mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mod6: the baked-in presumption of webtardism is almost insulting << it is insulting, not to us though. think about it : the crab has pincers because in its environment THAT WORKS ; and so does "GET /blog/blog-config.php~".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (does everybody understand why scintillator ~fiber~ is neat, while the commonly-available scintillating plastic blocks are nearly useless for rng ?) << essentially, quantum antenna.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (and happily detect, e.g., neutron flux) << it undermines peace you see. for some definitions of peace which reduces to "usg makes all the war"
mircea_popescu: phf : could a111 answer to !s "string", on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=string ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 03:37 BingoBoingo: The amazing load bearing capacity of the human spine brought to you by Beyonce https://i.sli.mg/gdOUR5.png
ben_vulpes: jurov now has the (enviable?) privilege of determining the likelihood that the call will be exercised, and adjusting his reserves accordingly.
ben_vulpes: but this is all kind of moot, because at the end of the day, jurov is simply on the hook for princessnell's shares, should someone with her key ever come along to claim them.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-30 23:47 hanbot: <jurov> and re:holding s.qntr your concerns are misplaced. No one expressly forbade me to flip/short/margin/whrtever them, then there was gracious donation from princessnell who lost her key cand could not think of any way how to prove her identity otherwise, etc... << err, if "she" lost her key, how'd she prove it was her that lost it?
BingoBoingo: The amazing load bearing capacity of the human spine brought to you by Beyonce https://i.sli.mg/gdOUR5.png
asciilifeform: mod6: the baked-in presumption of webtardism is almost insulting
mod6: someone is knockin on all the doors alf
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaand here's the sorta folk who are hogging the goodz, and hear from their own mouth why: http://www.nucsafe.com/cms/Why+Neutrons/51.html
asciilifeform: (does everybody understand why scintillator ~fiber~ is neat, while the commonly-available scintillating plastic blocks are nearly useless for rng ?)
asciilifeform: usg would rather that folks did not have cheap, low-power geigerz that never wear out
asciilifeform: an inquiry from you, and we may not be able to accept some inquiries depending on the end user and application...'
asciilifeform: 'The scintillating fiber is assigned in article 1 of the Export Trade Control Order as undermining the maintenance of international peace and safety. To export this item, an approval of the Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry of Japan is required, so we need to confirm the end user and application for each sales. We may sell the fibers to you, but we would have to check and confirm the end user and application everytime we have
asciilifeform: in yet other lelz,
asciilifeform: 'By 1960... Shannon had retreated. He no longer participated much in the field that he had created, publishing only rarely.'
asciilifeform: in other l0ltr0n1cs, http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/claude-shannon-the-father-of-the-information-age-turns-1100100
mircea_popescu: yawell... we got the rss and so on. dun sweat it.
asciilifeform: quite the difference!1111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i posit that the mesh vibrator thing is ~= throwing dice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually that's the test for good fiber
asciilifeform: 'some sort of noise' is very low bar, actual battlefield rng needs a number of other properties (chiefly, difficulty for the enemy in influencing or predicting the output)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 00:57 mircea_popescu: the result will be some sort of noise.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1459921 << this setup is equivalent to microphone (the only random element is the vibration of the meshes)
asciilifeform: (they need hv source, which in turn requires oscillator, which introduces nonrandom signal component; ~and~ tube wears with time)
asciilifeform: pretty much solves the problems from which i refused to use geiger tube in my rng
mircea_popescu: the principal source of natural rads.
mircea_popescu: you can also buy a g-m counter, they're not terribly expensive, lay it on some ceramic tile or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: the result will be some sort of noise.
mircea_popescu: well, you take a mouse apart, and stick a bunch of layers of tight netting in between the light and the detector element.
asciilifeform: ^ not 'mirrored' either!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> by now the phuctor rss is actually a major reason to watch this chan. i have nfi how one could be "in crypto/compsec/sysadmin" and NOT want to see the key holes in real time. << the congressional record is reason enough; but with broadcasted ass fuckings, all the more reason indeed Sir.
