asciilifeform: so if they had remained alive, 'armenian' today might simply mean just a subtype of turk
mircea_popescu: so what's your stance on the armenian genocide ?
asciilifeform: according to one version, the turks invented the mass gassing (they marched a buncha armenians into a cave and lit fires)
mircea_popescu: o thus the good looking beard ?
phf: i'm vaguely disappointed that chinese didn't preserve tibet as a kind of natural habitat, but had to go civilizing the place
mircea_popescu: for proportionate lulz : http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=7333
asciilifeform: civilized folk eat their babies raw, everybody knows!1111
mircea_popescu: the trite slyness of stupidity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: part of their mythology is that cn disassembles miscreants for spare parts (afaik this is not untrue, but the scale of it is exaggerated for effect)
mircea_popescu: fancy that, do you suppose konspiraci, or do you suppose idiocy is clever in the same way everywhere.
asciilifeform: the pro whiners typically orbit the few km radius of white house and other places where bureaucrats and tourists can be found
mircea_popescu: it's like ... "and then the turks came, killed all the men and sold the women off into slavery" and somehow the expected answer is something other than "omfg, here when ?!"
asciilifeform: the latter, dress in yellow and set up stands with pictures of dismembered corpses, etc. and nondescript trucks with caption 'organ collection' etc.
mircea_popescu: they have armenians here ; not so much tibet.
mircea_popescu: the chinese version, equally accurate, being that they brought the red light to a ridiculous sort of still-medieval sicily.
asciilifeform: 'The Tibetans refer to the Dalai Lama as 'Kundun', which means 'The Presence'. He was forced to escape from his native home, Tibet, when communist China invaded and enforced an oppressive regime upon the peaceful nation of Tibet.' << barfalicious
mircea_popescu: doing the same thing as now - sorta playing romania to sino-mongol disputes.
asciilifeform: whining re cn demolition thereof - no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tibet existed long before the england that spawned the us was invented.
mircea_popescu: apparently primitive hunter-gatherer societies accidentally left behind their time end up in the same ruts.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, anyone else notice the whole tibetan thing reeks of overgrown sioux or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: tbh i really liked the old log css.
phf: hmm, almost, maybe 2 more hours of work. deployable, but i want log collector to stand on its own, rather than rely on znc before i deploy
asciilifeform: (it is missing linkability and any kind of control knobs but otherwise is spiffy0
asciilifeform: and does it build for targets other than x86-64 ?
mike_c: and often something like "the later of that or 10 minutes after the last legitimate bid" kind of thing for an outcry auction like this
asciilifeform: well, nailed down where the number came from
asciilifeform: taken with shitcam on pnohe through the ocular
asciilifeform: or possibly one of my old colleagues did, i left a bunch of those roms and my microscope with them
asciilifeform: looks like mircea_popescu found the 200 ?
mircea_popescu: because, obviously, "entrepreneurs hate socialism". either that or nature hates it outright.
mircea_popescu: and yet still prefers to sell the actual regular for merely 0.5072 rather than pocket the 0.65 for crazy-five-year-plan-gas.
ben_vulpes: fully granted, corn in the gas is a tax of its own.
jurov: lol phf... then implement "imma garbage collecting, come back later" message?
diana_coman: fwiw deedbot worked for me, although it had 1 min delay to give the otp
davout: it answers that way when i feed it the decrypted otp back
davout: so i tried "$up", and then "$v OTP" against deedbot
asciilifeform: sorta the whole point of b&w
asciilifeform: who the hell ~doesn't~ process b&w at home
punkman: also from minox, these cool pocket-darkroom thingies http://www.submin.com/8x11/collection/minox/accessories/developing_tanks.htm
punkman: I think a couple small factories occasionally make batches these days, but I still have like a dozen expired rolls
asciilifeform: punkman: pretty sure the minox aficionados have a similar thing
punkman: some folks made a film splitting jig and then cut 35mm rolls into two 110 rolls (in darkroom of course)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgvm23MWZU1qcesmoo1_1280.jpg << they have faces!!1111
asciilifeform: well in the dream this is actually what happened! found a shop that sold it, but the clerk nonchalantly wound it from a bobbin in broad daylight, ignoring my grimaces
mircea_popescu: there's a cafe here, decor consists of well > 1k old cameras, up to about 1960s or so
asciilifeform: will it have film for the minox!
