mircea_popescu: ok, good enough then.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yomi | Yomi is a Japanese term meaning "Knowing the mind of the opponent", and is essentially an intangible asset required in fighting games. It's the ability to know ...
mircea_popescu: i'm going to have to use the kanji won't i.
mircea_popescu: not that. as in on'yomi and kun'yomi. the reading/strategy yomi.
shinohai: Japanese for "Land of the dead"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: he always used the capital A tho, i reclal this.
Apocalyptic: somehow the WoT split from b-a must have been messed up
mircea_popescu: i thoughjt so, but the machine disagrees. were you using a different capitalisation ?
Apocalyptic: I am very well in the WoT, I was even a lord at some point
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this possible ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu: that's the salt thingy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually there's somewhere in log you were discussing some webturd proposing e = 1 or somesuch few days ago ? can't seem to find it.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, yes daughters are daughters, but they live in the same house and if one's a slut...
Apocalyptic: <+mircea_popescu> 35 mod 4 = 3 // yes, but this isn't related as the RSA arithm doesn't happen in Z/35Z, let alone that 35 isn't prime
mircea_popescu: (if you recall that was part of the suppression, originally)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic especially the non-mirrored 32 bit ones, yeah.
mircea_popescu: 35 mod 4 = 3. we don't know the p, but if you were given to guess, it wouldn't be such a crazy guess to guess it also is.
Apocalyptic: especially the non-trivially large ones
Apocalyptic: no idea why these weird exponents were chosen
Apocalyptic: (back to the Z/pZ case, if p = 3 (mod 4), the square root of c is simply c^((p+1)/4), so just a simple exponentiation)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic note the weak Northrop Grumman / navy.mil keys were all 2^n + 1, ie 16385
mircea_popescu: bear in mind some of these exponents are actually 1 x.x
mircea_popescu: well last i looked at it the field appeared to be moving, is all i'm saying.
mircea_popescu: tho to be fair iirc they were getting results with computing n-th roots
Apocalyptic: it wasn't quite obvious that the bold nickname is in fact a link, I think it would help to have the date with the link before the name like in the b-a log
mircea_popescu: and yes, it's practically lost, but i was keeping it more on a math level. possibly should put it as comment there.
Apocalyptic: nevermind that search part, I missed the link
Apocalyptic: here it's smaller there is no chance at all this happens obviously
Apocalyptic: "In practice, however, it is a lot cheaper to pick a prime exponent, than to check and make sure the exponent shares no factors with N or phi(N)" is there even something checking that e is coprime to N ? this would mean that e is necessarily a multiple of p or q, a case you would be extremely unlucky to get, in the somehow dubious case your e is larger than any of those prime. In the more usual case w
Apocalyptic: Re "However, e must be coprimeiii with phi(N), because otherwise messages encrypted can no longer be singularily decrypted (ie, the decryption process allows multiple ambiguous solutions)" it's not even that there are multiple solutions, but afaik there is no algo with a reasonable complexity to even recover them, since this implies computing an n-th root in Z/NZ
Apocalyptic: however no fucking way to date the result, hence to get the whole conversation about it. Seems quite useless
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: re e == 1, I was going to refer to the infamous salt commit and madduck, but I get it has already been discussed since http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=madduck yields a result
asciilifeform: i oughta add a whole page for these..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ought to be in order they were walked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are items on the sadmod page presented in random order ?
mircea_popescu: dude seriously, the jack of cards braindamalogy ?
phf: i was just marveling at the idea that you can you bludgeon and scalpel from the same cause, but always going for the second one reveals something about a thought process
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 17:19 phf: only in tmsr would i be the gentlest one ha
mircea_popescu: (and yes, that's approximately the first and best measure of trained slave - does she move into the lash ?)
mircea_popescu: phf that is correct, nevertheless, only little bitches shy from pain. girl can learn to move into the lash within a few months. writer should be fucking born with it.
mircea_popescu: this has got to be debatable. over here you can't get two derps to pronounce ll the same way you telling me stalin managed somehow ?
mircea_popescu: мультивер and многомерност. mult... hey, russian actually has the aproximate lateral palatal ?! i had no idea.
