asciilifeform: but otherwise works similarly.
asciilifeform: so it's a cement slab rather than earth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa there exists, somehow, title on 'condominium' - but it is strange, you still have to pay 'service fee' that is quite similar to the cost of renting a flat
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the custom of shitholes, such as romania, russia etc, is to issue title on apts.
mircea_popescu: (this is rather sensible - wtf is the meaning of title on an indivise real estate item ?)
mircea_popescu: this is unclear, but in general i doubt it can be acquired other than buying the whole building.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414578 << also ftr, i don't own (even in the curious sense contemplated here) even 1 room.
mircea_popescu: argentina suffers from a bit of german pox. specifically, they had a military junta in the 70s, it beat the shit out of the tards, but eventually failed economically.
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 16:44:07; danielpbarron: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/29968/1/blind-fingering-dates-are-london-s-latest-craze >> The process is simple. You head to the class, strip off from the waist down, and lie across an unknown, fully-clothed man while he strokes your clitoris.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their poisonous influence is felt throughout.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so "what they're on about" is the once in a lifetime hurricane, the homegrown pope, the meteor, the exceptional event that they have no frame of reference with which to process
mircea_popescu: as it is, it's fucking common to see an entire outdoor cafe filled with nothing but singles of these derps sitting there all important and shit.
mircea_popescu: i've never seen it. they really should up beating of women by about 1000x. especially those over 50.
mircea_popescu: nah, here it means something vague altogether.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what they're on about, 40mn country has ~1 murder per decade or some shit.
asciilifeform: where i live it is this liberast term re: the chinese custom of selective aborting
mircea_popescu: the killing of women.
mircea_popescu: nah, apparently govt doesn't like males disciplining the household cows.
mircea_popescu: as if anyone could possibly not be outraged by the proposition that murder is gender-different
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this the chinese abortion thing?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the fancy socialmedia tards are all about how "femicidio" is a thing.
asciilifeform: (runs clang, produces fancy-looking nonsense. walk through the pictured branches, and see how it gives a martian result)
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck they reason, they should hang one per each intersection, that'd fix many problems
mircea_popescu: no reports in the press, of course, they're too busy discussing how "not a single woman less" because totally, they're killing to many women around here, appartently.
asciilifeform: l0l just when i thought i had the best zimbabwe here.
mircea_popescu: they all have this plaintive "whio could have foreseen" and "we have to go to the judge to make this right" etc.
mircea_popescu: they appear as little notifications in the buildings, by the elevators (this is how i know about how widespread the problem is - originalyl)
asciilifeform: at least in sov. 'kooperativ' apartment, there was paper.
asciilifeform: let the 'buyers' fight, who 'bought' first.
asciilifeform: and what, precisely, prevents the seller from selling it twice ?
mircea_popescu: i would say about 80% of individual holders in the city hold their property as unpriviledged creditors of a company they do not control.
mircea_popescu: but they do. i know this for a fact.
mircea_popescu: re the apts lulz : understand that the >4x price differential relates to a 40% surface area differential. somehow.
asciilifeform: they aren't muffins.
mircea_popescu: 5yo black valley girls from the ghetto or somesuch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yer not supposed to eat the prison chess pieces, yknow
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the argentines are fucktarded re money beyond what is comprehensible or readily imaginable. their idea essentially is "o you got sum ? gimme!"
mircea_popescu: doctor wants me to eat less butter. slavegirl is like "well you know... i could make those banana muffins without butter or oil" "o yeah ? what are you going to make them with, piss ? russian prison muffins ?" "yeah! i could make... research facility muffins."
asciilifeform: (for the same reason. it uses clang/graphviz)
asciilifeform: and they are just as terrible as solrodar's
asciilifeform: oh and the thing also shits out flow graphs
asciilifeform: the tool's logic (based on 'clang'/llvm) is phucked.
pete_dushenski: and alf thought just ustards were materially wealthy without any culture worth the mention. look ! it's a worldwide sensation ! like justin bieber !
