diana_coman: hm; I think it shows non-agressiveness; whether submission, I don't quite see it.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right. As asciilifeform is still politically alligned with the Republic, I find the proposal agreeable in creating a second opportunity to demonstrate continuing submission.
diana_coman: so basically he wants to give 10BTC to asciilifeform out of the coin he otherwise was even rather ready to consider lost anyway.
ossabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-12-18 mike_c: BingoBoingo: I changed my mind, and my offer to hire you: I send you fee of 30 BTC (same amount the mpex account cost coincidentally). If you lose the case and I don't recover my dividend, you send 10 BTC to ascii (nothing to me). If you win and I do recover, then I send 10 BTC to ascii (and you keep the 30). in case of partial recovery, i dunno, we do something gentlemanly.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: And per the agreement if he recovers coin the total damage is 40 BTC as he sends 10 BTC to asciilifeform. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-12-18#1003953
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Well, certainly both options had dimensions in which they are cheaper than the other.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 10:04:00 BingoBoingo: Per the agreement mike_c has made a payment to me for my voice in the forum with no provision for any refund to himself. He chose this demonstration after being offered the cheaper alternative of instead sweating out his ammends in the Qntra newsmines
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-19#1955792 - how do you reason to get to the conclusion that the qntra contribution is cheaper alternative? The way I see it, the choice clearly spells that mike_c considers the 30 btc as the cheaper option compared to putting in the effort& time on qntra for the interval you requested.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-19#1955771 << Great letter indeed. Kinda why it got the treatment and not the hallucinatory shit except as presented by the letter.
BingoBoingo: After being brought up to speed on relevant matters the Republic has explored in his extended absence, mike_c countered my proposal with one that sees him out an extra 5 BTC over my initial proposed structure whether he recovers his coin or not.
BingoBoingo: The problem of the Republic and the Negrated is not "What does the Republic owe the negrated", the problem is... are those negrated for their absence capable of submission after returning. Is doing something other than submitting an option they hallucinate.
BingoBoingo: It didn't take many lines of conversation or a whole hour for mike_c to find that the after missing out on things over the years like the entire history of an ISP... An actual demonstration of the value of WoT position and the barriers presented by WoT gating was his best possible demonstration of submission.
BingoBoingo: In the general case I see a -1 or -2 negrating as a sort of "caution", but I find it hard to read a -10 as anything other than the recipient being marked as future salt-pork that happens to maybe be on the hoof at the time of rating.
BingoBoingo: Per the agreement mike_c has made a payment to me for my voice in the forum with no provision for any refund to himself. He chose this demonstration after being offered the cheaper alternative of instead sweating out his ammends in the Qntra newsmines
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 00:23:14 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The truth doesn't wear out. The screw however turns with time.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Despite the long absence mike_c has made a substantial act of submission to the Republican power structure as gated by the Web of Trust. Over time, the bar for demonstrations of submission made by absentees that should have known better... I can only see it rising. Hence the screw turns clarification on the strategy last night
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:26:33 mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955640 - the only possible way I can see is exactly as it seems to be set to go aka negrated may find someone to speak for them and based on the arguments presented a decision will be made; not sure what more can be directly said/specified upfront and in general.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:16:09 mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for a republic to exist in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: goes quite well after a lazy breakfast consisting of a sampler of halva we bought in this little shop in the edirne bazaar (which is pretty fucking cool btw), assorted dried fruits, ayran, tahin, chestnuts an' whatnot. i'm very roundly sated and just as thoroughly satisfied.
mp_en_viaje: no bible in the drawers tho.
mp_en_viaje: they even thoughtfully provide matches, in case you're out. old style, hotel branded boxes, like it were nyc 1969 all over again.
mp_en_viaje: in other minutuous mindblowia updates, im lying on my bed here IN THE HOTEL ROOM, pile of assorted cigarillos and respectable ashtray to the side, fucking SMOKING.
mp_en_viaje: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/review-of-polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpcvpatch/ << but anyways, cuteness, jfw discovering the horrors of satoshi bitcoin. most of the insanity you discover in the guy's patch is just carried over.
