asciilifeform: also why spurious pretense ? it isn't as if they actually ~need~ 50 cut-throats with machine guns and grappling hooks, grenades, to corral a murdock
mircea_popescu: one reason or another = tried to fly ?
asciilifeform: i've met 'civilized' folk who, for one reason or another, got 'policed' and were surprised
asciilifeform: but yes, fact, when police are called in usaschwitz they come with the violent monkeyman handling equipment and procedure
mircea_popescu: "maybe the bird dropped its battery"
asciilifeform: didn't even realize until i saw the battery, the only thing the blade could not powder easily, lying about
mircea_popescu: there's no "had to". when i accidentally ran my lawn mower over one of my thyme bushes, it wasn't that I HAD TO cut the thyme with large rapidly rotating blades.
mircea_popescu: ftr, we know of the rabbit's misbehaviour from the fox's pretense. not even bothered to go on the record, that fox.
mircea_popescu: well, good for you then, careful not to live where ian murdock used to ?
mircea_popescu: and notice the trend, with stuff like obamacare, also :D
asciilifeform: well mircea_popescu did say 'nothing's ever fitting TO them'
mircea_popescu: the point is control.
mircea_popescu: and you're the first one to say "rich".
mircea_popescu: phf if this is hacking btw... the girl i fucked this morning is a space shuttle.
asciilifeform: re suits, lulzy, i'm about to have the metal anvil in my 'model f' chromed, now i anticipate q 'where in motorcycle does this weird thing with holes go'
mircea_popescu: i guess this reduces to a version of the marx sense, except exactly the one he didn't like.
mircea_popescu: so you know, guy who no-one knows, who'd damned better fit in, because nothing's ever fitting TO them. which is why all this spamolade in various flavours is so appealing to them.
mircea_popescu: (literally, this, by the way - many years ago back in cluj the local suit factory ACTUALLY made their suits after me.)
phf: i actually briefly worked for a guy who bought a bugati from facebook ads, and while i was there, was doing primarily "skin your facebook" internet explorer plugin, that would replace all ads with own versions. if be$$al$$ the goal...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alone in the sense of fitting, how shall we put this... my shoes are made for my foot. their shoes are copied from my shoe.
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mircea_popescu: wtf was it called, back in the day reddit was ~child porn and digg ruled the same space.
mircea_popescu: phf hey, there was a one quarter back years ago when this one guy made an absolute killing from some sort of "new up and coming" thing that did a social media skin over blind clicking.
phf: could go "girls, sorority, 17-22, dc area, blah blah" and literally send them bulk message there and then
asciilifeform: or is it in the 'alienation' of marx sense
asciilifeform: isn't there whole anthill of'em?
asciilifeform: how are they alone ?
mircea_popescu: social classes, on the web.
phf: there was a period when facebook ads were fantastic for event promotion in the same literotica/okcupid way, but without hacking
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever clicked an ad either. nowadays we have the terminology to properly formalize this : people who are so low on the wot scale of things they're used to being forever alone can not by that very fact possibly have the sort of social clout that'd allow them to control enough resources that'd make anything we care about relevant to them.
asciilifeform: the robot thing was quite educational for asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: there was an 'inexplicable' scarcity of redditards with 300k robot
asciilifeform: they had to also set fire to'em and piss
asciilifeform: as if the ads were not worthless enough
asciilifeform: from the ad
mircea_popescu: by now facebook is running the same scam for a new generation of idiots, with ~ the same results.
mircea_popescu: supposedly google ads perfect for this purpose. in theory, of course. practice....
asciilifeform: then again i was pushing a proggy for which total theoretical maximum install base could have been 500 people.