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
mircea_popescu: one doesn't have to go to war with the salt in order to stop oversalting his food to the point of inedibility.
trinque: not like I'd claim victory in that one just yet either, but it's a thing
trinque: the war against metaphysical thinking is far greater than that against merely god
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can't seem to dig up the neo bee pic in question atm, but at least i now have a mental image of it with which to scan the archives. not sure i've ever seen the original even once, however.
asciilifeform: but if i devise a means of being other people, i promise to tell him how it went.
asciilifeform: i've never actually been other people, and so cannot satisfactorily answer mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: all i can reveal is my strong intuition, like the feeling you have when you see a door that there is a volume behind it.
asciilifeform: i have nfi. catch one and force it to be me for a spell then ask.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: them too
asciilifeform: but generally there is good logic behind this
asciilifeform: i have never in entire life, since i can remember myself at 2 y.o., not been convinced that being other people isn't considerably more fun than being self.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nah, they were seated at a table, names in greek script on papers in front
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would it not help ? because you show systematic bias in very peculiar manner which experience with humans indicates to be coming from psychogenic source, which means that nothing may help except resolution of the respective psychological conflict.
asciilifeform: trinque: i don't think they typically get lump sums, for this reason
pete_dushenski: http://www.goldnews.com.cy/assets/image/imagebig/neo-and-bee-occhio-lounge.jpg << another contender
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd conceivably walk around an epsilon less depressed if i learned that muppets have to do their muppetry in spare hours on the train, rather than relaxing in hammocks work-free. but nfi.
mircea_popescu: mno. there's the mysterious phtysic scammer in the pics that meanwhile disappeared, between "danny" and the schmucky head of the nicosia uni it dept.
mircea_popescu: i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead.
mircea_popescu: i couldn't give less of a shit about buterin myself, yet another amir taaki, like the antonoderp (- did he do neo bee btw ? )
mircea_popescu: i'd link a famous ro play on the topic, but i fear i'm overdoing the obscure romanian stuff.
mircea_popescu: we're cordially invited to hang the idiot(s) and imagine this does something.
mircea_popescu: the relationship between buterin and the mit-driven, elen shoe or what's her stupid name managed alt-bitcoin scam is approximately the same as the relationship between preet bharara and the us rogue state.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you keep doing this entire "handpuppet is the show!!" thing. did inaba do bfl ? what else we believe ?
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 22:03:01; asciilifeform: well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg
pete_dushenski: aha. buterin. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414687 namely that alf imagines he would sit on the king's throne but nor wear his crown if only they could swap places as in a dream
mircea_popescu: well okthen!
asciilifeform: i also do not have the unreasonable expectation of being told.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and thereby - comparable. << this question, answered later.
asciilifeform: who, then, held it ?
mircea_popescu: how many times do we need to do the whole - stalin and ivan ivanov politruk own the same : 0. except stalin's 0 buys him some things and politruk's 0 does not ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and has (? had ?) control of a good chunk of btc << we did this entire thread when you thought leah goodman is set for lyf, and then we did it when bb started exposing the lulzy state of gawker contributors compensations, and so on.
asciilifeform: and thereby - comparable.
pete_dushenski: can't cherry pick when in another man's shoes
asciilifeform: in his position, i certainly would not work. (in the sense of showing up to some salt mine, for wages)
asciilifeform: well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 21:26:34; mircea_popescu: the notion that cattle gets to enact standards of happiness is beyond ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: that may be true or not, but it's really irrelevant - i'm not interchangeable with the people i call idiots. meanwhile im sure intestinal worms, if i managed to get them, would live a happier life than him, and that IS relevant, because he IS interchangeable with my putative intestinal worms.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:38; Anduck: mircea_popescu: remember, the people who you call 'idiots' may be living a happier life than you
mircea_popescu: for all you know he's your father, luke.
mircea_popescu: programmers make the funniest whores, i swear. rarely have i seen actual call girls sitting around in the limo earnestly deploring their fate as compared to the toothless scamp collapsed in a dirty heap in the back alley.
mircea_popescu: dude does all the work three midlevel project managers in a shitty thirld world country wanna-be second hand tech firm do. you perceive this as "not have to work", on the grounds that he doesn't seem to mind it.