mp_en_viaje: i mean uh. the word's the same, ye olde beran, but the participle / past tense of it is "borne" in all cases when you're not talking of actual birth.
mp_en_viaje: jfw, " or at any rate that the costs of such a change be born by he who makes it" << be borne. diff word, to bear, entirely unrelated to birth.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 00:23:27 BingoBoingo: There is a tentative agreement.
mp_en_viaje: what's more, this has played out quite a few times to date, it either dies from inconsequence ("and so who the fuck are you and him anyways ?"), is resolved through some kinda mediation ("how about instead of fucking each other you do x and live ?") or else "you/him is a complete fuckwad, get the fuck lost, i can't even believe you can have this problem."
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to get back to the "recourse from negrating" thing -- you and him argue, i'm definitely getting stuck with making some choices. there's no out of this, and it doesn't matter what you load into "you, him, i".
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, anyone recall back in the bitbet pioneering shutdown days, when i proposed a process and ben_vulpes got all suspicious, "omfg, he aims to keep it!!!"
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955697 << which is a major pillar of why a foundation was even contemplated in the original "wtf to do" spec.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:41:04 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955630 << it depends perhaps on whether one intends there to be recourse from negrating
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955691 << there's always recourse, from everything. think about it, how could a recourseless world work ? would it be anything like the recoilless gun ? action without reaction where, "in outer space" ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:36:59 trinque: it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm a deeply self-critical man. obviously the airgapped wallet approach is exactly what I did with deedbot
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955686 << but obviously the forestated problem is there ; especially ~with anonymity~ baked in. which is a problem, which i've discussed on trilema because of this, but it's also very difficult to digest. it's one of those "against-the-grain" problems, like the problemi of the 20yo not getting excited.
mp_en_viaje: there's the distinct possibility they do build such better thing, and the corp that lived with the worse one reverts to it, because can't tell the difference.
mp_en_viaje: (meanwhile, of course, if you go for the willing, well... you know. like curing the deaf, "i think i can hear better now" "really ?" "yeah, if i get really excited about it, kinda feels like i'm hearing". "bitch... please.")
mp_en_viaje: now, admitting you're good at what you do as only god himself can ever be, here are your outcomes : if you go for girls that would make great sluts, and you make them great sluts, what if they ask "ok, so ?" when you're done ? ie, they ARE great sluts now, where they'd have been just wasted potential before, but they... do not see it ? they don't perceive anything relevant has changed at all ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:33:15 trinque: build them a process that does not suck atop your tool, and let the changes to said tool flow from their needs and yours.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955681 << here's the dilemma : when starting a slutteria, you can either approach girls who would make great sluts, or girls who want to be sluts. sure, sometimes you might find the willing talent, but this is besides the point, that's her merit. the point is your process, and you're tooled for either one or the other.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:32:19 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955611 << rather, I favor the approach of finding someone whose business processes suck, and who manages a good chunk of money
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955679 << well, on the upside, considering they're doing it they can also favour whatever the hell they're favouring it, and then we see how it goes. that's how medicine is built, out of carcasses ~that lived~.
mp_en_viaje: this is how people have heirs, "you'll get a good son just as soon as she's popped all the kids she had in her and no sooner."
mp_en_viaje: because this seems an even more drastic & destructurating criticism of engineering than my own.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:30:19 trinque: we can't build towards the purpose of e.g. running game/browser/etc, even if in the end a browser or game runs atop
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955677 << this may even be so. but trinque , have mercy : in obtaining any desired result, the manager has indeed to await patiently for ~all possible~ results be delivered ? there is NO possibility of choice available, you mean, in the sense of none ~at all~ ?
mp_en_viaje: but i must say, there's something in no way short of fabulous in taking a woman to a place completely incomprehensible, structured in manners irreducible to her own experience, and demaning a choice, and then applying the choice. "you want this ? a you do ? ok, now drink it!"