mod6: <+adlai> mod6: and i say this with greatest regard for alf, but i will probably get more "12step" mileage out of your T-shirt (of the hair variety, sadly, but trimmer than orgmode!) than trb and phuctor, combined << wut? you lost me there amigo.
hanbot: i wouldn't be at all surprised if w/e tranquil pools of the republic are rippled with social engineering attempts
hanbot: <jurov> and re:holding s.qntr your concerns are misplaced. No one expressly forbade me to flip/short/margin/whrtever them, then there was gracious donation from princessnell who lost her key cand could not think of any way how to prove her identity otherwise, etc... << err, if "she" lost her key, how'd she prove it was her that lost it?
mircea_popescu: and in vaguely interesting news, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y02/046-google-is-making-you-stupid.html
mircea_popescu: soon things will be "the phuctor of dating" etc.
jurov: shinohai: looks like need some clarification wrt the line-up?
mircea_popescu: to the broker, logically.
jurov: and re:holding s.qntr your concerns are misplaced. No one expressly forbade me to flip/short/margin/whrtever them, then there was gracious donation from princessnell who lost her key cand could not think of any way how to prove her identity otherwise, etc...
jurov: and iirc i have asked BingoBoingo about what is so exceptional on my service, he was like "as compared to anything in the US"
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> in their defense, the fee to propose an entrant is ~80 bitcents rather than 50 bitcoin. << i lolled
mircea_popescu: "you may call your socialism anything you wish including anarchism for as long as the allequal principle is not molested" hurr.
mircea_popescu: also lolz at the wikipedia-sanitized version of anarchism, reinterpreted as variations of the "golden rule" brand. ya i'm sure, and cars are a sort of Ford amirite. vivat intellectual property!
mircea_popescu: 3. make them live to their book of rules. if you also have a book of rules you lose.
mircea_popescu: 2. never go outside the expertise of your wot ; always go outside the expertise of enemy's.
mircea_popescu: for a strict recap : 1. power is not just what you have, but also what the enemy thinks you have. arbitrage every difference, to your benefit. punish the enemy ruthlessly when it dares challenge the latter part, chinese or no chinese, cartel or no cartel.
mircea_popescu: recall teh what-s-his-name derp. "personalize". mp is immune from personalization ; the uscongress is not. exploit this difference, thus therefore "is considering changing" rathert than "is considering changes to". first rhymes with "taking a crap into" way the fuck better.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "is considering changing a number of rule changes to the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure" > is considering changing the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure
mircea_popescu: hey, it's hard to argue that mulatto kids look always better than their black parent and about half the time better than the white one too.
mircea_popescu: and generally methinks the official view going forward should be that a) magistrate "judges" are in no sense and to no degree different from police detectives and b) no valid authority is vested in them. as teh beast will perforce find itself more and more dependent and reliant on their offices, helps to have the message out first.
mircea_popescu: "Neatly mirroring the decaying implementation of Justice in the Soviet Union fifty years prior, The United States Congress is considering changing a number of rule changes to the Federal Rules of"
mircea_popescu: in their defense, the fee to propose an entrant is ~80 bitcents rather than 50 bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: THE INTERNETS
a111: Logged on 2016-04-30 03:37 adlai: danielpbarron: what do you have to say about the 12step meme's appropriation of your memeplex in step 1? (and its appropriation of bb's brain, but that's another matter, and better memes than liquor dreams)
a111: Logged on 2016-01-20 04:34 danielpbarron: http://www.atruechurch.info/aa.html >> A.A. admits they have no cure, but that's because they are under the delusion that there isn't one.
mircea_popescu: think about it #2 : chinese man outraged that 80km ride in ambulance cost almost half the average nat'l wage.
mircea_popescu: think about that, 3 bucks a km IN THE AMBULANCE.
adlai: sk has the surgery polarization correct
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: there's that eh
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321117 << fwiw http://deedbot.org/deed-375398-2.txt is a prototype for upcoming RFC, "proof by example of the key revocation protocol"
mircea_popescu: the difference between venezuela and argentina is ~20 years.
