asciilifeform: it rsa is broken, the dead will 'walk.'
asciilifeform: incidentally the 'same master' algo is catastrophically dangerous because it does not allow you to retire a broken ciphersystem COMPLETELY
mircea_popescu: shit, even the word update is ignominous now.
asciilifeform: nothing about same-masters in there.
asciilifeform: and the instructions were, and i recall, 'if this one is used, old one is to be considered dead'
mircea_popescu: so i did. none of this maps on the "update" process in any way extant.
mircea_popescu: and there's plenty wrong with new key signed with old. sign both with the same master.
asciilifeform: hey i was not counting on the idiot sks update process
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (but it is dumb in any other context) << orly. because why, because "everyone" is held to UPDATE crypto material at hitler's beak an' call, through a poorly specified process ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai> If only there was a BitBet to bet on who will win BB in auction. << bwahaha
trinque: I assume they plan to beat Apple on the head with "your phones aren't as s3kur3 as you claim" until... something
asciilifeform: 'Prince suggests that the incidents of CAPTCHA-challenge could be reduced if Tor adopted a plugin that could send ‘a cryptographically secure but anonymous token to services like CloudFlare in order to verify that the request is not coming from an automated system’. Draft code for the plugin has been provided by CloudFlare on GitHub.' << l0l!!
trinque: yep, was the key
asciilifeform: (this thing where folks expect keys to never change, is lulzy, yes i get it, mircea_popescu gotta prevent mpex account resale, but it is dumb in any other context)
asciilifeform: so update the key.
trinque: it's bitching about expired key on the server side
asciilifeform mutters malignantly about the idiocy of clearsigning and 'plain text'
shinohai: If only there was a BitBet to bet on who will win BB in auction.
mircea_popescu: davout the thing you published misses a crucial element. there's a (or two) lists of addresses bitbet was to use, signed by me. got them ?
mircea_popescu: hey trinque what's the eta on voicing deedbot- ?
mircea_popescu: certainly a cheap answer to "who are you again". spend whatever to buy it, put in the time to keep it going, problem solved.
asciilifeform: anyway i can't imagine mine is the winning bid, the thing is a valuable mechanism, surely worth a fat bag of coinz
mircea_popescu: how exactly "the reputation"
asciilifeform: afaik nothing but the reputation
mircea_popescu: so what's the big deal. have fun running it.
asciilifeform: he's the only same fella left in old #b-a i think
phf: i left because conversation is dead and there's no attempt to revive it. it seems like the only shared thing between those left is hatred for mp, which is not particularly good community builder. last thing i saw was nubbins repeating the same point he made about 4 times now about MPEX trade volume
asciilifeform: get the skeletons, bogwater, dirt out - engine will purr.
asciilifeform: like old t-34 pulled from the swamps.
phf: perhaps kako is convinced that there's no possible future for bitbet post-receivership?
asciilifeform: aha, 'red' is how the bureaucrats get to/from their stakes, from/to the posh suburban mcmansions.
mircea_popescu: drinking by the bottle, going to pervy clubs, all the while pretending library is criteria! YOUR HIPOCRISY IS NAO EXPOSED!
mircea_popescu: possibly best collection of obscure pathogens in the world. whenever i go my eyes water.
asciilifeform: was shuttered by the time ben_vulpes and i thought of it
asciilifeform: subte i assume is their subway ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot i think chetty took them for a death spin or something.
asciilifeform: if ever i end up there again i can even try without gas mask.
mircea_popescu: true. ever tried the subte also ?
asciilifeform: eh setting foot in the virus pit was a good start imho.
asciilifeform: unlike m. gandhi, i dun do the self-mortification thing
asciilifeform: they were swimming-pool 'naked'
hanbot: ah yeah, but they were local-nekkid
asciilifeform: there were !
mircea_popescu: hanbot do you rtecall which te fuck this was btw ? i thought it was the subasta de esclavas thing, buncha naked girlies on sale
asciilifeform: there we go.
mircea_popescu: now we finally understand all those anal insertion and genital mutilation comments IN THEIR RIGHTFUL CONTEXT.
asciilifeform: aha! actually the failed reddit thing, more so. some months ago i was fingered in some derp comment, ' mircea_popescu's demented lieutenant, in charge of argentinian bsdm....' or the like, i almost fell to the ground from my stake
mircea_popescu: well, ok, but look at the benefits. you can now scare people with your personal history!
mircea_popescu: personally i was rooting on davout taking the weirdo german chick home. or at least pistols at dawn with ben_vulpes ; something. but alas...