BingoBoingo: Looking forward to the fresh Trilema reads
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which i stuffed the sluts fulla boza yest. which they fucking love, above kvas even (found some utterly delish sweet kvas depicted on left)
BingoBoingo: Both visits were pleasant. Now that I'm not tied to a rack I'll certainly have to see Northern Latino lands.
mp_en_viaje: uruguay poppin' over there huh.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The shortlist came from channels with folks I've eaten pizza with this month.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955673 << well... in #asciilifeform to commiserate, i guess. otherwise there's also #trinque and iirc #spyked
BingoBoingo: Her buttpuppet Albert already dropped all of the low hanging fruit that strains Arg-Uru relations.
mp_en_viaje: eh, too late, the mexicans are already closer.
BingoBoingo: Lol, Kristina's the VP as of last week. Kinda wondering when Argentina will threaten invasion here.
mp_en_viaje: they both do this as it is, but it's "not relevant" because "bigger themes". except those "bigger themes" are 100% driven by historical accident and naught else entirely at all whatsoever.
mp_en_viaje: the argies'd be "tjhe biggest couintry in thr world" and "buying russia" while "impeaching kristina" while the northerns'd have been driving into canada for ciggarettes.
mp_en_viaje: possibly the most annoying part about argentina being argentina is that all the other-same zeks upnorth look at it and imagine they're different & speshul. while doing the EXACT fucking same thing, if coincidentaly the southern printing press had gotten bigger and the northern had stayed small when the chinese showed up to put white man's world on life support -- EVERYTHING woulkd have been the EXACT same.
mp_en_viaje: but whatever, right, "el campo hay que pagar tambien", the government's "taking care" of this world while they independence &c all over themselves.
mp_en_viaje: interesting how virtuous circles drive virtue an' the republic itself much like vicious circles drive sin an' the pantsuit itself!!!! /aesop
BingoBoingo: Have some local leads on sysadmin jobs which are in the getting to know you phase.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It's grinding, have not yet found half of 500 without turning towards the US. Will end up posting disk destruction pics tomorrow as 2 WoT'd folks viewed. 500 DC's I applied to blogging may not happen without applying to ones inside the zone.
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, how's the dc search ?
mp_en_viaje: heh, two years aniversary for you there huh.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Tonight was the "fin de año" gathering at the Cowork, just the same as when I arrived 12-7-2017. Crowd noticably smaller this year.
mp_en_viaje: kinda ~same lulz in lebanon these days. all the pinoy houseworkers / ugly-but-workable-2ndwife / smileyface-paperbag-whores are flocking at the pinoy embassy, "oh, they barely pay 1/4 what they used to, we're outta here"
mp_en_viaje: i dun expect the present generation's ever getting out again.
mp_en_viaje: how's uruguay by the way ?
BingoBoingo: There is a tentative agreement.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 21:57:33 BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955608 << mp_en_viaje Aite, I have a sound argument. Gets more expensive every time it is played. Seems to be the strongest in favor of mike_c if only he takes it. Waited roughly a day to give him the deets http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955594
mp_en_viaje: they worship, i whorship, just as long as it's not the workshop who the he'lls to worry sheep.
