asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-take-third-brother-into-custody-in-shooting-of-police-officer/2016/03/14/74b97f36-e9e6-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo where is the qntra on the police station mega-postal ? << WHAT?!?
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 19:04:24; funkenstein_: its a nice idea but already been through the problems i thought
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1434528 << you thought wrong. a bunch of nobodies declared idiocies about things in their head, generally on reddit/medium/wherever they gather.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 18:50:31; funkenstein_: i saw something about keccak, afaik maxcoin has the highest hash rate of all keccak coins at the moment
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: logic being, if it burns down and takes 30 f-whateverthefuck planes to the bottom of the sea, so much the better! buy moar!
asciilifeform: one look at the boats and it is pretty obvious that their purpose is ~not~ to fight in battles
mircea_popescu: i forgot what the chinese thing was called, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: and of fucking course the army of dead empire is the nest of corruption. wtf. jannissary corps v2.0
asciilifeform: it officially Unexists for the purpose of the comical 'war games' the pentagon conducts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure everybody knows about the surface torpedo etc
mircea_popescu: so does half the fucking world already. it's not 1990 anymoar.
mircea_popescu: oes. The entire aircraft carrier fleet is obsolete, and is another huge waste of money." <<< aaaaactually... romania has the capacity to sink us carriers. so does israel. so does brazil
mircea_popescu: " It spends it on a bunch of aircraft carrier groups. These are very useful for launching attacks on defenseless countries. But it is very important to keep these aircraft carriers outside of conflict zones that may involve China or Russia, or even Iran, because each of these countries has several cost-effective ways to destroy an aircraft carrier: ballistic missiles, supersonic cruise missiles and supersonic torped
asciilifeform: they have no working sleep mode, recall.
asciilifeform: that takes up the boot time
mircea_popescu: i still don't get this. all this derpage from the early days of systemd "it makes servers boot faster"
asciilifeform: no one (tm) would ever, say, remove the idiot sea of crud
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform inasmuch as he steal speaks of "its money", orlov doesn't actually get the turkey dollars thing. he earnestly thinks that there is ONE kind of usdollar, and PART of that one is "wasted". whereas the situation in the field is that there's two kinds, ands the bezzle part can only be bezzled with.
mircea_popescu: then let me run it first ?
asciilifeform: and then again, and again...
mircea_popescu: shouldn't this run at the beginning every time ?
mircea_popescu: why the cron job
asciilifeform: hence why i put it on the dissection table here.
jurov: it's supposed to avoid determining where the actual printf is located every time you run some program, which can be solved byt other and better means
asciilifeform: and creates a number of other interesting difficulties
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gives excuse to munge every single executable on the box
mircea_popescu: so what it this supposed to achieve for the putative enemy, make proper allocation impossible or what ?
asciilifeform: today it exists at all only in the most direly diseased pseudolinuxen
mircea_popescu: my meagre understanding of computing doesn't allow me to discern the intended meaning.
asciilifeform: where the items, having been linked dynamically, are pseudo-staticized periodically (!) by a cron job
jurov: and prelinking is writing directly to the binaries/ dynamic libs what virtual memory address are they going and which addresses can all the other depending libraries found at
asciilifeform: it is a poetteringization of the ordinary glibc execution process
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is no legit thing called prelinking
asciilifeform: ^ worth reading for the commentz
asciilifeform: the comments are mindblowing.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1183 << i had nfi this existed. a whole own poetteringism, hilarious, touches ~all binaries on affected pseudolinuxen, ruins aslr and number of other things, random (!) crashes, ardent defenders (ahaha), etc.
BingoBoingo: pls do that then
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UEI3BP )
funkenstein_: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116397
phf: trinque: i say, press to polarbeard_remove_shrink_debug_file, then patch -p1 < polarbeard_better_log_messages, then vpatch the result, then do same for polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc. that's sort of easiest, fastest way to regrind
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i mean, ~other~ than it being a hardphork
funkenstein_: its a nice idea but already been through the problems i thought
funkenstein_: i saw something about keccak, afaik maxcoin has the highest hash rate of all keccak coins at the moment
trinque: mod6: what's the proper way to get you changes for v.pl? would be nice when press blows up to be told what vpatch barfed. want to just add that yourself?
nubbins`: i was a bit :0 when i did the math
asciilifeform: i'm kinda surprised the whiners aren't here yet
mircea_popescu: mno. the numerous lee sedols of that pointless boardgame.
mircea_popescu: they is teh community.
asciilifeform: who's they
mircea_popescu: bad restating. they took out the dying part - very indicative of the cocksucker sort they are.
asciilifeform: there are many fables where a scorpion kills a man, but is this actually possible ?