mircea_popescu: or , for that matter, these days i guess huh.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-26 13:34 mircea_popescu: oh right, and in this morning's "allow me to bother you" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5944aba2ae71db259875d9be326d6505/tumblr_nqnb041YLK1uv50iuo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider, again, very openly public item : http://trilema.com/2014/the-sex-lives-of-other-people/#comment-117126
mircea_popescu: nobody ever went broke overestimating the idiocy of the consumer. kinda why the whole charaqde has to end, idle, disinterested, ignorant stupidity on such scale can scarcely be maintained.
mircea_popescu: "what's the bargain, i lube up and you fuck me raw ?" "ayup" "where's my pen!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, people also talk to the police!
phf: i emailed spammers in the 90s :D
mircea_popescu: people chatting them up like nobody's business.
asciilifeform: i'm still not convinced that anyone clicks on ads, other than by accident
mircea_popescu: ha! it should be exact equivalent : you know what the site sells (or it should).
phf: cept there's no concrete knowledge of fish, or behaviors, it's all reading tea leaves
phf: what you're saying correlates to what i heard, i don't have an opinion because it always seemed like dark magic to me. i've never clicked on ads, and have hard time groking a person who would. but there's also a disconnect of sorts. i understand literotica hack, it is in some ways similar to okcupid hack, it's a cold call, where you have some idea who's the person on the other side, and you just do it in bulk. online ads seem more like fishing, ex
mircea_popescu: try to match the results with ~any sort of online advertising approach and then we can compare what writing ten lines of bash costs vs whatever "online campaign management" set you back. lel.
mircea_popescu: and to top the irony cake - exploit traffic beats the socks off anything anyone can buy. take the very openly public literotica thing as an example, it got clicked in the 1.5% range! like it's 1996 all over again! and people comment and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: unthinkable back in the enchanted 2000, when ~any paysite had 10k pageviews and 10k revenue or 100k pageviews and 100k revenue, scaling 1:1 like glued together.
mircea_popescu: by now google is pushing for 10-25 cent clicks as a minimum, but not only are clickthroughs way down there under 0.1%, cpa/ctr relation is entirely broken. get ten million clicks and sell two garden gnomes.
mircea_popescu: part of it, of course, being that they're caught in the trap "online media" sites were caught a decade prior. back in 2005 google ads were sought out because the yahoo wannabe yahoos had ridoinculous shit like "80 bux cpm" in their "sheets", while ctrs were dropping through the 1% floor.
mircea_popescu: back in 2005 everyone i knew bought google, and getting banned was like suicide. then in 2010 the lazier / older bought and the younger wolves were moving on. last year [when i was doing eulora marketing] i couldn't find anyone i knew who bought google ads.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to have low margins, where you can barely justify the equipment and workforce. it's another to have no market.
phf: i thought for a while, that google makes most of its income (including things like tax breaks and protectorate) through bulk data sale and access, and ads is just a quaint misdirection. anecdotally from people in the affiliate marketing and such circles, the margins on google ads and the profits are so low and have been for about two years now to suspect whole thing of a lie
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would an advertiser pay for this i have no idea, but teh google is mining it to the hilt. and i suspect they're either going to get usg payola or start reporting ever-worsening quarters because they moneyz just isn't there anymore.)
mircea_popescu: (they're in total lulzy overdrive, by the way. system with nothing but a certain webhost cookie got shown adds for THAT webhost 975 times / 1000 and 25 times to other webhosts ; then with consumer interest single cookie (waldorf astoria) got shown 1000/1000 waldorf astoria ads.
phf: in other news of interest probably only to ben_vulpes, homebrew is now reporting any command you run or package you install to google analytics unless you opt-out by setting HOMEBREW_NO_ANALYTICS. this useful feature was brought to you by this fuck https://github.com/mikemcquaid, Mike McQuaid, who looks exactly like you'd imagine this kind of fuck to look.
