ben_vulpes: imagine logs as forum threads, where a link to a previous log line bumps the whole thread
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://ftp.mcs.anl.gov/pub/qed/archive/209 << interesting re: 'v mathematics' (or rather, what happens without)
jurov: he named it "the government in session": http://www.mordor.sk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Ujo_Sochar.jpg
assbot: key derivation - Why does the FBI ask Apple for help to decrypt an iPhone? - Cryptography Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1WuksV8 )
asciilifeform: http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/32886/why-does-the-fbi-ask-apple-for-help-to-decrypt-an-iphone << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: http://hackaday.com/2015/07/29/review-single-board-65c02-and-65c816-computers << vintage lulz. check out the monkeys in the comments - 'this suxx! not modern!111 not arm!11 no pr0gr3ss!'
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: it works as it. In the future, just avoid nesting quotes in lists
BingoBoingo: I'll mess with the html
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: nevermind, found the tags
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: over the giant chunk of logs
peterl: not just at this stage. We need to get away from the advertising revenue model, cause it sucks
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Looks like <blockquote> is missing. deweird the html and resubmit
linton_s_dawson: If done properly it may get enough traffic to earn from advertisement? And then distribute earnings to contributors.
peterl: linton_s_dawson there have been several suggested ways to summarize logs, but nobody has taken the time/put in the effort yet
peterl: it's like syncing the blockchain, it takes forever, and you have to keep connected once you do catch up
linton_s_dawson: So the idea is to create "The b-a chronicles" that will highlight important events/discussions/propositions with links to the context. Catching up will boil down to picking a specific date and seeing what happened on that day in a simple manner with links to the context.
linton_s_dawson: It goes without saying that catching up with everything since the beginning (if you are new blood) is tiresome. You could use Search to find discussions on specific topics but will still miss something important.
linton_s_dawson: I thought about what may improve the TMSR infrastructure and figured that the logs themselves are somewhat difficult to navigate. "Catching up" with the logs means reading through the whole conversation until you stumble upon what matters. I.e. "a new patch was proposed" or "MP uncovered the next scam in the making".
BingoBoingo: In the end even USG scammed by BFL.
BingoBoingo: What, do people not believe me when I suggest I supplement the powers of the internet with broadcast radio?
shinohai: I should make a BitBet as to whether Donald Trumps sues Pope Francis over his comments today.
adlai: arguably, now that bitbet is getting more advertising, punkman owns part of a brand; practically speaking, one can't buy the bitbet brand without enriching punkman a little (short of shorting s.bbet a lottle)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: dividend is the only way to get continuous milk from the cow, instead of meat
asciilifeform: the 'value so long as everybody doesn't sell' doesn't interest me a lick.
asciilifeform: wtf is the point of that
asciilifeform: punkman: did you ever actually calculate the EV or just handwaving ?
asciilifeform: or i can go to the street and burn a pyre of money. it is moar fun.
asciilifeform: don't need to spend the 10 min.
asciilifeform: i can lose downstairs in the lottery machine.
punkman: you wait another month maybe
asciilifeform: then what ?
punkman: you buy 2k MPOE shares for 0.00055, you sell them at 0.00056, make enough for the fee. takes about 10 minutes every 6 months.
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but i call things that require daily sweat to keep from going to shit - 'jobs'. and i want ~fewer~ of these rather than moar.
asciilifeform: re: earlier thread, i often wonder what fraction of jurov's customers earn back the fee
trinque: I can get behind the notion that limiting it to one puts pressure on keeping the make system small.
asciilifeform: it intereferes with fits-in-head and therefore harmful.
asciilifeform: another if we're splitting things for no apparent reason
asciilifeform: it is one thing if it is a heathen dep that pre-existed trb, e.g., boost
trinque: you're opposed to folders in a build tree having their own makefiles?