phf: mircea_popescu: you saw asciilifeform in the nude? now i too am confused by this thread
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l, it was hilarious, no one fucked in the club
asciilifeform: how did i even end up in this thread, this is the perfect example of mircea_popescu's 'gynaeceum material, dun work in forum' thing.
mircea_popescu: phf fwiw, i did personally see him in the nude and fuck whoever club, he didn't melt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'pissed in the back alley of cairo' example
phf: asciilifeform: sure, i don't take issue with your preferences, it's your trying to frame it in value terms that we share. oh club sluts are stupid, real smart girls only hang out at libraries where alf feels it safe to approach them
asciilifeform: trinque: because the robot suit is not 'nice' in my hindbrain.
mircea_popescu: this is like despising cooking. it's a fucking seat in the academy, for rights!
mircea_popescu: i don't credit the "missing out" angle, he can't possibly be missing what he's not missing.
phf: asciilifeform: i think we're saying that you're making familiar assumptions, that are not true, and that you're missing out from that, or at the very least are saying falsehoods.
asciilifeform: can haz the gassing for phree?? it was late! (like domino's pizza !)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so your resistence is chiefly based on, "nsa is incompetent, never got an actual intellect behind the effort to fuck up my miserable rng source"
mircea_popescu: the "slut scent".
mircea_popescu: phf actually there's a very funny thing re that, girls never smell of earnest sweat. every place has a consensus-chosen chem barrier for that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was attempted, i had the elementary nervous system to resist
hanbot: heh asciilifeform or they're lonely af because men who'd be into 'em make all kinds of assumptions.
asciilifeform: there is no particularly good reason for anyone to give a shit.
mircea_popescu: he has an entire list of these that he keeps restating no matter what.
asciilifeform: hanbot: the ones who do both, if even exist, are prolly all living in mircea_popescu's house already.
phf: i guess the point is that asciilifeform doesn't like club sluts, wants his girls as math phds only. but periodically, and that was the issue, he sneaks in the idea that there's something deficient about girls that go to clubs, i.e. they are not clever or smart, they are animals, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm allergic, what of it. just can't do the zoophilia thing, never could.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> proper gurl hangs out in maths library, among the theorems. << why can't she do both?
mircea_popescu: so then wut ?
asciilifeform: i'm allergic to the mass culture thing.
trinque: http://i.imgur.com/Fpm5ox2.jpg << I like girls that get shown Oglaf and give me one of these 2wks later.
asciilifeform: 11:36 <+phf> fwiw there's plenty of clever girls in dc club scene << ~definitionally~ not what i consider usable.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, prolly setting itself up to be shot.
asciilifeform: 11:31 <+mircea_popescu> phf i dunno fucking comprehend the disdain affected (perhaps to the point of believing themselves) by intellectual folk re the pro sluts. << nonono i just loathe the hump of the bell curve, sluts, no sluts, whatever
mircea_popescu: i don't mean "than their weight in hens" even. headcount ffs. not even footcount.
mircea_popescu: parillada libre!!1 mate en el parque!!11 they're cheaper to keep than hens.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole argentinian life. that's what derpy chick does : dreams about being stewardess, watches netflix and plays slots.
mircea_popescu: what horse races ? what anything ? all they want is the shitty slot machine, because there they can sit in their own stinky juices.
mircea_popescu: and the start and end of it all is, these atrocious fucktards, who think "sadly there's too many bars" and the whole surface of club in buenos aires would fit in one sane club in a sane place,
trinque went on a tirade to new lady friend yesterday about the complete lack of ownership in USistan.
mircea_popescu: the whole charade is, government borrows, spends and taxes, creates cardboard "businessmen" that exist principally to have what to hang whenever needed and vorwarts!
mircea_popescu: so now "his" media, which obviously was cristina-friendly, pissed off macri, who won. and so they're going to have a falling out and the thing is going to be "privatized" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: the reason is, that there was some dispute between city and federal government as to who should be paid. and this derp went whatevers, and never paid anything.
mircea_popescu: the thing owes in taxes, if its own word is to be believed, about half a BILLION dollars for the past decade.
mircea_popescu: the local smartasses took over, and created "the largest agglomeration of slot machines in the world" in this circus tent on the grounds of the old hippodrome
mircea_popescu: so, one cristobal lopez is one of the country's greatest "owners". originally, there was a gambling boat made by some spanish company, taking advantage of the unclear jurisdiction situation and the inept and slow workings of the ar courts. they invested 10mn and took home 100mn the first year.
phf: i thought owners are always mercurial about their answers that sort of questions. i'm yet to see one who goes "yeah, i own companies"
mircea_popescu: trinque quite unheard of here. whole fucking place is a socialist wet dream, nobody owns anything. did i recount the lulz of the local gambling baron ?
