pete_dushenski: http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/CoverStory-Hanuka-TaketheLTrain-879x1200-1459461739.jpg << heh. notbad.
asciilifeform: how did pete_dushenski get the impression that i sleep.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452674 << just received 'homemade' dice from family visiting morocco. looking forward to rolling a few thousand times and observing the distribution. maybe this weekend
asciilifeform: and i have nfi when i will have time to properly massage the thing.
asciilifeform: yeah these are a dime a dozen
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you're prolly seeing the model-M 122.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-15 00:20 asciilifeform: smoothest action i've ever felt.
pete_dushenski: http://outbreaknewstoday.com/plague-vaccine-from-the-sky-government-officials-propose-using-drones-to-vaccinate-prairie-dogs-82724/ << and perhaps a qntra newsicle for the immunologists cum technologists cum naturalists on staff
pete_dushenski: http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/04/11/defying-the-digital-revolution-radio-still-rules-the-road-infographic/#5b8e4e0e7bd5 << one for BingoBoingo
pete_dushenski: either way, the thing unjammed itself in about 4 hours and is back to normal. no restart, no majick required.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452834 << l0l! 'We all know of that one person in the military that has "That Spouse" the one's who think they are entitled to the whole world, who don't have do do anything but eat twinkies and make babies. Floors cluttered with old diapers and wrappers from 6 day old cheeseburgers. Well... we got one, and we're happily giving her back to you.' << dependapotamus !!11
a111: Logged on 2016-04-15 20:40 BingoBoingo: In various Theo poor https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=146075114225572&w=2
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452822 << lulzily, i own the box being whined about
a111: Logged on 2016-04-15 20:37 mircea_popescu: everything you ever saw said or thought or felt about rap as a subcultural phenomenon, some romanian somewhere thought, said or felt, as if they were his fucking own words, feelings and thoughts! and the groups respectively map, also!
asciilifeform: this is what i gather from 5m of read.
asciilifeform: and parked them in above-mentioned bankz
asciilifeform: most of the dough isn't anywhere near usa
asciilifeform: the docket title.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was the actual case !
asciilifeform: yeah but i love the title.
mircea_popescu: their usual derpage, neh ?
asciilifeform: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. CERTAIN FUNDS ON DEPOSIT IN VARIOUS ACCOUNTS DETAILED HEREIN, AND ALL FUNDS TRACEABLE THERETO Defendants-in-rem.
asciilifeform: in other noose,
asciilifeform: no in-q-tel in there !
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: yeah but how do you decide whether it's an isotronic one or old-style to be redirected.
mircea_popescu: same way you process any other string.
asciilifeform: and ftr i have nfi why the date format needed monkeying with.
mircea_popescu: well yes, seeing how today is 2016 the 16th of 4 ?
asciilifeform: yeah i never bothered to write it up
asciilifeform: but the journaderps linked.
BingoBoingo: I must have missed the thread
asciilifeform: 'Yet among the 38 previously undisclosed companies receiving In-Q-Tel funding' << false, they were all disclosed in the tax document i dissected HERE
asciilifeform: 'THE CIA IS INVESTING IN FIRMS THAT MINE YOUR TWEETS AND INSTAGRAM PHOTOS'
asciilifeform: in the 'intercept' link, i mean
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/04/docker-on-list-of-companies-taking-quiet-cia-funding << INCIDENTALLY no acknowledgement of my investigative thread in #b-a re ALL of the interesting in-q-tel firms
shinohai: I'll probably rerate when he stops drinking the Pb Waterz of Detroit.
asciilifeform: and where the hell has ben_vulpes been slummin'
ben_vulpes: (also missed all of those talks, although i am looking forward to the bbatsov talk)
adlai: ben_vulpes: wait till you see something that looks like javascript in CLOS, product of the adlai department of teenage larvalry
ben_vulpes: product of the DoD
mircea_popescu: and in other "things foodstamp hipsters do not like to hear" news, https://archive.is/VbZJV#selection-1889.0-1889.9
mircea_popescu: everything you ever saw said or thought or felt about rap as a subcultural phenomenon, some romanian somewhere thought, said or felt, as if they were his fucking own words, feelings and thoughts! and the groups respectively map, also!
