asciilifeform: (i.e. thermonuke that doesn't require a fissile initiator, ergo no need for refining U)
mircea_popescu: i like the laser pumping people.
asciilifeform: well there are two schools of fusion crackpottery, the 'hot' (tokamak, but really is just refinement of hbomb codes) and 'cold'.
mircea_popescu: ie, not high temperature, cold. but the meaning contemplated in the expression is, i suspect, quite, "+ev, ie cold"
mircea_popescu: otherwise... all sorts of "more expensive than it's worth" methods are known
mircea_popescu: i think that's what the "cold" part is trying to suggest.
asciilifeform: the boojum is ~ +EV fusion ~.
asciilifeform: also fusion is very much the wrong term.
mircea_popescu: note that mom and dad of virgin teen can liberally hold either of these views, interchangeably.
asciilifeform: the difference between 'needs moar engineering' and charlatanry that can absorb $trillion with not a blip of result ?
mircea_popescu: they're both where virgin teen is on prom night. is it going to be a good experience/marriage/life ? who knows ?
mircea_popescu: what's the operative difference ?
asciilifeform: the tree question is approx. where rocketry was in 1930.
mircea_popescu: "step towards" is you know... another ledge.
mircea_popescu: but i know people who put satellites in orbit ; i know no one who made the answer to the tree question.
asciilifeform: i can't personally, with own hands, put a satellite in orbit, either.
mircea_popescu: now, granted, in re the trees, while it stands that you can't do it, i suspect you're right in suspecting it CAN be done.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu misunderstood, i have no intention of pretending that the inexpressable distinction does not exist. merely stating that i am not equipped to deal in it.
asciilifeform: having actually been tasked with attempting something quite like the peach/pear before.
asciilifeform: actually i have a suitably grim picture of the capacities.
mircea_popescu: so basically this discussion just became 'explain this to me, and if you do i'll just pretend the explanation doesn't exist"
asciilifeform: otherwise mircea_popescu has it.
mircea_popescu: but you UNDERSTAND the meta point, which makes you lie to yourself about your capacities, because you really really want things to be a certain way.
asciilifeform: MB if we get to #include from the genus.
mircea_popescu: don't flatter yourself. you can't arrange this, and the answer would provably be > petabytes long.
asciilifeform: i can arrange this but the answer will be a few MB long.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to one day tell me what's the "operative difference" between peach and pear, but not in the sense of "one has a wooden pit". instead, in the sense of "what do the trees do differently"
asciilifeform: remember, i don't deal in inexpressables. or i'd be hanging at the dirigible club with mircea_popescu, and not here in this ditch
asciilifeform: but i was asking, what they do differently.
asciilifeform: is it that the latter tells you what to do ?
asciilifeform: so what's the operative difference ?
kakobrekla: yeah, his talks have been a carbon copy for a very long time on all the confs.
mircea_popescu: they're a sort of singers.
asciilifeform: beats the shit out of everyone else.
asciilifeform: actually rms is the most consistently and accurately long-term doom prophet i'm personally aware of.
mircea_popescu: well wtf, i get the same results from my dog. i don't make the dog a strategist. FOR THIS REASON.
mircea_popescu: oh, he "didn't know" what was in front of him ? that's the definition of blindness. and he didn't know WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ?
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 14:55:06; mircea_popescu: everything is on the exam. including stuff from the future.
asciilifeform: but i suspect that mircea_popescu is operating on the 'spoon of shit in barrel of wine' theorem
mircea_popescu: but, back to the original point : catastrophic blindness and strategic worthlessness. the embodiment thereof, this is it.
mircea_popescu: and i sold them no such license.
mircea_popescu: you have to BUY A LICENSE to run a public house and be protected by this "publichouse" theory.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla tell you what, if maddof has a talk there as well as obama, it'll be the ponzi conference.
mircea_popescu: and i do mean street urchins quite literally, the sort of mostly-nude eastern flesh that'd follow europeans begging for candy, either as a freebie or in trade for butthole.
kakobrekla: afaik it wasnt 'glbse conference' per se, however nefario had a talk there as well as stallman. https://sites.google.com/a/bitcoin2012.com/homepage/speakers / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN6Q--zqroM / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmPD_YSQ--k
mircea_popescu: stallman has reduced himself to the position where street urchins are pulling the "i'm paying you, stand up to attention" trick on him
mircea_popescu: to put this in proper perspective : "genjix" is the garbage-eating, underage-cousin-pimping, imbecile on a stick amir taaki.
