nubbins`: <+danielpbarron>it's not clear that Mircea is wrong. It's not clear kako agrees he's wrong. << that's beause kako had the private convo with me, not you
nubbins`: he's a small, sad man, nothing more than a mark karpeles with better book-learning. lucked his way into a windfall by recognizing bitcoin as an opportunity early on; just hasn't fallen on the sword yet.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it is difficult to have a useful discussion in the midst of 'your mother eats electric eeels. -- no YOUR mother. .. etc'
PeterL: so, as I have been watching my trb node sync the past three months (am I the only person who thinks this takes way too long?) it seems like it spends alot of time trying to connect to nodes and timing out?
nubbins`: mp's initial silence on the Nk, Nm node stuff until his other arguments were busted implies strongly that it's total bullshit,
nubbins`: here's the straight dope. we all knew from the start that mp doesn't care when he's wrong, he just bulldozes. countless examples exist, i don't care to find them for you. kako agrees that the expense is fraudulent, jurov agrees, many others agree; the only ones who don't agree are you, who seem quite willing to let kako take the hit in order to maintain peace, and hanbot, who obviously doesn't count as an opinion
PeterL: no, in Michigan they give us a ballot with both parties and we get to pick wich one we vote on
nubbins`: asciilifeform consider the case that i may consider my cat a steed. if i mount it, what happens?
asciilifeform: and wtf, i oppose throwing folks who are still in the battlefield, out of the lordship, srsly
PeterL: today is presidential primary here in mich, I havn't decided how to vote, half tempted to write in Rand Paul as a protest against all the idiots still running
asciilifeform: he was driving the tank, and it got hit.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: from rereading the log, you can see that mircea_popescu considers the 17 btc to be a justified cost-of-war thing.
asciilifeform: the ~only thing i know about mpb is that 1) it is roughly compatible with 0.6 and 2) he fixed the db locks bug years ago, and shared with me the patch, a while back, and it is in trb
PeterL: I guess it got missed in all the shouting
nubbins`: asciilifeform you read the logs as well as i. all are aware that the accusation remains unanswered
PeterL: should the lordship be so stringently policed?
asciilifeform: am i the last one who isn't obsessed with hunting for folks to throw out of the lordship thing >?
nubbins`: who, if you'll double-check the list...
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc the present tense is mostly re: eulora, about which i know ~0.
nubbins`: asciilifeform tell me something in the present tense and i'll maybe be interested
trinque: I respectfully tip my hat to the burden of having seen far further than one can walk (at least yet)
asciilifeform: and my understanding to this day is that most #b-a folks originally appeared here because they were involved with one of these things
PeterL: could you define it better then?
nubbins`: basically just a vexual without the youtube links
nubbins`: not belabouring the point, just pointing out that sauce from hanbot holds zero value, and if all she does is run the mouth and not contribute, she's just getting in the way.
PeterL: they are certainly sitting on lots of cash
nubbins`: fair enough. there are some here who do less.
PeterL: she runs one of the mpif parts
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 16:56:31; nubbins`: then i realized that she doesn't do anything, and thought it odd she's on the lordship list
nubbins`: funny how this is an ideas place and so many are willing to look past the ideas and focus on the delivery
nubbins`: then i realized that she doesn't do anything, and thought it odd she's on the lordship list
asciilifeform: PeterL: not so hard, but the reasonable thing to make it in would be shiva
PeterL: asciilifeform are there currently any self-run block explorer programs?
mircea_popescu: and in other sexploitation news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/4572f58ef5a45c41c06a1edde2fd8c59/tumblr_mex4w12aH01qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: well, it's been time for years now, but the chinese ain't going away.
mircea_popescu: this was true before the age of machine-enabled decay. recall the "90 yos get together to establish what 80 yos should retire" thing ?
asciilifeform: and was grown for the same purpose.
mircea_popescu: what ? makes a lot more sense than half his platform, not to mention all the others.
mircea_popescu: with any luck, trump wins the election, we get 99 year lease on ft meade and martial law ten miles around the perimeter.