mircea_popescu: i had the lulz of my life for an entire decade on the topic. there's, by and large, nothing dumber than people.)
mircea_popescu: (oh, yeah, and in a pile of mutatis mutandis lulz, gypsy 'music' [manele] almost exactly replicated the itinerary of black 'music' [rap] except compressed over a decade instead of three. amusingly enough - the participants were extremely fucking EARNEST! in complete and unabashed unawarness of the systemic nature of their deeply personal, thoroughly felt, aesthetico-political choices
mircea_popescu: romania has and throughout history had the about same exact ethnogroup. gypsyes rather than black, but otherwise exactly identical : loud, gregarious, female-centered, easily dominated by a coupla decisive men etc.
BingoBoingo: All it takes to become routine is the rats becoming *MORE* ratlike.
mircea_popescu: routine it'll never be, don't imagine the rats are all too brave.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo should be interesting once the gods of coincidence arrange for a mob of welfare derps to assault the house of some gonzo or other, resulting in machine gun fire from multiple positions and a few dozen dead innocent bystanders.
mircea_popescu: in other news, if you send me "notices" ima ignore you. win-win.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's the same guy, but w/e
mircea_popescu: i guess. that's the bidding nick tho.
mircea_popescu: http://deedbot.org/deed-403869-1.txt << in which i discover that the original application was never deeded o.O
shinohai: Remember the old days when you could mass kick everyone from chan and take over on some ircd's
mircea_popescu: * Welcome to the freenode Internet Relay Chat Network mircea_popescu Your host is barjavel.freenode.net[195.154.200.232/8001], running version ircd-seven-1.1.3 << this thing
mircea_popescu: mod6 yes you can ddos "a channel itself" in the sense that if it runs on its own infrastructure you just ddos the nodes, ie individual instances running ircd or equivalent.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo as they explained, they've learned from lessons of the past and will be doing things differently or somesuch.
mod6: ah. could be. i'd venture to guess that perhaps its the node or nodes on the network segment you're connecting to doing something weird, or bad, or being attacked.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: eh, yeah, i doubt it. not saying that you're wrong; just that, you can't dos a channel itself. only its individuals if you know its inhabitants. << I'm not trying to imply anything other than timing of my connection's enshittening seems suspish
mod6: i mean, i think we're pretty special and all, ( ;D ) but i doubt theres a bunch of people who care enough to try to slag down the whole fleanode because of drama.
trinque: mod6: other chans I frequent are seeing lots of disconnects and timeouts
trinque: and then, y'know, having our own internet
trinque: the deedbots are entirely separate source code. one's golang, the other's lisp. both tend to disconnect around the same times, and when the box they're on is minimally loaded
BingoBoingo: mod6: Before the divorce I'd keep connected for weeks at a time. Basically until I did something that closed connection.
mod6: BingoBoingo & trinque; im not sure how i seem to stay connected for as long as i generally do. but i bet among us all, i have the longest running connection times; on average.
shinohai: Sue in the court of tmsr
trinque: deedbot has been disconnecting with them
BingoBoingo: Ok, I'm starting to get tired of this fucking Freenode weather that's picked up substantially since the channel split. Before I could spend weeks with continuous uninterupted connection. Now, I'm lucky to stay connected a whole day. No other aspect of my connectivity has fucking changed.
mod6: Anyway, seems like there'll be a lot of things to keep you busy in the near future if you want to work on stuff. So, there's that anyway.
mod6: The biggest update comes from lastnight's congressional transcript.
mod6: Oh yeah, seven-hooker-burby is the way to roll.
shinohai really needs one of those Suburbans that can hold 7 hookers discussed in the old logs.
mod6: I'd say the result should be: 3.
mod6: here's a question. with regard to this (http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/), with three d6 rolls of [453] what would be the result?