mircea_popescu: 2008 to 2016 is 8 years, ie, more than the "cumulative experience" of pretty much every "online team"
mircea_popescu: anyway, this anecdote certainly gives a good trashing to the whole "gotta upgrade" blabla. why, for "security" ? glhf, the log's chock full of lolz @wp blogs. for what, "looks" ? yarly, i've yet to see that many better looking blogs.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, trilema prolly takes the cake for longevity - it's running "You are using WordPress 2.7. Please Update." bolted shut back in 2008. notwithstanding ~numerous~ attempts, never been owned, either.
phf: flask is not standalone though, it's a wsgi service, which in turn is a python standard for doing "web application". there are competing servers for wsgi, uwsgi being most popular. i actually had to patch it for my work production, and it's not a fits in head by any means
mircea_popescu: yeah me either. jus' a stray thought, fully argued i'd say.
phf: i'm just being a silly, i don't have a strong opinion until i see further direction taken
mircea_popescu: anyway, the other point being that there's no requirement for any actual heavy lifting work be done - take flask, read through it once, snip idiocies, put it in v and voila, official tmsr boost.
mircea_popescu: different topics here tho. standard of behaviour is one thing ; standard of tools is another. a good set of standard tools is what allows variance of behaviour.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 21:18 mircea_popescu: recall that the strength of the wot comes specifically from there not being a standard of behaviour.
mircea_popescu: anyway. tis true the web is not terribruy high priority. it's also true we use it lots.
mircea_popescu: no but by now this jus' keeps growing, and the solutions are exactly that. trilema runs on an ancient thing called "wordpress". etc.
mircea_popescu: well the other thing is that a guy who can do a spiffy web framework couldn't necessarily do gpg arcana or c++ nonsense in bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: course, at some point if 12 people bring up and then maintain sites,
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mike_c: I don't think so. our time would be better spent on gpg than yet another web framework
mike_c: yeah. it's in progress. I started doing it but had to deal with a couple other things. I de-crufted btcalpha and killed half the site (bitbet gone, etc). now i'm halfway through a web framework upgrade which is going to make adding the new wot browser easier.
mircea_popescu: did the sql thing ever get off teh ground ?
mike_c: I don't have my keys on me.. so btcalpha will be dead for the next 10 hours. There goes my uptime stats.
mircea_popescu: notably enough, this does not mean the converse (ie, that 44% are seen for over 5 seconds). it just means that we know for a fact 56% of online advertising budgets are wasted ; the remainder are also wasted but that fact not so easily known.
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated news from 2012 : "By measuring the statistics of more than 1.5 billion ad impressions per day, it was possible to understand deeply how different websites perform. Some of the high level results: 38% of the ads are never in view to a user 50% of the ads are in view for less than 0.5 seconds 56% of the ads are in view for less than 5 seconds"
mike_c: oh, the whole thing is down
shinohai: I see vexual has been indulging in the Foster's again.
mircea_popescu: oh right, and in this morning's "allow me to bother you" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5944aba2ae71db259875d9be326d6505/tumblr_nqnb041YLK1uv50iuo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would EVER want a cache for passwd calls omfg.
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mircea_popescu: and in other fucking crazy,
mircea_popescu: and in other puns, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/born-sissy-maid.jpg
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How boys become men, or don’t: then and now. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/25/how-boys-become-men-or-dont-then-and-now/
mircea_popescu: apparently, the eggs can very well be sorbet.
asciilifeform: wat is happening in there
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/e5082be5748a489f937740fd128869a5/tumblr_o5yv1hAO3b1tcc457o6_400.gif
asciilifeform: wouldntcha like to know what ~they~ used.
asciilifeform: (somebody - mircea_popescu ? - suggested dumping ssh in there etc)
asciilifeform: i try to keep thingz simple. but yeah, after i'm satisfied that the rest works
asciilifeform: motherfuckin' decimal's worthless
asciilifeform: 'Public Exponent 44942328371557897693232629769725618340449424473557664318357520289433168951375240783177119330601884005280028469967848339414697442203604155623211857659868531094441973356216371319075554900311523529863270738021251442209537670585615720368478277635206809290837627671146574559986811484619929076208839082406056034307 is NOT PRIME !' << i'd like to pin down JUST ONE of these schmucks and connect him to the mains & find out what
asciilifeform: i've been actually piling these up in a special archive for when i have new parser.
mircea_popescu: hey, at least the girl scouts get oral sex badges. progrss!
