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danielpbarron: dealing poker at porcfest; that picture was taken in the morning near the end of an all-night game
danielpbarron: btw, that guy on the right is Birdman of Eulora infamy
mircea_popescu: you gotta re-doi the overlay on the header tho, i can see the edges and a nose/hairline of a guy in the irght
mircea_popescu: check out the drinks guy!
deedbot-: [Daniel P. Barron] The Big Singer - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-big-singer/
mircea_popescu: not a comment on the language - a comment on the mentality. "oh this box is not good". fine. "oh this other box is not yet ready". fine. whatever all this may mean in the ideal world of ideals, what it means in practice is that - never happened.
asciilifeform: i actually shelved the lisp ver.
mircea_popescu: this has been a perfect case of typically lispian self-sabotage, for the record.
shinohai: I guess the point being she is adamant that fluid is the reason she is fat, and not the 28 BigMacs she consumes for lunch daily.
mircea_popescu: retardation belongs to no-one, even if it is always and perpetually the exact same.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i don't get it, person should go through 1-200ish gallons of water a year, every year. what's the problem there ?
asciilifeform: it'd be a welcome change from the usaschwitz crud
asciilifeform: prolly been fitted for the hole'n'glasses already.
mircea_popescu: you should start wearing round glasses and a pickaxe hole in the temple already.
mircea_popescu: lol are you subverting the kolhoz for counter-party activities ?
asciilifeform: at any rate, i suspect that i found one of the magical orifices the dud keys went in.
mircea_popescu: depending on the exact definition of "human body parts" you use, i will grant that this is actually the case.
mircea_popescu: in other news, according to reddit i am by far the bitcoiner most likely to have a collection of human body parts in my fridge.
mircea_popescu: Alfie Lifeform not a terribru rapper name, either.
mircea_popescu: skate/stake/steak/on the take etc bla bla, enough rhymes in there for a full rap album.
asciilifeform awake, cranks out broadcast slowly while on the stake
mircea_popescu: "we've had some no such expenses this month somehow related to the bitcoin protocol of the future's many advantages which can not be specified for guess why reasons."
jurov: and there is likely also no-such-dept. involved
jurov: or actually... as the whole thing was about bitcoin protocol enforcement, law dept would be prolly best choice.
PeterL: And is that going to be classified under "advertising expenses" since it got the bitbet name out in a bunch of media?
PeterL: With bitbet doublesending the Jeb Bush bet, are they going to have to take out a bridge loan from MPIF again?
davout: tbh i don't know, what i know is that there won't be any bullshit like "oh btw, withdrawals on chain [A|B] are deprecated"
kakobrekla: davout if the fork (say 'classic') happens, is paymium expected to stay on the current blocks ?
thestringpuller: i remember when MP exposed them as a scam way back in 2012
davout: "A weird exchange nobody really trades on, Orderbook.net, has run into some trouble with the CFTC."
davout: aka the Bitcoin movie
davout: reddit dude sums it up nicely "Even though every contract has a counterpart, think of whole thing conceptually as being somewhat pooled with no specific counterparty and the winning traders jointly as bagholders of last resort."
mircea_popescu: same language i guess then.
davout: it's their documentation
mircea_popescu: they published the engine or is this just probing ?
davout: therefore, echo "bitmex" > niggers.txt
davout: in other words: "spreading works"
mircea_popescu: oil!" to, finally, "flyover country". not entirely sure who'd be the indicated canon on the topic. as everything else to do with culture, starting with the great "american" novel and ending with the great "american" dictionary, the us has failed to produce usable works. maybe one day a gibbon is born in kenya or wherever and writes its history.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 23:24:36; mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of ranchers
mircea_popescu: TomServo> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414960 << Any suggested reading on this topic? << mid 1800s, galveston was the world's cotton center. by the 1900s, dallas had overtaken it as the center of texas. lots of discussion of this change that's emblematic from a more general shift from "midwest = great american desert" to "we built some pumps and whatnot, let's farm and raise cattle" to "holy shit
mircea_popescu: punkman> "They are giving us 90 days paid working notice, one-month severance, and $2500 in money for retraining." <<< pretty generous.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 23:24:36; mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of ranchers
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.56056253 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b22
assbot: Why there are 5 months old unconfirmed transactions sitting in the mempool? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp1Iox )
punkman: "They are giving us 90 days paid working notice, one-month severance, and $2500 in money for retraining."