mircea_popescu: o dang, i never took you lot to the ancient camera cafe did i ?
asciilifeform had dream that he was in buenos aires but for some reason had a 'minox' the size of a matchbox, and was spending days and days trying to find film for it
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c0c080300cfc02a1085bdb3f74629190/tumblr_o2qtj3tm4e1rztma9o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: the /wp-uploads/ references still work, looks like he fucked up his redirects
shinohai: "Look, I don't care if there's a prophecy" <<<LOL
mircea_popescu: oh i'm sorry, the ~shameful~ pillar.
mircea_popescu: (we are good citizens she-amusing and the snake pillar, entrails of last poet last king snake.)
phf: just the amount of confusion all around
mircea_popescu: again with the weird brits lol ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron checksum is of the extracted file tho
phf: <mircea_popescu> [23:48:39] anyway, this entire "i don't understand what's << it's like the audience in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA
mircea_popescu: n his site, and a fair fraction of reddit's users, are him. He has nothing but time on his hands to create fake online identities). The sooner he leaves to be a full time MRA, the better."
mircea_popescu: "sciencehatesyou 3 points 1 day ago* I can't be bothered to read his tedious text. I also don't care what he does with his fake exchange and dumbass site, it's not like anyone was using it. The whole thing was a fake front, a facade, from day one. He has been cast out from butt circles, and as a last resort, was here trolling buttcoin for clicks using sock puppets (and man does that guy use sock puppets - 90% of the users o
mircea_popescu: in other lulz,
mircea_popescu: you suppose this is what people do to each other in the bureaugencies ? pretend like they read the logs / understood trilema, give newbs a hard time ?
BingoBoingo: imagine how poor FBI interns must feel when they get hazed with tmsr lawgs
mircea_popescu: it's really not terribly interesting, kinda like watching flies fuck. yes, eventually they'll evolve to pron, but meh.
asciilifeform: if we're going for a specifically-#trilema , i.e., mircea_popescutronic flavour, it might make sense to start the l0gz at ~his~ first contact with subj.
asciilifeform: pretty sure mircea_popescu is the closest we got to an archaeologist.
mircea_popescu: phf> boyer moore horspool further shaves the search down to .19s << this is pretty epic.
mircea_popescu: the things that are surprising now.
mircea_popescu: there, found it : (l1 > 0) || ((l1 > -count(l1)/2) && (l2 > 0))
mircea_popescu digs up for what the actual criteria for voicing was
mircea_popescu: more like a "people responsible enough to understand the difference between 'people on tilt' and 'voices of reason'". otherwise i enjoy talking with a wide selection of folks. women, even!
asciilifeform: phf: lulzily, symbolics sold a 3620 (the machine i have) but in 'deployment' variant, it was physically identical but had legalese forbidding development
phf: the point is not so much to patch code in production (though it makes sense on lisp machine since there's no "non-production"), but to support repl-based development process
adlai: mircea_popescu: re "seems to me this coolness resolves no actual problem, just pushes the goop around.", this ends up just as bad as patching binaries directly, or worse, because it feels like you're just writing more source
phf: boyer moore horspool further shaves the search down to .19s, i think further optimizations are needless
wallflower216: thanks, danielpbarron, and cheers to all. Just a noob here used to reading the logs so lurking here
shinohai: Play the fiddle as Rome burns.
phf: i'd ask trinque what the intended behavior is, and whethre or not there's a bug in the system. the new bot's been operational for whole 5 hours
ben_vulpes: jurov: trinque is frantically encrypting otps by hand behind the curtain
ben_vulpes: jurov: but hey perhaps it actually strengthens things to have infrastructure operated by people of varying rank in the various wots
ben_vulpes: i do not understand mircea_popescu's selection criteria for the new l1, but i don't think i am given to.
ben_vulpes: i am not pleased by many things about the schism, jurov
jurov: asciilifeform: nobody asked me to stop anything, i can continue doing these things regardless of being on some list
mod6: <+trinque> since I grew up in a sewer, the fact that you can go edit a running common lisp program will always bring me great joy. << this is very cool
TRS80`: asciilifeform: I don't recognize you. You can message me either of these two commands: "user identify <username> <password>" to log in or "user register <username> <password>" to register.
