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asciilifeform: Duffer1: i suppose the usual idiots bought in? not much of a chumpatron w/out the chumps
asciilifeform: its sort of like the steam-powered automatic doors in ancient egyptian temples
asciilifeform: the chumpatron will keep going without skipping a beat
asciilifeform: a great many interesting things could be done (bring back the turing-complete 'script' engine, for one)
asciilifeform: if the chumps decamp en masse, btc might end up as a Hawala for a dozen people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure btc is ready to lose the chump money collector that is the 'dust' users?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps 'complimentary' means TOR
asciilifeform: you could spend a lifetime studying fun soviet recipes (trinary computer; or my personal favourite, the 'subterrine' - nuclear reactor melts a tunnel in front of you in real time...)
asciilifeform: is there something there other than the chumpatron (gullibility to dollars converter) obvious to a 1st year chemistry student?
asciilifeform: yeah the jumpers. can make it say 'FU', whatever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could simply have a thermostat cycle power, a la traditional resistance heaters.
asciilifeform: or is this simply too obvious for an interesting conversation...
asciilifeform: also if your shop relies on 'human compilers,' your soul is damned no matter what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bad example, most of the boring, everyday Germans survived the war.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite true, the uniforms and pomp are decorative. think of the 'Zetas' instead. more bang, fewer bucks.
asciilifeform: ah, but at present the best infrastructure is the one built for 'persuasion' of the subjects. and liquidation, if required. the king can always import new ones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modern figureheads have impeccable manners, but none have taken an agrarian shithole from plow to nuke in a few decades.
asciilifeform: if the pwners of TOR were ready to ditch the deniability of their operation, they could have fed the same exploit to every chump connected to every exit node.
asciilifeform: Kleeck_: that was the payload. nothing to do with the actual compromise
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nothing happened that would have required pwning the network. What we got was a perfectly-ordinary server compromise.
asciilifeform: see the now-famous 'TOR incident' as an obvious example. what does one need to have in place of a brain to rely on a winblows box for 'anonymous' naughties?
asciilifeform: if I were the author of the game, and struck with an inexplicable fit of compassion for noobs, I would pop up a dialog showing the user's BTC balance if the binary detects a running bitcoind on the box, saying "boo"
asciilifeform: ever see those temples in India with a sea of live rats in a giant pit?
asciilifeform: the only reason I find this tidbit interesting is that it is yet another example of chumps who think that 'encryption' will save them - without having anything resembling a secure endpoint.
asciilifeform: it does one particular thing: bring in the idiot chumps
asciilifeform: gotta love the compromised 'PGP' (in-browser crap)
asciilifeform: those who refuse to understand bitcoin are doomed to re-implement it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then both (all) of his bitcoind-with-serial-filed-off will be chumped
asciilifeform: when you use currency minted by an empire, you are buying into its philosophy (if one dare call it that) - like it or not.
asciilifeform: re: the stolen ASIC: here's an idea for improved design: consider an ASIC that needs a "breath of life" packet to run. it would live on a physical key, that must be present on power-up. (can be removed afterwards, assuming battery-backed power.)
asciilifeform: for short-range EMP, the Serbian method ought to work: ordinary kitchen microwaves with a stick jamming the door sensor.
asciilifeform: EMP is a more likely countermeasure. It is quite impossible to adequately shield a small flyer against EM.
asciilifeform: re: compact drones: we are unlikely to see small arms on man-portable flying machines, because Newton's 3rd Law. Plastique is another matter.
asciilifeform: the most accomplished troublemakers should hope for, at most, cut brake cables. or a tragic bathtub slip.
asciilifeform: anybody try this yet? I bet it simply eats the value of the private key.
asciilifeform: 1.5 mil is chump change. That's the cost of ~4-5 ordinary public buses.
asciilifeform: DWave - fake quantum computer, ho hum.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: I've been trying to reproduce the exact incompetence, for my simulated trader, with no success so far. tried every FP representation I could think of.
asciilifeform: by this logic, teeth are nothing compared to fresh, still-beating hearts.
asciilifeform: recall the fellow in MP's comments who implied that secure systems were used by banks to secure "trillion dollar transactions" ?
