asciilifeform: but was summoned back in as the shop was in dire straits
mircea_popescu: should have made demands before the thing went south.
mircea_popescu: a sole attempt in a drowning boat does not constitute a valid basis for the response you presented.
asciilifeform: the latter.
mircea_popescu: was this a concern ongoing or winding down at the time ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did precisely once, with my last employer. there was much gnashing of teeth, and ill feeling from the other slaves (there were only a handful of us, and no one was actually replaceable)
mircea_popescu: "i tried this in the past, was always told 'go, quit.'"
asciilifeform: then i've never seen 'non-shit' job and don't expect ever to.
mircea_popescu: (lemma : the definition of shit job is one where employer says "go, quit.")
mircea_popescu: what is the moral you derive from this experience alf ?
asciilifeform: trinque: i tried this in the past, was always told 'go, quit.'
trinque: asciilifeform: when I moved to portland I told my employer I would either telecommute or quit.
mircea_popescu: but it is pretty cool living with the natives you know ? girl can pillowtalk tell you about her bf, and how hard he's working for his promotion.
asciilifeform: well, on ~their~ salary
mircea_popescu: other than that, two-girl furnished apt in town ran 3-400 monthly.
mircea_popescu: PeterL one place in ro, suburb of supposedly nice town, ran me $2200 per quarter, house on two levels (bout 4k sqft total iirc) + a spot of land, fully furnished. and i mean, natural leather couches and walnut furniture and whatnot.
asciilifeform: trinque: in fact, it costs 2x moar to live there LIKE A HUMAN (e.g., MOTHERFUCKING HOUSE WITH OWN 4 WALLS) than here and they only offered 1.5x moar.
trinque: aw, beating on the left coast folk is a great passtime
asciilifeform: but i don't have any reason to prefer them to this africa.
asciilifeform: trinque: i was offered work in other africas (e.g., san francisco)
PeterL: in the middle of nice town
PeterL: <asciilifeform> 11:50 <+mircea_popescu> so what's rent like in the cheap suburbs next to umd ? << i pay ~2k (if you count electric, gas, etc) for <1k sq ft. << my new house is ~1k for 2k sq ft (plus 1k basement, could be used as workshop)
asciilifeform: i have nfi what they do with useless people in american prison
asciilifeform: then perhaps eaten as long pig ?
mircea_popescu: you have immense leverage - you're the only one that can make sense of the entire sea of symbols they don't grok.
mircea_popescu: the same thing that gets most women knocked up that ever carry to term.
mircea_popescu: generally it's the very simple "well... here i am".
asciilifeform: no but the correct brand of anticiv.
mircea_popescu: also, gangs aren't exactly intellectual strongholds. by and large they survive by not caring, not by fine-tuning their civ playing strat.
asciilifeform: i tried to get work there, and failed.
mircea_popescu: i saw the cunts, still same shade of pink.
mircea_popescu: o wait - turns out alf is actually closer to lafond's dear friends than to the white house ?
mircea_popescu: isn't that the bad place ?
mircea_popescu: first off, that's the #1 a city wants t osponsor.
mircea_popescu: nope. but this is just an argument towards "us is fucking nuts". why the fuck should it cost a lot ?
asciilifeform: <+mircea_popescu> rentals are exactly that : correctly priced, multi-room hotels. << only for a theorist like mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ideally, they go in the form of renting time from a workshop wtf is this my garage is my workshop artisan thing.
asciilifeform: where should these go? on rental stools in furnished apt ?!
asciilifeform: i have a motherfucking workshop.
mircea_popescu: how about never mind teh purposes, stick to the causes!
mircea_popescu: phf such a bizarre place you know, they rent last years' car for 2 bux a day, everyone hauls countertops
mircea_popescu: ah right, you're stuck with the mite traps.
mircea_popescu: that's ridoinculous. 1k buys you the swhit in a coupla months.