pete_dushenski: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/zero-minutes-of-fame/nnagcddidgaecaalfhpcnkofldafahce << for all the chrome using ostriches
pete_dushenski: i get called a jerk and asshole all the time, but not twat much
a111: Logged on 2016-04-30 04:10 trinque: after I kick cigs I'll be fit to sow the lord's blessed seed at a mormon temple
pete_dushenski: but further supporting the unique brand of lunacy in the southern half of the americas are quotes like this, which displays magnitudes of sales volume fluctuation unseen anywhere else on the planet : "Outsold by Chevrolet in January, Volkswagen reclaims the top spot this month with 8.359 sales and 17.5% share but is up just 3% vs. +64% for Chevrolet at 8.253 units and 17.3%."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i'm right here, no need to sic the dogs after me
a111: Logged on 2016-04-29 01:03 mircea_popescu: they also believe "de lujo" means 60k crap from the us, fucking ford fiestas and whatnit
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459133 << the only place i'd previously heard of the retardendo locals doing this is venezuela.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/28/for-some-embarrassment-is-rare-for-some-its-sous-vide/#comment-45668 << you schadenfreuded ? ~i~ think i broke new psychohistorical ground by schadenfreuding myself! it was like watching a train wreck in slow motion and it was like i was trying to laugh myself to death before the impact took all the glory
a111: Logged on 2016-04-30 01:55 ben_vulpes: i'll probably be even less communicative than i've been for the next month or two
a111: Logged on 2016-04-30 01:12 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html
trinque: after I kick cigs I'll be fit to sow the lord's blessed seed at a mormon temple
trinque: adlai: where's the suicide note deed? was that one of your poems?
BingoBoingo: But then hao does jurov get paid? If no one pays for anything we're just a bunch of fucking hippies
adlai: asciilifeform: fwiw jurov holds my qntra shares in indefinite custody until they are enough to cover coinbr fees
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun have a coinbr acct either, for reasons discussed in agonizing detail in the logz
adlai assumes desired "8ball" is a C 'script' / patch to upcoming 'werker', rather than web spider + sudden submission?
adlai: damnit there are more logs than altcoins! body was on a diet of group therapy, olanzapine, and windows for a ~month. have no sympathy but at least wait with the penance!
asciilifeform: adlai: read the bloody l0gz
asciilifeform: adlai: realize that the whole 1.7m mods get phuctored in ~800 sec.
adlai: amazing how you deed a premature suicide note and everybody gets all "ohnoes, wait a few years and then go out with a bang"
mircea_popescu: by now the phuctor rss is actually a major reason to watch this chan. i have nfi how one could be "in crypto/compsec/sysadmin" and NOT want to see the key holes in real time.
adlai: ahh. and the psych lady said to wait for step 30!
adlai: mod6: and i say this with greatest regard for alf, but i will probably get more "12step" mileage out of your T-shirt (of the hair variety, sadly, but trimmer than orgmode!) than trb and phuctor, combined
adlai: danielpbarron: what do you have to say about the 12step meme's appropriation of your memeplex in step 1? (and its appropriation of bb's brain, but that's another matter, and better memes than liquor dreams)
mircea_popescu: lol at bitstamp spamming their derpy "we're licensed" news. a) it's not fucking important ; b) stop spamming already omfg.
mircea_popescu: such lazy only the rich display.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You know, you could have arranged that same number of words into a paragraph wrapped the paste in blockquotes and just submitted this amount of information as a qntra piece yourself? Y U LEAVE VALUE ON THE TABLE
asciilifeform: https://theintercept.com/2016/04/28/supreme-court-gives-fbi-more-hacking-power << lelzy re earlier link
mircea_popescu: which is why all the "get people to sign" is so paramount to the whole activity of usg thuggery.
mircea_popescu: magistrate "judge" still has NO authority but by consent of the parties.
mircea_popescu: hey, you still have to pay tax in the way and for the reasons "in 1950". nothing changed.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lol BingoBoingo has quite the log for when he comes back huh. << Not so many lines, but so much information
asciilifeform: lation of 18 U.S.C. ยง 1030(a)(5), the media are protected computers that have been damaged without authorization and are located in five or more districts.'