BingoBoingo: phf: Being the gentle on in TMSR is a phase most people grow out of.
phf: i think criticism is particularly painful when comes from place of precise understanding. then there's no excuse of "i was misunderstood!!". no, you were understood, and you suck.
phf: only in tmsr would i be the gentlest one ha
phf: that's one of the reasons why i couldn't get through far, i read enough of that shit online, to also read emulated version
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to tell you how many lashes i distributed to innocent slave girls that wanted to start with a summary, a pile of hedges, some insurance, contextualization and what the fuck now.
mircea_popescu: this habit of "introduction" and "setting" and "explaining" and generally being a borderline sleeve neurotic tard is what sinks most writers that ever had a prayer. for the love of fuck - it's EXACTLY like talking to the police. NEVER say anything. not ever. fuck the intro - if the reader can't figure one out that works for him, he has no business reading.
asciilifeform: iirc rough bio of mr p: went to engineering school, dropped out to sell ibm pc xt clones in early '90s, made megatonne of megabux, got into lsd, went off to write (at first short stories, for phree) then b00kz etc.
mircea_popescu: my better ones had plain producer markings (AGFA in thick red font was the best thing of my childhood). the cruddier ones had xerox'd pictures of who knows what.
asciilifeform: back when i used to get the physical items via new york importer
asciilifeform: i have seen number of others !
mircea_popescu: but nevertheless YOU ask ME wheter i seen covers.
asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu ever seen ru sf b00k covers ? they are all like this.
mircea_popescu: veliky hamster lol. "this cover made by a graphical artist whose distinction is that the text is somewhat funny."
mircea_popescu: is he the sort of tard that twu wuvs some sort of derpy yoko ono "artist" woman
phf: i could through a handful of pages before giving up, the book cover is just obnoxious
mircea_popescu: what happened to "fuck you, i use physical terms because i invented all of it and if you don't understand anything tell your father to stop drinking."
mircea_popescu: and when i say "he codes well", what i mean is of the following type : yes he nearly moved the site before building the link bridge. BUT! that is easily fixed. what is not easily fixed is that everyone else would have made a link bridge that treated /gpgkey/xxx correctly, but left /stat hanging. he didn't, his /stat redirects correctly also.
mircea_popescu: is there a link ?
mircea_popescu: all the shit i never read, i am cursed to forever rewrite.
asciilifeform: that mircea_popescu is more or less rewriting pelevin's 'love of the three zuckerbrins'
mircea_popescu is rather proud of ^
asciilifeform: pretty sure it became sop and the harvesters run to this day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i put the first in log myself! but teh second bwahahah. hightop eh.
shinohai: The lulz continiue ... a .mil this time xD
davout: asciilifeform mircea_popescu he's the hashcash guy iirc
asciilifeform long ago lost track of which of these was which.
mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B4E8E5C313FB8A63997E829FBD1B5661D3CDF468BF4854EC92F9DCBFB673E9C << is this the redditard by the same name ?
asciilifeform: life is cheap there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i knew folks in there, massive slave farm
mircea_popescu: of course, no joe bradley listed anywhere there.
mircea_popescu: i suppose there's a DOUBLEWORD to describe this particular flavour of sigint rite ?
asciilifeform: ditto elgamal (they were ALL fucked, see logz)
asciilifeform: i discarded the dsa crapolade
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the useful subset is a few gb
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how large was the sks dump?
asciilifeform: someone - perhaps even the original user - converted...
asciilifeform: which is why i was astonished to see any in there
ben_vulpes: perhaps some time will free up after this expose-child-to-great-grandmother-in-flyover-states-before-she-exits-gracefully concludes
mircea_popescu: iirc there was a dump at some point
asciilifeform: somebody put those into the hopper.
mircea_popescu: what was the total count again ? 20mn ? like 3-4% loaded yet ?
mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB << a look, PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key <update-key@pgp.com>; with the 32 bit mirroring thing. we're by now in last year's territory amirte ? i recall seeing this.
mircea_popescu: it's a matter of audience. the people who think gavin is a person don't grok all this ; the rest would be counter-affected.
mircea_popescu: well no, given keys A and B, getting B's modulus to appear on A requires one of the two to collaborate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you sign the debian archive key ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: it's not worth it, it's easy to get them to go to a bathroom with you then deliver that punchline
phf: when i was out last saturday "on the town", every other girl was from ohio, indiana, illinois. it turned into a game at some point. team ohio won
asciilifeform: i am an aficionado, i looked at the logos, they were already installed when the rosenbergs were sizzling in the d.c. electric chair...
