asciilifeform: unrelatedly, i read http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427949 and wondering about footnote x. despite standing to lose some coin, i do not see how the bet ought to be seen as a sham
mircea_popescu: not so hastily, no. they only started copying under the last sultan, after russian defeat.
asciilifeform: after they hastily copied euros
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform twas deeply bureaucratic. the ENGLISH thought them overbureaucratized.
mircea_popescu: and since i mentioned the armenian genocide - the experience of erryday life among this lower class in the very wot-driven turkish empire quite exactly maps what i expect to be the lot of the keyless in the not-so-distant future.
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, turks carried on a healthy, 'asiatic' sort of unbureaucratized barbarism for quite some time - witness how well they got on, for how long, without banks, for instance
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not really, no. turks, at least at their height, quite solidly had 'fuhrerprinzip' - all officials, incl. vizir, personal slaves of sultan.
mircea_popescu: speaking of ancient arcana - who even noticed that the soviet ideas of central planning are a direct calc copy off the way turkish empire ran ?
thestringpuller: well i was more under the assumption philosopher stone of AI (a sorta Star Trek TNG "Data") doesn't currently have a means of existing
asciilifeform: it certainly added up to a coherent whole, at least once you cut away the obscurantist armour.
mircea_popescu: traditionally, lavoisier, i suppose. but mind that many people understood what you call chemistry long before the 1600s, and similarly an interest in alchemy survived long after.
mircea_popescu: anyway - i welcome the antivirus-based new gestapo. it will doubtlessly work as well as the new us model army, seen at the muchly trumpeted, quickly forgotten tikrit offensive.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the current crud exists just as alchemy once existed, you expect alchemist to understand modern chemistry?
mircea_popescu: let the beluga take its unfortunate form emergently to mr doctor X, so as to receive bookend implants.
mircea_popescu: working by analogy with the fruits in the marketr stall, or perhaps even herself and her sisters, her ladyship figured such : what is good is tough and rocky, what's overripe, soft, unrestrained in the belts of rubbery skin is obviously iunferior.
mircea_popescu: specifically, that these black roe, large and soft as were put before her, are evidently inferior to true black roe, as she always gets at [we're skipping this, lest we shame the third party]. which are small, much, much smaller, needle sized, and tough, so you can crack them in your teeth.
mircea_popescu: a young consumation girl [ie, whore], otherwise clever and vivacious, receiving some caviar aside the mug of vodka, proceeded to explain some matters t ome.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: perhaps different outlook, knowing you can't emulate human mind on current machines. perhaps the only way to "true AI" is some cyborg thing of a brain plugged up to machinery...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i will call this - ersatz cognition << the problem being that, much like in the case of blub, ersatz cognition can only be recognized by people not blessed with it.
asciilifeform: and is in fact just what the doctor ordered.
asciilifeform: for this, the 'artificial A-student' suffices.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the root of the matter is an elementary thing. google et al are deeply disinterested in cognition etc. but are paid for specific thing - solving the problem of usg needing an automated gestapo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but the other kind. << there's a deep reason the bayesian religion is widely appealing.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412496 << might be the thread you wanted ?
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i didn't really design that. was just the default theme for the latest wordpress << Fing and play with toolbox, and by play with I mean delete shit and make it more minimalist. Do leave the screenreader stuff in and if possibru improve it.
asciilifeform: hey the p in pm is fictional
asciilifeform: there it is.
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asciilifeform: i can post the fragment if you like.
mircea_popescu: the dog ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> looks like he's throwing the match ? << Possibru? COunting on people not knowing Go?
mircea_popescu: fucking dogs do it, some of them at least, as per that experiment discussed in the logs.
mircea_popescu: trinque> it also seems to suggest that mind-amplification << mind amplification is really an everyday thing. that's what b-a does, and before b-a that's what the internet tried, and before that books, and so on.
mircea_popescu: the one with the army which, going through a field, encounters the same problems all the previous ones did.
mircea_popescu: do you happen to remember the piece i'm looking for ?
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 01:31:16; mircea_popescu: "if thge best you can come up with is otp - give me back the cpu and take this mechanical gearbox instead"
asciilifeform: 'what, pray tell, was the in-between for ?' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: this puts us at approx. ancient greek state of the art.
trinque: this is what I'm aiming to say, that my friend has said he knows very little about *how* the brain forms a picture, only that it will (waves hands) learn to when given input representing one
asciilifeform: because all of the idiot grind ai teaches us NOTHING about thought.
asciilifeform: (for those who do not - eventually it became 'a sense', and when the thing fell out he was quite distressed and felt blinded)
trinque: it also seems to suggest that mind-amplification is a much nearer goal than AI, as the brain's own ability to handle new inputs can be leaned upon
trinque: the above doesn't seem to bode well for having a model of cognition any time soon
asciilifeform: trinque: do you recall the article where some fella implanted a small magnet into his finger ?
trinque: this leads to being able to wire visual inputs into the tongue, and having the brain eventually learn to make a picture from this
trinque: I have a friend in prosthetics who once explained at length to me that the brain doesn't begin knowing how to see, smell, etc
nubbins`: e.g. take twin brains, copy "save-state" from one to other; madness, frothing mouth.
asciilifeform: which quit working when moved to another room.
nubbins`: reminiscent of the bank of FPGAs learning to distinguish audio tones
asciilifeform: apologies for the l0g n0i53.
thestringpuller: the most interesting developments won't exist until neuro-interfaces exist.
asciilifeform: because, to heathens, it is often indistinguishable from the real thing, like the ersatz foods, plastic cars, and other detritus of modernity
asciilifeform: because, to heathens, it is often indistinguishable from the real thing, like the ersatz foods, plastic cars, and other detritus of modernity
thestringpuller: I really don't think you can actually decipher the nature of 'real thought' on current hardware. AI will always be an emulation of the authentic thing.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
asciilifeform: so you get a box that sorta, most of the time, does X, but 1) sometimes fails spectacularly for no apparent reason, as if 'alive' and 2) teaches the builder ~absolutely nothing~ useful about X
asciilifeform: but neither admitting any element of euriskoism
asciilifeform: other - brute force, or sometimes 'meat emulation'
asciilifeform: i.e. attempting to get to the bottom of what thought process ~is~, in a meaningful way
asciilifeform: one, typified by d. lenat's proggy 'eurisko' (see logs, i posted his s333kr1t paperz once) was of the sane sort
asciilifeform: consider, the bot was not the product of the 'knowing wtf you're doing' school of ai (which is long dead)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sad part is not even the 'destruction of go' -- but the new lease on life for the vc circus
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone recall the place in the log of that discussion of the nth army going through the same field, and seeing the same bridgeheads and valleys and whatnot ?
thestringpuller: and the dpb ascii art
thestringpuller: i was talking about your original website. the <pre> tags and ascii text and links
thestringpuller: yea. a lot of selling pressure recently. i think node blockchain survived I'll see when it tried to load the index tonight. definitely going to back this thing up daily...
nubbins`: investors apparently took the pronouncement as a sign of things... not being quite well.
nubbins`: if you look at the graph on http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE you can actually see the precise moment where MP announced his imaginary mining cartel.
nubbins`: i like how mp pretends to be ignoring me, but still fumbles through an insult directed my way whenever i give another prod
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu> and more importantly, because once expressed the current situation becomes tolerable << INtolerable, obviously. and in all fields. much like a smoky kitchen wall is tolerable for just as long as you don't see any actual white stuff for contrast. but bring in a new stove, suddenly the wall needs a paintjob too.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin, in any proper sense, means the republic, and the wot, and the forum, and so on. and similarly "cryptography" means "a bunch of derps on usenet" much in the same way space flight means chimps with monkeys. yes, the inclination to see inanimate objects fly is the same in both animals.
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin" in the sense of a collection of (whitepaper by satoshi, 2-3 shitty mutually exclusive prototypes by satoshi, even shittier code in prb) is much like "russia" in the sense of "the kiev kingdom".
asciilifeform: 3 is not a solution if you don't give a fuck about 'next generation' and would rather experience some sanity yourself, or die trying
mircea_popescu: (en passant : solution 3 is readily apparent, and it begins with selectively beating your children - the runts to death ; and then continuing in this manner. and there's plenty more.)
mircea_popescu: and more importantly, because once expressed the current situation becomes tolerable, or the statal / feminine definition of intelligence is "measure of capacity to adapt to environment [that we designed to suit ourselves]".
asciilifeform: there are strictly two 'solutions' i know of, 1) get born as mircea_popescu and stay on dirigible as much as possible 2) go perelman and live in the forest with bears and lynx
mircea_popescu: the list is more or less endless. the problem, more or less felt by everyone (ie, by all persons) and not expressed clearly and rigurously by anyone, because dunno how.
mircea_popescu: oh, more radio stations ? great, now the cars are all designed by imbeciles for imbeciles. let's make more houses in autocad! this is how a city looks!
mircea_popescu: sure, so you keep the nubbins` out of your house. great. they're going to put some shit on the radio. popculture!!1
mircea_popescu: people are stuck importing the bleating of moo moos all over the field and in all sorts of capacities, without any sort of modulation at their disposal, even.
mircea_popescu: 1 should be easy to expand upon. you are familiar with the issues of maintaining software in the beleaguered c world, from what i've seen in the logs. such as you know, no more static linking now. gotta support utf now. (most relevant here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-02-2016#1418193 )
asciilifeform: 1) 'the major problem...' and 2) 'which is what... even mean'
mircea_popescu: we're not fucktarded lunacharsky to imagine that "oh, will resist narkopomps in the field". fuck that stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much, for the obvious reason. we care about the heads of things, not the tail of things.
mircea_popescu: which is what, in any proper sense of the term, "bitcoin" and "crypto" even mean. not fucking pgp as seen by the zimmerman that "oh i don't even have the key anymore"
asciilifeform: not so much. but will, when bot is portable and 'griefers' start connecting it to igs, the way chess asshats do
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem, at least to my eyes. it was just as large, if not nearly as expressible, before the age of bitcoin. by which, to be perfectly specific, i do not mean satoshi crapolade. i mean bitcoinb as in tmsr, and wot and ba and such.
mircea_popescu: for instance - everyone now invested in go has had his life rearranged by lee sedol's rather erratic behaviour.
mircea_popescu: the problem with loving go, like "loving science", like generally all sorts of investments of the self children are forced into, is that they end up importing "the people".
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:33:19; *: mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.
mircea_popescu: or else i'd be rather pissed off today.
mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.
nubbins`: mp's analogies are so muddled that they're not even decipherable
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:26:24; nubbins`: more like "case 2: the shop pays a cleaner once a month to clean rugs. random asshole thought the rug cleaners weren't coming so he paid a second rug cleaning service to clean the rugs. then the regular rug cleaners came and cleaned the rug again. then random asshole tries to bill the shop for a needless rug cleaning that he ordered himself"
mircea_popescu: in other korean news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4be2b49cdae985da75fe2dfa77328553/tumblr_methp93NfS1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
nubbins`: more like "case 2: the shop pays a cleaner once a month to clean rugs. random asshole thought the rug cleaners weren't coming so he paid a second rug cleaning service to clean the rugs. then the regular rug cleaners came and cleaned the rug again. then random asshole tries to bill the shop for a needless rug cleaning that he ordered himself"
mircea_popescu: he expects he lost ON THE EARLY GAME ?!
mircea_popescu: "I dont regret accepting this challenge," said Lee. "I am in shock, I admit that, but what's done is done. I enjoyed this game and look forward to the next. I think I failed on the opening layout so if I do a better job on the opening aspect I think I will be able to increase my probability of winning."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the folks who work on bots, largely don't play (with any degree of seriousness)
mircea_popescu: DeepMind founder Demis Hassabis expressed "huge respect for Lee Se-dol and his amazing skills," calling the game "hugely exciting" and "very tense." Team lead David Silver said it was an "amazing game of Go that really pushed AlphaGo to its limits."
asciilifeform: looks like he's throwing the match ?
mircea_popescu: "I was very surprised," said Lee after the match. "I didn't expect to lose. I didn't think AlphaGo would play the game in such a perfect manner.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 04:10:08; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr, "the police sh
mircea_popescu: adlai> lee sedol resigns. wtf? << are they buying this or wtf.
punkman: I played online tournaments with Apprentice a lot for a while. Now I wonder what kind of security/crypto the thing implemented, if any.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 03:31:17; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427413 << my brother was once a game programmer, for a co. that has died many years ago, and they had the contract of producing the 'official' mtg client. he had to learn the rules of the game, with much loathing, and play it for year+ straigh, all day, every day, with loathing, possibly more hours than just about anyone alive
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427481 I remember the official client was impossibly clunky and annoying when I used it. Must have been an epic quest to cover all the edge cases in the game's rules. "Apprentice" was kinda cool, just gave you a tabletop and you had to manually make all the moves.
punkman: adlai: lee sedol resigns. wtf? << interesting. maybe someone should open another bet? you'd get nice odds betting on "No" now
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fluffypony: I generally agree with the "don't be a giant douchenozzle" principle, and as long as employees are operating in any capacity representing one of my companies they don't have permission to be a giant douchenozzle on my behalf (what they do in their own time and of their own volition I don't care about)
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: we signed it by show of hands - it was just a commitment to encourage tolerance and respect in the ecosystem, and if any of our employees overstep that we will reprimand them
mircea_popescu: and in other goodnight news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/46dad3e52c8433bc64e655fc5532e7fb/tumblr_methweCg4H1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: trinque> rather than dissect it, I wish to stop using the wallet entirely (as I did before with btcd) and just write a sendrawtxn for shiva <<< a raw tx manipulator for trb is prolly a very useful item, really.
adlai: more technicaly commentary at https://www.youtube.com/user/USGOWeb/live and the game's moves on a clicky board where you can go back and forth at https://online-go.com/demo/114161
pete_dushenski: in other turning-shit-into-gold news, http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/04/15/japanese-craftsmen-strike-again-make-old-beat-up-book-look-as-good-as-new/
trinque: if only it were possible to select the transactions referencing a given address whose outputs are referenced by no other transaction's inputs
pete_dushenski: and it just stays like that indefinitely, but still allows for further spending ?
trinque: yeah, I want the change coming right back to the deed address, so I use sendmany and explicitly state the change
trinque: I haven't. doesn't that send change back to some other address which is part of the "account" ?
trinque: it may be limited to the sendmany RPC; that's what I'm using
pete_dushenski: were you importing into wallets that already had a balance ? just trying to understand the boundaries of this phenomenon
trinque: rather than dissect it, I wish to stop using the wallet entirely (as I did before with btcd) and just write a sendrawtxn for shiva
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trinque: loses track of balance and I have to delete wallet.dat and reimport the key
trinque: pete_dushenski: his patches have never failed me; the wallet itself on the other hand does consistently
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 03:49:24; asciilifeform: how the FUCK does anyone use 'pywallet.'
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427505 << have you tried funky's patch for importprivkey ? has... anyone here tried it that can share feedback on the experience ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427504 << read as 'headfist mining by gavinandresen', thought this sounded like a brighter, cheekier side of the old coon.
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pete_dushenski: the price is right. $395 is ~half iphone
adlai: michael redmond is working on the "lee sedol's new haircut" side
mircea_popescu: is michael redmond actually working on the google side ?
adlai: aha. this is the english commentary, and on the other side of the wall is the korean commentary. they probably speak real go terms over there.
adlai: it's helpful for people who have never actually played go but the 9p (lighter suit, who does most of the talking) is a little wasted, explaining these most basic things
mircea_popescu: why, they added yelps and some young buttocks ?
adlai: unfortunately it seems their target audience are those who just channel surfed their way over from tennis
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and whats with the derps walking hunched in front of the camera << It's a common reflex among people who don't grok how cameras work in relation to their body.
mircea_popescu: i kinda appreciate the irony of the talk radio derps having chairs but only for display, not to sit in
mircea_popescu: certainly go with the whole "not really playing, just waiting for human player donations"
mircea_popescu: if it makes the 5 line i'm gonna stop watching this.
adlai: just kept playing the most "consolidating" moves
asciilifeform: the box plays very conservatively and waits for meat player to slip
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it looks pretty poorly for the bot atm.
mircea_popescu: jesus the actual game is on the insert to the right ? wtf is with that country srsly.
mircea_popescu: omfg what is with the talking schmucks.
asciilifeform: if that is the word.
asciilifeform: the game is ~dozen mov. in.
asciilifeform: fucktardedly, the talkingheads of alphago are prattling in front of an ~empty~ vertical go board. The game per se is a small corner inset !
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr, "the police should pay for the ca
mircea_popescu: wait, did the korean lose ?
nubbins`: maybe try sending again from MPEx funds and then bill it to bitbet?
asciilifeform: they should ALL burn.
asciilifeform: so i go and send on another box and guess what, it had previous trb, and tx is high-s.
asciilifeform: how the FUCK does anyone use 'pywallet.'
nubbins`: pretty even odds there
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 23:34:32; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99 << it's about even money neh ?
nubbins`: phun phact, the first drip coffee machine i ever owned, i was making double-strength pots for the first 6 months until i made a cup for a guest one day
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: A bit watery as is the 13th tradition
nubbins` enjoys thick black coffee that makes his throat feel the way it felt when he smoked cigs
nubbins`: BingoBoingo how was the coffee
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427419 << he bought it to play games, and told the story in the logz, it was lulzy
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427413 << my brother was once a game programmer, for a co. that has died many years ago, and they had the contract of producing the 'official' mtg client. he had to learn the rules of the game, with much loathing, and play it for year+ straigh, all day, every day, with loathing, possibly more hours than just about anyone alive in total. still can barel
asciilifeform: you forgot the actual cost.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: for the crate.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i need the quote
kakobrekla: perhaps full and nonfull is not the best word as they cant be really full, just large or small.
nubbins`: mempools in 2013 were ghost towns, and there's hanbot still saying that 0-fee is for idiots
kakobrekla: they also arent comparable in a sense not having full mempools in 2013 and having full mempools in 2016.
nubbins`: danielpbarron her statement doesn't contain the qualifiers you mention -- by my understanding of english syntax, she's making a blanket statement.
nubbins`: danielpbarron: do you agree with hanbot in the linked thread that failing to use tx fees is mooching?
mircea_popescu: this, iirc, is in the bbet statement.
nubbins`: also from the mouth of hanbot: "You weren't caught in some occult and unknowable coincidence that was out of your hands. You either didn't make sure you understood the basics of using bitcoin, or else you decided not to care. In either case, it is you that will have to adjust (and I do earnestly hope that you do; there are a lot of resources on this very forum, on IRC, and around the web that can help)."
nubbins`: from the mouth of hanbot : "Failing to use tx fees is mooching. Using a (notoriously inept) "service" that fails to use tx fees is also mooching."
asciilifeform: you haven't seen the post in my town...
mircea_popescu: palantir may be above elon musk, but the whole thing is a "youth communist movement" side project.
mircea_popescu: mcdonalds has higher priority than walmart, which has higher priority than the army.
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 23:35:45; mircea_popescu: assbot> Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trumps ascendancy << somebody's worried about being cutoff from wasting public funds to maintain their "businesses" or wut.
mircea_popescu: i think i actually might have played this on the ipad back when i did teh "literature survey" for s.mg
TomServo: same. I should prolly divest them along with my bitcoins, eh?
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mircea_popescu: it took five passes until "Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu" coallesced into " Reverse of the (everybody is MP) deal. Everbody is bobciu"
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Some things/people change. Others simply change the body they reside in. Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu
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BingoBoingo: some old references there
hanbot: mircea_popescu meh, i guess eskimociuciu has eternal representation so long as the current voice distributes so much chum.
nubbins`: i was done until mp decided he'd have another shot at his trump impersonation
mats: is this feud going to be an ongoing thing in the logs now
nubbins`: until then, you're kinda just a dr. forehead but better at bleeding cash
nubbins`: hanbot i just heard about your 58mn ECu loss -- maybe when you're able to do something other than run the mouth and lose money, people might care what you have to say?
mircea_popescu: ben_vouspes now try sha512("(and if you say anything other than "no it was in my mempool" to this list of easy to explain coincidences, you lose)")
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 23:10:34; ben_vouspes: nubbins`: and until bitcoin accounting standards include "these are the coins i am reporting on my balance sheet" this best case/worst case ambiguity will remain.
mircea_popescu: ben_vouspes> as predicted. << predicted my foot. you've prolly not even noticed that trilema's previous article was "color of money", or that the current one continues in the "trolling the idiots" vein.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne not that there's any hurry. lemme see, something that's more accessible, perhaps interesting, not very ro context-y...
mircea_popescu: assbot> Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trumps ascendancy << somebody's worried about being cutoff from wasting public funds to maintain their "businesses" or wut.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99 << it's about even money neh ?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne> nubbins`: tbf while using the company wallet << there is no such thing as "the company wallet".
mircea_popescu: hehehe. so go for it. but note that the guy was a native speaker. trilema, and especially ro trilema, is incredibly tense. in fact i do not believe harder source text exists in the whole 2k year history of the place.
williamdunne: asa si asa, there is my start
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> what is personal life? is there impersonal life? << funny enough, this actually came up in the harem recently. i liked the conclusion. public are all matters which can be expressed such that all the individuals who know of them can accept the expression. private is everything else.
mircea_popescu: the point is to crush, not to extend, the relevancy of old world idiocy into the new.
mircea_popescu: ben_vouspes> mpex paying out bitbet bettors, megafuckinglol if true. << one day you'll comprehend what this "there is no bitcoin taint" thing means.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne> Are people working on translating old Trilema articles from Romanian? << there was a guy, gabrielradio, did some so-so work. it is HARD.
mircea_popescu: the whole incident is certainly a fine example of why b-a and the world generally can't work as a "mp supported" thing. gotta be very expensive to be a lord, or else self-flattery is much to powerful a force.
mircea_popescu: peterl is kinda the same, trying to hang on to the train, which is moving kinda fast and so on.
mircea_popescu: then that bizarre theory got put to the test and it broke like a bridge made out of rickety reeds and now the unspeakable happened, and there is the mirror and oh god the horror.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile other people did things, and there he sat on ass, thinking to himself "oh heh, am i fucking special - all these idiots are sweating bullets and i think i'm exactly the same as them but much smarter because I'm not even doing anything!". aka sprezzatura, ie what happens when you overfeed and underbeat the children.
mircea_popescu: he sat in the chan counting his bellybutton lint for years, making inept arguments about pointless shit - he lost all of them, but hey, as long as mp doesn't come straight out with "you're stupid, go back to school" one needn't notice this actually happened, can just as well pretend that blabla.