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asciilifeform: and the item would, in all likelihood, have to be an fpga. (that can be sold to heathens)
asciilifeform: it would have to begin with time rented on ordinary fab, or the like.
mircea_popescu: and fwiw, i doubt anyone has the money, or had, in the past century. we're talking 50bn turkey dollars here. gates can, at most, make a foundation to greenhouse little hussein bahamas out in africa.
mircea_popescu: but as it is, i'm at best useful as a seed. tho from years of reading the logs it's apparent to me seed-cultural is actually a lot more sorely needed than seed-capital, but that's aside.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my idea being that whatever you call it, both g and this p will be running a lot of common code in the cyrpto
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 14:04:37; mircea_popescu: and since i'd rather include the chip fab, ima support the horsies being radical.
asciilifeform: blockchain means they all agree (or they do not, in which case you know that you have plague and when to put on the beak mask)
asciilifeform: but the link should be to LOCAL wwwtronic thing.
mircea_popescu: which, in the grand scheme of things, is perfectly reasonable. argentina spends about that every coupla years and has ~icecream and steak to show for it.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the republic is currently short about twenty to fifty billion in filthy fiats and a few thousand to thirty million engineer hours, depending who's counting the hours. not depending on who's hiring the engineers tho, you ~can't hire for this.
mircea_popescu: and truly there's no good reason to even justify chip fab if you're not going to do something that radical.
mircea_popescu: c compiler i suppose will have ~0 chances of happening, the horsies are pulling towards lisp.
jurov: i just checked in blockchain, blockr, and some 2-3 others
mircea_popescu: lemme rephrase. "there are more web-based blockexplorer than two. why do you say neither."
jurov: when i tested my mempool hack, I just dropped any priority requirements to have mempool filled quickly. I was surprised there were quite a few spammy tx that neither blockexplorer even knew of.
mircea_popescu: seems altogether likely.
asciilifeform: this, or to plant the coveted cunt-turnip.
asciilifeform: 'tis that, or fucking holes you auger in the earth yourself.
asciilifeform: which - they are.
mircea_popescu: "son, don't you want to marry this woman ?" "notrly." "well, you should!" "really ?" "yeah. except she's ugly." "well then ?" "but the other women are even uglier." "dad, you're really doing a bum job here."
asciilifeform: the most rational hatred of gentoo comes from folks who ask 'how do i freeze'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller were you noding@home ?
asciilifeform: blocks 1,001 other proggies, too
mircea_popescu: if they weren't so short.
mircea_popescu: in other random lulz, i wake up to three notifications from various parties spread about the world that transfers sent yesterday have not made it. upon examination, it's three times the case that the fiat world has failed to move money in 30 to 40 hours.
mircea_popescu: ftr, "the color of money" is so fucking bad, tom cruise prolly wrote the screenplay.
ben_vulpes: but clearly these are all points that only dirigible captains may discuss over hawala shortwave.
ben_vulpes: and to beleabour the point, ka^H^Hbitbet the scouting party sacrificed to establish the new front.
ben_vulpes: perhaps rifle cost is actually proportionate to value of $item! heck, a month like 7/15 would cover the loa^Hss.
ben_vulpes: how did blowing the coins serve to defend bitbet?
mircea_popescu: one day s.mg is going to do somethingwild like i dunno, acquire a paper clip. watch out then.
mircea_popescu: if the concern trolls in chan are in fact shareholders and to any degree representative for shareholder sentiment (which i deeply doubt, but w/e)... oy vey.
mircea_popescu: at the rate this is going, bitbet actually needs to buy a significant pool, which would go for oh... 10-20k ? i guess ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> what out-of-wot advice is this? and why send the wire twice instead of calling your drinking buddies who /use the same bank/ to ask if /their/ wires are in the habit of simply not showing up and what they've done in the past in the circumstances <<< you don't mean my drinking buddies who a) would take ANY explanation just as long as it doesn't mean gotta get off ass and b) would not be willing, broadly spea
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: perhaps the cartel got away. perhaps someone else cares to bet against mircea_popescu's bitcoin prognostications.
ben_vulpes: "what makes bitbet not fairlay" if i understand the kakobreka-ism
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:11:17; nubbins`: did you guys also like how the 17 btc of mp's own money that he lost is going to be taken from shareholder dividends?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424673 << the "mp or bb coins" question is trivially answerable by walking the blockchain and bitbet.
ben_vulpes: bitbet's addresses are not so much public as waved eagerly to the world, and mpex' barely advertised, and i'd split my sides laughing at the notion there was only the one public mpex address
ben_vulpes: what out-of-wot advice is this? and why send the wire twice instead of calling your drinking buddies who /use the same bank/ to ask if /their/ wires are in the habit of simply not showing up and what they've done in the past in the circumstances
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 18:06:28; mircea_popescu: you know how it sometimes happens that a platoon gets sent on a random patrol, ends up surprising a moving contingent of enemy, a flurry of radioing and reinforcing and whatnot happens and suddenly the front is in a new place ?
ben_vulpes: [02:12:30] [mircea_popescu] so then, upon advice, i sent it separately. and it went through within half hour. AFTER WHICH somehow the txn was magically found, and… this time it wasn't dropped from mempool ? what changed since last week, mempool is even bigger now. << most underexamined line in this whole saga to date.