mircea_popescu: and in other the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e0158454713eb51930024c70f0e9ec4f/tumblr_nnxa3fkkQR1t4kskho1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: no theorems to prove.
mircea_popescu: WE HAVE SO AND SO THINGS!!! please do not try to use any of them!!1
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 18:50:55; punkman: http://dapps.ethercasts.com/ lol
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414361 << this thing insistently reminds me of "bitcoin in argentina / world map", "dating websites" and the rest of the crapolade.
phf: "We noticed that you have not yet purchased your Apple Developer Program. To continue your enrollment, purchase your program now." these people
pete_dushenski: i thought he was on reddit now, which is amusing given that one of these bottles is worth more than the lot of em
pete_dushenski: mno. and nor do i want to memorialise the actual co with a log mention
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i now see that this 'fancy' water bottle is built the same way - double stainless steel wall with vacuum - so it's essentially a smaller, ligther duty thermos. such innovation !
phf: only quality asian ones use glass vacuum chambers, also on account of those people being careful with their stuff. can't even buy those in usg unless in specialty asian stores
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the old-fashioned kind, you can still get it, sure
mircea_popescu: basically a thermos is a larger xmas tree globe.
asciilifeform: (yes this is how they are made)
phf: thermos has a vacuum chamber
pete_dushenski: also a thermos is 2x weight of water bottle. different beast really. like macbook air and og mac portable.
pete_dushenski: thermos tends to carry considerably more volume, no ?
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 20:50:38; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414563 << pretty sure that's what my thermos cost. (there is nothing peculiar about it)
asciilifeform: let them guess.
asciilifeform: but yes, i get the 'nacht und nebel' thing mircea_popescu is trying to set up
mircea_popescu: if this were how deductions worked there'd be no need of politicians
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the enemy can delude himself into that, he can delude himself into anything and is warmly welcome to it.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:09:39; mircea_popescu: but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414593 << in so far as the enemy can readily deduce that none of us are mining, the 'outside' of the bottle deductively exists.
asciilifeform: just displays the article.
mircea_popescu: i am not prepared to admit usg ownership over as much as the fucking bathroom of the oval office.
mircea_popescu: this being the deep meaning of the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368148 comment
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 20:56:40; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414325 << http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-347.0-359.40
phf: i always thought of it as more of a backchannel, i.e. there's the dead drops with their own rules of engagement and then there's also the mail you get in post.
mircea_popescu: and as a more general point : we aren't sealing ourselves off in an ideal world (see the "island of Bitcoin" / "let's get a geographical unit started" threads throughout log history). we are simply constructing indefeatable corruption.
phf: oh the outside packets are traveling over gossip too, by means of gossip relays
mircea_popescu: the whole point of gossipd, as i was trying to explain it to that torhead dude, is that you can't know.
mircea_popescu: you can't say this is the case for any one node in particular.
mircea_popescu: but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction.
mircea_popescu: and this is not merely a discussion of nodes in terms of internet ips. this is a discussion of everything. usg can not currently know which of its agents is closer to me than to washington. closer to their wife than to washington. closer to their purse, a la force, than to washington.
mircea_popescu: on which topic, the earlier discussion with asciilifeform re miners is quite apropos.
mircea_popescu: and gossipd is specifically not a solution to hermetically seal the network.
mircea_popescu: this cloud will never be clarified, or separated. the space where usg can reliably live (or, for that matter, chinag, russiag, dpkg, anyone-g) is, more or less, zero.
mircea_popescu: i will not empower this. NOBODY, including his top general and his own daughter, is his. i own, unknown, perhaps, and or all of these.
mircea_popescu: phf the separation between "trb nodes" and "the rest of the network" comes of the same sort of usg-enabling fiction where somehow obama owns the land and i live on it by his permision.
phf: a gossip solution is to hermetically seal the network, but some nodes presumably still need to talk to elsewhere, i.e. not l1 or l2, those are the ones that still have to deal with spam transactions
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, happens here. ALL THE TIME.
mircea_popescu: ie, you become an unpriviledged creditor of theirs, and that's that. if they go bankrupt in a decade, you lose the house.
mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
phf: l1 or l2 runs trb, where behavior can be improved. better sync mechanisms, bandwidth/cpu conservative network activity, etc. anyone in the wot can also be punished for abuse, i.e. if asciilifeform starts sending me gigs of bogus transactions, and it's not a test and he can't be reasoned with, etc.
assbot: Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RoapzD )
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:10:30; asciilifeform: so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414325 << http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-347.0-359.40
phf: well, it's a technical capability, like roads or email. bitcoin is hosted on a subtrate of tcpip, question is can a b-a node accept packets that come from outside the wot and on what terms.
mircea_popescu: phf let's start simple tho. you used the symbol, "network at large". define it.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 13:43:25; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414121 << the sign of very poor orc country. e.g., nobody in usa thinks phone is 'status', for a decade now.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already.
asciilifeform: ^ interesting for the 'paper shredder precedent' cited
phf: i can't figure out if "there's no network at large" is a semantic point or a technical one. or is the claim that a semantic point makes technical conversation irrelevant?
asciilifeform: lying is a sport to these folks, isnnit.
asciilifeform: 'From the record, it appears the only information passed on to law enforcement about the defendant was his IP address. There is nothing presented by the defense, other than rank speculation, that anything more was obtained by SEI and provided to law enforcement to identify the defendant.'
mircea_popescu: the lone ranger gets a lot of excuses later fellows do not.
mircea_popescu: another thing.
mircea_popescu: if folks in the settled territory keep on living there, not even put up a fucking log barn ?
asciilifeform: the continuing support for winblows, for example.
asciilifeform: but it always seemed to me like many of the prb idiocies really ~were~ in keeping with satoshi's idiocy.
mircea_popescu: also makes little sense to use the term re bitcoinj, whatever its shortcomings.
asciilifeform: (i've been using the term to refer to all heathen bitcoin clients, at least those descended from s's original)
asciilifeform: then i take it back, and mircea_popescu has it
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the question was ever settled, or seriously considered. but it'd be expected prb begins with the famous "you are like power rtangers" nonsense, during the original hearn-induced fork.
mircea_popescu: hey, we also "cant prove" putin fucks obama in the ass.
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, they are running very lightly-modified old prb.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. but this really wasn't the thesis. you do know that ~nobody is running prb, and this has been in ample evidence historically throughout.
asciilifeform: (diddling a version number is not reengineering, nor the der encoding thing)
asciilifeform: all i can say is that i have nfi. but i have no evidence that anyone other than mircea_popescu and trb folks did any serious re-engineering re: the client.
asciilifeform: for all i know they were running prb with ~one line~ patched.
asciilifeform: they were not running ~latest prb~ aha
mircea_popescu: no, actually you know for a fact 95% of miners were not running prb back last year, because of the fork thing.
asciilifeform: so far the only 'alt-trb' for which i have any evidence whatsoever of its existence is mircea_popescu's thing
asciilifeform: it is not especially hard to obtain evidence that other kinds exist
asciilifeform: and in the sense that it largely consists of prb users.
asciilifeform: but it is a mass in the sense of outer space.
asciilifeform: (they lived in a uni dorm)
asciilifeform: not the only relation. i once knew two dudes who discovered that they were sharing a toothbrush for most of a year.
mircea_popescu: so lots of party jokes, "hey man, spot your milk brothers ?"
mircea_popescu: point being, this is the only relation people are usually unaware of.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have 'milk brothers'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the romanian word to denote the relationship between two men fucking the same woman is "sogor"\
asciilifeform: trinque: however you try to dance around the problem, must come to terms with the fact that ~some~ trb nodes must talk to the heathens ~some~ of the time, or NO BLOCKS
trinque: maybe you connect to trinque's trans-netherworld sewer system that talks to both sides
trinque: I can see the counterpoint.
mircea_popescu: i'm not buying into the collectivist mindset. there is no "the network at large", "the country", blabla, evnetually for some niggled in special garb to rule over.
mircea_popescu: if i go to moscow all i see is individual blokes, who is THE RUSSIANS guy ?