mircea_popescu: it's not "what you do, whether you make any money or not, ie work", but "how do you get the money, whether you do anything or not, ie, social-proof".
mircea_popescu: local lulz here. tall blondy aspiring to be a stewardess wants to know where i work. "i don't work" "then what do you do ?" "whatever i feel like." she's thoroughly confused, enlists help. "how do i pay for things ??" "with money." "yes!!!". eventually girl that knows me rescues them, "oh, he's in finance". NOW they're satisfied! "omg you liar!11"
phf: it's just not the "easy" clever
phf: fwiw there's plenty of clever girls in dc club scene, they are predominantly american,gwu,georgetown or else educated transplants, not to mention lots of foreigners
phf: but i'm saying i grok what ascii is talking about, because there's strong sorority culture in dc
phf: i have nothing but warm feelings towards clubsluts, they made my mid 20s quite pleasant, before i left dc
mircea_popescu: "oh these shoes hurt!11"
mircea_popescu: "the culture of clubsluts and sorority girls" beats any other female culture so far out of the field it can't even be discussed, wtf. you can take one of those and make her a fat borderline sleeve in six weeks. try the fucking other way around
mircea_popescu: srsly now. how can you not respect them!
mircea_popescu: phf i dunno fucking comprehend the disdain affected (perhaps to the point of believing themselves) by intellectual folk re the pro sluts.
trinque: he said something about the women having robot faces
asciilifeform: brb, the crypt0graph3rz are here
asciilifeform: (in the flesh)
asciilifeform: i've never actually seen the folks BingoBoingo links to
mircea_popescu: can she do the she-dolphin trick ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder... just as muscular as chimp otherwise ?
trinque: the texan babes behave just fine. you're in hell.
asciilifeform: go, adapt to chimps in the zoo.
shinohai: I saw Vexual in the logs lmao
asciilifeform: by and large i find the local fauna repulsive.
mircea_popescu: odds are he won't find the popular girls sexy or even interesting, and so on.
mircea_popescu: do that to a child, he'll have to... wait for it... adapt to the new environment!!11
mircea_popescu: hey, there's good arguments against moving to other place. your parents took you there neh ?
mircea_popescu: no dude. every place, the government it wants and earns.
mircea_popescu: what, you think the usg is a pos because aliens ?
mircea_popescu: the CAGE is FROM IT!
asciilifeform: not from any decision on part of the dulapped
gribble: No Girls Allowed!: Crumb and the Comix Counterculture | PopMatters: <http://www.popmatters.com/feature/no-girls-allowed-crumb-and-the-comix-counterculture/>; An Eye for the Ladies - NYTimes.com: <http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/30/magazine/30STYLE.html?pagewanted=all>; Robert Crumb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Crumb>
asciilifeform: it is from the cage
mircea_popescu: what, you've not noticed the neoteny trend ?
asciilifeform: share the lsd?
mircea_popescu: phf anyway, take your time. mebbe alf watches it too and he can catch up with teh rest of the class!
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> just like Obama can't be that powerful if he can't publicly have a harem << the excuse here would be that "he could if he wanted to - doesn't want to".
mircea_popescu: phf "the singular act towards which all exposition leads and from which all conclusion follows". that's the classical climax. yes, modern and adultcontempo storytelling does not strictly follow classicism, just like they abandoned the unity of time and place. but the thing still is what it always was.
mircea_popescu: holy shit is the internet braindead btw. fucking websites.
mircea_popescu: what's next, "the exciting bit" like changingminds.org ?
asciilifeform: at any rate one probably ought to regard 'gavin gets xxx for gavining' with the same salt as 'red army soldier gets x grams of chocolate in surrender camp'
phf: mircea_popescu: the peak of plot?
mircea_popescu: phf what is the definition of climax ?
phf: well, it's the end of any action on the part of characters, they are sort of agitated from their state by external factors, they act to the limit of their meagre abilities, and that's that. everything else is them settling back into their passivity as a result of that initial agitation
asciilifeform: Mar 31 09:31:56 <mircea_popescu>he has his idiosyncratic criteria, which fit the events. and change with teh events. << this is unfounded. all i ever said on subj is 'gavin is exempt from arbeit macht frei, doesn't commute, doesn't punch clock'. turns out - true. (unless mircea_popescu has intel suggesting otherwise ?)
mircea_popescu: ok, plox to identify the climax.
mircea_popescu: now tell me this. you familiar with the five stages of a narrative ?