asciilifeform: 'a magistrate judge with authority in any district where activities related to a crime may have occurred has authority to issue a warrant to use remote access to search electronic storage media and to seize or copy electronically stored information located within or outside that district if: (A) the district where the media or information is located has been concealed through technological means; or (B) in an investigation of a vio
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: and their key is a random turd.
asciilifeform: (new ones are still being pumped in from the old sks parse. about 200k left iirc)
asciilifeform: in other nyooz 2nd werker shot.
mircea_popescu: bleed the peasants, build steel mills is not actually a stalin idea.
mircea_popescu: but the specifics i mean.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it did not take necessarily a witte to notice where ru was headed if it did not industrialize (to same place as cn of the time)
mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo has quite the log for when he comes back huh.
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/theory << when you do that massaging, also perhaps add bernstein to theory page
asciilifeform: can put yer name in the userstring, become phamous!111111
asciilifeform: soooooo who wants to prepare the eightball
ben_vulpes: three weeks ago, "hey team, work looks slow for the forseeable future. everyone take fridays off!"
ben_vulpes: that apparently only i have a chance at getting out the door in time
ben_vulpes: i'll probably be even less communicative than i've been for the next month or two
asciilifeform: i prolly oughta get rid of the retest button, it is meaningless.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458577 << i'm moving tomorrow, but i'll work on it in the next week or so. it's in a backlog
asciilifeform: i'ma add the werker as hourly cron.
mircea_popescu: phf it's the whole bundle. see log, phuctor does whole 1,6mn batch in < 15 minutes now
mircea_popescu: o boy. them factors.
mircea_popescu: 250+ of these yes ?
mircea_popescu: soon i won't be able to tell the difference! that shit looks exactly like home.
shinohai: the plaintext output and phtml rock
mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ascii_ticket_graph.txt << dude this is epic... more and more of my native tools getting swallowed up by tmsr!
mod6: Hopefully will get some extra time tonight. Still gotta write up the SoBA for april. Eep!
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, countdown to phuctoringz!
mircea_popescu: mod6 could graph be vertical rather than horizontal alligned ?
mod6: you can use the same ticket file
mod6: oh, hrm, a few more changes, I think I fixed the graphs.
shinohai: nah still shows them all even if i add `pid`
mod6: something might be broken in there though, im currently trying to wrap up some clean up stuff right now.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 i cannot make t display a single ticket, only the whole lot. Plz advise.
asciilifeform: prolly the most recent leader to boil derps
mircea_popescu: for my own curiosity, does c. yarvin figure on the list of good citizens & old bolsheviks that were yehzov'd by stalinmp or notrly ?
asciilifeform: it was fundamentally the right idea but implemented with inconceivable degree of braindamage - and - at least in the last few yrs - by the Professionally Sad
asciilifeform: sorta why i followed the project for as long as i did
mircea_popescu: aha. tmsr might give the clown a 2nd lease on lyf.
mircea_popescu: we're under no obligation to tell the truth ; merely to keep impervious track of all the lies.
mircea_popescu: (the simple scheme above lulzily reduces to... mining!)
mircea_popescu: now enemy must gather more than k per $timeinterval units to eventually reach n.
asciilifeform: other observation is that extant hardware is very poorly suited to self-destruct (as in permanently losing bits on demand)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this then reduces to 'tamper-proof box'
asciilifeform: and if he does this for n of m, whatever the magic n, you've been undetectably owned
asciilifeform: enemy can simply record the bits passively from a captured node, unless the thing is a ~physical~ fort
mircea_popescu: the only, or at least the first guarantee P must make is that it will destroy itself before being subverted.
mircea_popescu: the tru braindamaged assumption is to assume everlasting life, like we're in heaven or some bs
mircea_popescu: defined like that, the problem is (i think) significantly more tractable.
mircea_popescu: the only important thing there really, is to offer 100% guarantee that sepukku rather than dishonor.
asciilifeform: rather than n-of-m net.