asciilifeform: the FUCK i need some derp's furniture for.
asciilifeform: 11:50 <+mircea_popescu> so what's rent like in the cheap suburbs next to umd ? << i pay ~2k (if you count electric, gas, etc) for <1k sq ft.
mircea_popescu: phf actually internet in midwest way better than on the coasts. usually run by township.
asciilifeform: <+phf> i know nhi couple ... but there's literally nothing within 20 minute drive << my parents live in a place like this.
phf: proper way to deal with iowa is buy a house, get your 800$/mo satellite internet (not even checking what's available, why bother), and do your aerospace/banking/medical it consulting work remote
mircea_popescu: so what's rent like in the cheap suburbs next to umd ?
asciilifeform: 11:41 <+mircea_popescu> $750 gets you a house in iowa. << aha and iowa shaves a zero off the salary.
asciilifeform: i could not in a million years afford to live in the dc city walls.
asciilifeform: phf: i live in the 'cheap' suburbs next to umd.
phf: having grown up with a dacha, i grok country house/city apartments, but that's not even under consideration for most people here, unless they are boomers, who bought ocean property in the 60s for peanuts
phf: but there's literally nothing within 20 minute drive, fields, some new suburbia, that's it
phf: i know nhi couple who own a house in gaithersburg, which is about 40 minute nhi commute (note nhi itself is 30 minutes outside dc center), it's a magnificent place and they put all the toys from their world travels there, englishmen style.
mircea_popescu: you can't possibly convince me that rents can ever exceed ~half the average per capita income
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: i guess you have a solid point there - ba is an oldstyle city, eateries on every corner, etc. good reason for rent to be more than what it can be in industrially produced "suburub".
mircea_popescu: moreover, you can readily add wi/mn/whatever to the ro/pl/etc list.
phf: right, there are no other redeeming qualities or reasons for why rent in dc should be this high
mircea_popescu: phf and for the same reason as here : us lives off govt dole, so the lice crowd the capitla.
phf: asciilifeform: this is not a particularly interesting exercise, because rent in DC is significantly above what you could be paying anywhere else in the country (except usual suspects, nyc and sf)
mircea_popescu: yeah. you know what they do all day ? bitch importantly about how the bus fare went up a quarter peso.
mircea_popescu: ba is larger than ny. yet another place the us doesn't actually matter all that much.
mircea_popescu: (actually i do have a pretty good idea - they all live off the govt which is here so much like lice they crowd around)
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's pretty ridiculous, ro/pl/etc rents are about half that, and that's in the eu.
mircea_popescu: i didn't tell you to live there.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, dollar liberalized so it's not going up ; prices soared because they're poor and pretentious.
mircea_popescu: to this very day, it's not there.
mircea_popescu: anywya, it was lulzy, guy wanted 12k pesos ; i offered 750 usd which he took - at the time ~6 mo ago it came to about 11k pesos on the black market and it looked like it will imminently will cross 12 13 15 etc.
mircea_popescu: ah, what you don't know is that there's but different zoos.
asciilifeform: not even here in the zoo, does this make sense
mircea_popescu: no but this is how they think, srsly.
mircea_popescu: in other morning lulz : argentinian owner of a rental wants to get together to discuss changing rental contract because "inflation has gone up".
asciilifeform: nfi, just pointing out that not everything the schmuck did was a work of evil
asciilifeform: Apr 01 10:22:12 <mircea_popescu>god damned it. so half hour's research has produced not the article i was looking for, and the knowledge that decimation actually introduced lafond to the chan. << decimation introduced the thread about atomic clocks also. so cesium clock is a sc4m?!
mircea_popescu: god damned it. so half hour's research has produced not the article i was looking for, and the knowledge that decimation actually introduced lafond to the chan.
phf: going to harm city tonight, after lafond articles fully expect packs of roaming black urban youths terrorizing solitary whites all over the place
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey do you recall the lafond article where he describes some woman taking a cab to escape urban race war and some dudes trying to flag it down to rape her ?