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 16:59:55; trinque: asciilifeform: so, other than clean nuking deps, what did you hate about the makefiles ?
peterl: aha, I understand, just poking the bear
peterl: and if you bitbet well, you beat the house, right?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now you know! they harvest the lower horn of the bipedal african rhino...
asciilifeform: and if i vegas well, i can beat the house in vegas, ahaha
mircea_popescu: now i get chinese language viagra spam referencing the putative sexual prowess of black people from africa.
asciilifeform: peterl: why the FUCK would i let it MELT
asciilifeform: it is difficult to avoid having some coin, i occasionally take it ~in~ but - other than bitbet - have nothing on which to use it
asciilifeform ~has~ a little of just about everything on the periodic table, and moar
BingoBoingo: for srs, this started right the fuck after miners came around to vetoing classiccoin
mircea_popescu: turns out in retrospect the only thing distinguishing humans and dog vomit was poor connectivity. once that was fixed...
mircea_popescu: neither. just... goos along.
mircea_popescu: can you explain the difference between israel as it is and israel occupied by two feet tall grey goo ?
mircea_popescu: simple thermodynamics requires this situation to destabilize over time.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the game of musical chairs is that 10 trn imaginary tokens were distributed between three exactly identical slashdots such that two got > 99%.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's not that. it's that google is desperate for stuff to make the shareholders dream another year.
mircea_popescu: adlai in principle, showing that "seed" from sewer or palace leads to the same result is ~= to proof the process is pure metaphysics.
adlai: this is apparently some point of pride for folks in the "the machine does everything, i just gave birth" crowd
adlai: asciilifeform: hearsay traces back to the paper! the team claims not to seed with a single pro game.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm serious. Cool things happen near the compact shelving and study cages because the undergrads wonder who the fuck goes there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consumer level security is always an affair directed more at the neighbour's teenaged sons than anything.
asciilifeform: ng their home as a viable target for an attacker.'
asciilifeform: 'This simple vulnerability is particularly alarming because; 1) it exists within a “security product” that is trusted to secure over a million homes; 2) it enables an attacker to completely own the system (i.e., disable it, change PIN codes, etc.), and; 3) many unsuspecting consumers prominently display window and yards signs promoting their use of this system…essentially self-identifyi
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://blog.ioactive.com/2016/02/remotely-disabling-wireless-burglar.html
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: re: library life. In my picuture what do you think the dude was browsing for? Big library eans it takes time to find the nekkid.
adlai: iirc this is in the video. hang on.
adlai: discussion of alphago on several sites mentions hearsay-level evidence that the bot facing Fan Hui had only ever 'studied' amateur games, or its own games.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to say 'take this pile of life&death problem books and solve all 10,001 problems' is the only thing.
mircea_popescu: (i don't believe in teaching go. which is to say - i do not believe there is a single thing you can say to a new player whicfh provably does more good than bad.)
adlai: the only unknown in the story is what happens when the seed set includes professional matches... my inkling so far is that amateur matches include good moves, professional matches include less bad ones
asciilifeform: whereby the whole thing is quite snore
asciilifeform: adlai: this is actually sop in the machine-go business
adlai: thus the navel gazing comment. it seems to me that alphago-which-beat-fanhui was analogous to an amateur who spent 1000 "human-years" of time playing against itself, and now has enough "spider sense" for macro-tactics to almost fake understanding strategy
mircea_popescu: and the whole nn talk is just smoke and mirrors built atop that simple idea, basically.
mircea_popescu: my understanding, quite rudimentary i admit, is that instead of iterating through all possible single-move changes to the board, the machine iterates through "all commonly seen cluster-level changes to the board".
adlai: the only possible hope I see for a surprise victory is if something qualitatively different happens once they seed the whole story with professional matches. the 'instance' (in the sense of (make-instance 'alphago), not in the sense of "machine") which beat Fan Hui was seeded off amateur games alone.
mircea_popescu: adlai i didn't get the idea alphago was a single instance.
assbot: The all-American asshole, in his own words, with my own notes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIi3El )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/ << other case study, same navel grazer.
adlai: mircea_popescu: as i understand it, 'alphago' is a system for training a go-move-scoring ANN against itself, from an initial seed of positions taken from human games. the product of this is a single instance which can play a game against a human, or itself, and "learn" - producing another instance of itself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was re the entire marginal autistic child trapped in an adult body thing.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409033 << more than 7, where the fuck you gonna find that many brit lassies that aren't overweight and sober enough to stand ? << Universities get them visiting in groups sometimes. The missed the travel warning.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 14:00:42; mircea_popescu: and there's a pile of observations to be had there, such as "the result of an aggregate is a woman ?!" and so on, but i'm too lazy.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409517 << recall the thread re: eysenck's 'psychoticism trait' ?