trinque: if anyone, I'd want a man unwilling to steal, so help him god, running the money tables
trinque: it would call all my ratings into question if I could simply snatch the coins of anyone I negrated
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:25:18 mp_en_viaje: and no "fuck it, just keep it" ain't much of an answer, because if nothing else this provides the most perverse incentive imaginable.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:20:11 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955571 << consider the matter of services. this question pops in all over the place, alf was all over trinque re "what happens with deedbot if i get negrated". i din't invent this question, it's been recurring, mod6 asked me at some point something similar
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955630 << it depends perhaps on whether one intends there to be recourse from negrating
trinque: and it blocks using V to wrangle the mess
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:04:35 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955376 - to make my reasons for inclusion by reference rather than importing trees explicit, even if bad: on my own I was certainly in no position to pay the maintenance debts of all those projects, so I wanted some separation between my own work and them. As I see it now, the trouble is this doesn't actually solve anything if you still have to use
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955617 << it solves only the pretense of being "not to blame" while still being very much to blame
trinque: but what I do isn't thereby gold
trinque: it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm a deeply self-critical man. obviously the airgapped wallet approach is exactly what I did with deedbot
trinque: airgap protects the coin so long as nothing interesting ever happens
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955615 << so then your inputs to the process are haxed, and you go diligently dispatch btc to 1HaxFuckYou
trinque: build them a process that does not suck atop your tool, and let the changes to said tool flow from their needs and yours.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:50:33 jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support, to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like these tend to be large corps already in submission to USG and can just as well buy RedHat
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955611 << rather, I favor the approach of finding someone whose business processes suck, and who manages a good chunk of money
trinque: I don't think there's much daylight between our perspectives on this
trinque: we can't build towards the purpose of e.g. running game/browser/etc, even if in the end a browser or game runs atop
trinque: What is banned is any decision from your graphics stack informing a decision on whether I have the shitwad of deps your graphics stack demands.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:44:31 jfw: "minimal possible bootable" seems a slippery goal, you could trim down to barely any OS at all. But then some pesky user comes along and wants graphics, and TCP, and to run on recent iron and then what.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: I do too for obvious reasons. Still more I hope he takes it for the less obvious effects.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 12:44:45 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Here's the strategy and why it is your best shot at recovering your coin http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7sEi
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955608 << mp_en_viaje Aite, I have a sound argument. Gets more expensive every time it is played. Seems to be the strongest in favor of mike_c if only he takes it. Waited roughly a day to give him the deets http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955594
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:26:33 mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:16:09 mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for a republic to exist in the first place.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:31:05 mp_en_viaje: if you'll ignore everything, then what's the point of talking ? if you'll ignore random things outside of even the possibility to prediction, then again what's the point of talking ? if there is some common ground, making at least some prediction possible, then what is it ?
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955643 << I see what you mean now; there will always be a need to suss out a commonality in proper use of various public shit (or else it ends with the same "what republic?")
jfw: Come to think of it, this stricter usage is compatible with what I'd read about what start-ups are, so not sure why I defaulted to the broader/confused notion for "involved with start-ups in any capacity", perhaps because lots call themselves things as you say.
mp_en_viaje: basically anything that's neither a family owned deli nor a blue chip usg subsidiary calls itself start-up these days huh
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other usgistani wins : http://archive.is/twwd2 ==> http://archive.is/vBQfq
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955615 << irl, most coin sits in appaling security contexts and yet "liberations" are indeed rare. it's a problem of roi, most theft is opportunity-driven rather than systematic (mirroring how most people's houses ~could~ be broken in, by your gf. but most people's houses nevertheless aren't broken into -- and especially not by your
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:58:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."
mp_en_viaje: in the east, the "mobster" has a buncha girlies in tow that are "coo at hair theory, inc". still, you sit down with them to talk business if fucked in the head only.
mp_en_viaje: they also serve as "hr lukewarmers", keeping fucktoys / assorted "talent" from starvation / routed and readily accessible.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:18:46 jfw: After their hack / loss and change of ownership, they downsized to 3-4 people, none of whom could really maintain the redeployed systems. So I ended up doing some part-time for them in 2016. This was short-lived: I found their priorities entirely out of whack, it looked like they were headed for nothing but more trouble, and they didn't listen to me on much of anything. The pretense pump I reckon.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955602 << fwiw these little shits were never start-ups in any sense. they're fluffers, padding the downlist of mainline scams (like the b-side of records of yore, exactly, or like the "package" part of package movie deals in the hollywood studio system days)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:06:37 jfw: No fancy office there, many worked from home. 'Excel shop' like all of 'em of course.
mp_en_viaje: if you'll ignore everything, then what's the point of talking ? if you'll ignore random things outside of even the possibility to prediction, then again what's the point of talking ? if there is some common ground, making at least some prediction possible, then what is it ?
mp_en_viaje: "he fucked my 3yo daughter with a barbed metal pole, here are the bloody remains", for instance. you'll ignore ~everything~, "he's always been paying rent on time so i really don't care about the corspes" ?
mp_en_viaje: consider the other aspect of the matter. what, if anything, can color your notion of someone, besides your own experience ?
mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.