PeterL: pete_dushenski have you ever read the book "the total money makeover" by Dave Ramsey? I recommend the book, makes mostly similar points to your post
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he has a point re the interest rates.
ben_vulpes: (and where is the "lease don't buy your car!1" tip?)
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: this interest rate claim: are you implying that house prices go up when interest rates go down, ergo the house won't appreciate if you buy when rates are low and so don't?
mike_c: <+phf> this is totally own dogfood, so bon appetite, but since the log is missing entirely, this will at least get people through until there's something more permanent
mike_c: lol. well I'll be sure to finish reading it before I reload the page :)
phf: in other words i'll be surprised if it's still running when i wake up tomorrow
mike_c: what's the default?
phf: there's also back=numberofdays which loads backlog of numberofdays days
phf: the nick thingy does highlight by your nick, which is handy if you're trying to find mentions or conversations that you had
phf: this is totally own dogfood, so bon appetite, but since the log is missing entirely, this will at least get people through until there's something more permanent
phf: mike_c: can also do this http://glyf.org/h/t-a?nick=mike_c&inline (warning for the paranoid people, inline enables inline images)
phf: mike_c: i actually have an old version of log working, http://glyf.org/h/t-a if you want to read the backlog
phf: i should have it working over the weekend
mircea_popescu: " At the October Meeting, Board members voted to award a gift membership to Gavin Andresen for his exceptional service working with our Bulletin Editor, Rebecca Fricke, on the Leagues recently redesigned website, www.lwvamherst.org ." << i guess he gets 20 bucks in gift certs or somesuch.
BingoBoingo: Around here even the tiniest towns do 1-3 kilodollars per anum
mircea_popescu: nah. they never do.
BingoBoingo: I haven't checked this. mircea_popescu do you know off hand if the Amherst city council position he holds has a stipend?
asciilifeform: to whom is the schmuck in debt, i wonder
mircea_popescu: well i guess a fantasy agency can substitute then!
mircea_popescu: i bet you've not as much as looked at the schmuck's cv or anything ? just sat on ass and journalised ?
asciilifeform: holy fuq, what kinda bloke changes his name for the wife's ?!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, fuck the guy's wife ?
asciilifeform: i would, in fact, like some handle on the factz
mircea_popescu: looky, there's nothing wrong with your hollywood inclination. it's, from what i hear, inescapable in first generation americans. nevertheless, it is not factual.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu tells me that the mit proclamation is a lie - i will believe him
mircea_popescu: according to the data available, cow has best life. mkay!
BingoBoingo: Then what does RMS do in his closet?
asciilifeform: i'm not aware of any positions there which even include 100% tele.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's what the MIT/General Motors working set does. They've bought in on the mythos.
mircea_popescu: hence the peacock value ya
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al: from where did you get the notion that he leased a car, or knew what it is like to be denied even parking space, etc. ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.quality-construct.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/IMG_0079-1024x768.jpg << sweet ride in question, almost identical item, for the curious.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gavin gets to lease a car, because he's got that Union job at the mill. PAID LUNCH!
asciilifeform: at any rate, unless the mit link is enemy propaganda and wholly fictitious, gavin doesn't even ~need~ a car
mircea_popescu: well cuz they make minwage+1 / 2 and own two button down shirts.
asciilifeform: even the quasi-legal mexican janitors at every place i ever worked, got to park.
asciilifeform: having never met these folk in any capacity.
mircea_popescu: they do exist.
asciilifeform: i only can disagree with this one bit, i know of no wage slave who does not get parking spot, the auto is holy in these lands.
mircea_popescu: how easy this guy has it you know, he declares everything under him = 0, then never has to be confronted with a "hey, change places".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these people aren't worth covered parking.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Two very different kinds of wagery there
asciilifeform: the thing about cars as peacock objects, is esp. mysterious; e.g., none of the folks i work with have ever even ~seen~ my car
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the egyptian orcs ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: more so! i clock motherfucking hour
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not in the same way as Gavin.
asciilifeform: the gavin thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly as described : had it delivered up the block around corner.
mircea_popescu: not QUITE actually steam powered ; not far off either.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> or have it delivered up the street << i have a friend who many years ago showed up in antique steamroller.
mircea_popescu: the notion that anyone'd buy ireland bonds... srsly ? shit country ever since 1016 ad.