asciilifeform: phun phakt, there are still cast iron traffic light controller / miscellaneous telephonic junk boxes mounted on streets in d.c., empty, sometimes full of bird nest and rubbish
asciilifeform: i would ~pay~ not to work there !
asciilifeform: never was there such a flea.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet a flea that respected the dog.
mircea_popescu: of course by now it matters relatively little, nobody in his right mind would seriously propose the west has anything to say or offer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the perennial permanence of this scum accounted for the very ambivalent reaction east block refugees received, which was the first desilusionment for most eastern people.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 01:46 mats: he bragged for a few mins at the end of his presentation about how he got to work in downtown d.c., rubbed shoulders with 'important people', traveled all the time to speak at prestigious events
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456282 << the most loathesome imho, of the ones in washington, are the falun gong people, in their yellow cult dress. followed by the iran emigres, who march around with signs demanding that their country be bombed and obamanated
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 01:40 shinohai: asciilifeform: any eta on the rsa feed? I used to have it connected to my bot.
mircea_popescu: actually...there were, technically pseaking.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure. there weren't paris soda fountains, for instance.
phf: well, right, but my point is, to use the analogy, that starbucks wouldn't have anything to poach if there weren't paris cafes
mircea_popescu: but i mean... there's zero relation between the fact that cool people in paris cca 1800 drank coffee and starbucks. what coffee culture.
phf: there's a cool book about american weirdo prank culture of the mid 80s early 90s, http://www.amazon.com/Pranks-RE-Search-No-11/dp/0965046982 it's in the tradition of american weird (john waters, church of satan, boyd rice, that kind of crowd)
mircea_popescu: the usg, ever more distant from reality. after michael moore-level break from reality of the 90s, moving on to complete psychosis. soon to reach best korea level of mental confusion, im sure that fat schmuck was anally battering women called "Capitalism" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: "According to Servin, the Yes Men concept initially sprang from their creation of a fake website spoofing the World Trade Organization. To the surprise of Servin and Vamos, many believed the site to be authentic, and the two were consequently contacted to speak at a conference in Austria. Since this time, the Yes Men have continued performing large-scale hoaxes, in what they describe as a collaborative effort with journalists
mircea_popescu: g ways toward the public
mircea_popescu: lms, they impersonate entities that they dislike, a practice that they call "identity correction". The Yes Men operate under the mission statement that lies can expose truth. They create and maintain fake websites similar to ones they intend to spoof, which have led to numerous interview, conference, and TV talk show invitations. They espouse the belief that corporations and governmental organizations often act in dehumanizin
mircea_popescu: The Yes Men are a culture jamming activist duo and network of supporters created by Jacques Servin and Igor Vamos.[1] Through actions of tactical media,[citation needed] the Yes Men primarily aim to raise awareness about what they consider problematic social and political issues. To date, the duo has produced three films: The Yes Men (2003), The Yes Men Fix the World (2009)[1] and The Yes Men Are Revolting (2014). In these fi
mircea_popescu: in other "fat women pictures and other non-news", retardopedia has a lengthy article on nobody in particular :
a111: Logged on 2016-04-21 02:55 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot there.
phf: well, my idiocies i bring on myself, so they can be carefully undone
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hm, i should do date conversion then ?
phf: (it's trickier then it would appear to any rational being, because the url handler that i'm using is all kinds of idiotic, i need to rip it)
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, you happy with the log ? am i moving links over ?
mircea_popescu: went the way of detroit.
mircea_popescu: anyway. tibet used to be, roughly speaking, southern california of china. it got the mongolian hordes in the midwest all occupied, and more likely to put up with the emperor in washingtonjing.
mircea_popescu: not exactly useless. in socialism, political posturing is the first and often only "useful" activity.
mats: afterwards i asked him how he ended up in the role and it turned out he did some shit for occupy
mats: he bragged for a few mins at the end of his presentation about how he got to work in downtown d.c., rubbed shoulders with 'important people', traveled all the time to speak at prestigious events
mats: chuckled nervously, dodged the entire question, then talked about how important donations were to tibetan freedom and wutever the fuck
mats: i encountered a professional tibetan panhandler in univ and asked him during the q&a wut exactly his end game was re: china (e.g. revolution by violent means? establishment of 's.a.r.' like .hk? macau?)
shinohai: asciilifeform: any eta on the rsa feed? I used to have it connected to my bot.