mircea_popescu: what is "russians" ? where do i meet them ?
mircea_popescu: phf what is "the net at large" ?
phf: you get disk thrash or network thrash or both. that graph i posted some time ago shows that nuking orphanage kills disk thrash, but increases network thrash. our step one has so far been removal of disk thrash, i.e. nuke orphanage, nuke mempool. step 2 presumably is nuking network thrash by relying more on trusted peers. that still doesn't solve the problem of talking to net at large
asciilifeform: ^ mostly in there
asciilifeform: i recommend enumming for the record
mircea_popescu: do i need to enum. the case or are you up to date ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the contest, i can speak only for myself, but i've had enough. wake me up when you've also had enough.
asciilifeform: 'Another curious pattern that emerged during the later stage of the sync process were long delays (4-5 min) during which data was still coming in through the network at a high rate but both disk and CPU were relatively idle and little or no chain updating was occurring. ' << blackhole.
asciilifeform: 'During the last 10% of the blockchain sync, both the WAIT column of "top" and the furious clicking of disk heads revealed that disk activity was becoming a quite obvious bottleneck, leading to the CPU going idle for longer and longer periods.'
BingoBoingo: "Since these "dead spots" can be attributed neither to hardware nor the network, they must be the result of something sub-optimal in the software."
BingoBoingo: In other news today notorious Apple Shill Rush Limbaugh is giving away iPad "Pros" on his radio program.
mircea_popescu: nothing worth the mention throughout.
mircea_popescu: nope. exactly power law of derpage : buncha noise 1st day, 1/2 noise next, 1/4 noise next, epsilon thereafter.
asciilifeform: speaking of g, when does the block cipher contest formally close ?
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:09:41; jurov: what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly?
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assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 14:06:06; jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414291 << and i have no problem listing a bunch of them
BingoBoingo: St Louis too has the thing where Federal building with werkers is short, squat yet Federal Court has grand tower of oppreshun
phf: it's like the style for building gov buildings these days, md district court few blocks away http://www.jasoncleckner.com/images/RockvilleDistCt.jpg
trinque: http://www.boora.com/files/14611232134221Mark-Hatfield-US-Courthouse--Judges-Chambers-East-Elevation.jpg << the portland one looks to my eyes more of "look how much of your money we spent on this wankery"
asciilifeform: when i think of the word 'totalitarian', i think of that place.
asciilifeform: ever seen the fbi headquarters in dc ?
asciilifeform: the eye of sauron is omnipresent.
asciilifeform: is there fog ? can it substitute for london ?
trinque: otherwise very depressing
trinque: when its sunny there, (what, 3-4mos/yr?) it's lovely
asciilifeform: i met a man yesterday who now lives there, and hates it, 'rains all the time, like this' (points outside at swamp)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> really, ibm cheated with deep blue ? << Probable in the second Kasparov match, the one Blue won
asciilifeform: jurov: i have nfi, but it is insulting to sit on a medieval stake while others sizzle in spiffy modern electric chairs.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !up thestringpuller
asciilifeform: (do they still write to magnetic wire cassette?!)
asciilifeform: 'A Computational Introduction to Number Theory
asciilifeform: and it is not clear that the carpet is any dryer than before.
asciilifeform: and the buckets - leak.
asciilifeform: because we're at the stage where we beat her up, and expelled the madwoman, but now still have no pipes.
asciilifeform: so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes
jurov: what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly?
asciilifeform: (that is, by thermonuking ALL dns invocations)
asciilifeform: but this no longer solves the problem mircea_popescuistically.
asciilifeform: hosts file will stop at the first match.
asciilifeform: not just the one particular aspect mircea_popescu locked onto
asciilifeform: because the WHOLE THING is braindamaged
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 14:04:42; jurov: kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of therealbitcoin.org, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change
jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked
jurov: kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of therealbitcoin.org, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change
asciilifeform: one of the many reasons i see it as a noble game.
asciilifeform: (i often wonder if his loss helped to drive him into the nato meatpuppetry for which he is now famous in ru world)
asciilifeform: so the proggy was not a frozen thing