mircea_popescu: phf a) can has 100 rather than 20 finds for search ? b) http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=moon&page=16 is last page notwithstanding that 16 * 20 !> 500
mod6: <+PeterL> I'm not saying you should use this, just trying to fix the mistakes in the linked code so people could explore it more << yeah, much appreciated. im on an adventure.
mod6: <+PeterL> I took out some of the "sneaky" pythonisms, might be a bit clearer now? << looks that way, I'm gonna play with this a bit tonight. But I did quickly try it out. Thanks again.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: that joke would probably even restore david foster wallacefrom the grave
adlai: in other news, i'm seriously considering arranging for a bitcoin miner so i can work on p2pool while in the farm
PeterL: I'm not saying you should use this, just trying to fix the mistakes in the linked code so people could explore it more
adlai wonders whether what he should really work on, these days, is completing his "Bitcoin Competence Certification" (the trilema thing)
asciilifeform: PeterL: more complicated than this. play with the von neumann algo, it is not magical
PeterL: and now they can have "provably unbiased" dice
adlai always preferred to use the I Ching ritual, with the yarrow stalks, repeated ad nauseam until you fall asleep from boredom
asciilifeform: yes, it is better than using one's mother's name or 'head' (see http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html for which sense)
asciilifeform: something always struck me as very http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto - ish about dice-genning keys
asciilifeform: for the record,
PeterL: aha, had it as false and then changed to 0, oops
adlai: PeterL: Returns False if any of the three rolls are equall. '''
PeterL: and I fixed a couple bugs, like the mismatched variable name and some missing float casts in the test, and I added a rudimentary prompt if you run the script from a shell
PeterL: I took out some of the "sneaky" pythonisms, might be a bit clearer now?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=alaskan+pipeline | alaskan pipeline. n: the act of pooping in to a condom, freezing the rubber overnight, then inserting it in to ones anus. Invented at the University of Iowa by Brian ...
adlai needs to rearrange his physical world, will report back from the next station. peace be unto all!
adlai has some candidate titles, will mull them over while he procrastinatesthe sysadmination of things
adlai is reporting live from the playroom
mircea_popescu: [the subtext here being that who the fuck tells his fucking name omaifuckinggerd. what if he were josh wilderbaum, just for that once ?]
adlai would rather come from a vat that into a tube!
mircea_popescu: anyway, that hammond thing is a nec plus ultram (< davout ) in derpage. EVEN AT THE TIME HIS LIFE WAS ON THE LINE, the shmuck did yet still not know his phone is not on quiet. this person has no children in the house, never had a girfriend he was two timing, grew up without parents, etc.
mircea_popescu: adlai possibly 5 minutes past the hammond scene.
adlai: forgive my brashness, but did you watch it through to the end or quite partway?
mircea_popescu: what if someone has a knife ? there goes my throat ?
mircea_popescu: i only made it to about there. buncha idiots with assault rifles running "the most brilliant coup in history". apparently thye missed the "adequacy of weapon to task 101" class at sane people academy. took the hollywood altreality class instead.
mircea_popescu: no stained panties ? nobody had a little girly accident ? nothing ? just, military level americans ? where the fuck.
mircea_popescu: and while we're on it, where the everloving fuck did they find those incredibly pliable, ready and trained set of people of walmart ? i bet you that on a million dollar budget you can't get together actual streetwalkers in new york that strip when they hear "i'ma need you to strip".
mircea_popescu: you know there's advertisements all over buenos aires for "classes de smartphone". they depict on cheap paper a lock and an ancient brick phone halfmerged.
mircea_popescu: no but seriously... peter hammond derp leaves phone behind to be a hero, has not sufficient familiarity with how the phones work to put it in quiet mode ?
adlai: mircea_popescu: SORRY TO HEAR YOU DIDN'T ENJOY THE MOVIE oopslock is infecshus i guess.