mircea_popescu: kinda clashes with the derpage about how "the fsf doesn't consult rms because he's too slow for school"
mircea_popescu: i dunno about the "labor organizing" skills involved, but if they're at the same script kiddie level his technical skills belie, he's just right for the democratic party astroturf dept.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, obviously all local names are arbitrary from the global perspective.
mircea_popescu: ie if i were an user i'd log as root@popescu.mayfirst.org rather than the more common nowadays.
mircea_popescu: there's also a didier. and so on. seems they go by the ancient tradition of giving users a subnet
phf: it looks like that's their mail server, kind of an odd name, but i don't think RMS is involved
mircea_popescu: oh i keep forgetting the bot rss's.
deedbot: [Trilema] The recent Phuctor finds, explained. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-recent-phuctor-finds-explained/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2016/the-recent-phuctor-finds-explained/ << as you command.
asciilifeform: but wanted to catch all the weird-e folkx
mircea_popescu: let them deny it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have nfi why everyone instantly convinced that the key belongs to northropg
mircea_popescu: Eng Seng ONG (Sydney, NSW, Australia) <esong@mensa.org.au>; Public Exponent 2441348387 is NOT PRIME ! Public Exponent 2884952233 is NOT PRIME ! << this looks like yet another class of different weird e's, perhaps deliberate.
deedbot: [Qntra] Phuctor, the RSA Super-Collider Discovers Vulnerability in Northrop Grumman PGP Root-CA - http://qntra.net/2016/04/phuctor-the-rsa-super-collider-discovers-vulnerability-in-northrop-grumman-pgp-root-ca/
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 4202608123 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Walther Mayer <walther.mayer@web.de>; << poor guy, just can't catch a break.
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 3765668207 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Walther Mayer <walther.mayer@web.de>;
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 21 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): AvaCam <avacam@geocities.com>; << wasn't this one of the early camhos ?!
mircea_popescu: yeah why i said pretty thoroughly infested. and since few others have the 35 problem...
mircea_popescu: odd isn't it ? these should be diff packages ?
phf: Alfonso Mora <alf@arrakis.es>; there's your halleck. his gpg key is also bork
mircea_popescu: also compare and contrast with the centralizing windows mind discussed earlier today.
mircea_popescu: phf seeing how they aren'\t paying me to secure them, whether it's hot or cold makes no diff.
mircea_popescu: 4. Long-term answer: don't use RSA. RSA is well on its way to obsolescence. Most problems you'd ever want to solve with RSA are better solved with Curve25519 (for DH) and Ed25519 (for signing). Not coincidentally, these are the algorithms implemented by Nacl, the only crypto library you should consider using.
mircea_popescu: 3. Best-practice answer: just use 65537, in all cases. The other popular answer is 3, which is mathematically fine, but leaves less room for implementation error; there are some implementation flaws for which attacks are untenable with e=65537.
mircea_popescu: 2. Pragmatic answer: prime numbers are generally coprime with the modulus, and so they're an easy answer, and so RSA public exponents tend to be prime.
mircea_popescu: 1. Technical answer: an RSA public exponent needs to be coprime with the modulus, which is not the same as requiring that it be prime.
mircea_popescu: let's play a little "guess the address of the scum pond" : Should an RSA public exponent be prime?
phf: i'd look at the date of that key though, whether it's hot, or we're just looking at an old trail
mircea_popescu: no, they look kind of like soros' litter.
phf: dunno, they look kind of derpy
mircea_popescu: organisation 100% fucked up by the 35 exponent. possibly we found the intended victim of that ?
mircea_popescu: too bad they can't crypto.
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phf: i'm putting all these keywords into my google search
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : you got your qntra piece right there. "Phuctor, the RSA Super-Collider discovers vulnerability in Northrop Grumman PGP Root-CA "
mircea_popescu: maybe point out to him then
mircea_popescu: phf if it's rsa, it's food. alf the beedog is serious about bee's knees like that.
mircea_popescu: i would think this is definitionally lame, "o hey check out my pgp key with the cool domain and the shitty exponent".
mircea_popescu: which one was halleck, the good mentat guy ?
mircea_popescu: ssh://halleck.arrakis.se; among others
mircea_popescu: in other phuctor news (omfg this site is like perpetual xmas tree, i keep going there for presents multiple times a day), what the fuck is with all the ssh keys with exponent = 35
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> Stopped writing because he discovered gurlz. << one of the better reasons.
mircea_popescu: #2 think they like, being a little bratty.
mircea_popescu: #1 thing they like, taking big fat cock up ass
BingoBoingo: <trinque> was this the one BingoBoingo said was a furry? << Twas Rassah was the furvert
davout: shinohai: you suck, you didn't notice wp botched the gpg key!11
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 16:02 asciilifeform: which is why there are no folks younger than, what, 20, here.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455861 << The devthedev kid who wrote a bit for early qntra is still under 18!