assbot: Reports Coming in of Big IBM Layoffs Underway in the U.S. - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDCLZs )
trinque: asciilifeform │ this whole thing is 'ukranian space program' - 'we'll fly to the sun! at night!' << bahahaha dear god my sides
felipelalli: ben_vulpes, but I didn't understand the relation.
felipelalli: ben_vulpes, yes, I have my photo in there.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.35570199 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b20
assbot: New extremism guidelines require schools to report suspect behaviour | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/21LA6yV )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ~the~ iq test. << "variant thought" and iq are at best orthogonal.
punkman: there's a new 8char brainwallet challenge, apparently nobody solved the last one https://keybase.io/warp/warp_1.0.8_SHA256_5111a723fe008dbf628237023e6f2de72c7953f8bb4265d5c16fc9fd79384b7a.html
BingoBoingo: Yes, I mean the actual in the wild phenomenon
BingoBoingo: Oh no, I mean enough people have keys for many brainwallets so anytime they recieve coins it is off to the races for at least tens of scrapers
BingoBoingo: Who can spend inputs first when they arrive
asciilifeform: ~the~ iq test.
punkman: imgur videos are the worst with noscript. I click+delete the flash placeholder, allow the mp4, it reloads, then I allow the webm and maybe it start playing
assbot: There's always that one guy.... ... ( http://bit.ly/1VUhVnh )
punkman: from the i-don't-even department http://i.imgur.com/k1x1n5b.png
mircea_popescu: i'll gladly take the credit if it saves you the time to search for sauce.
punkman: is this a bastardized mp quote? can't recall the source
asciilifeform: see where the train goes.
asciilifeform: before long, there will be special magick services that will help you spend...
pete_dushenski: punkman: i wouldn't have thought so either
mircea_popescu: basically, the most charitable read of the thing i can come up with is, "if you find your own wallet unable to transact - try move the privkey to a webwallet, maybe it works there".
punkman: pete_dushenski: I read the blog post, didn't make sense
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: then user is fucked because he's now shared privkeys and ~still~ has no way of transacting lol
asciilifeform: this whole thing is 'ukranian space program' - 'we'll fly to the sun! at night!'
pete_dushenski: then bc.info has miners who prioritise their txen ?
punkman: where the hell does bc.info come in and why
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what 10min?! whatever kept you from transacting like normal people, will keep you from moving the 'temporary' coinz
mircea_popescu: by "the network", of course.
mircea_popescu: well... what happens if the tx is not included in a block ?
pete_dushenski: because it's then a throwaway intermediary. and yes, hoping that bc.info doesn't spend same coins in same 10 minutes is the risk.
mircea_popescu: it's not kosher, it's a race as to who can spend first, and you're hoping the lady's good enough to keep him busy long enough for you to get to a wifi ?
pete_dushenski: but if no more coins are sent to the shared privkey, then all's kosher, neh ?
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: the lady side aside, do you think this is a sensible deal ?
mircea_popescu: so you meet a shady guy in a bar, and he shows you an address with 10 btc in it, and gives you the privkey in exchange of taking the lady in the back alley half-n-half.
asciilifeform: do you recall the ancient derpage where folks sold accounts?
mircea_popescu: take it the other way, pete_dushenski
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 22:56:04; pete_dushenski: if i may summarise the last 24 hours of logs, which i must say were eminently enjoyable save the lack of practical recourse discussed : bitcoin remains the world's worst payment network... except for all the others. and even still, not by much.