asciilifeform: some folks just spend longer time walking around as a zombie before burial, than others.
trinque: same as any other chief scientist or wannabe religious nut leader
asciilifeform: r (1997) and was the last straw... '
asciilifeform: 'Unpleasant surprises followed. As leader of the GNU Project, Stallman experienced the first fork of Emacs in 1991. As we will see below by 1993, the GNU Project's completely lost the initiative due to an inability to deliver a working POSIX kernel. In March, 1993, a Wired magazine article by Simson Garfinkel described the GNU Project as "bogged down". GCC fork occurred a several years late
asciilifeform: e was almost 40 and his best years as a programmer were in the past. Programming is a young men game and such grants usually are a clear signs of a starting decay.
trinque: playing the role of slovenly hacker guy who chews his toenails
asciilifeform: 'In 1990, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation granted Stallman a MacArthur fellowship. The grant, a $240,000 which is more then $500K in 2000 dollars provided Stallman with a source of income and health insurance for five years. That made it less necessary to do consulting work to support himself. Although RMS now can devote more time to the writing GNU software, but actually h
trinque: rms strikes me as a few rounds of imitation back from poettering and that ethereum kid
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ridiculousness of form aside, i can readily see the twin point that rms is catastrophically blind and strategically worthless.
phf: back against the wall
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this was in the log.
asciilifeform: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed ... '
asciilifeform: pretty sure this was in the logz at some point
mircea_popescu: also, the proper quote is "modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture". gotta get that MODERN in there, it is a key element of the belief system of idiots that the problems they encounter are novel.
punkman: "Here at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he has made his home - literally, sleeping for 13 years on a narrow cot in a cubbyhole that resembles a nest, littered with candy wrappers, food containers, papers and magazines. Garbage tumbles off every surface, piles up in corners, allowing only a narrow track through which to navigate a life."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform with the axe.
asciilifeform: 'real-world technical issues and the bigger picture.'
asciilifeform: stung from all sides by vermin who want him to 'get with the times', is it any wonder rms turned to stone ?
asciilifeform: ^ rms when seen from the gnome pit
asciilifeform: He can be convinced. Eventually. It took the SC over a year to explain and demonstrate that Java bytecode could not easily be used to subvert the GPL, therefore permitting GCJ to be checked in to the official repository was okay. I'm sure that someday we'll be using C++ in core code. Just not anytime soon.'
asciilifeform: 'Even when the SC is asked to decide something, they never go to RMS when they can help it, because he's so unaware of modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture. It's far, far better to continue postponing a question than to ask it, when RMS is involved, because he will make a snap decision based on his own bizarre technical ideas, and then never change his mind in time for th
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't see the 'no inclination towards work' thing
mircea_popescu: it being the 80s and shit.
mircea_popescu: environment not yet ripe for "fuck you - breaking the law by license!" alexandrine solution
mircea_popescu: the system just hangs.
mircea_popescu: and if a community vote is held to silence the complaints for racist and whatrever,
asciilifeform: as i recall, the original plan was to use some bsd variant
mircea_popescu: he basically saw himself as a sort of jimbo wales. except forgot the part where tardpedia can contain anything, epistula non erubiscit, but the compiler doth complain.
asciilifeform: and 'stole' the gnu userland, to go with it
asciilifeform: then linus appeared, and did
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that he didn't really psychologically weather the hurd thing.
asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
mircea_popescu: or if you prefer, poorly socialised. still entertains the delusion that he'll make a nice woman out of marble and invent a lock that'll keep rats out of his granary.
mircea_popescu: and to take the discussion up a coupla levels of abstraction : this is not a technical problem in any sense. in fact, the only thing that a classification of problems into technical and otherwise says is that ~the classifier~ is broken in the head.
mircea_popescu: the reasoning goes, that if arabs have no way of knowing they're arabs, such as for instance if the use of THEIR script happens transparently everywhere, then they won't be able to maintain a sense of nationality and consequently jena bush's tush will remain unmolested.
phf: not to mention that freetype pulls in the whole dodgy freedesktop stack. why do i need 5 different libraries to support arabic ligatures?
phf: his (and mine) pet peve at the time was mandatory freetype (i think that linux's dodgy hinting and antialiasing are worse then running it aliased and at the time i wanted bitmap fonts everywhere)
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asciilifeform: or nm, i think this is in the logz.
assbot: “Has Linux lost its way?” comments prompt a Debian developer to revisit FreeBSD after 20 years | The Changelog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPWGNH )
asciilifeform: http://changelog.complete.org/archives/9317-has-linux-lost-its-way-comments-prompt-a-debian-developer-to-revisit-freebsd-after-20-years << in other nyooz.