mp_en_viaje: and no "fuck it, just keep it" ain't much of an answer, because if nothing else this provides the most perverse incentive imaginable.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 20:04:01 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back to this point. The meaning of any rating is something that each individual must weigh for themselves, isn't it? Could there be a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up the nuance, however)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955579 << yes, individual. but if the individual offers ~a service~, then what is the meaning of the individual's negrating ~for the use of the service~.
mp_en_viaje: there's at the very least some basis for this, such as a "is user entirely harmless or potentially harmful". user eminently harmful on pizarro, couldn't afford luxury to ignore negrates for instance.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 15:51:48 mp_en_viaje: now, more's the point, what the fuck are you planning to do such that you think you should be negrated for it, and why the fuck would you.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:56:46 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my main trouble is not at all with the payment, in principle, but mainly with the notion of a single, clear meaning for "negrated", to start with.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955571 << consider the matter of services. this question pops in all over the place, alf was all over trinque re "what happens with deedbot if i get negrated". i din't invent this question, it's been recurring, mod6 asked me at some point something similar
mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for a republic to exist in the first place.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:33:09 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955528 - thing is, even "the negrated" is not an entirely clear thing for me; I could see it as "loss of citizenship hence of rights" at one extreme; it is however just that - one extreme.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955566 << what exactly it means surely could benefit from some clarification. one strong strand in there is the (so far well formalized in history) "i am not interested in what you have to say"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:19:10 diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955560 << why not ? there's some claims made, some answers to them, proposed terms of settlement justified or not, a settlement reached or not...
jfw: them
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955376 - to make my reasons for inclusion by reference rather than importing trees explicit, even if bad: on my own I was certainly in no position to pay the maintenance debts of all those projects, so I wanted some separation between my own work and them. As I see it now, the trouble is this doesn't actually solve anything if you still have to use
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:05:58 trinque: suppose someone's going to kill you for losing their 1000btc with this thing. What then about "not keeping up with the rat race"?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << i don't think this view is sound, because it essentially destroys the possibility of a republic. the term literally denotes "things held in common". whether these are women, sacks of grain, ships, itineraries or ideas can be mixed and matched ; but that SOMETHING will be held in common, and thus not "between the people themselves" is the quintessential prerequisite of a republic, and in genera
mp_en_viaje: in other news, tukey internet is kinda iffy. if i blink nobody panic.
jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support, to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like these tend to be large corps already in submission to USG and can just as well buy RedHat
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 11:31:00 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c This is a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover the coin... The argument that will have won your coin will present a risk to my WoT position if it is later found to be bad precedent.
jfw: "minimal possible bootable" seems a slippery goal, you could trim down to barely any OS at all. But then some pesky user comes along and wants graphics, and TCP, and to run on recent iron and then what.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:05:02 trinque: "While I have striven to make prudent and security-conscious choices, I am not attempting to keep up with the "penetrate and patch" rat-race in its many third-party components." << This is somewhat concerning, in that you say "eh" about the "many third-party components". I'd instead try for the minimal possible bootable src surface area.
jfw: trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955361 - I don't disagree on either point really, but not sure what anyone can realistically say about the current software mess beyond 'eh'. Minimizing or moreover replacing socialistware with sane things is the long term approach, but meanwhile one still needs things to work. I'm curious to see what you're cooking for sure.
jfw: After their hack / loss and change of ownership, they downsized to 3-4 people, none of whom could really maintain the redeployed systems. So I ended up doing some part-time for them in 2016. This was short-lived: I found their priorities entirely out of whack, it looked like they were headed for nothing but more trouble, and they didn't listen to me on much of anything. The pretense pump I reckon.
jfw: That'd be my template for a more conservative startup I suppose. When I moved to Panama (late 2013) and met dorion, he had recently started an entry-level position at Coinapult, which was running on Wall St. financing. I met some of them, at one point inquired about a job but was declined.
jfw: No fancy office there, many worked from home. 'Excel shop' like all of 'em of course.