asciilifeform: once to fill up the addr
assbot: The layman’s guide to salvaging bitcoins in the era of Chicom miner monopoly. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1VUfIYQ )
mircea_popescu: compare the counties where scheme was implemented (it's always done by the "local barons", not a central thing) with the counties where it isn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously you could take as many pics as payers. but in spite of the ridoinculousness, the nonsense provably works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, romanians have been trading votes for years now. go in there with your smartphone, take pic of vote and id card, get 30 lei or w/e
cazalla: how was your winter? i just pulled the rest of the tomatoes out this morning, tfw no more summer and winter is coming
BingoBoingo: Nah, prolly doing my sport voting for rubio or cruz in order to do my part for the brokered convention outcome
BingoBoingo: They both have the same clinton ethical disorder
mircea_popescu: anyway, needless to say the argentine press utterly hates trump. "o noes, male with an ego! hilary is for kids and women! NO UNA MENOS!!!1 herpderp"
assbot: President Camacho's State of the Union - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VUd7yc )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally - imagine the fucking ratings once trump turns the white house into a nbc studio
BingoBoingo still rather convinced Hillary rodham-clinton and donald trump-clinton are colluding
mircea_popescu: what's his name, polly-wanna-baccarat or whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: i thought he was ~headed for jail. except you know, "tough on crime" beeeeeehehehehe towelhead forgot the keys to the toughness vault or something.
ben_vulpes: the whole electoral farce
ben_vulpes: look i'm always down to see people humiliate themselves or be humiliated but the acres of derping around before the hammer comes down isn't edging its just fucking boring
mircea_popescu: gotta say i like the language. the derps are fucking useless - saw a fucktard SLEEPING IN THE SHOP today, banned the shop - but check out "envalentonada".
mircea_popescu: anyway, did the argentinos hallucinate the story ? never happened ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what is the 'comecon'?
ben_vulpes: THE ACID TRIP NEVER ENDS
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 01:23:57; mircea_popescu: in other news, they have these guts-of-figs with almods or other nuts on top sweets here. utterly delicious with a glass of vermouth
ben_vulpes: i do admire the stairs-barely-bolted-to-the-wall argentine asthetic
mircea_popescu: except these bovines would have counted as lamers in that ~lame set.
mircea_popescu: they went there to overdemonstratively socialise and pretend like they're drunk and please grab my teat.
ben_vulpes: remember that, asciilifeform ? we had more or less the whole upstairs to ourselves?
mircea_popescu: the audience took me back 20 years. back in mid 90s, there was this bar in cluj, mostly favoured by highschooler chicks that were just mediocre but liked to think themsleves special.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 00:49:41; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421236 << fancy that, i've just been to an incredibly shitty "super hip" bar here. nice tall ceilings, that the idiots took to defending against with some inept iron grating to make the seats all boxed in. live band, so fucking bad it had more in common with static noise than music.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421354 << sounds like the band asciilifeform and i got as far away from as possible while still able to gawk at the audience in bsas!
mircea_popescu: and these imbecile stallmans of a new generation, encouraging this nonsense. pfff.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 13:18:23; asciilifeform: the cockroaches, mice, and rats, have come to genuinely believe that they own the house.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420838 << what with the unmitigated audacity of organising "conferences" and announcing "agreements" as if anyone gave the slightest bit of a fuck.
BingoBoingo: Here they pronounce it Comicon
mircea_popescu: actually, for the interested us scholar, the history of the comecom should be read carefully. it's not merely informative, but will be quite predictive.
BingoBoingo: lol pete_dushenski and nubbins' in two dog land have to dust off their hos
mircea_popescu: and besides, since they ended canada's oil boom with their inept russian embargo shenanigans, the great farmland to the north can get back to agriculture. great obama-hruschev common single planning organ success!
mircea_popescu: they can just redistribute the fat.
mircea_popescu: well the us has the advantage that the people contain enough food for ~decade, give or take.