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2012-08/msg00014.html << the rot goes way back.
asciilifeform: because, among other things, i mistakenly blamed openbsd for this.
phf: i think emacs has dbus support to do fluff like message notification, last time i built it on linux it built without dbus just fine, but i prefer xlib/athena widgets (i know ascii hates them), since i basically disable menu/scrollbar/etc. not sure if maybe gtk widgets now have dbus hardwired
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PeterL: in other news, my trb node (syncing since January) is now up to July 2014
mircea_popescu: i must have misplaced my copy of the agreement.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 14:35:18; trinque: deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418117 << they have to put in some emergency patches once people here have started blocking dns autoresolution.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 13:45:59; asciilifeform: yes, it is better to sleep ad libitum, and wash yourself in the morning with fresh virgin tears and panda milk.
mircea_popescu: PeterL no argument there.
thestringpuller: PeterL: prob why they used to make a lot of escape from new york movies.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 13:35:07; asciilifeform: 'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui? I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate overlay... I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? '
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418093 << accessibility , for the record, is another dns/ntp/font bs.
PeterL: world would be better off if they all get sick and die
PeterL: millions of people live in new york, and they all just assume somebody else is keeping their stuff running for them
PeterL: I guess my question is: where does NY city pull it's drinking water from? Is it at all connected to the Hudson River?
jurov: there's a nzi leader in slovakia but im not doing his bfs
mircea_popescu: jurov "doing on the side" means, fucking, as an extra, other than current relationship.
mircea_popescu: PeterL you are aware NOBODY KNOWS what ny water does, not anymore. shit in there that hasn't been touched in 50+ years.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla jurov either of you doing on the side the gfs of any croatian nazi leader doods ? that might know this guy ? lol.
PeterL: yeah, I know about MI water, but NY is leaking into their river, are they taking river water into their drinking water?
mircea_popescu: PeterL no, the water thing is re michigan.
PeterL: It wasn't clear in the story, is the nuclear problem in New York leaking into their water system and poisoning everybody?
mircea_popescu: think about it - by the time a nuclear plant starts crying out for lack of maintenance, how badly maintained was everything else ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, water infrastructure has decayed to the point nobody involved EVNE KNOWS you can't drink from lake then switch to river
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418119 << quite psychanalizable, ftr. notice the spurt of "make x great again" ever since 2015 or so.
PeterL: trinque: I wonder if we ever get gossipd to replace freenode, will we still have these sorts of connection problems?
trinque: switched to the chat.freenode.net rotation, joins.
trinque: deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here.
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
asciilifeform: caffeine etc. users are not typically faced with a mircea_popescutronic choice of 'should i dope or should i sleep how much i want and bathe in virgin tears.' more often, it is a 'i WILL get 4 hrs. of sleep and there is nothing to be done about it. will it be 4 hr and then i fall asleep at my desk and get sacked or 4 hr of being reasonably awake.'
asciilifeform: yes, it is better to sleep ad libitum, and wash yourself in the morning with fresh virgin tears and panda milk.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 07:13:02; mircea_popescu: contrary to a whole lot of gargle, the list of +ev usage is ~empty.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418038 << does mircea_popescu remember the sleep ad libitum thread ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418017 << there are devil knows how many people who would be on dope if they had any way of getting to it.
asciilifeform: 'go to war with the army you have.'
asciilifeform: but there are really not so many folks soldiering on to keep the last usable linux quasi-alive.
asciilifeform: gold from the commentz:
asciilifeform: 'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui? I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate overlay... I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? '
asciilifeform: 'Most of those are conditional dependencies (useflag ? ...), and I checked and all of those with dbus ? sys-apps/dbus) have -dbus or no dbus at all in the output of emerge -p. But if I try and check dependencies on those that do depend on dbus...: ...it appears that if gtk+ with useflag X can't work without accessibility/at-spi2-atk ...'
asciilifeform: 'Somebody seems to have been joking with portage, and not in a nice way (maybe they aim at hurting the feelings of some pizza delivery guy, because that's not illegal like hurting animals)... '
punkman: "basically, Grsecurity fixes what Linus leaves open and unprotected for whichever reason in the GNU/Linux kernel, and that seems to annoy the genius very much... It's a real though subdued war out there, and Grsecurity had a moment of mild failure for a few days, exactly after a major contribution by, wait, wait!... by the Dear Leader himself..."