TRS80`: asciilifeform: Error: You don't have the #trilema,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
shinohai: Tho inside of bot they are certainly grep 'able >.<
shinohai: I tried the whole log thing but mine looked like Eulora's - non searchable.
deedbot: shinohai rated deedbot 10 << The new eye of providence.
shinohai: $rate deedbot 10 The new eye of providence.
mircea_popescu: pointer to an unsigned integer to be called nNonce and to be equal to the value cast to an unsigned int of the contents of the variable pdata incremented by 12
ben_vulpes: can someone tell me what the syntax `unsigned int& nNonce = *(unsigned int*)(pdata + 12);` in the context of http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2661 means?
mircea_popescu: Oct 07 17:09:09 <thestringpuller_> Each asset is unique no?
mircea_popescu: Feb 10 04:08:05 <benkay> i'm waiting for the developing world to figure it out
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz
trinque: I have seen the hell that is "what the fuck is in this repl, and oh right, it is not what is on disk."
trinque: hanbot: give $up another go
trinque: ah there it is.
trinque: yeah, that one's doing rss until I write an rss thinger for the new one
mircea_popescu: also which is the blogs title thing one, deedbot- ? or ?
asciilifeform: i suppose everyone needs a lispm, or a bbet, or the like
mircea_popescu: (iirc at the time it was advertised as a feature - keeps bear away)
mircea_popescu: well yeh but the cowsies look satisfied ?
asciilifeform: i bet this was the point!
asciilifeform: the wonderz of cn tech.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do these hipster derps completely miss what "fiscal" means ?
ben_vulpes: they're "fiscally sensible"
mircea_popescu: possibly the most ghetto thing about you.
asciilifeform: in ro there was ?!
asciilifeform: they look like ~all $1
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/eccf3269f2aa68a74a152a866d149f1d/tumblr_nvwz4gn9SK1s7fw1no1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: plenty good enough for the job
mircea_popescu: any great people who arent pieces of shit. I want to either be ignorantly happy, or fucking just die dude. Theres nothing for me here anymore besides my boyfriend but hell be better off without me. I feel like I just hold him back
My family would be so much happier if I was gone. Im the reason everyones life sucks. Someone buy me a gun
"
mircea_popescu: I kinda just wwant to run away and never come back. Or sleep forever. Or jus die. Im tired of this shit. I feel so drained. I Cant do this life thing anymore. Its too hard and Im not strong enough for this. I wasnt meant to be here. I wasnt meant for this. Im so tired of faking a smile every damn day of my life. Im tired of dealing with the horrible people of this world cause honestly? I dont know m
mircea_popescu: in other "us will totally defeat isis" news, "Drained
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and who the hell cares re how many 'tweets' wtf << girls.
asciilifeform: and speaking of other enigmas, did we ever learn what the 200 btc in http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-first-progress-report were ?
ben_vulpes: submitted the foundation statement yesterday, i've heard of no resignation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al : did jurov stop working as trb treasurer , coinbr operator ? i must have missed this ? 'cause i dun see him in the mircea_popescutronic list
asciilifeform: am i the only one here who has never used twatter for anything.
ben_vulpes: surely they're just available for dynamic linking in twitter's global namespace
asciilifeform: and who the hell cares re how many 'tweets' wtf
asciilifeform: where are the sha* functions defined ?
ben_vulpes: in other news, the keccak reference implementation appears to have been written on a windows machine
ben_vulpes: inland i believe they source yeast roles from landwhale folds
mircea_popescu: night is coming and i'd rather go ho-om!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, perhaps because in the half dozen strong warbands of the middle class juveniles the 2nd is the only ACTUALY hierarchy position ? 1-2-bunch ?
phf: But I think there's a useful question of how to reliably reconcile multiple log collectors
phf: Oh I'm still voiced, I was going to say, re "modifying live image is just a cool trick", yes it's not substitute for understanding because nothing is, that's what the tom knight koan is about
mircea_popescu: whole argument is circular. "why aren;t these schmucks making anything of themselves ?" "because they didn't have the opportunity" ie, "because they haven't made anything of themselves" "oh i see"
asciilifeform: but sure, i also did not go and ask the squirrels in the part whether their feeding was an abuse
mircea_popescu: yawell, opportunity doth not ask for permission ; either to come or go.