mircea_popescu: NEXT THEY'RE GOING TO CLAIM THINGS DON'T START WITH THE BEST GREATEST EMPIRE OF EVER!
mircea_popescu: DONT THEY KNOW WERE DUMB ???
mircea_popescu: OMAIGERD HOW DARE THE KULAKS USE LATIN
mircea_popescu: it really burns reddit / the average curve-thrown ustard, also.
davout: one of the cool things about this chan is that i get to learn a bit of latin every day!
mircea_popescu: because yeah, they totally don't need france's vote once mexico invades.
mircea_popescu: shinohai it's part of the us' incredibly lulzy "we may be the dumbest kid in school but this other kid picked his nose" attempt to use the immigration wave their warcrimes throughout the middle east caused.
mircea_popescu: there is this theory that his brain at some point worked, years ago. i subscribe to it. sadly he has been silent for years ; his newfound interest in things and verbal flurries on topics may be interesting, but principally to whatever paid medical professional. i'm neither paid nor a doctor, and in any case i am of the firm conviction that he is non compos mentis, and unable to evaluate any statement.
shinohai: http://www.thelocal.fr/20160414/us-france-for-numerous-human-rights-issues <<< project much USA?
davout: anyway, as soon as i receive the additional cash i'll craft the unsigned transaction and publish it for public review
davout: i disagree with the conclusions
punkman: from the viewing room: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058672/ and 5 hours of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1321865/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mod6 but if you ever wanna retire, could prolly buy a thousand acres in cordoba and get a nice ranch going. possibly for less than what retirement costs in the us.
mircea_popescu: eh, they all wanna be carrie bradshaw. except they don't even put as much effort into it as the average midwestern hayseed chick
mod6: i guess it does seem like maybe the terrain out there would be good for grazing. kinda like the mid-west used to be without the fences. ala kansas, oklahoma, texas circa 1800-1880
BingoBoingo would not be surprised if there were some soy farmers out there who had not intentionally touched a bean.
BingoBoingo: Is there actually labor in soy beyond maintaining the machinery? Soy is hella mechanized here.
mircea_popescu: but these days, they mostly do soy. less skilled labour involved, and they're idiots.
mod6: played with it for an evening or something. this was like right around the time of the contest.
mod6: I think it would encrypt a string. Then decrypt it, but it wouldn't/couldn't take any different input. haha.
mod6: Next friday checkpoint at the latest. Even if it's just a quick update.
mod6: I'll start putting this together, let's check back in on where I'm at say, mid-next week.
mod6: I think this is a good stopping point for today probably. Plenty of food for thought. Getting the list together is a small enough chunk to get us started.
BingoBoingo: in case of fire, and during the last drill (my building is only four stories for fucks sake) an obese coworker was out of breath and had to stop half-way with a huge line of people behind her - if this was a real emergency, I'm sorry, but I'm gunna gunt punt that woman to ensure everyone can make it out alive." https://archive.is/7ObHD
BingoBoingo: Iterlude from the mines: "During the 9/11 attacks, more people died than should have because the obese people in the buildings could not move down 20 flights of stairs as fast as needed. FACT. Obese people moving slow (as fast as they can) in a burning building stairwell absolutely can cause people to not make it out alive. This is the most triggering one for me. I'm one of those people who volunteered in my office to help people escape
mod6: This is something that ben and I can put together.
mircea_popescu: impossible to organize activity otherwise ; or for that matter to maintain any semblance of discipline or morale.
mircea_popescu: anyway, making a list of all the things seems paramount
asciilifeform: then i went off into my pit to produce a cstron.
asciilifeform: we settled, iirc, that whoever shows up with ~working~ widget, gets the prize.
mod6: oh, thought that you got the 10 BTC?
mircea_popescu: of course, the discussion re cipher composition is herein included by reference.
mircea_popescu: i don't know there's a better alternative than cs.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's anything wrong with proper, full rsa (as opposed to the neutered version implemented by pgp)
asciilifeform: would help also to nail down the exact cryptomechanics of a viable 'iB'
mircea_popescu: something beyond the very summary skeletons discussed in chat prior and even further summarized above.