BingoBoingo: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/04/15/the-boy-scouts-of-america-then-and-now-a-comparison-of-the-1911-and-modern-handbooks-and-merit-badges/
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pete_dushenski: fueled by that killer dice debate, i'm off to the races gents. bon soir a tous!
asciilifeform: (waveform left as exercise for the reader)
asciilifeform: a more interesting imho variant of this experiment is to have the device ~block~ the signal to balls, during normal fucktion
mircea_popescu: this WAS the whole point.
asciilifeform: also iirc the sensation is distinctly unorgasmic, yer balls just empty & thatsit
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, would prolly be a selling point. "100 orgasms, then your genitals fall off"
mircea_popescu: i don't think tissue damage is a drawback for the practitioners.
asciilifeform: (if there is ~any~ dc component, you also get, electrolytically, hcl at the interface, nasty)
asciilifeform: the downer re electrical toys is nearly always contact burn
mircea_popescu: uh not everything's on the internets
mircea_popescu: i never looked into the matter that deeply!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how the hell do you get current through prostate that way
mircea_popescu: once mistress gets tired of taking off the chastity device now and again, there's this special electrified insert, stimulates teh prostate, instaorgasm and move on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, for the male slave boi this is actually true ?
asciilifeform: i hear itsthel4t3st
mircea_popescu: aesthetics is permitted, even in geekdom.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't have issue with people using slide rule. i'm reacting to people who are buying slide rules on ebay, because it's the cool retro computational device
mircea_popescu: recall that the strength of the wot comes specifically from there not being a standard of behaviour.
mircea_popescu: sure, an argument could be brought that "hey, even blocking /random is faster than dice". maybe. then consider machines that do not have a rng at all, such as pogo. maybe they want pws too. etc.
mircea_popescu: iirc that was in the logs.
mircea_popescu: and i can't blame the man who doesn't trust /urandom
phf: from perspective of general education, it's better hygiene where there wasn't any before. i'm more questioning people who use diceware because they don't trust own /dev/random
mircea_popescu: hey, at least they got 2fa.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing wrong with man carrying his water skin in plagued venice. "but where does the water in it come from"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta what i was reacting against - the view that dice solve an otherwise rotten environ
mircea_popescu: moreover, i'd say 99% of the people making passwords by throwing dice don't have dd or | on the system, because they're stuck on winblowz.
asciilifeform: and - quite possibly - anyone with an audio track of the room has also some.
asciilifeform: (one of which, that has not so far been stated here, is that anyone with optical view of the room has your bits.)
asciilifeform: it is not that i wish to discourage folks from throwing dice, or dartboard, etc. but that they ought to be aware of the limitations.
phf: but if the question is about other people, then there's a trust slice that is manifest on the system. the kind of person who trusts his os x, should also trust the password generator on it. kind of person who downloads random online apps by some criteria, would be able to apply same criteria to selecting a password generator/manager
mircea_popescu: i do not agree with this theory.
phf: a dice rng is "defective design". it's all over the place, low tech solution right in the middle of high tech stack. can't make one at home, since bias. wouldn't really make key by hand either. any optimizations turn to logical "why not flip electrons instead". i've noticed the tendency though, friend told me that he's generating work passwords with dicewear
asciilifeform: enemy can only learn something from a worn rng if the owner himself had no way to meaningfully measure wear.
asciilifeform: reason being that these cannot be health-tested with any regularity.
mircea_popescu: the problem of discards is not well solved to date.
asciilifeform: (and the entirely independent laserless cheat machine that used pure stats, in a shoe)
asciilifeform: and i suppose everyone recalls the roulette laser.