BingoBoingo wondering if much of the US is even planting corn this year
mircea_popescu: oh wait, they sold the corn earlier. they're definitely starving.
mircea_popescu: i hope they all fucking starve.
mircea_popescu: so macri's here to stay, and the country's definitely going on sale. staples prices already up ~50 to maybe 100%, salaries frozen, all bureaucrats discussing in hushed tones their fears of which jobs will be cut... it's a pleasure.
mircea_popescu: an utter humiliation, i have no idea why the fuck they even did it. but it's quite clear that without the cona house they got ~nothing.
mircea_popescu: de mayo wide the fuck open, more police than protestors, 50 miles of fence and 300 yards of protestor perimeter.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the us and its future - so macri's been in power for a few weeks now, the peronistas (ie, criminal-socialist party) kept hewing and hawing about how they'll bring the street power to bear. today they finally called out a demonstration, it was on all the news outlet. deeply zoomed in, it looked almost like a thing. but zoomed out, it was ~50 to 100 people in a yellow box "blocking traffic". all the plaza
BingoBoingo would just prefer a more honest wrecker to do the parting
mircea_popescu: and that only because it abstains from discussing the economy.
mircea_popescu: first party in history with a double fuck in the full name.
mircea_popescu: (ie, Partido Justicialista Because Fuck Republicans And What The Fuck Are These Democrats Even Supposed To Be)
mircea_popescu drinks a toast to the new PJBFRAWTFATDESTB US party.
BingoBoingo: This is really the fatal flaw in the whole voting business. All politicans get habituated to lying, scamming, and under delivering but these these outsiders like Donald Trump-Clinton beat them at their game because they practiced those things without the rest of the circle jerk more openly and more criminally.
mircea_popescu: what's the ivanka v2's name, evita trump what ?
mircea_popescu: gotta become the argentina it always was, deep down.
mircea_popescu: besides, the us is just about ripe for a peron of its own
mircea_popescu: but for a better man, the correct strategy is exactly this.
BingoBoingo: Well, the writing's on the wall for that except for the part about such a fate being MP-esque, I mean Donald Trump-Clinton is a serial scammer.
mircea_popescu is wishing trump the most mp-esque of fates.
mircea_popescu: ideally the republican party should end by being spit in the face by "an outlier" and never recovering from it. best thing for them.
mircea_popescu: anyway, trump got 7, next ghuy what, 3 ? 4 ? it's all over. i hope to hell he a) fails to get enough delegates and then b) spits in their faces re "brokered convention" and then c) starts his OWN party on pretty much a platform of "fuck the republicans and what are these democrats supposed to even be ?"
mircea_popescu: in other news, they have these guts-of-figs with almods or other nuts on top sweets here. utterly delicious with a glass of vermouth
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news - hilary apparently attacked trump, and with a total loser speech. it's all over, he's winning << It was Romney, but really no diff
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 20:46:35; asciilifeform: i eventually put back the heathen bios on the x60, BUT i ida'd it and nop'd out the imbecile nic whitelist
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 20:15:01; ben_vulpes: while "there's nothing wrong with addr reuse" made sense once upon a time, the new regime is that "tell people where you're sleeping, and they'll come murder you there".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421273 << as alf aptly points out, merely not telling people where you sleep does nothing to chillax the band of armed murderers going about the streets.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall when's the last time a democrat was so culturally inept. maybe carter.
mircea_popescu: in other news - hilary apparently attacked trump, and with a total loser speech. it's all over, he's winning
mircea_popescu: people other than orwell, who unlike orwell had sex and mattered in the world.
mircea_popescu: i did not say "the machine gun". i said THE BRITS.
mircea_popescu: the brits of 1800 are nowhere to be seen.
mircea_popescu: just like any other derp/redditard to whom i give key life advice.
mircea_popescu: i crossed out art and wrote in "you stink" and "get a job", but something tells me they won't take this to heart and execute it exactly
mircea_popescu: they had the unmitigated audacity to leave envelopes on the tables, "thanks for halping us continue with our art"
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 19:05:18; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420808 << i took in the alberta ballet's nutcracker in december, which is the local company. there were no more than 3 of the cast who could actually dance. the rest were trying to 'fake it till you make it', which drove me up the wall, particularly when the mouth-breathing audience took it upon themselves to give the sorry lot a standing o.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421236 << fancy that, i've just been to an incredibly shitty "super hip" bar here. nice tall ceilings, that the idiots took to defending against with some inept iron grating to make the seats all boxed in. live band, so fucking bad it had more in common with static noise than music.