jfw: my first and longest 'real' job was with an IT consulting shop, started in 2000 amid the dotcom rubble by some IBM mainframe & Linux people; they self-bootstrapped starting from existing relationships and had reached maybe 15 people when I started in 2007. I did mainly internal sysadmin work.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:10 mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955315 - besides the present self-funded efforts with dorion, yes, kinda:
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Here's the strategy and why it is your best shot at recovering your coin http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7sEi
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-19 18:54:36 deedbot: dorion rated dorion_road 1 << my key for the road, 201911-202001
deedbot: diana_coman rated billymg 2 << mp-wp trimming and testing; on the move to CR; writes at http://billymg.com/
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of alex__c from 1 to -2 << chose to do nothing with all the time in the world.
deedbot: jfw rated jfw_travel 2 << Me, on the road.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back to this point. The meaning of any rating is something that each individual must weigh for themselves, isn't it? Could there be a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up the nuance, however)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:55 mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955529 - there is certainly this ie being scammed, yes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955528 - ie, I find I simply can't answer this in the form stated.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my main trouble is not at all with the payment, in principle, but mainly with the notion of a single, clear meaning for "negrated", to start with.
BingoBoingo: I don't even see loss of citizenship and therefore rights as an extreme meaning of a negrating, especially at -10. That's more of a -1, -2
diana_coman: I suppose not even the extreme actually, no, hm.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955528 - thing is, even "the negrated" is not an entirely clear thing for me; I could see it as "loss of citizenship hence of rights" at one extreme; it is however just that - one extreme.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: In mike_c's case, I am very confident I can make the case that gets his coin back. The argument is grounded in Republican doctrine as I understand it, proceeds from cause, does not import Pantsuitisms, and is incredibly removed from the late ROTA's derpitude.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:17 mp_en_viaje: however i'm also getting prety sick of all this self-uppity cuntery whereby douche "gets upset" at mpex/republic/the world. as if there even CAN BE such a thing as "upset at the totality of existence".
BingoBoingo: I can't explain the proposal or the strategy in plaintext unless it is accepted by the one requiring an advocate in the forum.
diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I can see at least from one angle how&why you'd structure the proposal precisely as you did; at any rate though, it's your proposal and your consideration of the issue so if the exact reasoning behind it is to be explained, it will be explained by you, surely.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Ah, I thought maybe you were taking the infuriating nature of the things encountered during the research as informative of the price/shape of my proposal.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I get the impression there's some parallel talking here, lol; I wasn't linking my "infuriating" with your proposal, lolz.
diana_coman: having refreshed my memory with the concrete dates and multiple missed questions/enquiries has been tending towards very infuriating indeed.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It's a nuanced thing. There is very good reason the proposal I put in channel is structured *exactly* the way it is.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 11:33:27 BingoBoingo: to mull a bit, but has been mulling the potential for situations like this since the http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ negrating waves
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-16 05:40:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954632 <-- I'm certainly looking at that, wanna sample some items for both daily use and testing. the apu1 seems like a good candidate
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-16#1955488 << nice. I've not used the apu1 myself.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-16 05:36:02 spyked: !Qlater tell dorion_road in UEFI study/review news, I'm behind with all my tasks on the subject. I'm slowly getting back on track this week, aiming to have a report published by monday the 23rd
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-16#1955485 << ok, thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to your report monday.
BingoBoingo: There are good arguments for paying sleepers who slept their way into negratings, but... I am anti-inclined to give them away for free.
BingoBoingo very curious about the prices other members of the Lordship list will offer... If any have the appetite at all for taking on the substantial downside risk of winning...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Since the discussion appears ready to happen sooner rather than later I give you the option of sending 35BTC to 15eVXAW7k8uKc5moDFUSc9Y3jmHFAenNXo as a retainer. As it is 2019 I'll assume 35 BTC arriving at the address is yours and not someone else's misfire.