mircea_popescu: you have the opportunity to start your own gun and cunt trade baltimore operation. factually. except if we ask you.
mircea_popescu: according to whom, themselves ?
mircea_popescu: "oh but they had no opportunities"
mircea_popescu: the ghetto blacks are also not exploited by anybody today.
asciilifeform: the poor whites - were not exploited by anybody.
mircea_popescu: had the southern drunkards have the presence of mind to correctly use the grease, they'd have blown the puritans out of water.
asciilifeform: because they summed to ~0.
asciilifeform: now cash did not go into this, but it is a sort of scathing indictment of the 'if only poor folk were LEFT ALONE!11111 they would FLOWER!11' thing.
mircea_popescu: whereas the north had a very good use for them, even pre war. stalin was no doubt inspired by it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is that part also, yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: w.j.cash's 'the mind of the south' describes interesting thing: how the p000rwhitez of the old south were in a historically unique position, where the elite ~did not need them for anything~, nor even bothered to hunt for sport, because they took up space that wasn't cotton or tobacco - enabled
mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3820 << kinda interesting. lot of hay is made about "cruel treatment of black slaves", conveniently eschewing the fact that cruel tratament was - and rightfully so! - reserved for POOR PEOPLE.
mircea_popescu: it'll be very useful because i use gpg auth for eulora, will just have new players reg and then i can get their key
mircea_popescu: no, the pubkey
trinque: want that to barf the fingerprint?
diana_coman: <trinque> I'm not totally clear on what happened with diana_coman, because I did not remove the old methods. <- I sent the !up apparently before the change and it worked; but then the !v did not work as meanwhile the change was made (or so I gathered)
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants certainties fit for the godz, he'dve stuck to mathematics, no ?
mircea_popescu: yawell, then how is it fit for this discussion here!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: negative to all 3. again, i only ~suspect~. when i pull the parachute cord, i also do not ~know~ that it will open.
trinque: I just added the $up alongside.
mircea_popescu: and by "this" i mean : 1) how do you know thinking steps ahead is possible ; 2) how do you know were it possible you're doing it ; 3) how do you know were it possible and you doing it they weren't.
trinque: I'm not totally clear on what happened with diana_coman, because I did not remove the old methods.
asciilifeform: from the corpse.
asciilifeform: do not know, i never hung out with them... can only conjecture.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it is very painful. the "unnecessary" item is still being touched here.
mircea_popescu: right. so the theory of this here reformation is that they were kinda dumb and didn't understand the glory of modernity ?
ben_vulpes: returning to 'boots on the ground', mircea_popescu raises a valid point about changing the interface on users. but the "it should restart on code change to tell users things changed" imposes a very painful, unnecessary constraint on diddling deployed systems.
mircea_popescu: wait, you mean the greeks can't do gt ?
mircea_popescu: "why would a healty man work the field - when there's all this booty in gold and ass to be had ? is he mentally deffective ? a coward ?"
mircea_popescu: orly ? ask the greeks.
asciilifeform: as are voting circuits, and other aspects of a sane computer
mircea_popescu: ticks ? the lord of time have mercy on your soul.
mircea_popescu: specifically : i would judge trinque did 10% of the job yet. still has to specific.
mircea_popescu: can we talk about this here thing instead of other things!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sanity also includes ~actually specifying~ the fallover behaviours.
ben_vulpes: what, people are accustomed to hammering their fingers in the door, so i should allow for people who want me to hammer their fingers before letting them into the house?
asciilifeform: neither is sanity limited to lisp world. talk to the ericsson folks, with erlang, what, gonna restart swedish phone grid ?
mircea_popescu: are you gonna engage the debate or quote bible at it ?
mircea_popescu: there's this "reboot machine" "try again" close coupling that's more the c way than anything about arrays.
ben_vulpes: same'd likely have happened even under restart conditions. difference'd be that the chan would (maybe) see a join/part
mircea_popescu: but you gotta debug the "wtf this isn't working" complaints of people - and you're even less equipped to handle that, if nothing else because novel.