mircea_popescu: trinque possibly the least offensive koan of the lot is the one with "why did i rescue the scorpion ? it is my nature!"
trinque: ask the dumb hill-climbing optimizer?
mircea_popescu: trinque shark swims to breathe tho.
mircea_popescu: (ever wondered, btw, why some men favour ugly, unattractive women ? the freudian explanation is exactly above - they seek to reunite with mother, in which case sexual appeal is a hindrance not an asset.)
trinque: why did the shark swim when it could stop?
mircea_popescu: why did the man get out of bed ? he could stay in bed, regress to childhood and whatever, paint posters to show mommy.
asciilifeform: and contemplating trbtronics, rather than praying to vishnu ?
mircea_popescu: ethics (ie, the mechanism to answer "what should i do") is a very severely limited science.
mircea_popescu: nothing "makes sense" in the sense you want it to.
mircea_popescu: there is no capacity of sense in phenomenology.
mircea_popescu: these are as far as i've seen the two mindbugs of the republic : a) A -> B therefore B-> A, ie backflow ; and b) the above.
asciilifeform: well, to re-connect the frags, i take issue with everett's device as problem solving tool, because if you admit it, none of the other things we do make any sense
mircea_popescu: but look at the jump : 1) unexplained item can be explained by a or b ; 2) it's a b-olympics!
asciilifeform: ah the not-caring olympics l0l
asciilifeform: i am reminded of dan mocsny's 'whichever one of us leaves usenet first is the Real Man' mega-flame
mircea_popescu: what is this. mayhap the explanation isn't that mp lives in a heat-death immune dirigible (upgraded from atomic) but simply... does not care ?
asciilifeform: prolly because 20 pack a day mathematics habit
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wonder why asciilifeform is so convinced that one may only see the truth of things that don't affect them personally.
asciilifeform: and there were a few splats also.
asciilifeform: there are rails here!
mircea_popescu: aokthen!
asciilifeform: who the fuck has not seen railroad ? blind gurl ?
mircea_popescu: so we go to cross some tracks and i say "careful not to touch the shiny parts!" and she carefully steps to not touch the shiny parts.
asciilifeform: i can see it already: harem gurl: 'i stepped on rusty nail!' mircea_popescu: 'here's an impregnation, perhaps after 20 generations your descendants will have shell armour on their feet'
asciilifeform: prolly goes with the job.
asciilifeform: largely since i never get the sense he is discussing a place where he ~lives~
asciilifeform: and the beast can't exactly grow a new brain if environment changes and it could take the chance of moving to a new rock.
mircea_popescu: (actually it's the jumping champion, some 1km jumps)
mircea_popescu: must not be the same animal, sea cucumber i think of is an echinoderm.
asciilifeform: 'The juvenile sea squirt wanders through the sea searching for a suitable rock or hunk of coral to cling to and make its home for life. For this task, it has a rudimentary nervous system. When it finds its spot and takes root, it doesn't need its brain anymore, so it eats it! It's rather like getting tenure.'
asciilifeform: take the famous sea cucumber.
mircea_popescu: the root of the problem would seem to be the self-serving but otherwise bluntly unwarranted assumption that "intelligence is useful in all circumstances".
asciilifeform: i commiserate that mircea_popescu thinks the 'idiot god' of hill-climbing optimizer is 'intelligence'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu lives on mt olympus with the other godz and naturally gives not a fuck
asciilifeform: so not entirely indifferent to whether surrounded by cockroach
asciilifeform: i merely happen to live there.
mircea_popescu: now why'd you strawman the "adaptive behaviour" ? what the fuck do you care what the outcome is.
asciilifeform: what if test is 'be not as large as a mouse, there is nothing to eat but for cockroach'
mircea_popescu: the adaptive behaviour is teh intelligence - the rest, will, if you will, or whatever.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 11:27:35; mircea_popescu: intelligence is an adaptive behaviour ; which is why anyone with a clue would rather spend the time chatting up a random whore or street urchin than some jewish princess or "young exec".
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 11:21:59; thestringpuller: you ever read mimsy and the borogoves? short sci-fi story by Lewis Padgett (a pseudonym for CL Moore and some other person that wrote as a duo)
mircea_popescu: the whole deal was something like "and lee sedol will now play the whole nation of china - elect a representative, or two, or whatever. the go competence of the entire han race is being judged"
mircea_popescu: machine is not a thing in the sense here contemplated.
asciilifeform: (from, iirc, 1200, after the machine loss)
asciilifeform: speaking of which, how about them 1900 cores.
mircea_popescu: actually that's a great name for the temple for this here cult,
mircea_popescu: you think like the man of a single woman.