BingoBoingo: show up with sprayer. park safely over some other dude's car
ben_vulpes: or have it delivered up the street
ben_vulpes: farm equipment is entirely allowed on the highway here, mostly because...we have farms.
asciilifeform: i dun think you can drive those on the highway
ben_vulpes: the same kind of people who lease cars!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what kind of lunatic cares what commute people think of their machine ?
ben_vulpes: but not for "showing up for events" but for "showing up for the commute"
asciilifeform: (by showing up at social gatherings with a 'fatter' car)
ben_vulpes: "hi i would like to pay interest on the loan for this car and also the one that you'll replace it with."
pete_dushenski: in other news, californians can now lease a 2015 electric ford focus for $81/mo. don't all rush to the stealerships at once now. single file, plz.
pete_dushenski: sluts, the original esperanto
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyways, if monaco's not your jam, there's always baku, sochi, montreal, singapore, or if you're looking for sluts, sao paolo
gernika: I will probably return it to them, since I also brought back a replacement eerom-8u that worx, as opposed to the first one they sent me.
pete_dushenski: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/the-empire-that-papa-built/article1035816/ <<
pete_dushenski: mega-jews from iran who moved to edmonton in the 80s. paid off city council. made waves.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather pay to go to mall of america.
pete_dushenski: cologne, hat, and watch. or a trip to monaco for the gp.
trinque: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/father-begs-apple-ceo-to-help-unlock-his-dead-13-year-old-sons-iphone/ << bawwww!
pete_dushenski: so yes, 9btc ferrari would need to be missing doors, engine, and be firmly in the 30-35 year-old range in the darkest depths of its depreciation curve
hanbot: asciilifeform some parsers are better'n others
asciilifeform: sprechen, motherfuckerz, ze inglisch.
asciilifeform: then again i also think uncle al wrote reasonably.
asciilifeform: am i the only one to whom trilema was never a 'language speculum' ? mircea_popescu writes entirely reasonably.
hanbot: trilema is a language speculum. yesterday i got stuck on "Does the mint flower to welcome the butterflies where you live ?"
pete_dushenski: "Altogether an excellet film." << gotcha this time
mircea_popescu: i may not be a cunning linguist, but i'll sure as hell rape the shit out of the language.
mircea_popescu: he sez there's more btc owed to bettors than what he received ; ima be reviewing teh lists.
asciilifeform: i was trying to make sense of 'As of the today, the minimum value of the assets in my possession is ~755 BTC, while the maximum total amount for the liabilities, should all claims be certified, is ~981 BTC.'
asciilifeform: davout: where are the missing 200 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plenty! they used md5.
mircea_popescu: ya, sure. find me the man who wasn't using sha1 in 2011.
mircea_popescu: bout 1000x better than anything fiat ever managed, in ~3500 years of trying, ever since the babylonian signet rolls.
mircea_popescu: davout very nice. see, now there's a very strong chain of claims, right ?
mircea_popescu: also why is not selling for the ~1k btc it was trading for, last month
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu makes an interesting point, the item for sale is not bbet, but its possibly-necromanceable corpse
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure. but on this imperfect notion rests the possibility of having a town, or anything really that you can't carry up your arse while drawing a bowstring
mircea_popescu: this does not prevent a young woman and her husband from moving in THE SAME HOUSE and living a happy life.