mircea_popescu: and as the idiots keep investing themselves, no matter how ineptly, they'll eventually build a shitpile large enough, i suspect.
asciilifeform: i recall this. it is rather like 'cruiser aurora', bottom - is of cement
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mpb is creaking at the seams.
mircea_popescu: if we are in a position to say "we don't want a fork - but if you do, THIS fork will prevaly, no matter what you do, because it actually is the tech schelling point" then that's the end of that.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that this role, to the extent it was filled by anything, was previously filled by mpb.
mod6: So, we build a new battleship, and keep it in port. This will make 'em bleed through the purse.
mircea_popescu: mod6 like i pointed out to davout in the middle of that heated discussion re how things work, this is one of those things that deal with the negative of "works"
asciilifeform: in the past i referred to such items as 'parachute'
mircea_popescu: mod6 you follow the logic here ?
mircea_popescu: \this can end up costing, by the end of the war, way the fuck more than their battleships were wortjh in the first place.
mircea_popescu: they have to keep accounting for your potential activities. hence the "in being" part.
mircea_popescu: instead, you keep your battleship in port. this ties down the enemy, and they can't go about doing their shit normally
mircea_popescu: you have created this situation when the enemy has one... relatively infinitely large battleship.
mircea_popescu: ok, it's a concept from maritime strategy, that meanwhile took over mainstream. the idea is that if you have one big battleship, and the enemy has three, you are ill advised to go into battle. because if you sink two, and they sink yours
mod6: Then, i think my initial still holds. Short term C releated work, if it can even be done in time. And meanwhile, new icecream replacing dogshit.
asciilifeform: the one risk is that folks might get carried away with the 'belts and suspenders' and write some very slow code (where there are type predicated on everything, etc.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: considering that ada uses no peculiar ('functional') abstractions, and is pretty much a c with 'bdsm'-restrictive pointer mechanics and hard bounds checking - the nock thing is not in the mix
mircea_popescu: and then gradually push shit out.
mircea_popescu: mod6 that was the major point , that they are miscible. very rarely you get so lucky, that you can add icecream to shit,
mircea_popescu: the haskellweight of a project, how likely it is to suck brains and ideas into a black hole of nock.
asciilifeform: it builds to a traditional binary, like any other gcc.
mircea_popescu: i mean something peculiar. not of the thing itself, but of the effect it has on heads.
mircea_popescu: of course the less nifty thing is that whether this entire pile actually works or collapses under its own haskellweight is an unknown.
asciilifeform: the nifty thing is that ada standard specifies own scheduler.
asciilifeform: then we can actually speak of useful wurk
mircea_popescu: with any luck, all the way to verilog.
mircea_popescu: what, whne you were raving about ada the specified, what did you think i read, exactly this, "oh, he hopes and wills to make the whole chain"
asciilifeform: objective is to let go of the whole shitstack.
mircea_popescu: mod6 "ideal Bitcoin", ie the 2nd thing. i dunno just came up with it
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the iB : there's a number of very valuable ideas, at least in my eyes, that discussion throughout has brought out. yes the sha thing discussed on trilema ; also - ada, linked into the c, and slowly driving out the c, much in the way the vermin try to drive out say x11 or rsa etc.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason why the sort of guy that can't pass the simplest test of manhood, that pons asinorum known as the prisoner's dilemma is known as a rat.
mircea_popescu: (yes asciilifeform, "captive by local minima" is not the definition of adulthood, or of civilisation. it is the definition of rat.)
mircea_popescu: in the sense that the incentives of the vermin are modified by its projection. vermin being definitionally captive subject to incentive potential.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, a good iB in back pocket as you say plays the strategic role of "fleet in being", in that it protects the old shit from too violent a crisis.
mircea_popescu: the other's very practical : every halving is a difficult time for bitcoin. it's a more or less homeostatic structure, which means that with some periodicity will go into crisis. you don't know what crisis will rupture a vessel and give it an aneurism, but it is indubitable that the quality of alternative on offer is the best measure of its lfie expectancy.