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 13:54:45; mircea_popescu: the inconvenient truth of the matter is that there isn't enough hope to go around to everyone ; and moreover that intelligence per se is a miserable predictor for this.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 15:03:17; adlai: mircea_popescu: sounds like you should have the girls start up an herbalife/"soylent cream is sheeple" competitor! but what you & peterl say makes me question my understanding of ANNs (or that of people who say that AlphaGo is still "learning" while gazing deeper into its own navel)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409548 << laugh, but as a schoolboy i wanted to build exactly this. even wrote lengthy treatise turd concerning it. even bought fpga (and then realized that i have no way to attach it to a board, 0.5mm pitch)
adlai: mircea_popescu: sounds like you should have the girls start up an herbalife/"soylent cream is sheeple" competitor! but what you & peterl say makes me question my understanding of ANNs (or that of people who say that AlphaGo is still "learning" while gazing deeper into its own navel)
cazalla: had my fill of tzatziki this summer, cucumbers out the ass
mircea_popescu: when it occured tro me that if i put my cereal in there, i probably wouldn't have to chew it. and so i did, and wow, cereal-tahini-paste. wunderbar.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 07:24:57; ben_vulpes: my inner thieving gypsy recoils violently against the notion of working someone else's chumpatron
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409292 << no serious casino pays the hookers to be there!
mircea_popescu: (tbf, the nature of nn is that nobody is an expert anyway)
mircea_popescu: peterl thinking the thing maintains a huge rainbow table of games is not useful. the thing about go is that it has too many possible positions.
peterl: if the opponent does something it would not have done, then all the premade predictions are useless
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 06:45:13; *: adlai wonders at the degree to which AlphaGo plays against itself ~during~, not between, games
peterl: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409266 << the difference between these two is irrelevant in context. during, in between, wut ? << if taken from during them game, it can predict the best way to win the current game, if taken before hand, it just predicts the general best way to win
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409274 << not so. cunts have to be rather conserative. much like any other open-to-the-world, everyone-gets-root-for-showing-up perl interpreter.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 06:45:13; *: adlai wonders at the degree to which AlphaGo plays against itself ~during~, not between, games
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409266 << the difference between these two is irrelevant in context. during, in between, wut ?
mircea_popescu: and there's a pile of observations to be had there, such as "the result of an aggregate is a woman ?!" and so on, but i'm too lazy.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for kuzetsa with note: stereotypical wikipedia idiot. please do humanity and the world generally a favour and step outside. everything. all of you.
mircea_popescu: !rate kuzetsa -1 stereotypical wikipedia idiot. please do humanity and the world generally a favour and step outside. everything. all of you.
cazalla: shinohai, aint you never heard of the glove in a tube between the bed trick, chicken breast wtf
mircea_popescu: it's true that [a certain subset of parents] treats their kids intelligence as a sort of surogate beauty/athletic promise/musical talent,
mircea_popescu: the inconvenient truth of the matter is that there isn't enough hope to go around to everyone ; and moreover that intelligence per se is a miserable predictor for this.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 06:23:11; phf: it just looks like the issue is not so much that his views are frowned upon, it's that he can't handle opposite opinions
mircea_popescu: and in further "girls trying really hard to put on a good face for alf" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/842cddf185e8c4e60cfcab598c45c351/tumblr_ncazm39oqA1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: well so good for you then.
cazalla: biological urge is to knock her up whether i really want it or not
cazalla: if you enjoy it, or others, idc, but never seen the appeal, as mentioned before, i was pressured into it and she cried lol
cazalla: rather jack off on xhamster than use condoms
mircea_popescu: that's the idea.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what womens pukes from there on a daily basis? i sure as fuck don't want shit on my cock
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know i don't follow the logic of this. so no anal sex because she on occasion shits from there ? for one thing, if you want her to, she can banana from there, just stick one in. for the other thing - no oral sex either ? she pukes from there! you like puke more than shit ? what about normal hole, she bleeds from there not to mention babies from there. are you a pedo now because you fuck the baby hole ?