TomServo: Lotza motza balls hanging out there.
BingoBoingo: Anyways here the only zoning ordinances seriously enforced without neighbor complaints are those on commercial signage, because marketing sucks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well just down the hill from here there is an arena where motor vehicles and farm equipment engage in gladatorial combat
BingoBoingo: Well, there's a ~15-20 foot tree that grew up as a weed and was neglected. Before taking it all the way down will convert it to pointed stake as I believe alf suggested as an idea in much earlier discussion
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One nugget you may have missed in the log shitting is that weather permitting this week I will attempt to do the tree to stake conversion for the art
mircea_popescu: and in other news, treeforts! http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3t0uiZva01r4p8klo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and the velvet fog aka mel torme was this very soppy lounge act / singer mostly on the old vegas circuit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought this was how you got momotaro, the peach pit samurai.
mircea_popescu: and this my dear alf is how slaves are born on the planet gor.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: a kaiju is one of those japanese monster from the films with the people in the suits
mircea_popescu: what was it, cher on every channel and the velvet fog on every radio ?
asciilifeform: everyone thinks this. until the world is replaced with brittle plastic.
mircea_popescu thought the 80s fucking sucked. then again, back then hadn't seen the 90s. 00s. 10s. etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i can almost imagine i live in 1980. << the things one yearns for
mircea_popescu: <assbot> with note: Thinks screaming at the dike plugs the hole <<< wait, did i just get called a fat homosexual woman ?
BingoBoingo: she prolly pooped in the car
shinohai: I almost felt sorry for the cops tasked with detaining her.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: did you see what they called in to get that hamplanet off the truck today? https://vid.me/2Z7A
asciilifeform: and holy shit, the chassis is ~steel~
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426161 << fwiw, some of the folks i showed that picture to, i suspect, literally creamed their pants
BingoBoingo: In other news, is that a dick on the right side? https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Geomar-43-days-640x410.png
asciilifeform: in the leningrad harbor.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: btc is the good ship aurora.
BingoBoingo: alf has boat, hanbot has dike, /me wonders what next metaphor for the waters BTC precariously insulates from will be
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for nubbins` with note: Thinks screaming at the dike plugs the hole. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424682 .
pete_dushenski off to train the next generation of would-be long track speedskaters
nubbins`: maybe toss a few more gem insults my way about my radiant wife or the fact that i'm financially unencumbered and spend my days in leisure
nubbins`: he can wait for the new deed and ignore that one too
nubbins`: and posted the PGP-signed text in chan
nubbins`: anyway, i deeded the thing myself earlier
trinque: this one sha256's the bundle (all messages of that hour separated by single \n), uses that as privkey
nubbins`: wonder if it's still the case
nubbins`: that was compatible with one of the early iterations
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trinque: danielpbarron: I will remove the dupe
trinque: I would bet his key's already in there
nubbins`: you owe me a satoshi if it feeds the same address as mine
nubbins`: danielpbarron in fairness nanotube probably doesn't like it either
nubbins`: out of curiosity, what's the "right way" to go about airing my grievances?
nubbins`: hey, ya don't like the argument, it's your choice to tune it out. doesn't make it invalid
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for nubbins` from 2 to -1 with note: for the purpose of turning the spam nozzle two clicks towards the off position, and in the interest of discovering whether a lord can be silenced or not
assbot: You rated user nubbins` on 30-Jun-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: He's good for a trade in the 1 bitcoin range..
nubbins`: sucks about the scammer she's shacked up with huh
hanbot: jurov i'll be doing that; ignoring him clears the shit from my client but not the nice logs, and after two attempts to get the guy to speak rather'n spew (just mine, mind you), we find the guy figures he's my "elder" because i asked some questions about gentoo, of all things.