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455829 << One aunt and uncle locked thier house for the first time in a decade this weekend.
copumpkin: nah, back in my day the iPad was just a glimmer in Steve's eye
mircea_popescu: lol copumpkin is the champion ipad jailbreaker.
trinque: was this the one BingoBoingo said was a furry?
asciilifeform: 'he had it coooming! he had it commming! he only had himself to blaaame! if y'dhve been there! if you;'dve seen it! you know that you would have done! the same! ' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: Pirate: How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor."
mircea_popescu: that's where the rogue veers politica.
asciilifeform: somehow i recall the thread where mircea_popescu explained 'caught thief's justifications'
mircea_popescu: "it's for training. you have to work less to go the same distance"
phf: "femke, my fellow biking aficionado, i built a motorized bike but the kicker, nobody can tell you're using one. say, you want to borrow it for a few weeks? say put it in your fleet of racing bikes?"
asciilifeform: the intricately crafted hidden motor exists only to cheat in race.
asciilifeform: the japanese ones have larger, ~external~ motor
asciilifeform: phf: note that you cannot buy ~these~ motor bikes in a store.
mircea_popescu: what else are they goinna say, "my daughter is ten bucks a lay, free blowjobs on sunday, call now" ?
asciilifeform: ' Van den Driessche and her father deny any intent to cheat and say that the situation was a mix-up: A friend’s bike outfitted with a motor was mistakenly brought to the pits. ' << l0lz
mircea_popescu: of course, there a motor is EXPECTED
asciilifeform: one would imagine, naively, that they would draw lots and pick one from a set, like dueling pistols
asciilifeform: i always thought it was peculiar that the bike folk get to use own machines
asciilifeform: 'cheas as much as humanly possible, then in your wolf form, cheat moar!111'
asciilifeform: in others, it was based on clinometer, i think
asciilifeform: they had concealed switch in handlebar.
asciilifeform: apparently nobody expected thermovisor.
mircea_popescu: how's the gearing done ?
asciilifeform: with very thin shaft leading through where the pedals mount
asciilifeform: others - thin, long motor in ~shaft~ of bike
asciilifeform: at least 2 had the magnetized wheel arrangement
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, the bicycle cheat thing apparently has been a crackpot hypothesis for ~years, 'mechanical doping', and it has come out ~how~ it was done
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, trb has been up for 100+ consecutive dayz there.
mircea_popescu: yeah i ditched them a while back
mircea_popescu: so nice to have the btcalpha quality links bakc.
mircea_popescu: ima stop spamming the log.
mircea_popescu: they must
asciilifeform: betcha these overflow on some godforsaken winblowz pseudopgptron.
mircea_popescu: but there's some pretty large ones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very difficult to say exact theta.
mircea_popescu: given X as the total count of moduli bytes, what is the formula to extract the time for ideal machine running ideal algo
mircea_popescu: remind me of the complexity calculation for this ?
asciilifeform: it is heuristically walking the mods
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: realize that the thing isn't actually phuctoring in the traditional sense atm
asciilifeform: well there will be round 2, with an sks dump that isn't circa 2014.
asciilifeform: all at once, as tree, rather than 1 at a time.
asciilifeform: plan is i revv up the engine some time late tomorrow.
asciilifeform: ah the product
mircea_popescu: at least cache the thing and update it periodically.
mircea_popescu: schmucks to the last man.
mircea_popescu: the "community" is entirely irrelevantly silent.
mircea_popescu: i find it particularly concerning that at the one point in history science fiction need not to any degree and in any sense mean future
mircea_popescu: with an ex uni rector shooting cannon rounds at the duma
mircea_popescu: imagine - as a plot for a very cool sfish thing - that real-world 1984 SU actually had bitcoin invented by one of the guys there, and the cause of the collapse was the fight between the intellectuals and the bolsheviks
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 2nd batch of keyz loading in.
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm fuckign thankful the obedient horde country collapses already.