asciilifeform: there is a dedrepperized (experimental, musltronic) gentoo but it is VERY spartan
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw the mask set i published here will build a depoetteringized (though not dedrepperized) gentoo, which will stay that way. but various more or less essential items, e.g., 'wireshark', will not build.
hanbot: phf / anyone who mac-erizes or might mess with gpgtools, tell me menu option & any steps involved in exporting pubkey if you have a moment? i'm trying to put a eulora wiki guide together and these derps have like zero documentation.
asciilifeform: i don't have another, functional os buried somewhere
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 11:03:11; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433648 << not afaik. if you don't count various people (including alf most recently) on various occasions throwing their hands up in disgust at the dysfunctional pos.
mircea_popescu: recall the threads about ntp, political time etc ?
asciilifeform: ^ how the FUCK is this any business of libc.
mircea_popescu: amateur hunter returns empty handed from swamp. "nothing but migs out there good god what's the world coming to!"
mircea_popescu: "on the basis of the leaks coming from the invisible aircraft we have learned that it is a duck."
asciilifeform: pretty much all i know about mpb comes from these !
mircea_popescu: or, in the words of the ballas master, " Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and..."
asciilifeform: but anyway, unlike the pow wars or whatever apocalyptic thunderclouds, the wallet ~could~ be fixed if anyone gave half a fuck
mircea_popescu: nanto or how do they call it.
asciilifeform: to recalculate the origin.
asciilifeform: was the idiot justification aha.
asciilifeform: let's pile up moar, moar!111 variably-valued items for the solver!1111
mircea_popescu: both the "shittier than historical" and "new addr for change" bits are satoshi's dubious kludges to protect "anonimity"
asciilifeform: as if the knapsack thing were not enough
asciilifeform: the create-new-addr-every-time thing also guarantees fragging and pestilential multitudes of 'young' unspent coin
asciilifeform: the tx selector thing
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how exactly is the notion ludicrous in itself ?
mircea_popescu: "Fix the motherfucking code before you have to be fired. To recap : a. If I want to make 1 Mb txs I make 1 Mb txs ; b. correct inputs are selected to feed the outputs as if a human or better was doing the selecting." << also march, as fate would have it.
mircea_popescu: trinque i recall me losing my top over this back in 2013ish or w/e the first time bitcoin-idiocy got in the way of bitbet, being told "oh wait, this is an actual problem - we don't resolve problems, we write code here at prb!"
mircea_popescu: trinque> I'm aiming to build the calls necessary to run deedbot's needs over shiva. << bless your heart.
mircea_popescu: my sister killed more than these by being a kid and accidentally stepping on their heads than i can recall.
trinque: yep, you have finite volume and items of varying volume and value, want to pack the knapsack by optimal value
asciilifeform: the notion of the machine undertaking to solve the knapsack problem is ludicrous in itself.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 15:14:21; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1434076 << l0l wut, the circa-2013 usb miner thing ??
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1434210 <<< the rasperree-pee-that-can-also-mine-sort-of
trinque: this seems heavy given the db structure used
trinque: hypothetically I would like to simply be able to inquire the balance of any address at any time
asciilifeform: you need the blockchain for this.
trinque: I can do the latter two outside too
davout: trinque: that -0.00020000 comes from the "accounts" mega-turd?
asciilifeform: imho the mega-reasonable thing to do, and the thing i would be doing right now if not sitting on a stake possibly, is to abstract out the wallet idiocy
trinque: too much manual lever-pulling at the moment
trinque: I'm aiming to build the calls necessary to run deedbot's needs over shiva.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1434076 << l0l wut, the circa-2013 usb miner thing ??
asciilifeform: incidentally every time i open my idiot mouth and talk to colleagues, another one of my 'every boy must have...' assumptions drops like a fucking fly.
asciilifeform: the chicken story is lulzy
mircea_popescu: i prefer to practice safe sex rather than safe assumptions.
mircea_popescu: hey, i dunno what posterity is like. maybe they're retarded.
mircea_popescu: wwwwwwellllll then.
asciilifeform: the old ww1 saw.
asciilifeform: (not even maxint - you could pay maxint, theoretically.)
asciilifeform: the king actually doing his thing is a best-effort affair aha.
asciilifeform: there is a (primitive) grid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well traditionally it is whatever the tax is, no ?
mircea_popescu: because it clearly IS part of the books, right ? trivially enumerable, as it is. just not easy to evaluate.
mircea_popescu: so tell me, as a curio : what is the correct accounting for "city having subway" in the books of a donut shop at the corner of 85th and 10th ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: megalopolis dies without either a) subway or b) the folks who work there, living there
mircea_popescu: "no subway, no travel - i don't own a 1/100000 of the 100`000 spare car meta-pool, nor do i have anything to do that'd justify it."
mircea_popescu: and silly me, to think that the guys in the subway are there by choice, and they could do something else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, the assumption that alternatives exist died in practice yet again ?
asciilifeform: interestingly, no effect visible to naked eye from the city subway here being closed - seems as if usg took the day off..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is coincidentally the pompous name of the place where the events discussed transpired.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1434153 << don't confuse with valhalla hall, with the valkyries. nirvana hall is just that 20 m^3 concrete cesspool from mircea_popescu's old article.
mircea_popescu: in the same vein, mihai margineanu playing atm, just went "whenever you ask a question you don't expect answered ; why are you surprised when you get an answer you didn't expect".