asciilifeform: 'Even without adding D-Bus to the default runlevel it often will get started by D-Bus dependent services. This should explain why D-Bus mysteriously gets started even though it has not been added formally added to a system runlevel.'
eth2: them logfiles
b6: In response to them allowing miners to use classic
b6: The guy on BTC-T claiming he shut down f2pool this week
ben_vulpes: straight from the streets yo
b6: Googled that, found MP's article, googles them, found this channel
b6: Through the most recent f2pool ddos, to be exact.
mircea_popescu: contrary to a whole lot of gargle, the list of +ev usage is ~empty.
phf: but i'm going to drop the subject, i'm being tedious and i need to pass out anyway
phf: BingoBoingo: oh i wasn't saying it's harmful, i was saying that when coffee stops working, perhaps it's time to take amphetamines, since it's a cleaner and longer productive high. of course with a history of substance abuse of any kind it is perhaps not a good idea (same people who drink coffee by the litre, start eating amphetamines, etc.)
phf: from the study of dynamic systems, "researches put more wood on kindling, create big fire. more wood is good for fire!" "researches put more wood on massive fire, fire suffocates. less wood is good for fire!"
phf: so does any other arbitrary chain of biochemical events that some team somewhere decides to investigate. it's the mutual interaction of those events that makes the entire system not amenable to reasoning
BingoBoingo: Well, the mechanics make sense
phf: in a correlation/causation world of pop medicine here's ten things that you need to know about new use for an old drug that's all the rage
BingoBoingo: Well, supposedly coffee is good for the liver
phf: i thought aa mostly object to other substances only as much as they trigger alcohol abuse. unless you have a history of mixing alcohol and speed, there shouldn't be any crossover
phf: i don't mind the idea, but, if you need this much coffee, why not just take amphetamines?
BingoBoingo: Wait, you don't drink it all by the pot?
mircea_popescu: you should see the coffee here.
phf: that evokes images of a decisive cup, rationed coffee as a boost for man's will in harsh conditions. most of the coffee experience i'm surrounded with is not like that at all. office workers on a litre a day, hipsters with artisanal pourovers, three jobs just to keep up crowd on a dunken donuts extra large. not much keeping up with nature
BingoBoingo: Well coffee helps when keeping up with all the rest of nature
BingoBoingo: They gotta understand that when man can mark territory with their weight in piss it is man's world.
BingoBoingo: I go out front to see what the fuss is and the cat shoots out of the tree and under a car while the fox shoots off into a the park
BingoBoingo: the turf, one well lit front yard. The combatants a vocal orange neighborhood cat and a fox
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/3df1b14e966c727a62ef37f7b04ab97f/tumblr_meo8gnZO971qcl6pmo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: 'My laptop is a Thinkpad x60 running the LibreBoot bios and Debian GNU/Linux, it overheats alot, especially when viewing Star Trek outtakes of Captain Picard. It survives though, even at 90 Celsius... It should die, but it's strong.'
asciilifeform: or the idiocy would have become immediately apparent
asciilifeform: this immediately tells me something about the authors
asciilifeform: and hopes for the best.
phf: maybe i can get away with running 10.9 for the next five years at which point b-a will have its own scheme-81 clean room, yeah?
asciilifeform: i draw the line at 'randomly crashes during compiles'
phf: but the whole exercise feels a bit hair shirt
phf: i have a borrowed carbon x1 that i'm hoping to make use of. guy was running ubuntu on it, and clean slackware install at the very least doesn't exhibit particularly aberrant behaviors
asciilifeform: at some point (not any time soon, i've elementarily no time) i will replace the thermal paste in the x60 with industrial diamond
phf: mircea_popescu: extreme case of "tom knight and the lisp machine", doing things with no understanding hoping to produce desired effect
asciilifeform: dual gpu boxes will never work, don't even bother.
phf: oddly enough doing that same PEEK/POKE after the linux framebuffer kicked in would blankscreen the machine.
asciilifeform: i would have said 'there is a less atrocious machine, the legendary x60' but now i WON'T ...
phf: most of the time i spent setting up linux on macbook pro was tracing and eliminating overheating problems
asciilifeform: phun phakt, the x60's original bios has 'computrace' infection, though this is mentioned nowhere in the docs, nor in the original 'bios setup' (normally, they do.)