cazalla: might be my end then
pete_dushenski: gotta have something in there eh ;)
cazalla: i'm at the stage where i'm now singing and dancing to wiggles songs at 6am
pete_dushenski: cazalla: just splendid. we're in the sweet spot where he's sleeping well, eating well, can't crawl, and isn't teething :)
cazalla: how's the bubs pete_dushenski ?
felipelalli: the problem is wotpaste
felipelalli: the header is "Content-Type:text/plain" but could be "Content-Type:text/plain?charset=utf-8"
trinque: heh, that's what I imagine the fucks that stole my 4U doing.
shinohai: I hope they booted into Arch and were like "dafuq did I just steal?"
shinohai: No big deal besides the lost work, thankfully the airgapped computer with my gpg keys was in my bedroom at the time.
shinohai: trinque: home, someone busted in my the side door to my home office, got a lappy and a few trivial items.
trinque: shinohai: home/car/other ?
shinohai: I've had that, theft, and just yesterday a db crash. Yet I soldier on.
gernika: and if anyone is curious what took me so long - catastrophic hard disk failure, among other things.
pete_dushenski: you persevered where many didn't, which is really the only way to live.
gernika: I finally have a fully synced trb node, after starting on the project almost a year ago.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: x60 is an amazing box (get the 64-bit last rev., 2GHz) but i must warn, it suffers from a barfalicious - by modern standards - lcd.
asciilifeform: i eventually put back the heathen bios on the x60, BUT i ida'd it and nop'd out the imbecile nic whitelist
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 16:55:32; asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: theoretically, x60, because coreboot. but turns out that coreboot is halfbaked.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thoughts on the x60 vs x61?
ben_vulpes: while "there's nothing wrong with addr reuse" made sense once upon a time, the new regime is that "tell people where you're sleeping, and they'll come murder you there".
ben_vulpes: this conflict is rooted in the addr reuse thread.
asciilifeform: BUT RATHER are to be solved by finding and catching the problemator, and smashing him into a concrete wall repeatedly until the problem goes away.
asciilifeform: some problems are not meant to be solved ~at the receiving end~
asciilifeform: or, as uncle al called it, 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel.'
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:15:42; ascii_field: Chillum: the entire exercise is what i call a 'bear suit'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: all of the proposed 'mask' solutions remind me of the 'bear-proof suit'
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 13:12:31; asciilifeform: 'You think Bitbet benefits from the open display of bets and payouts? Fine! Publish them for paid-out bets. Publish a shortened version for active bets, first few digits of the amount, a fragment of the address… publish hashes of the whole data, deedbot them, anything you'd like. Why publish the whole thing, plain text, all the time? What did you imagine would come out of that rabid, unthinking tran
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420833 << not sure how transparency was 'unthinking' but i had largely the same train of thought last night as i was composing 'salvage' piece (ie. hashes, first few characters).
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it remains trivial to track down and target the addrs ~from~ which bb pays out.
asciilifeform: for one thing, the ~existing~ bets have addrs published.
pete_dushenski: granted that it's a bit of a pain, and also granting that it's hardly a scalable solution, it does do the trick.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 15:58:36; asciilifeform: and say they blacklist anything previously appearing as payout on bb.
pete_dushenski: as ever, he with the gold calls the shots as to 'what is art'
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420812 << hahaha i had this exact same debate with fillie at guggenheim bilbao over serra's 'the matter of time'. she fucking hated it, i defended it, but probably to play foil as much as anything. this was a few years ago however, though i do still see his works once or twice a year in toronto's pearson airport ('tilted spheres'). i will grant them their ability to bre
trinque: the ones that take it seriously are *jacked*
pete_dushenski: made me long to see a real ballet. i think i'll wait until the royal winnipeg is in town next.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420808 << i took in the alberta ballet's nutcracker in december, which is the local company. there were no more than 3 of the cast who could actually dance. the rest were trying to 'fake it till you make it', which drove me up the wall, particularly when the mouth-breathing audience took it upon themselves to give the sorry lot a standing o.