BingoBoingo to mull a bit, but has been mulling the potential for situations like this since the http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ negrating waves
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c I am willing to argue your case. Without your providing more details the cost structure is as follows: 35 BTC up front, 10 BTC to be refunded if my argument on your behalf loses. The best way for you to start negotiating this price downward is starting a conversation about the case in #agriculturalsupremacy
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c This is a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover the coin... The argument that will have won your coin will present a risk to my WoT position if it is later found to be bad precedent.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
lobbes has acknowledged the need for mulling; will also mull
mp_en_viaje: i'll be exploring nis today ; and will be in sofia sometime tomorrow so we can have a proceeding on all these interesting topics no earlier than then.
mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what (priorly seen) nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
ossabot: Logged on 2018-06-27 12:30:52 mircea_popescu: as far as anyone knows, usg is still churning the same bitcoin dust it got by clicking on faucets back in 2012. first it "sold it" via the usms scam, now it "captured" it and so following.
mp_en_viaje: (in other lulz, apparently http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-oct-2014/ is broken somehow. was gonna link in it, but obviously now will hafta wait.)
mp_en_viaje: then he picks up the coin mpex, and the republic, made him, and kept safe for him, and dumps it on the dumbest scam du jour he can find. that'll show everyone! and boy-howdy does it show...
mp_en_viaje: whereas the 10`000 the republic made him in the same fucking interval out of a piddly 1 he accidentallied in there is... you know, not enough. too much trouble. and also blablabla yadda yadda & "people themselves".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:51:56 snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:06:04 lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
mp_en_viaje: until that time comes, it's the optionality show on days of his lives channel, no problemo. like for instance he could... what could he do ? he could never miss a day of tv, or jury duty, or sucking dick at the airport, or whatever the fuck else (by which "else" i do mean ~same~) they do in the zone.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 03:28:41 mircea_popescu: the matter SIMPLY CAN NOT BE IGNORED : if back in 2017, ie the very month that article came out, joe bloe took out the 20-50k in debt he could and liquidated the 20-50k in assets that he could, converting it to bitcoin at a monthly average $1k, he'd be looking now at either 400k to 1mn in cold hard cash, or else something like 1-1.5mn worth of liquidated assets, if he sold during the peak. (and not AT the peak,
mp_en_viaje: years later, when it turns out they really weren't, as it happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME, with ornery regularity... then it's suddenly weasel time. we were good friends all along, right ? he just took a nap while we carried, what's the problem.
mp_en_viaje: don't you know, all that is ain't good enough for him, he has all these many other imaginary options that aren't, and in not being "are" all so much better, important, whatever. truly, the republic's like bounty bar wrappers, who even cares, hallucinaria's where it's at.
mp_en_viaje: however i'm also getting prety sick of all this self-uppity cuntery whereby douche "gets upset" at mpex/republic/the world. as if there even CAN BE such a thing as "upset at the totality of existence".
mp_en_viaje: now back on the record here : i have absolutely no intention of reinstating his mpex account. that ain't happening ; but that aside i also have no problem paying, in principle. god knows i've been paying loads of these, and what's a hundred btc or whatever, who even cares about pennies like that (right ?).
mp_en_viaje: i suggest you find a lord willing to speak for you, because i'm not interested in hearing what else you have to say. pick a limber one, too, you sure can use the help (and whoever you are -- make sure you get paid well, and in advance. pantsuits love their zone so much, let them have what they like, it's the least you could do for them).
mp_en_viaje: you shouldn't even be able to speak here ; coincidentally nobody could be arsed to plug the particular hole, it wasn't deemed that high a priorty, but that doesn't mean you have thereby acquired some kinda license to abuse.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-14 12:11:05 mircea_popescu: !!rate mike_c -10 http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/sunt-un-orb << The Tar Pit -- Sunt un orb, a piece by Horaiu Mlele
mp_en_viaje: uuu, the laksa's here.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-16#1955487 << tis the season to be jolly, tanananana nana na na.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-15 23:17:48 mike_c: I've been following the snsa wind down recently. Makes sense at this point, and I'm sorry it didn't work out!