mircea_popescu: consider a house. if a woman i loved died there, i might not have any further use for the item, not even as fire kindle.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no relation between the "love" bitbet you're discussing and the thing you're bidding on.
mircea_popescu: the notion that you'll keep the gates of the town really really tight so as to keep out any plague of locusts and any visitation by pillars of salt is naive at best.
asciilifeform: hence the bid
asciilifeform: i don't see the 'turned entirely to shit' angle
mircea_popescu: FIRST bitbet turned to shit ; THEN it was liquidated.
mircea_popescu: you're missing the flow of entropy here.
asciilifeform: even in the old days, a traitor who sold the coordinates to fleet, or the opening of a city gate, etc. understood that it was not 'mere item'
asciilifeform: 'how much for the private key'
mircea_popescu: there IS some relation between used condoms and love.
asciilifeform: crypto smudges the border between 'mere item' and love, loyalty
asciilifeform: i might be lacking the ropes on which this explanation hangs
mircea_popescu: the alternative to sanity is that you'll find yourself being blackmailed with your own shit. which is what usualloy happens to stupid women, that can't discern between love and the used condoms.
asciilifeform: how about the 'how much must satan pay to buy your love' thread ?
mircea_popescu: idem. whatever liquidates, liquidates. this is what the word means.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll agree to a lot of grudgingly before this btc thing is done. there's 0 diff between this and the haircut issue other than how close to your heart it pulls.
mircea_popescu: there's no alternative to that "in principle" other than the retarded half-ass nonsense the fiats practice
pete_dushenski: davout: iirc jetpack offers some nifty functionality, i even ran it myself back in the car blogging days, but yea, it's too messy to audit, so too messy to use anymore
mircea_popescu: it's what automattic / mullenberg dedicate their working hours to.
mircea_popescu: they're all shit. wordpress itself exists, as the deliberately-maintained ddos feature attests, principally FOR this.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it really, prolly just ban the offender from future auctions.
davout: mircea_popescu: re the signed addresses list: i'm looking into it
mircea_popescu: you in the race yourself ?
pete_dushenski: re: auction, i've taken the liberty of putting the bug in a few ears to see if some interest can't be drummed up.
pete_dushenski: lol at the jetpack hole. that plugin has been known to be problematic for some time. eg. https://blog.sucuri.net/2015/04/security-advisory-xss-vulnerability-affecting-multiple-wordpress-plugins.html
asciilifeform: 3rd rather
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mircea_popescu: possibly oldest cheese in the world, herodotus attests.
mircea_popescu: generally spent three seasons in there to mature.
mircea_popescu: theoretically ; oldest was maybe 30-40 yo iirc.
PeterL: the cheese keeps for a century?
mircea_popescu: anyway. century old cheese invented literally in the place i was born.
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mircea_popescu: the proper aged guy.\
asciilifeform: eaten straight from the cellar, sure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform proper cheese is never refrigerated either.
PeterL: velveeta? my mother-in-law uses the stuff to make mac-and-cheese, even my kids think it is kinda gross
davout: i have, in the us, but we also have that kind of food here, food that doesn't rot
davout: ok, so apparently it's one of the plugins i had installed
asciilifeform: i bet one of the innumerable items linked from external (google & shitpress) boxes got 0wn3d
asciilifeform: didja know, the string 405145 now means embed_spam_video() !111
PeterL: good thing you signed the bid, I guess
PeterL: or did he just copy alf's signed comment and insert the junk inside?
asciilifeform: http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-first-progress-report/ << holy fuck, is anyone else seeing spam in there ?
asciilifeform: incidentally ~gpg~ is broken NOW, i can make a fresh key with, e.g., mircea_popescu's fingerprint, for less than the cost of a bus.
mircea_popescu: nor will there be.
mircea_popescu: and there's no "mechanism" involved in this.
mircea_popescu: if rsa is broken, we have an event of the nature of "end of b-a" not of the nature of "an update".