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 05:13:44; pete_dushenski: the whole 'red hot economy' spectacle really isn't as attractive first-hand as it is on paper, at least aesthetically.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 05:05:29; phf: there are parts by the waterfront where on weekends you can see an assortment of underclasses and weirdos. mexicans fishing, blacks riding dirt bikes, white trash drinking. kind of cool, i'll take that anytime over the overdeveloped DC
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409110 << the history of civilisation is that nobody likes the forbidden city, least of all the emperor for whom it was nominally built. it is the sad curse of women to mostly make things nobody likes, be it tea cozies or "civilisations".
cazalla: cause im one step closer to the edge, geddit
mircea_popescu 's little shop of horrors slash talk therapy is now open for biz.
mircea_popescu: so then don't get in pain.
mircea_popescu: no, an uglier dude than thestringpuller
cazalla: thestringpuller, coming down under lol?
mircea_popescu: so there's your tailor made placebo. every time you get the problem, tell yourself that if it keeps going you're going to have anal sex with a black dude as a cure.
cazalla: cock being the most pressure thing i have
cazalla: well hey, the idea of giving it or receiving it turns me off, so maybe you're right
cazalla: well, this has interfered with my life for the past 10 years, but one develops coping mechanisms because one has no choice, other hten to top oneself, which i am not too keen on
mircea_popescu: it's the deep root behind the russian "slow acting psychosis" and the dsm and all the jazz.
mircea_popescu: the general stance of medicine, for about eleven centuries or so, has been that nobody cares what people think ; but if it interferes with their lives.
mircea_popescu: well... the ones that move, at any rate.
cazalla: alone in the world, can't no anyone else is real, rational though, can't prove or disprove
mircea_popescu: THAT IS WHAT THEY ALL SAY
cazalla: well, i don't, other than i'm not
cazalla: well, they claim i am schizo
mircea_popescu: well that's two then...
cazalla: i can't find the dpaste, but i posted my symptoms in here before
asciilifeform: cazalla: from the pov of the cattle herders, you're 'insane' for refusing their palliative shuddup-pillz
cazalla: only reason i've pursued these idiot as far as i have
cazalla: i've already passed the point where if i drop dead tomorrow from whatever it is, so be it
mircea_popescu: you're not clearly insane, which is the most can be said for anyone.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing clear about sanity.
mircea_popescu: so far it is not in any sense apparent the problem is with them. what exactly would you have them do ?
cazalla: so what would you do mircea_popescu, joe stack the cunts?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: ;;later tell ben_vulpes whats the "hey you" about?
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 04:48:14; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyways, this is the actual library life. http://library.atu.edu/about/vtour/images/vt36.jpg
cazalla_: although tbh i never tried to go offshore, but i figure they dont let people with convictions in despite no prison time
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409033 << more than 7, where the fuck you gonna find that many brit lassies that aren't overweight and sober enough to stand ?
mircea_popescu: hey, they let ver in, rite ?
mircea_popescu: the who ?
punkman: the crisis team thing
cazalla_: echos out the ass
cazalla_: they can't fathom you can be ok with that
cazalla_: once they hear that.. oh it's fucking ptsd, it's depression blah blah
mircea_popescu: ah. so then stop being hypo ?
cazalla_: white blood cells up, then back to normal, a few times
cazalla_: nothing on my brain according to mri and the cunts who read em
cazalla_: still, this place was the best thing to happen to me in 5 years
mircea_popescu: THERE IS NO GOING BACK
mircea_popescu: sorry mate. you've been touched by the republic. now you're fucked.
cazalla_: mircea_popescui don't drink shit these days, i've had a bottle of port tonight, but this is a first for months
mircea_popescu: so how's life, other than not being able to find people to talk to.
cazalla_: tomatoes out the ass
cazalla_: mm corn, grew some this summer, not bad.. burned and charcoal that mother fucker in some butter with some 'matoes for breakfast
mircea_popescu: consequently - the cash crop agros (soy) got butthurt and still didn't liquidate.
mircea_popescu: this was obvious to anyone who isn't mentally retarded by virtue of being born out of the union of a lazy man and a stupid cow, like every single argentine.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz of all time : new argentine govt negotiated a deal with the agros : govt lets dollar go ; agros stop hoarding and sell. the govt let the dollar go. however, for all its posturing, the buenos aires black market turned out to be relatively powerless in face of this, and so from a 8.5 official / 14.0 black market, the liberalised dollar settled at 13.5.
cazalla_: i dunno what day and age, can't be much worse than the current year
cazalla_: fucking idiots called a CAT (crisis assesment team) on me the other day because hey, if you're not enthusiastic to work shitty jobs to buy coke, watch blah blah housewives on tv and want to pay top dollar for plastic shit out of china, well, ya mentally ill
cazalla_: meh, i am just angry as i let my guard down the other day and mentioned to someone that considering suicide is a logical and rational thought in this day and age
cazalla_: evening, composing a comment bitching on trilema.com in the meantime
adlai: remember, leeches feed off general economic 'heat' rather than any single delta-PE
ben_vulpes: my inner thieving gypsy recoils violently against the notion of working someone else's chumpatron
assbot: Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego Enhanced : Bro/derbund Software, Inc. : Free Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1oLMMrr )
pete_dushenski: and now, your moment of zen : https://archive.org/details/msdos_Where_in_the_World_is_Carmen_Sandiego_Enhanced_1989
ben_vulpes: holy shit the odds on that bet
ben_vulpes: DONNY T TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNNNNNNND
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1408995 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409002 << omfg am i really the only one who saw this?