phf: i can also see why it would have a 7/10 rating, because it won't be seen as a satire, the characters are also the audience, words like "poignant" "reconnecting" "estranged" will be used, but of course there all kinds of things to nit pick for connoisseurs of independent movies which are better than hollywood, but are easy to apply npr-speak while completely missing the point, and the meta circularity makes my head heart. hence-- painful
mircea_popescu: of course... different is better to the weary.
mircea_popescu: these schmucks are no better, just different.
phf: mircea_popescu: it's very spot on, it's like everything that happens is a neurotic mannerism, "of course that's what she would say, of course that's what he would do", all the props fit too. painful, because i'm not in argentina and these people are way too familiar
mircea_popescu: i guess in a sense that's what they're doing yeah
shinohai: Aren't there kabbalists that look for such hashes in Scripture?
mircea_popescu: he has his idiosyncratic criteria, which fit the events. and change with teh events.
shinohai: whether in home office or standard one.
shinohai: +asciilifeform ^ answers the old riddle, 'does gavin have to rot in an office' <<< a cage is a cage still, isn't it?
asciilifeform: ^ answers the old riddle, 'does gavin have to rot in an office'
asciilifeform: No. They are free (and welcome to!) work from MIT at any time, but they mostly work remotely.'
asciilifeform: 'Do the developers physically work at MIT?
mircea_popescu: hurr. they hired diablo ?
mircea_popescu: one of the best things to do after breaking up a strike/protest/other "democratic" bs is to isolater hte participants, beat the shit out of them and inquire wtf they thought they were doing there.
mircea_popescu: "i was merely following along with the crowd"
mircea_popescu: (which is exactly what the derp said, too)
asciilifeform: hey, monkey's arse can fit this dog's neck! let's sew them !
mircea_popescu: why would the journashits use a diff process ?
asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-strange-origins-of-truecrypt-isiss-favored-encryption-tool << more truecrypt <<<<< see the other logz. some derp did a 'newsweeksatoshi' re truecrypt (shat forth a 'thrilling!111' bio of some schmuck, and - without anything like evidence - tagged him with the authorship based on 'glove fits')
PeterL: danielpbarron do you read things like the gospel of thomas, or do you just stick with what is in the traditional bible?
PeterL: shinohai hipster don't shit in the road
PeterL: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i still can't fathom why bicycle is permitted but not horse. << horses leave piles of stinky shit lying everywhere, nobody wants their roads covered in shit
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-strange-origins-of-truecrypt-isiss-favored-encryption-tool << more truecrypt
phf: the savages is painful
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's little doubt, if nothing else for gm reasons, that the original #bible-a was rather anti-establishment ; and then got reshaped into something more tolerant once the wot involved ended up in power irl.
mircea_popescu: you're gonna be the best read smartest dude out here ? fancy that!
phf: well, i think in this case it's an attempt to throw sand, like "other early scholarly texts i read that you idiots didn't have wholly different words in there"
mircea_popescu: (generally "original greek" refers to the septuagint, ie, the result of an effort that actually predates and likely likely caused christ, to translate the hebrew texts into greek. it was a committee affair sponsored by the ptolemaic autarchy in power in egypt.)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron even something like the vulgate (ie, jerome's ancient but otherwise very good latin version) would be useful
phf: that would be the oldest known copy of romans ~in general~
phf: so i checked p46, and 13:1 is missing, but 13:2 follows the translation that you give
mircea_popescu: but hey, snatch intro scene made derpage on this theme fashionable among the crowd that'd later constitute the fight club electorate.
mircea_popescu: probably explains why the drones never seem to have any sex.
phf: his argument perhaps support what you're saying, because it's reduced to "i wrote this thing, and if you say this is therapy, then you are a waste of space"
mircea_popescu: phf and he also defined the notion yes ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron these fucking derps with "the golden rule" already. /me turns the page.
phf: mircea_popescu: i can't argue the substance, but in weizenbaum's case he was saying therapy requires empathy, where's therapists were talking up eliza
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the self-important ignorant derps are amusing au naturel, but for the historian of ideas even more so!)
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "real" therapy ; which is why unsurprisingly the charlatans are now predicating it on "empathy".
mircea_popescu: phf eliza is clinically proved === therapist.