nubbins`: ad hominem attacks: often used by people who have valid arguments and can defend them on merit alone
mircea_popescu: this whole "nubbins, the guy who made some funny observations" thing is certainly punching below his weight.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, i did mean about the ugly broad and the general waster attitude. who knows, maybe discovering how little credit he carries with the people he likes and who he flattered himself into seeing as equals provides the much needed impetuus to make something of himself.
nubbins`: for all the good it did, being a lord and all.
mircea_popescu: looky, a republic is not a democracy no matter on what face you turn the democracy pebble.
mircea_popescu: jurov> hanbot rabbling is better than silence <<< not really. see the jirinovski problem. an idiot spewing makes the discussion that much harder for saner people with meaningful things to say.
nubbins`: sign the statements, don't sign em, whatever
nubbins`: jurov pathetic :(
mircea_popescu: you think who and when decided what in a private corp is open to your inquiry because you have the ability to roll your eyes ?
nubbins`: it was his right to introduce a private expense to the business
nubbins`: ^ stop asking questions, in other words
nubbins`: where it says you can't just donate 17 btc to the public and expect bitbet to pick up the tab?
nubbins`: quote the whole 3.2 (h) maybe?
nubbins`: lol he selectively quoted so bad that he got half a word at the start.
nubbins`: it seems you need to ask explicit, short, direct questions to allow mp's mind to absorb them
mircea_popescu: "t, that all expenses charged against BitBet will exclusively reflect expenditure in good faith resulting from the operation of its business"
nubbins`: maybe explicitly ask about the inputs of B: whose money? BitBet's? MP's?
mircea_popescu: i had no idea he even wants or wanted the liability - but my guess is no, he didn't.
mircea_popescu: jurov contract demands unanimous agreement on dispositions of bitbet. if it's sold, say. it doesn't demand, nor has in practice been ever the case that its sought in all matters.
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mircea_popescu: i like guys on fult tilt too, is the weird thing.
nubbins`: danielpbarron also, as a lord, your clicks don't put me towards the off position at all
hanbot: jurov hehe what're you doing with such loaded questions? mind you, i'm not suggesting you're wrong for disagreeing or asking or anything of the sort. i'm just curious about your judgment of what i see as a guy on full tilt.
mircea_popescu: wanna complain, go negrate the set of power rangers that made this idiocy possible, da fuck already.
mircea_popescu: no idea why he imagines that'll carry, but whatever. it ain't gonna. he doesn't like bitcoin - he can either fix it or stick to cad.
mircea_popescu: cazalla everyone has very legit cause for complaint. the problem is that [the subsection of everyone who thinks the us is the world] imagines that the thing to do when you got legit cause of complaint is to try and identify a kulak and get him to admit his mistakes.
nubbins`: hanbot you'll notice that the adults in the chan actually engaged me in conversation: jurov, kako, alf, and others. it's only mp that's wagging his jaw and QQing
punkman: imho, bitbet can decide to spend its future profits on whatever they want, advertising, servers, or 100% bonuses to random bettors. it doesn't make me want to buy more bitbet shares of course.
jurov: hanbot surprise surprise i happen to agree with the "spewage" ant i asked similar questions
cazalla: nubbins`, sure, but now you're misrepresenting other issues
cazalla: nubbins`, mp did say you are more than free to have another lord relay any messages
nubbins`: pete_dushenski that well's gone dry. mp only pays hangers-on in shares these days
nubbins`: cazalla you'll notice that mp still has yet to address the fraud claims that kako's verified
nubbins`: asciilifeform and others who have partnered up with mp should keep a close eye on things from here on out
nubbins`: cazalla understand that in the face of abject fantasy, i have no choice
cazalla: fwiw, and isn't worth much, i think nubbins` has legit cause for complaint, shame to see the fangs and then venom flow though
pete_dushenski: "Randy asks Gerald if he'd ever had a gay fantasy and Gerald explains that he has always thought of watching another guy masturbate. The fantasy then becomes a reality."
nubbins`: "dump the ugly broad" is the best popescu can come up with as a rebuttal to legitimate accusations of fraud
cazalla: nfi, have not watched many of the more recent seasons
pete_dushenski: wasn't there a southpark about that ?/
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pod+Racing | When you jerk off two dicks at once. The dicks must be on each side, so it looks like you're pod racing.
pete_dushenski: podracing ? like the episode i thing ?
mircea_popescu: the long suffering s.nsa shareholders lol
mircea_popescu: do i charge s.nsa ? what's the shareholders think ?
asciilifeform: ever see picture of the 19th c. german one-man band things ?
mircea_popescu: looking forward to the nubbins 1g box so he can be a lord on his own merit for once.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm sure nubbins` will be done derping idly, dump the ugly broad, get the fuck out of the meaningless paper products shuffling, get back in math school and generally make himself useful. any day now.
asciilifeform: i have 256 fingers but they are all in some orifice.
asciilifeform: recently i contemplated doing a rotor port to a chinese tv box, 1G of ram, available for ~30 usd in qty. infinite. but when the fuck would i do this, a student ought to do this
mircea_popescu: re prev point : so yeah, most strong nodes will have multiple interfaces they look at. so most people (who know, as opposed of feeling like they know) aren't necessariyl surprised by ~some degree~ of sybiling.
asciilifeform: (the blkindex and mempool exhaustion)
asciilifeform: aside from the two listed earlier.
asciilifeform: the sad part is that i fixed pretty much all of the cthonic hell-pits that prevented pogo,
mircea_popescu: well yeah, had we had the pogos deployed last year or somesuch this might have been a very different story.
asciilifeform: the whole orchestra does no one any good if there is reliably amoebic scum between your console and the free world.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i have long seen nodes as an astonishingly weak point, which is why i pressed the whole pogo thing
asciilifeform: i am not in the habit of eating from arse.
mircea_popescu: i've encountered to signs of this animal, and this is such an unlikely event if there were a battle even ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that they, supposing there were brains anywhere involved, ~tried~ to fight the octopus but eventually lost.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i am on the stake.
mircea_popescu: davout i don't mean it as an attack or anything. and the question of exploring the negative is open now and will remain open until spec.
davout: now i'm unsure how to further go into negative bitcoin definition
asciilifeform: because that's who does the bulk of tx-ing
asciilifeform: the miners gotta accept tx from white devils
davout: mircea_popescu: well, it also "doesn't not work" in the sense that I sometimes have got transactions stuck because I'm a cheap zero-fee jew, that I got unstuck by issuing a double-spend
asciilifeform: sybil octopus can get between victim and miners as a whole. and yes, this is enabled by the concentration of hash power in a shithole kingdom.
asciilifeform: at any rate i am broadly unconvinced that network sybil octopus needs any kind of miners other than a small share of standard hashrate.
mircea_popescu: this is very different from the negative, "it doesn't not work".
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 23:20:09; mircea_popescu: you think you're running a node, because, symptomatically, in the windows definition of running code (hey, click items till it works) you are. but the sense of running code contemplated for bitcoin is negative, not positive, and you don't know how to check for that nor do you specifically care.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1425886 <<< well, I *am* running a node in the sense that I receive and broadcast transactions (with the occasional double-spend) just fine
mircea_popescu: it is also the first time i've seeing you err on THIS side ever before.
asciilifeform: it is quite unclear to me that they have the brains of a teenager writing trojans in vb in murmansk.
mircea_popescu: a supernode only grows in the shade of miner cartel.
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>davout: if it did not satisfy relaying rules, WHERE DID IT COME FROM on day x !? << once the backlog was cleared, it satisfied relaying rules once again?
mircea_popescu: because the other miners would have an incentive to destroy the miniminer's supernode, and there's jackl the miniminer could do to protect it.
mircea_popescu: back in the day bitcoin mining was healthy, after a fashion, pools came and went. they've been stable for a long time now.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've been thinking about your theory ever since, but i don't credit it asciilifeform. for one thing, it's unstable. seriously, supernode and miniminer ? it'd get torn apart.
davout: asciilifeform: it might also very well be that most nodes use similar relay policies and that A1 simply didn't satisfy the relaying rules
gribble: omg you guize i think he's actually just gonna pretend he hasn't defrauded bitbet and breached two sections of the contract
nubbins`: ;;echo omg you guize i think he's actually just gonna pretend he hasn't defrauded bitbet and breached two sections of the contract
mircea_popescu: you think you're running a node, because, symptomatically, in the windows definition of running code (hey, click items till it works) you are. but the sense of running code contemplated for bitcoin is negative, not positive, and you don't know how to check for that nor do you specifically care.
gribble: but where does that leave the 17 btc of your own funds that you put on bitbet's liability sheet?
nubbins`: ;;echo but where does that leave the 17 btc of your own funds that you put on bitbet's liability sheet?
mircea_popescu: or if you prefer, see phf's example with "my friend, the kgb agent"