asciilifeform: banks, interestingly, don't terribly mind being hackable, because sovereigns can sort of reverse their fuckups for them. and at any rate, they pass the cost onto chumps.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, but the false implication is that someone, somewhere on Planet 3 can actually buy a computer. in actual fact, they can only buy a "combuder."
asciilifeform: "The "you don't own your computer" paradigm is not merely wrong. It is violently, disastrously wrong, and the consequences of this error are likely to be felt for generations to come, unless steps are taken to prevent it."
asciilifeform: what most people don't get is that your computer is your priest, doctor, and shrink all in one box: http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html
asciilifeform: but when you routinely unearth the plaintext onto potentially-compromised hardware, you are shitting in your kitchen
asciilifeform: my point, though, is that even if you dispense with the convenience of sessions and go the full-bore "hair shirt" with a paper one-time-pad or whatnot, a compromised machine is still a compromised machine.
asciilifeform: but the chumps love it (except when they don't, yes)
asciilifeform: someone should sit with the chump, and patiently explain that mtgox doesn't talk to your yubikey. it talks to your idiot consumer pc that happens to have a yubikey plugged in, and a display that can output whatever your new owner wants it to.
asciilifeform: it not only lets you sell the same machine many times, but passes the security buck to the chump: "oh, you got rooted? your fault, should have patched yourself"
asciilifeform: but in the pc world it is used as an attempt to paper over the fact that the os sucks
asciilifeform: so you can rent a "server" to chumps without actually using one up
asciilifeform: example of the latter: many (most?) xen installs let you set the virtual nic card into promiscuous mode if you root one running os
asciilifeform: to sign mpex messages?
asciilifeform: now you go to a site with routinely botched ssl, like mtgox (at least in the recent past), and then click "what the hell" when your browser complains
asciilifeform: I'll mention one example from places far away. In certain countries, doctored root certs are routinely placed into default ms-windows installs wherever possible.
asciilifeform: my other point is that btc ups the ante for working on hard targets as well as soft ones. you can do some very nice MITM with a compromised router, for instance.
asciilifeform: truecrypt in particular is trivially broken on a compromised machine.
asciilifeform: my only argument, really, is that btc as we know it is a soft target, and that life will become considerably more interesting once the truly competent people take an interest in playing.
asciilifeform: all he has is hope, that some of the chumps will own high-end ATI cards, etc
asciilifeform: I study trojans for money. Most BTC botnets, for example, are quite pitiful (a handful of GH/sec.)
asciilifeform: one more observation: yubi works by emulating usb keyboard. which makes for a very simple man in the middle, esp. if you press the button an extra time.
asciilifeform: also remember that chumps have a tendency to lie to themselves
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you evil tempter, you just made me want to transfer btc to mtgox just to buy their yubikey.
asciilifeform: occam's razor suggests that our chump lied about using 2fa
asciilifeform: not into or from the aether, but into a more clever man's pocket, from a chump's.
asciilifeform: the idea is that temporary disruptions can have permanent effect
asciilifeform: a whimper, not a bang.
asciilifeform: jurov: ask MP about his gold bus.
asciilifeform: and not the wimpy FDR confiscation. the Soviet one. where possession of bullion carried the same penalty as murder.
asciilifeform: jurov: re: gold: eventually the physical metals market will decouple from the idiot paper-metal chump harvester. That's when the confiscation gasenwagen revvs up.
asciilifeform: the permanently-unemployed say hello to the kolkhoz, and so on
asciilifeform: what I suspect is that at some point there will be a shift to a rather different, more Latin American social order, where the nobles are simply given bank cards with $ PosInfinity balance
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 1820: agrarian America, most people did not depend on a working economy as such for physical survival. no comparison.
asciilifeform: I have an FPGA board right here on my desk, with a completely verifiable TCP/IP stack
asciilifeform: the idea would be to have an implementation of BTC which could be understood in its physical entirety.
asciilifeform: 1tb is chump change if you attach mechanical storage.
asciilifeform: the product I envision would be a single-purpose device which runs the block chain and only the block chain. the FPGA code implementing the instruction set, firmware, etc. would form a complete description of the system.
asciilifeform: a system which includes consumer PC components or traditional software is insecure from birth.
asciilifeform: that is to say, a box that implements a full node, from scratch, with no unix/c/c++/code written by anyone in the past on it. with complete docs under NDA.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated thought: do you suppose there could be a market for a hardware implementation of Bitcoin?