mircea_popescu: yeah, you no longer have to handle the indignity of restart.
mircea_popescu: you know, trinque asciilifeform phf ben_vulpes and other folks with the lisp interest : diana_coman 's mishap earlier makes me think about this. so... "changing code without restart is pretty cool". subjectively, it feels that way, i feel it. but then ... what of the people caught in mid transaction by an invisible change ? seems to me this coolness resolves no actual problem, just pushes the goop around.
ben_vulpes: yes quite obvious, trying to get him to reconsider automating the control rods
trinque: since I grew up in a sewer, the fact that you can go edit a running common lisp program will always bring me great joy.
mircea_popescu: aaaand there we go! wo hoo.
mircea_popescu: alrighty everyone - you'll be losing the autovoice. if you want voice, plox to say !up to deedbot in pm and then !v his otp.
trinque: a script's chugging away importing all the existing pubkeys
mircea_popescu: so basically, /msg ChanServ FLAGS #trilema deedbot +AHVhtv only works halfway, i guess they did a buncha undocumented changes to the op/halfop/etc mess.
mircea_popescu: apparently they fucked it up silently, /msg ChanServ AOP #trilema deedbot no longer works and so on.
mircea_popescu: wait, is the bot intimating i'm gay ?!
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
mircea_popescu: also maybe make the actual otp meat base64 ?
mircea_popescu: there's two reasons for this. one's that it eases management of otps if people batch it ; the other's that it acts as a salt offering some protection against some mostly theoretical attacks against privkeys.
mircea_popescu: trinque it'd be much better to include a digest of the command being processed in the pad.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user trinque to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=trinque&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
deedbot-: [Daniel P. Barron] Count me as thick, I dun see the connection. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/count-me-as-thick-i-dun-see-the-connection/
mircea_popescu: You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key <<< this is the wrong way to proceed. how about "we'll encrypt a random string to your key, which you must send back".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shame on you for intimating indignities on the angelic character of children. do you not know they be pure as teh driven snot ?!
mircea_popescu: trinque> and I have not imported the old wot << why not ?!
trinque: old deedbot- will handle feeds til I make an rsstron for the CL guy
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 'ALEXANDRIA, Va. – The hacker "Guccifer," alleged to be Marcel Lehel Lazar, 44, of Arad, Romania, made his initial appearance today here in federal court on charges relating to unauthorized access of protected computers. According to the indictment, from December 2012 to January 2014, Lazar hacked into....'
trinque: then appropriate to make a genesis v-patch and deed
trinque: I'll properly package the source, clean shit up a bit, then post for asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, phf to give a beating.
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
asciilifeform: not to mention when folks show up from outside, they still have their keyz, their histories, nobody cancelled them
asciilifeform: regrunting the old ratingz
trinque: matter for the forum to discuss; it's not a decision to not, but haven't.
trinque: and I have not imported the old wot
trinque: takes the usual commands, among them: !register, !up, !down, !rate, !unrate, !rated, !gettrust, and !deed
asciilifeform: momentarily though, CLASSY gassing, sawn to pieces in a motherfucking EMBASSY, my limbs carried out in DIPLOMATIC BAGZ!11111
asciilifeform comes home and finds business card from woman, 'special investigator, diplomatic security service, u.s. dept of state', is momentarily puzzled, notices hand-written note on the back, asking for a fella who lives 2 houses DOWN THE STREET
asciilifeform: (yes you can walk up the stack - or heap, as the case may be - with a negative/overflowing array index)
asciilifeform: at one rupturefarm where i applied to work, there was a notebook of 'pwn this proggy' underhanded-c questions, and one of them relied on this fact.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: also in usa 'sex' (esp among teenage scum) often refers to cock suction or otherwise cuntless pasttimes
mircea_popescu: the other fact is that i really don't do much coding (mostly because whenever i try i start throwing things out of displeasure of the sort seen above)
phf: There's a fact that this code is written for my own amusement, so figuring out how to make memory grep fast is a priority
phf: There's no reluctance to tree
mod6: ya, i'd give you a coin to bundle them up for me -- i'll store 'em somewhere for safe keeping.