mircea_popescu: well, there's two classes of arguments pro iB that i can readily see. one's very fundamental : the code is shit, the "grandfather pistols" thing will only go so far, it is by its nature finite in utility. eventually the trhing will have to be redone well. it is, after all, a misuded prototype.
mod6: as Ada. We've all kicked it around a bunch about the lang, and I'm not sure we're all sold on Ada. But seems like a step in the correct direction overall.
mod6: so i guess there are short term and long term initiatives: Short term (for this summer, 12 weeks from now) it might suit us well to have a SHA3 bitcoin in our back pocket. And with some mapped/planned out work there, would still be a long shot, but possible, I suppose. Long term (1+ year or more?), concurrently there could be work towards an actual hardfork with an ideal bitcoin written in something, such
mircea_popescu: they're pretty large issues.
mircea_popescu: the other point, whatever may be decided on the previous point, is to make some sort of roadmap or even ideally graph of parts and then see who can do what and so on
mircea_popescu: so one thing is you know, to come to some sort of decision on what to do there. strategy-wise, as it were.
mod6: But starting might just be half the battle. We'd have to go through a process of perhaps identifiying first, where to swap out SHA2-256 for SHA3-512. (whatever needs to be included, what structures and fields need to be lengthened, etc)
mircea_popescu: mod6 well one major question to be decided is : obviously there's the project of cleaning up extant bitcoin code ; by the discussion re july of forks, there's also the proposal to start a separate project to make an "ideal bitcoin". this proposal wasn't ever seriously discussed and i dunno that it ever was actually accepted as such.
mod6: I personally have hardly even begun to look at what/where/how these code changes would need to take place in the current cod.
mod6: If we basically just tagged bitcoin in V as is today, then we could possibly start working on the implementation of the prereqs above.
mod6: Anyway, so i was re-reading through http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
davout: either way, i'm going to bed, it's late here
mircea_popescu: there was enough of that!
billy_mays: but wait, there is more!
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: what the everloving
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mod6: the first step was understanding wtf was going on with the arrows going up/down or up/down/down, up/up/down, down/up/up, down/down/up
mod6: ok you that decision table for a d6 here: http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/
shinohai: Also BingoBoingo thanks for preserving the "Shapeshit" spelling as I intended.
mod6: why was that so hard? i think the example is maybe just not very well, um, explained? i dunno
mod6: oooh, i get this decision table now. if r1=4, r2=6, r3=3, then i yield a final value of 2.
asciilifeform: smoothest action i've ever felt.
asciilifeform: the springs, would you believe, sound like shamisen strings when pressed.
asciilifeform: in other 'news',
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: sbp: i recommend drinking less - srsly, it worked for some of the folks here... << That step 1
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: (message to proberz : probe that is visible to the motherfucking naked eye , regardless of how otherwise original, is an insult to the intelligence of a shoe) << qntra was hit hard with a comment spam cannon. Will take time to clean up approval que.
trinque: I learned recently that the "inventor" of ruby is a japanese mormon
mod6: heheh. that's pretty ugly there too.
mod6: its like the worst of all worlds, some OO, some lisp, some indentation bullshit.
mod6: i guess it's just the same thing with more values, just was going to try to mod this guys shit to see if I did it right so i dont shoot myself in the face
mircea_popescu: dig through the guy's site also, he has various extensions/improvements discussed.
mod6: thought the program might help a bit.
mod6: i actually don't care /that/ much. im trying to wrap my brain around the truth table for the d6, with three rolls.
mircea_popescu: mod6 if you actually care enough, iirc the site had a decent manual/tutorial
trinque: the above doesn't work
trinque: mod6: maybe the guy meant "collections" ?
mod6: http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/
mod6: i was just pointing back to last weeks conversation about the nature of a coin. a float, 'tis not. :]
davout: they're important, after all bitcoins are made of bitcents