asciilifeform: pgp: "fundamental" problem implies that it could not be dealt with other than by breaking the protocol, no?
asciilifeform: btw, the extent to which btc users can be fucked with through ntp spoofing is non-zero and quite interesting to contemplate.
asciilifeform: mpex can afford it
asciilifeform: btw, industrial robots are an instructive example, because in some fields they are available, but it is very difficult to get people to trust them for all but the simplest operations
asciilifeform: example: my colleague prints an iphone cradle, brings in five attempts. the phone fits in the fifth, but only because he threw in the towel and took a hand file to it
asciilifeform: even speaking solely of plastic objects where materials strength is unimportant, the main issue appears to be warping/distortion
asciilifeform: re: 3d printers: I work with a guy who is a serious solid printing enthusiast (five figure investment in various attempts, and most of his spare time.) he prints objects like phone charging cradles and parts for model aircraft.
asciilifeform: "...a paper, JVST A Volume 20, Issue 4, pp. 1365-1368 describing transistors made with anodized aluminum gate insulator and a chemical bath deposited semiconductor (CdS/CdSe). Both are techniques that do not require complicated equipment (beaker, current source, heater) and should have been accessible in the 1920s."
asciilifeform: my point wasn't that it is physically impossible to make small arms out of garbage (it is possible) but that a 3d printer gains you nothing compared to using parts straight from the junkyard.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look up the temperature of the inside of a barrel (of the smallest pistol) after one shot.
asciilifeform: for those who have never seen an AR, the "lower" is simply a small can which holds the trigger/hammer mechanism, with the stock screwing into one end and the bold carrier/barrel assembly (known as the "upper") into the other end.
asciilifeform: hardness is not the only issue. (temperature is another.)
asciilifeform: so you can buy the entire metal portion of a Glock, for example (barrel and striker mechanism) with no paperwork, as if it were a video card. because the SN is stamped on an aluminum plate embedded in the lower, plastic portion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the "BTC vampire billionaire" image
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I once wrote a FORTH to Brainfuck compiler. Betcha they dug it out from the sands of time and are using it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 94% of MPEx April revenue from reg fees?
asciilifeform: ezdiy: I think you misunderstand. I'm not trying to convince MP of anything in particular. Just playing out a thought experiment: what would happen if MPEx actually had competition.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there could be logical reasons for starting one's own "MPEx, with blackjack and hookers." Say I want to use evil altchains. And, AFAIK MPEx shares are non-voting, so it isn't that I could buy enough of them to make MP do this deed.
asciilifeform: what I'm rather hazy on is how well MPEx would hold up against a "good enough" clone that meets the basic criterion of "not being an outright scam" (AFAIK none of the MPEx competitors have met this standard)
asciilifeform: Ok, let's see if I understand: the 30 BTC is for keeping MPEx a market full of people who measure 1000 times "before cutting once." No trendoids, etc. Now let's say Warren Buffet (or somesuch) opens WBEx, charging 1 BTC.
asciilifeform: truffles: I meant the banal fact that MPEx works as it says on the box, and none of the vaguely similar services proved to do the same
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: How would you personally explain the apparent lack of competition to MPEx? Is it simply the fact that no one else has the "reputation capital" ?
asciilifeform: ezdiy: I'm not clamouring to buy an MPEx account for a penny, just objecting to the notion that the fee is somehow different from taxi medallions
asciilifeform: just like an MPEx account
asciilifeform: benkay: the bureaucrats (in practice) own NYC, and charge whatever the hell they want for taxi licenses. a bar can charge for entrance. nothing wrong with that. what I'm unclear on is why the MP fee is a different kind of animal.
asciilifeform: benkay: riffraff interested in automated trading are more or less written out of the script. MP runs his own house how he likes, I'm fine with that. But why not call things by their real names.
asciilifeform: MP has said, in essence, that he doesn't want MPEx to become a Shanghai crawling with the equivalent of rickshaws.
asciilifeform: IMHO taxi medallions are a fair comparison. They, just as the MPEx fee, exist to keep the riffraff out.
asciilifeform: jcpham: idea: rape the algo traders who read this by implementing a contrarian algo
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