mircea_popescu: o shit, the very next line!
mircea_popescu: it's what it usually means when someone says they're using "normal" anything in bitcoin
asciilifeform: ultimately, a sane linux - to the extent such a thing is physically possible - will look like a gentoo with a vtronic portage.
asciilifeform: largely because everything that uses it, gets killed by the flag set shown.
trinque: asciilifeform │ mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet << neato. -pulseaudio is another good one
asciilifeform: sturles: i recommend to look at the code, you're in for some surprises.
sturles: I haven't looked closely at the code. My node behaves like any other node would. Except it keeps a part of the mempool protected from fee based eviction based on priority.
sturles: If the sibling is _after_ the parent in the block, the block is invalid.
sturles: No, the order must be strict. I.e. the the parent must be confirmed _before_ the sibling.
asciilifeform: this would be an 'academic' matter, were it not for the fact that the enemy is making full use of it.
asciilifeform: (every shot requires you to look at every other)
sturles: Yes, and I don't think this is much more complex than requiring each utxo to be in a different block than the one it is spent from.
asciilifeform: now i am tempted to say to client, when he asks for theta, 'it isn't that complex'
asciilifeform: 'it isn't the complex' !?!?!!
sturles: It isn't that complex. The uxto set is updated as the block is parsed. The inputs of the sibling will be in the utxo set when it gets to it. It only makes some optimizations somewhat harder.
asciilifeform: this is called a complexity vulnerability, and presently i search for these, elsewhere and far away, for a living.
mircea_popescu: not too late for that, either.
asciilifeform: and it would have been proper for the protocol to forbid the lunacy by proclaiming that a tx cannot rely on inputs IN SAME BLOCK AS IT.
asciilifeform: they are doing this for no particularly good reason.
asciilifeform: but they do not HAVE to.
asciilifeform: the miners are free to collect clumps of tx off the street and find, at their own idiot expense, validly linked chains thereof.
mircea_popescu: no argument there. but it is not ok merely because some idiots do it atm.
mircea_popescu: yeah, some noncompliant miners are currently doing this, among many other insanities they do.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to write a sane specification for bitcoin that avoids saying specifically "if input tx is not found in a block, tx is invalid"
sturles: I am not saying it is the right way to do it, just that it is how it is.
sturles: Yes. It isn't verey complicated. Really. As long as A is found before B in the blockchain, the order is AB. Even if A and B are in the same block.
asciilifeform: in fact this is happening EVERY MOTHERFUCKING DAY
sturles: It is in the design. As long as the order is correct (perent before child in the block), it is accepted.
mircea_popescu: that we allow the miners to do way too much stuff.
mircea_popescu: this is part of the problem.
sturles: Well, you may call it a fetus. A miner can choose to give birth to both in the same block.
asciilifeform: if it is in the mempool, it is not a parent !
sturles: We are not talking about orphans here, since we have the parent in the mempool.
sturles: People spend unconfirmed outputs all the time. Bitcoin Core even does it by itself, if the output was generated by yourself.
asciilifeform: sturles: you do not see the basic problem with taking a tx on faith ?
sturles: If a transaction pays too low fees to get included, and you spend an output of the transaction with a high fee, a miner may want to mine both.
mircea_popescu: fucking evil bs, child pays for parent, let's invent OTHER ways to import meaningless state into bitcoin and fuck it all up
sturles: It knows about the fee rate of the children of unconfirmed transactions.
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu the gentoo was tested on a x60 tp.
sturles: I should change my key in #bitcoin-otc to the sturle@bitmynt.no key..
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 16:44:12; sturles: 0.12 does eviction based on fee/kB. When the mempool is full, a large share (half?) of the transaction will get evicted and a minimum fee ratio to get included will be set.
mircea_popescu: sturles that's kind-of a problem then, you can't voice here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the given magic will take you to, e.g., fully-functioning x11 emacs, irc clients, etc. that build sans dbus.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is the chicken in the recipe, yes.
mircea_popescu: so rather than a preliminary it's actually the thing ?
asciilifeform: and so could be, theoretically, used on bsd

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