asciilifeform: other interesting question, imho, re any rng, is - how much does enemy learn if he captures it
jurov: well, if someone generates their keys with pre-worn dice and tumbler supplied by enemy and strictly following instructions on the tumbler...
phf: it came up in the logs before
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not entirely a virgin field. there is even a special tumbler for this process.
mircea_popescu: and then throw it on a magnetic field
mircea_popescu: still, one really dedicated could create glass dice and sharpen the edge by the same process used to make the few-hundre-atom thick blades they use to cut microscope samples with
mircea_popescu: but they do not wear in a predictible fashion
jurov: if it's like 20% as i wrote above, then it's still fine, no?
mircea_popescu: if the dice is biased.
mircea_popescu: it's unclear to me exactly how not electronic they are.
asciilifeform: the other thing is, i have found that dice appeal to folks because 'not electronic', but these same people then go and generate, e.g., the key, with a computer...
asciilifeform: that's the notion
asciilifeform: (how much entropy is there actually in a dice throw.)
asciilifeform: jurov: ask the opposite question.
mircea_popescu: there's a mathematical solution to "what is the probability of x specific configuration come out of y random process of given probabilities"
asciilifeform: there is NOT a bound.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for the truly daft, what do you mean by 'debiasing' ?
asciilifeform: but how about the k-value in sigs ?
asciilifeform: i can see generating, e.g., bitcoin private key (though do you have the stomach for the debiasing? what if you need 1,000 rolls?)
asciilifeform: i admit that i'm a little curious re the widespread interest in dice
pete_dushenski: anyone here have experience physical rolling dice a lot ? wondering how many times you rolled a set of 5 before you have sufficient confidence in their fairness. obviously, there's no absolute answer to this inquest, just curious if anyone has bothered or if 'casino dice' are considered sufficient precaution.
pete_dushenski: 'As a Walgreens cashier explains, “It’s easy to sell on the street. Everyone uses soap.”'
asciilifeform: the tide thing aha
pete_dushenski: http://priceonomics.com/why-thieves-steal-soap/ << because americans are soooo poor they can barely afford rain buckets to bathe in.
pete_dushenski: actually, come to think of it, i think girl had these ballz, or similar, during pregnancy. big fan.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the first time i saw the chinese ballz, i thought that this is what they were sold for !
mircea_popescu: and pete_dushenski has a point : how many girlies did you stuff with pairs of 'em and then made do squats ?
pete_dushenski: minus the chimes
asciilifeform: they were a big large
pete_dushenski: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71nKwu2REIL._SX522_.jpg << anyone remember these as a kid ? hilariously entertaining rube goldberg-style marble toy
mircea_popescu: it still loads the server, but w/e.
pete_dushenski: sort of like how kako had permalinks at the top to wiki, stats, logs, search, etc.
pete_dushenski: but to go back to the most recent logs, there's no direct link at the top of the page
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: in my little refuge within a bubble within a refuge, we're just booming despite the oil glut
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes notice that the "whatsap" bullshit that laundered 2bn of facebook's "money" is not on the list. somehow.
pete_dushenski: phf: loving the new search. think you could add a button or link back to the logs so i don't have to diddle the url every time ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 22:14 BingoBoingo: Yeah, Pete prolly would have archived the old bets by nao.
trinque: WHY THE UNICORN FINANCING MARKET JUST BECAME DANGEROUS…FOR ALL INVOLVED << sorry, cannot go on
ben_vulpes: oh god the lulz don't stop
ben_vulpes: http://abovethecrowd.com/2016/04/21/on-the-road-to-recap/ << don't call it a pooooonziiiiiiiii
ben_vulpes: p. much the only sane design
diana_coman: otherwise maybe "let it be" but it's still stronger
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything. <- not as directly, no. Possibly something like "it might work," lol
trinque: back in a moment with the case-sensitivity fix
mircea_popescu: it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything.