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-15#1955478 << kinda disappointing i suppose, from the pov of "well, we invested, were patient for years, y bupkiss!"
mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell mike_c on the road right now, i'ma look at it tonght/tomorrow morning depending on traffics
mp_en_viaje: !Q later tell mike_c on the road right now, i'ma look at it tonght/tomorrow morning depending on traffics
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-15 17:44:10 mp_en_viaje: pretty fucking lulzy. the only ~actual~ measure that could conceivably work, ie the olde "we select the top 100 hottest athenian maidens every year and send them over as tribute" not yet occuring to them, huh.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-15#1955471 << The export tax seems to be a supreme admission of poverty. If they don't do it all of the garbage they produce will leave. ANd they they will have none
mp_en_viaje: o look who the cat dragged in!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:44 BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 <-- certainly looks like a spin on greenspun's rule: any system that amasses enough complexity (for some values of "enough", at least) becomes a contender for the "operating system" label. imho emacs, wp, cltrons all fit in there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 11:54:20 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-07#1954458 << I'd tend to agree with the suspicion. First I think it'd be helpful to know the cost of acquiring TMSR bootbable hardware. Defining was TMSR bootbale hardware means and listing the 'known good' board that are already supported by coreboot or similar would be a good start.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954632 <-- I'm certainly looking at that, wanna sample some items for both daily use and testing. the apu1 seems like a good candidate
spyked: !Qlater tell dorion_road in UEFI study/review news, I'm behind with all my tasks on the subject. I'm slowly getting back on track this week, aiming to have a report published by monday the 23rd
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 00:11:17 mp_en_viaje: yo spyked, how's the vomit business thsee days ?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954731 <-- I've been all good for the last week, but I got caught up in meat works (finding new apartment and starting to move, mostly) just when I was about to catch a breath. unfortunately breathing's gonna have to wait until the end of the month.
mike_c: Thought I'd ask if anything changed with the proxies or other mechanisms in the last couple of weeks that might have gummed things up.
mike_c: I pulled a MPEX statement in november, but post-dividend I have not been able to (getting the 'Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.')
mike_c: As an ex-shareholder, I was not surprised but still impressed at the orderly liquidation.
mike_c: having been there a couple of times myself, I empathize.
mike_c: I've been following the snsa wind down recently. Makes sense at this point, and I'm sorry it didn't work out!
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, holy shit "red 2" is a crappy movie. what the fuck were these people even smoking, you wanna talk of deplorables, this set of singer-songwriter vhs-america hanger ons is the stiffest contender. who the fuck is dean parisot even, wtf.
mp_en_viaje: this is kinda why i say, the numbers are bullshit, what billions, 1 mn is factually exaggerate : IF they actually had some exports of any consequence, taxing them would be too stupid to try. the only way to do this sort of dumb shit is if the base is 0 anyway ; then you can tax it, triple it, whatever -- it all comes out same (=0) in the end
mp_en_viaje: i suppose the argentine team shows up at the boxing olympics, lines up and starts punching out its own face, too ?
mp_en_viaje: who the fuck taxes ~exports~ anyway ?! this might be the dumbest thing i ever heard, everyone's ~subsidizing~ exports, the euros give a >20% tax break with their whole vat scam, the chinos prolly more though it's byzantine, these idiots actually TAX it ?
mp_en_viaje: pretty fucking lulzy. the only ~actual~ measure that could conceivably work, ie the olde "we select the top 100 hottest athenian maidens every year and send them over as tribute" not yet occuring to them, huh.
BingoBoingo: They are also pushing their retarded export tax up because "el campo tiene que pagar también.
BingoBoingo: In other news, the Argentines went from proposing the tourist dollar to finalizing their rate for it. 30% over official. I suspect the blue is going to have to beat 30% over official
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 15:04:52 trinque: back to the subj, what does a europac bank need, in your experience?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955410 << it's surfing, exactly. without an actual navy ready to bombard, 1800s gunboat diplomacy style, a bank's as meaningless as "a jet engine", or "a liver". they don't do anything by themselves.
mp_en_viaje: ple routinely fall in love with smart girls to the tune of 1 in 10mn because of their ass, that's ok-ish, but ok-ish to the tune of 1 in 500.
mp_en_viaje: and so on in this vein, yes us is confronting a "crisis of confidence" in the sense of complede decredibilization -- but it's purely political, not monetary ; and its underlying is mindblowing military weakness, not industrial inefficiency. not that the latter's absent, but phenomena are driven by what they happen to be driven, not by the larger or most visible element. peo