BingoBoingo: in other lols fuck the pretty flowers http://www.wbir.com/news/local/column-the-curse-of-the-bradford-pear/110189644
phf: 12 step bot, you could buy PAIP and learn to write one yourself, a cleaned up eliza version for common lisp is somewhere there in the later chapters
BingoBoingo: So basically emacs therapist, but with occasionally cheesy quotes and a 12 step orientation
phf: if you are looking for the latter, than i ching, tarot layouts, markov chains trained on philosophical and religious texts
BingoBoingo: Well, technically I'm looking for a sponsor more than a therapist
phf: well, weizenbaum's point is that "real therapy" relies on empathy, rather than random feedback loop, which is more like divination/insight techniques i might add
BingoBoingo: phf: I haven't read it, but I don't see anything wrong with the idea
phf: BingoBoingo: did you read weizenbaum's "computer power and human reason", where his opening chapter is basically "people using eliza for actual therapy? my god, why!"
phf: psychotherapy over irc, .5btc/hour
BingoBoingo needs to find a new therapist. Emacs just hasn't been cutting it since I sobered up. Anyone know a better chatbot for this. Preferably one I can run in emacs?
phf: they could eat it, or maybe shoes out of it or something
asciilifeform: 'sooo many poooor! why should they be allowed to....' L0l!
phf: it's like the whole thing agitates so many cockroaches in head, goes into complete overload
asciilifeform: gotta love the audience derps
phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA via jwz, an old interview with klf after they burned million pounds, for the amusement of #t-a
mircea_popescu: "oh my fucking god, fucking horrible. they started drinking with the dawn, spent all day gangraping me, then all night long these tedious endless meetings to draw the attention of the collective to immodest, unsoviet behaviours and identify & castigate the guilty"
mircea_popescu: finally they also ask teh russian how it went
mircea_popescu: teh frenchwoman : "ah, it was fabulous, the first day i was the wife of pierre and jean-luc was my secret lover and autre-pierre was my autre-secret lover and then next day stephen was my husband but he didn't know i was secretly married to lucien and also..."
mircea_popescu: teh english rose : "oh, had a lovely time, went for long walks on the beach..." "but what about the men ?" "oh, i did see some gentlemen, but we weren't introduced."
mircea_popescu: there's this sociological experiment underway, consisting of secluding a woman and a dozen men of different countries.
asciilifeform: re how it is possibly ~the~ mega-nonrenewable resource
asciilifeform: we had, long ago, a mega-thread about the 'tolerance to poverty' thing
mircea_popescu: well the ukrs also got teh sluts, what's your point.
mircea_popescu: russia exists out of the tolerance to poverty of its women and the rich subsoil. not much call for the latter in the much slower economy of the future. so rather than buying bonds...
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the horse and hay, mark twain has a funny bit about his caballine purchase in drought-struck nevada.
mircea_popescu: i used to do the same thing, but meanwhile moved in a country where everyone pisses in the govt's face. (seriously, teh unions are actually putting up ads going "ganancia no es ingreso", ie, they don't have fucking income tax here)
pete_dushenski: it's the poor farmer in me.
pete_dushenski: so i largely avoid expenses that i can't bill to a company in one manner or another.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: plugging his hole with the pastes?
pete_dushenski: cuz i'm not sure i can even keep up with the amount this bam-bam eats.
ben_vulpes: "this land is shit land, that land is shitland, from the trash of new york, to the smog of l.a......"
mircea_popescu: by and large, if you can't shoot it yourself, the land is shitland.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: costs 0! grows by self! << there was an amusing bit in 'what i learned losing a million dollars' about how feller bought 'investment horse' and spent boatloads on medical bills before thing... croaked.
mircea_popescu: iirc he took out the tm part.
ben_vulpes: y'all never stripped out the 2 weeks?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sorry, musta skimmed that bit of the old logs. but who's to say that bettors take any haircut at all ?
mircea_popescu: so basically windows is turning into yet-another-systemd ?
mats: >Microsoft is adding the Linux command line to Windows 10: Bash coming to Windows is huge news for developers, developers, developers
mircea_popescu: well unsurprising, the common substance of female whining is directly obvious to anyone who bitchslaps enough banshees.
ben_vulpes: depreciation, maintenance, spine damage, vulnerability to other humans and their wrecking-ball-vehicles
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... the only thing they ACTUALLY hate is powerful people, as long as it results in a reduction of individual power they like anything
mircea_popescu: schmucky socialists, you know, always with their bs. "oh cars are bad because oil - bikes better" "horses even better!" "oh that's not fair because uses beast, bike uses your own ass". o i see how it is, the only thing they ACTUALLY hate is powerful people, as long as it results in a reduction of individual power they like anything it may be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've often wondered if the final de-horsing of major cities happened at the magic moment when tetraethyl lead made the roadside flora deadly enough.
asciilifeform: in the kitchen window ?
mircea_popescu: they eat hay.
ben_vulpes: wake me when the us starts making roads out of something other than oil byproducts again