asciilifeform: plus there is apparently no remnant of doubt that coreboot (aka linuxbios) does not properly handle the variable cpu clock thing, nor the fan controller
asciilifeform: the original card heats, yes. new - no.
asciilifeform: and i own an ir thermometer.
asciilifeform: its a motherfucking laptop.
asciilifeform: and the miscellaneous (e.g., ai lab) legends.
asciilifeform: punkman: the history of emacs and gcc
punkman: what, the history of "utter failure"
asciilifeform: https://www.mail-archive.com/trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info/msg46322.html << aaaaaaaand apparently i am not the only one to notice.
asciilifeform: punkman: you cannot 'be rms' without the history
punkman: asciilifeform: wtf would that even mean ? << other crazy fsf people that want to be rms
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: when confronted with the idea that his life's work is an utter failure, man tends to wander into some very peculiar corners.
punkman: are there any alt-RMSes?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps he has become a lichen as he aged. Half man half malassezia since the toe jam incident.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: i suspect that it is a js thing << look at the page source. no js, just a href anchors.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: is rms hawking these turds himself ? cui bono from this misdirection ?
BingoBoingo: Is the heatsink appropriately copper colored or is it laminated with tar?
asciilifeform: (explicitly admitted to in the docs, but somehow 'this doesn't matter')
asciilifeform: almost certainly because the compatibility was a bold-faced lie, and the cpu 'frequency scaling' thing doesn't work.
asciilifeform: 'thinkpad x60' with libreboot and replacement ('atheros') nic
asciilifeform: soooo in other nyooz,
pete_dushenski: "SSD UBER rates are higher than disk rates, which means that backing up SSDs is even more important than it is with disks. The SSD is less likely to fail during its normal life, but more likely to lose data." << from punkman's link.
pete_dushenski doesn't know, wasn't there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say at least where you actually saw the highlight thing ~work~
mircea_popescu: course i'm not installing fucking zorin or w/e the thing is called
asciilifeform: but at any rate, if indeed 'readelf opened the game', this is a discovery and ought to be reproduced.
mircea_popescu: dun tell me THIS doesn't work either
asciilifeform: the highlight.
asciilifeform: not as printed on the box, at least!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does readelf ever run the elf ?!
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 01:07:38; mod6: i dunno where that other version came from.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:13:58; phf: we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long
mod6: in scheme news, i learned how to read a file and print it out the screen. lol
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> breaks do a body good. << yeah for sure. and i think it totally helps to step back and see the entire forest through the trees.
mircea_popescu: and in other pre-porn news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/2b8e16a7eb6146a88171856b7b971dbd/tumblr_mniti61WFw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mod6: anyway, here is the deedbotted v99997K (http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh) -- but this is obsolete. DO NOT USE.
mod6: thanks to whomever updated the wiki
mod6: i'll dig it up, but none the less, everyone should be using v99995 now
mod6: i dunno where that other version came from.
mod6: asciilifeform: re yesterday (line 47) of some version of the V99997 build script.... I took a look at the one that was deedbot'd and that line was correct.
mircea_popescu: molz ideally, read the logs.
punkman: get it before the venezuelans burn it all down
botneko-chan: they banned me on /r/Bitcoin_Classic
asciilifeform: the teapot case.
mircea_popescu: oh the irony.
punkman: pretty sure this was in the logs, but couldn't find it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337
botneko-chan: These aren't so widespread
kakobrekla: add wifi laundry washing machines to the list.
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BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/foscam-internet-of-shit-seekoority-camera-phones-home-peers-with-other-cameras/
kakobrekla: as far as we discussed he understands the blockchain size problems or the lack of there of.
mircea_popescu: botneko-chan anyway, prolly should read the logs.
botneko-chan: The main principle of cool ddos is: you give $ for bandwith and $ for us and we have fun all month
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:05:27; DerpUnion: are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic
botneko-chan: I don't know who, actually I'm working with another guy that talks with clients
botneko-chan: There's one man ordered ddos
mircea_popescu: ie, if they're dumb as rocks, no variance in result.
mircea_popescu: phf wherein the dtime and dresult are a measurement of the idiocy of the people involved.
mircea_popescu: at least this fellow i won't have to persuade about the benefits of you know, getting the fuck out of the us.
phf: well, technical solution to social problem is the one where you get a social system running, come back in 30 years, the expected output is still present, even if perhaps diminished
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "wire is broken because it's in the path of foxes to chicken coop" ?
mircea_popescu: botneko-chan post an addy, i'll send you some on the strength of his word.