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 04:20:56; mircea_popescu: in somewhat other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/205fc2394e3169753298a37dfdaf8032/tumblr_ncvbzdIATa1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
adlai wonders at the degree to which AlphaGo plays against itself ~during~, not between, games
adlai: they even call it a 'she'! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHRHUHW6HQE&feature=youtu.be&t=27m41s (automation fail analysis)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: ;;later tell kuzetsa what part of trust involves agreeing about bs extraneous to the business in question? nobody will negrate you for bickering, unless that's all you do.
adlai: ahh shit the channel ran out of nice spoons
phf: it just looks like the issue is not so much that his views are frowned upon, it's that he can't handle opposite opinions
kuzetsa: feel free to downrate me or whatever on the way out
kuzetsa: Genesis 19:26 ~~ But Lot's wife looked back. When she did, she became a pillar made out of salt. <<< like I said, inconsiderate, I can't hardly undersatand the idea of natural disaster being an act of god, and for something as innocent as looking over your shoulder to be cause for death is p much overkill no matter who you are (deity or otherwise)
kuzetsa: to each their own
kuzetsa: IDK, the poetry sections of scripture aren't easy for me to take literal in a serious way
kuzetsa: ah ok, that's out of "The Song of Moses"
kuzetsa: "always carry a shovel and be sure to use it to bury your poo so god doesn't step in it" <<< any translation you want is fine, that's my own paraphrase (I compared several translations for this particular passage, and the meaning is always the same)
kuzetsa: lack of a modern sense of sanitation wasn't the cause, it was god being angry
kuzetsa: Deuteronomy 23:14-15 ~~ always carry a shovel and be sure to use it to bury your poo so god doesn't step in it ... if taken literally, I'm thinking at best the understanding of germ theory wasn't going to be around for over a thousand years so the beliefs were genuinely held, though not literal
kuzetsa: danielpbarron: one of the main reasons I didn't seek to figure out why I could no longer !up is because I'm legitimately a left-wing democratic socialist and knew who bernie sanders was before he announced the POTUS run
kuzetsa: well you highlighted me several times, and even though the content wasn't anything I immediately understood and related to, the friendly tone seemed welcoming and I appreciate that -- the impression stuck, if nothing else :D
phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-08-2015#1255346 << not sure if you noticed that 4.4bsd vi had lisp mode (and nothing else language wise). man page claims that some indent commands would actually do proper lisp indentation. sometimes i'd like to track it down and see what exactly the had there..
kuzetsa: adlai: I don't disagree, but I don't understand your point either -- idioms aren't my thing :(
kuzetsa: in ##bitcoin the best conversation I recall lately ... nothing memorable actually
adlai: kuzetsa: eventually jargon can wag its dog, shaping the mother tongue more strongly than the other way around
kuzetsa: *just lurking in there, mostly -- [...]
kuzetsa: danielpbarron: lurking in the mostly -- more conversations happen in ##bitcoin in my case because I prefer not to have non-otc / non-trading talks in -otc
adlai: some professions employ jargon, and there's a reason for it
adlai wonders whether we'll ever hear back from DrWoT, the PhD-to-be... there is definitely some spinnable bullshit in the wot fork
kuzetsa: I just stopped in 'cause danielpbarron noticed I hadn't been around and took the time to figure out what happened
adlai: kuzetsa: don't take this the wrong way, but you may find the logs interesting for a month or six of logged-time. will save you lots of questions, such as "why all the parens" or "did you really need to write your own darcs"
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 21:07:31; asciilifeform: hey i specialize in uselessly predicting crapocalypses years before they happen.
kuzetsa: and then do :q to get out after you're done looking at whatever that's the only command I ever bothered to learn
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408700 << nand flash is also coming to an ssd near you, courtesy of toshiba first and the rest are sure to follow. stock up on those samsung pro 850s now, kiddos.