN the appstore ?
mircea_popescu: not the apple store ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point was that if you wanted to make own touchatronic os, it would be considerably cheaper to use a handset from another vendor.
mircea_popescu: " lazy general usian population / anti-entrepreneurial spirited usian elite will concede the point ot them."
asciilifeform: the 'open sores' world wasn't even able to cough up a mouse gui that didn't trigger anaphylactic shock in half the users
mircea_popescu: i don't care about apple products altogether.
asciilifeform: on touch screen ? who wants to write the gui ? mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu understands that nobody buys the motherfucking phone for the hardware, right ?
mircea_popescu: to me it was "take apple out of the apple product".
asciilifeform: say i replace apple's cpu with samsung's hypothetical pin-compatible one. now what ?
asciilifeform: am i mistaken re: what the discussion even was ?
mircea_popescu: "saudi woman can drive a car - by driving a model car in the garage!!1"
asciilifeform: by running one of the heavily obfuscated auto-jailbreakatrons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there. "you can't get in".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if "samsung sells not only to crapple", thus therefore the normal chip can be had.
asciilifeform: where there
mircea_popescu: so in other words, the results of this discussion are - that apple isn't there yet, but it'd love to pretend like it is, and lazy general usian population / anti-entrepreneurial spirited usian elite will concede the point ot them.
asciilifeform: everything else is custom at least in the metallization layer sense
mircea_popescu: packaging even as bga is spurious in the constraints
asciilifeform: and the chips - be purchased die-only
asciilifeform: i expect that at some point it will be fused with the lcd glass
mircea_popescu: funny how space is not a consideration there lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they quit making carrier-specific version, so yes, it has ~every~ modem.
mircea_popescu: "Apple A8 APL1011 SoC + SK Hynix RAM as denoted by the markings H9CKNNN8KTMRWR-NTH (we presume it is 1 GB LPDDR3 RAM, the same as in the iPhone 6 Plus) ; Qualcomm MDM9625M LTE Modem ; Skyworks 77802-23 Low Band LTE PAD ; Avago A8020 High Band PAD ; Avago A8010 Ultra High Band PA + FBARs ; Skyworks 77803-20 Mid Band LTE PAD ; InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo"