assbot: 15th blown, other statements. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJIACU )
diana_coman: what's wrong with a textfile per se thestringpuller ?
jurov: ended up with horrible hack whereby in the process of deserialization the values are clandestinely pushed into lisp list...
nubbins`: the only developer, i guess
nubbins`: thestringpuller sounds like a job for.... whomever
thestringpuller: placing art in that game is a PITA. the planeshift engine (on top of cs) comes with 0 middleware.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2013 13:46:32; nubbins`: sneak peek of a concept sketch for the Eulora heraldics: http://imgur.com/Rx0KQDZ
nubbins`: we created all of the heraldics for the family lines (yet to be implemented), i also produced the first round of OS X compilation instructions and helped get eulorum set up / own the domain
punkman: is "lower someone into pederasty" a russian thing? the phrase never made much sense to me
nubbins`: danielpbarron i did several parcels of work for the ministry of games, in paid official capacity as well as volunteer/unofficial capacity.
nubbins`: thanks, third-party graphic designer who obviously knows what they're doing
nubbins`: BRUSHSTRIKE: Font not found on the system; missing font has been substituted. DKSensoryOverload: Font not found on the system; missing font has been substituted. Eminent: Font not found on the system; missing font has been substituted. Freshman: Font not found on the system; missing font has been substituted. JerseyM54: Font not found on the system; missing font has been substituted.
nubbins`: besides, i didn't quote you without context, i *misquoted* you in the *midst* of context. jeez.
nubbins`: once i checked the log, i understood that you actually "stabbed" me
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: "Pederasty is an ancient Greek form of interaction in which members of the same sex would partake in the pleasures of an intellectual and/or sexual relationship as part of a socially acceptable ancient custom " << uh ok...
punkman: anyway, doesn't hurt to come up with a pricetag. who knows maybe the satoshi hoard might move this year.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron must have eaten that last vial of lsd! i sincerely wish him a good trip. but now i gotta go and start the engine and ride to the place where i sit on a stake for most every day.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: mircea_popescu believes (and i'm not convinced that he's wrong) that hiring people lowers them into pederasty. and he's the ~only fella with money here. so then.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428558 <<< true, all these points neatly coalesce into "actually being money" anyway
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:41:33; asciilifeform: i was willing to deal with the cpp miseryu of trb because 1) it pre-dates bitcoin being valuable 2) it was - and remains - the schelling point, 'father's pistols'
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428526 <<< have to disagree here, bitcoin had value to me sometime in 2010, the minute i finished the white-paper
asciilifeform: the 'reddit appeal' of what we do is ~0, and this is PROPER, and it is in many ways a barometer of doing The Right Thing
asciilifeform: i am having to work 14-18 hrs/day (including slavemine) just to make some of these not-happenings possibly happen.
asciilifeform: just liek many other things, won't be happening.
asciilifeform: but re: the sommelier thing, i would happily supply folks with sane hardware, but this would 1) take serious time & effort while 2) wouldn't pay my billz
asciilifeform: and don't recommend to others to do it!
asciilifeform: i don't buy whole computer (other than portables, for restricted uses)
asciilifeform: i have NO use for btc other than escape glider from my auschwitz
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:17:49; davout: to me there are exactly two use cases for bitcoin/blockchain
asciilifeform: it melted my brain that he even half-seriously hinted at the possibility of such a thing.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 10:43:06; mircea_popescu: in other news - it still remains likely that this summer will see a bevy of various hardforks on offer. practically speaking, trb can offer either its own candidate, which takes a lot of work, or else sit tight and we'll follow the more intelligent of the avaialble offerings, which takes less work but also implies a lot of risk - experience to date shows that there's precious little intelligence avai
asciilifeform: i will repeat, i have NO interest in any 'bitcoin replacement' originating from outside of the wot.
asciilifeform: so if you lot end up surrendering, i will simply have to add 'bitcoin replacement' to my already tall pile of 'redo computing' pyramid, slowly grind it in my mostly nonexisting spare time, and wait another 20 years to find a new set of sane people, if i live that long.
asciilifeform: it would, i suspect, take me 1/2 y to 1y of UNINTERRUPTED full time to come up with the goods. which pointedly isn't in any danger of happening.
asciilifeform: (i loathe ada, but this needs a BOUNDS-CHECKED language where i can AUDIT THE BINARY and NO RUNTIME COMPONENT / GC - which leaves exactly ONE)
asciilifeform: this pointedly does not mean that i am interested in attempting to wash the smell of shit off a rando sickly rat from rando sewer.
shinohai: I will use trb as long as it works on the overall network, failing that I will have to find something else to occupy my time.
asciilifeform: i was willing to deal with the cpp miseryu of trb because 1) it pre-dates bitcoin being valuable 2) it was - and remains - the schelling point, 'father's pistols'
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 10:49:38; mircea_popescu: so far, nsa-gavin, prb and [prolly] the miner cartel are all preparing something or the other.
asciilifeform: because not separable from usg in any meaningful way except - DEFINITIONALLY - by entering the wot and doing a LONG tour of duty as a Real Person
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 10:43:06; mircea_popescu: in other news - it still remains likely that this summer will see a bevy of various hardforks on offer. practically speaking, trb can offer either its own candidate, which takes a lot of work, or else sit tight and we'll follow the more intelligent of the avaialble offerings, which takes less work but also implies a lot of risk - experience to date shows that there's precious little intelligence avai
asciilifeform: (it is certainly where most of the ones i ever had, went.)
asciilifeform: losing at bbet is pretty much the only place i can blow btc !
asciilifeform: moar of the same.
fluffypony: all rational, thinking people have known this to be the expected outcome from the very beginning
kodemurani: That report on ethereum is rather discouraging. (why ehtereum project will most likely fail) :-(
davout: to me there are exactly two use cases for bitcoin/blockchain
fluffypony: most people building crap on top of "a blockchain" have no idea why they're doing so
fluffypony: and I asked them why they were building on Ethereum, and despite much hand-waving they couldn't give me an actual reason
shinohai: "This is the Ethereum app directory with all non-working, gambling and meta apps removed." https://i.imgur.com/9OFeOiG.png <<< I kek'd at this.
fluffypony: davout: I made that exact argument at a meetup in Berlin last year where someone presented some junk they're building on Ethereum
davout: "The best case scenario for most of these projects is that there are end user benefits for other reasons, and that Ethereum is not required to deliver them. The complexity, and cost, of doing blockchain based products will in such cases eventually drive such products off chain, the same way changetip eventually went off-chain, and now recently into fiat mode."
shinohai: Ether is simply a Rube Goldbergesque way of making money for it's founder to buy a lifetime supply of Retin-A. When he has it *poof*
davout: ached is a big part of making this type of crowdfunding effective. Even worse, the project organizer could always fund the remainder of the contract privately, hence it is not at all clear that there is any actual gain of security. While it was a nice use of SIGHASH_ALL, it really solved a non-problem"
davout: "The lesson of the very well built lighthouse Bitcoin project, which has resulted in no more than a few thousand dollars of funding over the past years, has to be that there is extremely little value to be gained by introducing trustless escrow in crowdfunding. Even if you wanted to crowdfund something very controversial, where traditional web platforms will ban you, its not at all clear that disintermediating holding funds before cap is re
davout: kodemurani: https://medium.com/@bedeho/why-your-ethereum-project-will-most-likely-fail-d14b6d8f1c7c#.oqv393xrf <<< interesting, re ether
kodemurani: Thanks shinohai. Going through the logs
shinohai: Plenty of discussion here. When there isn't, there is a plethora of information in the logs.
kodemurani: Thank you danielpbarron for the voice
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 10:43:46; mircea_popescu: in any case we should prolly have a strategy discussion here. paging mod6 asciilifeform jurov trinque phf an' the other interested parties.
mircea_popescu: so far, nsa-gavin, prb and [prolly] the miner cartel are all preparing something or the other.
mircea_popescu: in any case we should prolly have a strategy discussion here. paging mod6 asciilifeform jurov trinque phf an' the other interested parties.
mircea_popescu: in other news - it still remains likely that this summer will see a bevy of various hardforks on offer. practically speaking, trb can offer either its own candidate, which takes a lot of work, or else sit tight and we'll follow the more intelligent of the avaialble offerings, which takes less work but also implies a lot of risk - experience to date shows that there's precious little intelligence available outside the w
mircea_popescu: assbot> RIP Google PageRank score: A retrospective on how it ruined the web << this is not an idle comment. google, like every other usg item, like usg collectively, was entrusted with great responsibility in many fields after the war.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> for the 5 people or so worldwide << oif which apparently two here ?
assbot: RIP Google PageRank score: A retrospective on how it ruined the web ... ( http://bit.ly/1TvcDRh )
asciilifeform: the thing also can, apparently, emulate an sram, and even generically master an 8-bit bus
gernika: oh yeah - wasn't clear to me how to plug the thing in
asciilifeform: comes with two snakes, can stuff right in the place of a 1980s rom.
gernika: ok. bleh. one more laptop laying around the house couldn't hurt I guess.
asciilifeform: but to go back to original question, yes, winblowz crapolade runs on boxes designated for the purpose
asciilifeform: lulzily, eerom uses ~same chipset as the linked ^ above !!
asciilifeform: for the 5 people or so worldwide who give a fuck.
gernika: asciilifeform: do you operate the EE Tools EeRom-8U (I think you referenced it in the logs recently) with windows? If so, with which 10 foot pole?
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 23:49:08; mircea_popescu: i suppose to be cracked the same way all of them get cracked - guy with immense downlist and very well connected gets off his lazy, stupid fiat-ass and goes through the wot selection process. then has enough spots specific and high level enough to interest the locals. seems a tall order.
asciilifeform: but yes, the ONLY possible thing i would ever consider a job upgrade is ... not having to leave the house, or talk
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428365 << i do unspeakable things to pay billz (not in a literal cube, but this is the ~one~ saving grace)
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 23:44:28; mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way he could have made economic sense was by marketing the spare cycles of well connected people here - outside.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1428363 << ahahahaha ad if there were connected people here !
BingoBoingo: In other lulz http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Anonymous-tip-claims-raw-milk-caused-illnesses-at-Capitol-371487251.html
nubbins`: ^ re: the20yearplan / rentalstarter
mircea_popescu: anyway. apparnetly, not married, living together for 15 years, he owns the house, she's basically a tramp, dude drinks and nonconsensually humiliates the woman, had been driving her nuts the whole night, she lost it, is now sorry, tried to fix on teh spot, visits at hospital etc.
mircea_popescu: (the issue seems to be over not getting flowers for 8th march, "mother's day" in commie lands)
mircea_popescu: what, next you're going to say we have actual proof the usg had been running a string of massive conspiracies, such as you know, inserting backdoors in software, such as "parallel construction", such as iran contra, such as whatever the hell.
mircea_popescu: large scale conspiracy such as telling idiots they're not idiots could never happen. why would an idiot ever believe he's not an idiot ?!
mircea_popescu: no dude it is mathematically impossibru!
asciilifeform: well they had manhattan project but then ran out of conspiratronium so dun work no moar
mircea_popescu: thanks god we got rid of algebra ii in time for the education of arstechnica staff.
assbot: Large-scale conspiracies are mathematically impossible to keep quiet | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/220WMyP )
mircea_popescu: in other news, arstechnica "mathematically proves" holocaust never happened : http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/02/large-scale-conspiracies-are-mathematically-impossible-to-keep-quiet/
mircea_popescu: "why would i ??!?! i am going to be the president of the united states!" "because you're one twist away from being an idiot" "so ?!"
mircea_popescu: i suppose to be cracked the same way all of them get cracked - guy with immense downlist and very well connected gets off his lazy, stupid fiat-ass and goes through the wot selection process. then has enough spots specific and high level enough to interest the locals. seems a tall order.
mircea_popescu: that seems workable on the surface - until you realise that the one thing being here promises is that those people won't generally WANT to work for $cubefarm.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way he could have made economic sense was by marketing the spare cycles of well connected people here - outside.
fluffypony: yeah, seemed a colossal waste of time in the end
mircea_popescu: when s.mg needed a tech hand diana_coman got it ; the job wasn't on the market nor would s.mg have continued had the job had to go to the market.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony tbh i did spend some time thinking about it - then. i don't see how what he was trying to do could have worked. why the everloving would someone here eschew the benefit of the wot and "hire someone to hire" for you ?
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Azelphur: At least, the above is what I was told by one of his supposed clients
Azelphur: something like that, only minus the team I guess?
Azelphur: I worked for him for a little over a year, he stopped paying me, now I hear he's taking web dev work and telling clients I'm working on their projects...I quit back in December and have no knowledge of said projects
mircea_popescu: a while back, yeah. don't think it worked out too well in the end.
Azelphur: fluffypony: that's the one
fluffypony: wasn't he the headhunter trying to hire staff for everyone?
gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, 35 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42
mircea_popescu: about the RagnarDanneskjol fellow ? i have no idea what he does tbh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "> This last post from you indicates clearly that your horizon is limited and you are allergic to new ideas and cannot bring facts and rationale to your statements. Pray tell, just what are the new ideas in Clojure? The idea of setting up an ersatz Lisp on top of the JVM is not the least bit new. Neither is immutable data." << readily the best bit in there. and it is pretty good as it is.
mircea_popescu: ^ can start there JBBetter
mircea_popescu: well, for that you'll have to get into the wot, establish yourself, read the logs for a while...
JBBetter: ok, hopefully can message me. Want to discuss about the platform
JBBetter: Are there developers in here for bitbet.us?
asciilifeform: 'if yer so smart, why aintcha rich!' 'paulgraham hates you, the gods forsake you'
asciilifeform: what, then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, "confronting tghe offender with the inconsistency of his own view ~in his own terms~" does not at all mean "geting him to stop being an idiot". not in any sense.
mircea_popescu: ah, but that's besides the point.
asciilifeform: the idiots have an impenetrable armour plate
mircea_popescu: yes, your dismissal of dear luc is, by some sort of exterior standard, correct. this is not the same as confronting the offender with the inconsistency of his own view ~in his own terms~, which is what i had in mind.
mircea_popescu: all its friends in the forest brought it gifts. items that they themselves would have preferred.
mircea_popescu: one day, it was the turtle's birthday.
asciilifeform: and if not this, then i prolly don't even rightfully apprehend what mircea_popescu had in mind
mircea_popescu: "Dear Luc prefontaine, > Your last post shows how little you know about Clojure. Your arguments show how little experience (or memory thereof) you have with genuine, interactive, conceptually-consistent Lisp systems."
mircea_popescu: you probably realise already that once the reference has to be "whole thread" i win.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my takeaway from that is that 2012 alfie does not yet know how to go for the jugular of idiots. just identifies things to be angry about, gets angry about them and flails.
mircea_popescu: yeah but trilema is larger than verge for traffic, not quite the same.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many wwwtrons the same size actually have this phenomena, where 3 yo article tops the charts. happens to me rather frequently.
assbot: And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvB8Kx )
mircea_popescu: amuysingly, trilema's most read item this month is http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/
asciilifeform: but this latter thing exists in the way nuke power existed in '44.
mircea_popescu: ALSO for the job of rescuing children, "social media", or rather, the social media facade of b-a works better than iq.
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: it only ever worked like that "fairness" thing, what was the short story ?
mircea_popescu: "find the children that, on their own strength, may see through the idiocy and give them really heavy stones to lift so they don't".
asciilifeform: thing is, they actually do a job.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's that.
asciilifeform: not these.
mircea_popescu: anyway, while we differ on what we color iq-ism in, or what you eventually expect it to do, i don't think there's actual disagreement as to what it does.
asciilifeform: ~because~ : computer - NEVER HAPPEND there.
asciilifeform: incidentally, do you have any idea how idiotically SECRETIVE the community is ?
asciilifeform: it isn't a breakage. iq does not test the 'rng' (eysenck's 'psychoticism')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even that reliably. savant still stupid. it DID work to destroy any usable (by us) notion of stupidity, as far as the harpy wailchorus is concerned.
trinque: we've been and will be bolting things to ourselves for far longer than understanding how we're capable of using them
mircea_popescu: trinque you familiar with the pigeon rewiring experiments ?
trinque: point was the exact opposite
trinque: +asciilifeform | but the 'brain learns' thing is pure nonexplanatory obscuratronium. << what, you thought I was satisfied with "learns" as a complete description?
mircea_popescu: entirely meaningless otherwise.
mircea_popescu: heck, the iq nonsense EVEN EXISTS because people get antsy and prefer to pretend.
asciilifeform: and in the latter case - don't
mircea_popescu: i can formulate the flight equivalent of iq ; you can not formulate the cognitive equivalent of energy.
asciilifeform: computer, as i like to point out, very much is a boeing with feathers.
asciilifeform: i would say that we ~understand~ a thing if we can fully separate the ~accidental~ complexity of it from the ~essential~.
mircea_popescu: the general complexity of the cell is perhaps the chief lie of popular conception of biology. "oh yeah, nucleus, cytoplasm, yeah i recall". you recall my left foot. golgi apparatus. a whole set of vacuoles. the nucleus has a membrane in layers. there's dozens of different items in there we don't even fully enumerate - and your understanding isn't good enough to stand for the mithocondria, which, incidentally, also has
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's very little to be explained, so far. "the brain consists of a varying set of individual cells, in the billions, which have a number of internal states that have not yet been enumerated either in the collective or reliably individual cases, which connect to other cells through a process they apparently to some degree control but is not otherwise understood, forming patters that are not meaningfully
asciilifeform: but the 'brain learns' thing is pure nonexplanatory obscuratronium.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 16:38:47; asciilifeform: 'what, pray tell, was the in-between for ?' (tm) (r)
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 16:31:41; trinque: this leads to being able to wire visual inputs into the tongue, and having the brain eventually learn to make a picture from this
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427882 << hey, and the brain learns to make a food out of hamburgers eventually.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 16:31:18; trinque: I have a friend in prosthetics who once explained at length to me that the brain doesn't begin knowing how to see, smell, etc
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427880 << ftr, this restatement of the plasticity propriety oif the cnc is mostly made of your tradesman's self-flattery (all civilisation is predicated on tramway, sez conductor. neh, on beer, sez publican).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lsd is ~very~ unstable unless dry crystal kept in the dark. hence why it did not work out as chemical weapon.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: they have these bar stools at work for the high tables. the obese people will sit on them and so the pneumatic pump goes out. so now when a normal person sits on it, it slowly sinks down. everytime it happens I'm like "yup an obese person sat on this"
mircea_popescu: didn't they drink it in cool-aid w/e ?
mats: a pound of the stuff in a local water source sounds like an interesting experiment
mircea_popescu: but in other "military relations in basements" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7frgkSwrS1rycxrdo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: besides, what the fuck he drank three ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basement could be arbitrarily large because of the nuclear shelter fashion.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> to whomever was running a brute force on my wordpress login << there's thousands of boxes working this 24/7. "seo industry".
mircea_popescu: srsly, 3 TONS of the stuff ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quote re scientist with the army rations and lsd barrels.
mircea_popescu: "It is not yet known if or when Dr. Winston will be convicted of any crime." indicted, convicted, WHAT THE HELL'S THE DIFFERENCE
mircea_popescu: "The Police recovered over $500,000 worth of lab equipment stolen from the University, along with 3 hand guns, an assault rifle, 50 years worth of military grade rations and twelve 55 gallon barrels (including three almost empty barrels) of what DEA labs have identified as pure liquid Lysergic acid diethylamide, a powerful hallucinogenic drug more commonly known as the street name LSD or Acid."
mircea_popescu: if he was from 4chan, they'd be all voting for m00t.
mircea_popescu: 18* adlai wonders whether the low price tag of responsible disclosure stems from the glass cannon nature << doesn't seem glass cannon-y at all, with any patience you could have hijacked some "notable" accounts made them do some funky shit.