mircea_popescu: all the english versions are much too spirited, drop it, leave it, straight whiskey to its very mellow cider quality.
mircea_popescu: mebbe. it's very metaphysically flat tho, like the world's all flat.
phf: make them cary avoskas to stores
mircea_popescu: phf i have shopping slaves. SO THERE!
asciilifeform: they were cloth
mircea_popescu: the maybekushka
asciilifeform: over here in the land of mcphreeeedom we have plastic bagz where you put ONE potato and it sags through...
mircea_popescu: this country is too fucking cheap to exist, yet if you talk to the inhabitants you'd think they all hail from the fucking oceanside beaches of southern california.
mircea_popescu: when it decides to fucking split at the seam and now i have raisined kitchen floor ;/
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
jurov: yes eulora server was kinda low mark. then it improved
mircea_popescu: education being obviously the exact opposite of trolling.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i think i'm coming to an actually correct definition of trolling. trolling is the act of providing needed context separated from the message, in a place where the naive reader (who most needs it) is least likely to find or recognize it.
mircea_popescu: and in other "let's see who we can piss off today" news, http://trilema.com/2014/the-sex-lives-of-other-people/#comment-117117
phf: ah the crafty double dis
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: i want to know, in what sewer was born the rat who thought it was acceptable to break lines on nonwhitespace characters.
jurov: mircea_popescu: mpex accepts orders but won't execute them. some are waiting over 12 hours
mod6: And here's the output correct, with the ticket types appended to the top: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bdf52f96-6e9f-4713-a432-f97e73533a37/
mod6: ok, im a moron, i had my print statements backwards. Here's the updated perl: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c704e406-8cfe-461a-ac89-4e66e8328d98/ And the ticket file againhttp://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f7592a15-0f9a-4b8e-b784-9df595e343d9/
mircea_popescu: in other news lovecraft is perhaps the most bombastically incompetent and pompously ungifted literary critic i ever read.
mircea_popescu: anyway, uses the 35 e for a ssh key.
mircea_popescu: via phuctor we find that 43-1.org is a thing. then we discover that https://www.43-1.org/~ansgar/apt/
mod6: Hahaha, some optimism in there :]
mod6: I'm not sure if that was the correct approach, but it "felt right" when I was making that choice.
mod6: On a more philosophical level, I did leave off the idea of ticket 'assignment', simply because I didn't want contributors to not think about a ticket just because their name/keyid isn't assigned to the ticket.
mod6: But, just wanted to give everyone a first look at what is possible here. Please let me know if there is problems or glaring oversights, etc. Thanks in advance.
mod6: I'm gonna keep putting some more thigns in there, it's just something I've been playing with since like Friday.
mod6: Yes Sir. Sounds like a decent plan there.
mircea_popescu: except if you spew it on www, everyone can see the svgs
mod6: and dot files for svg graphs, but if you want to run this, you need "Graph::Easy" installed. It won't effect you if you don't hvae this installed, unless you try to run the graphing tools - just like V.
mod6: was thinking about collaborating somehow with deedbot to make it update the new wiki somehow.
mod6: then it'll print out the full list of tickets. if you run `./t.pl` it'll print out the other available commands. such as "add" "rm" or "edit", inwhich a person can do that, change their own list, sign it, and send it to the ML or whatever for review.
mircea_popescu: yeah, ok, this is just the ticket, so to speak.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i'm getting there. I'll try to add that soon.
mod6: Hey all, so I wanted to not only make a list of objectives as we discussed around the 15th, I wanted to also design a very simple ticket system so we can not only have tickets, but perhaps a roadmap with dependencies. I.e. in the way that you have a larger ticket with dependent subtickets. This could help round out a road map to larger 'sagas' like for this july, and 'ideal bitcoin'.
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as genuine neglect. not that i'm proposing it has bearing.
ben_vulpes: wife should be well occupied with children and drive-by-rodgerings, and if children are a burden american should have neither c nor w