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit, "what's the meaning of coincidence ?" "dunno dood, HE HAD TO FUCKING COME FROM SOMEWHERE" hurr durr.
adlai: they were right about killing them! put them out of their fucking misery, can't you hear it in their "bushels of flax"
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure there exists but i'm sure i don't know anything more offensive than the precious derpage in the eastern tradition.
mircea_popescu: A student asked Master Yun-Men (A.D. 949) "Not even a thought has arisen; is there still a sin or not?" Master replied, "Mount Sumeru!"
mircea_popescu: but yes, that's the major problem of murder : a private act with major public effects. pretty major conundrum.
mircea_popescu: discretionary acts are that, discretionary. no explanation is available for the private sphere.
adlai wanders off in search of the buddha
mircea_popescu: you see the difference between to explain and to justify yes ?
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2015 01:52:22; mircea_popescu: the alternative is nothing. murder's not something to be explained.
mircea_popescu: adlai can't propose weird stances for mp to have taken in the past and then crap out on the documentation.
mircea_popescu: best find the link.
adlai: iirc somebody asked you whether you justify abortion or somesuch
adlai: although the * in that context was just a bunch of cells!
adlai: mircea_popescu: i wanna answer with a log link, but the search is failing so i'll quote instead: "mircea_popescu: *-cide is never justifiable"
trinque: when I had a cat it killed things all the time, for fun.
adlai: the child should have been spanked! you don't just go around letting your kids kill things, without a little flick on the butt
adlai: mircea_popescu: that is such a terrible story, the child should have been spanked for chiccicide
trinque: adlai: your deed will send as soon as this thing reimports its key into the wallet for the 30th time
nubbins`: oh FWIW i'm doing another run of posters https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1387250.0
jurov: i wish i had rather not pay attention
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433764 <<< the general case is true here too
mircea_popescu: (and to cap that story - yea the adults expressed outrage ["how could you do that!"] but no, he wasn't punished, because no there was no offense, and the father(s) wouldn't have it, or generally let the women run amok with their nonsense. so hurray for patriarchy or whatever, boo the psychopaths of this world!)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/dc33a2028212d40e6e9ec9b9f889e90f/tumblr_nczbyyHu0n1t2qfvbo1_1280.jpg
thestringpuller: shutting the studio down?
mircea_popescu: my earliest memory of him is, we were in some rural setting, dun recall whose grandparents, and we had chicks (kids get young hatchlings to play with in the time and place, it's a time-honored tradition like getting your toddler one of those dingly noise things to put above the crib or w/e)
asciilifeform: not ntirely unrelatedly, usg is doing an impromptu collapse drill under the guise of fire inspection, and closes the whole motherfuckng subway for 24h
asciilifeform: yahyah mircea_popescu has esp powerz and they aint for sale and follow him through the seven worlds etc etc
asciilifeform: no phriend-who-owes-him-a-block-of-flats either !
mircea_popescu: i did build and burn a number of fortunes, but in my younger years. nevertheless : you know, peter ALSO didn't HAVE TO take the imperial guard with.
asciilifeform: witnessed the effect on older folk, too.
asciilifeform: been there, done that.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu nailed it, 'get on the boat with the shirt on yer back' is a kind of death-lite-version
asciilifeform: they suicide at drop of a hat!
mircea_popescu: it protects an entire fucking population from the above being an absolute.
mircea_popescu: suddenly we understand the importance of national heroes like joe stack
mircea_popescu: yes, plenty of folk do. that don't work, live, were educated or born in the us.
asciilifeform: and yet others - study to do
asciilifeform: then we're really speaking of eating one's nagant
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu knows that i'd be on the next flight if i were properly 13337 and knew how to pay the rentz there.
mircea_popescu: so it is usable by anyone who doesn't work, live, was educated or born in the us.
mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that "destroying the keys" feels exactly like "moving to argentina" does to you.
asciilifeform: destroying the keys would be a start.
mircea_popescu: if btc people were the sort where it'd cost about 1.25 heads of usg agent per bitcoin stolen, this is one thing.
asciilifeform: and if he had a pin to pull, the nazis would have nothing.
mircea_popescu: neither loud nor costly to date.