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTpmg4 )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116750 << people come to trilema, seo their link. trilema gives them a gift in exchange.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: a lot of the snoooooore-fest article coming from likes of armstrong and company, sound like stuff people would rant at occupy wallstreet
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 20:47:52; thestringpuller: #occupybitcoin
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 20:47:52; thestringpuller: #occupybitcoin
asciilifeform: 'The cracker is built out of surplus Grass Valley HD video transform boards, scrapped by GV because of defects. A useful tool was developed to assist the board reverse-engineering effort.'
asciilifeform: 'NSA@home is a fast FPGA-based SHA-1 and MD5 bruteforce cracker. It is capable of searching the full 8-character keyspace (from a 64-character set) in about a day in the current configuration for 800 hashes concurrently, using about 240W of power. This performance is equivalent to over 1500 Athlon FX-60 CPUs, which would take about 250kW.'
asciilifeform: (summary: article elementarily demonstrates that a hash of the sha1 type could be designed with trapdoor. and then argues nonsensically that we 'know' there could have been none such.)
asciilifeform: Just before SHA-1, NSA designed SHA-0, for which weaknesses were quickly identified by the research community ... ... [claptrap snipped]'
asciilifeform: ... The original SHA-1 constants are “nothing-up-my-sleeve-numbers“, derived from the binary representation of the square roots of 2, 3, 5 and 10 ...
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 19:25:33; *: adlai wonders whether the low price tag of responsible disclosure stems from the glass cannon nature of indiscretionary usage
adlai wonders whether the low price tag of responsible disclosure stems from the glass cannon nature of indiscretionary usage
adlai actually wanted to continue the 'philosopher stone' thread!
asciilifeform: ^ to continue the 'no place to sell 0days' thread
thestringpuller: but then again if aliens come down and deliver us philosopher stone that t
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> actually most pro games end in surrender << Seems to be one of the few similarities with ches
asciilifeform: i got the memo when i was 5 y.o.
mircea_popescu: the important point being, that there must be no room, no place and no hope for intelligent men in the society of subhumans.
asciilifeform: no industrial giant remotely contemplated funding the other kind of chess (and there ~was~ work, as recently as early '80s)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romanian version of the russian word for "dealing with the capitalists"
mircea_popescu: imo - go-open-to-public was an unwelcome bastion of "impaciuitorism" in the way of the republic.
asciilifeform: which is why it was such an irresistible target for the mediocrity bulldozer.
asciilifeform: go was the last 'noble game'
asciilifeform: by the same token mircea_popescu can be glad that he never got seriously into, e.g., programming
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:38:44; assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:33:19; *: mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.
asciilifeform: to convincingly throw, would take at least the same skill as to win.
asciilifeform: somewhat relatedly, my understanding of the history of go, is that match fraud was historically a rarity
asciilifeform: only pointing out that the man obviously failed to depart from his 'firmware'
mircea_popescu: what else is "flashed in bios" ? don't whip the wife ? bow before government ?
asciilifeform: but the 'end by resign' thing is taught to the pros in childhood, flashed into their bios, so to speak
asciilifeform: also if lee sedol is not thinking about the 'maximize exposure' thing right now, he'd have to be a fool
mircea_popescu: the argument is there. not particularly strong. also note that the bar for bitbet arguments is crazy low. we've seen absurdities argued the likes of which would scare a highschool teacher.
mircea_popescu: well then.
asciilifeform: in fact, every go robot made to date, at least among the more successful ones, plays like this.
asciilifeform: we knew this is how the machine plays, much earlier
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