asciilifeform: now, none of said schemes work, but they are all built with braindamaged assumption
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit is that it is currently my day job, to test schemes for this.
asciilifeform: then it is called 'indistinguishable obfuscation'
asciilifeform: this is trivial until you also want the enemy to not be able to infer which token means, e.g., '+' in reasonable effort
mircea_popescu: the thing needed here is, "here's meaningless token X which really means 2 ; and here's meaningless token Y, which really means +, and here's meaningless token Z, which really means 2." and you respond with meaningless token K, which really is 4, and never know 2 or + or 4.
deedbot: shinohai rated trinque 1 at 3650630430 << Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo
adlai: the idea being, running pnodes as seemingly innocent processes on, say, aws/gce/etc?
mircea_popescu: adlai the thing needed here does not exist.
asciilifeform: as i understand, this is the ancient dream of 'run program nowhere at all but everywhere'
adlai: mircea_popescu: a comment - you mention homomorphic encryption with out qualifying part- or fully. the former exists! the latter...
mircea_popescu: no further governments, elections, civil or human rights or any of the jazz. got P ? shall be the whole of the law.
mircea_popescu: rubber bads on the clippers and all.
mircea_popescu: the whole point however is for any non-lord to be as incapable of action as lobsters at the market.
mircea_popescu: but in principle there's no reason each lord can't run his onw P, and even war with another's.
diana_coman: hm, I'm not sure I fully get it, gotta read it again with a clearer head, but so far: do I read that right that you are proposing in the end to trust the machine ?
mircea_popescu: wotgoo is the point.
adlai: in my utopifanfic, the first commandment is Thou Shalt Not Mine
asciilifeform: there was another project, which did go somewhere a bit, called 'owner free file system'
mircea_popescu: the rest is just fluff leading up to it.
mircea_popescu: the better part of P is where it starts doing its own mining bots.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally i will confess that your proposal, at least in so far as para#1, was actually the original point of my 'bitcoin in '06' thing
adlai: Unfortunately, there is, in our time of confusion and obscurity, another kind of a Jewish child: the child who is conspicuous by his absence from the Seder Service; the one who has no interest whatsoever in Torah and G???d's commandments... who is not even aware of the Seder, of the Exodus from Egypt and the subsequent revelation at Sinai. ... sounds like ferrante!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds rather indistinguishable from 9999 other general similar derpage from the pre-dot-com boom era. could just as well be the early scribblings of jimbo "i do children" wales.
adlai: (for the judaically challenged - http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1486118/jewish/The-Four-Children-Explained.htm )
adlai: mircea_popescu: i thought this was the one that didn't know how to shut up?
mircea_popescu: adlai the only odd thing here is why do you ask me "what happened to x" ? this isn't what #trilema is for. #trilema is for you telling me "here's what i did with X".
asciilifeform: adlai: i still have the bag full of esp8266
adlai got the ol' meshnet boner from that one
adlai: mircea_popescu: whatever happened to the gsm modems sucking power off dushenski-reject autos?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: but in our context the primorial has to take the shape of rsa key so the proggy can display it
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: the modulus of what you're referring to as 'eightball' is actually called a primorial in math literature
adlai: it's always just at the edge of my social circle, and frankly i should probably leave it there
adlai still awaits the fabled 8ball that'll keep him up all night doing euclid's algo by longhand
asciilifeform: (what i'm calling a synthetic 'rsa key' where modulus is product of 1st N primez)
asciilifeform: gotta make the 'eightball'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we can blast the thing nightly (or, perhaps even hourly..)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: factors appear to be correct superset of old. i'ma hook the thing up to live db tonight.
mircea_popescu: "here's a random publicity of the photo showing obama being fucked in the ass by donald trump (not pictured)"
mircea_popescu: such lulzy derpage. "Kim Jong Un is surrounded by weeping members of the Korean Children's Union. Some schoolgirls (not pictured) are picked from classrooms to join the so-called 'Pleasure Squad' that serves the country's elite"
mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, dude walks into a store on bucharest's poshiest street yesterday, pulls out a 10 inch blade and stabs a sales girl, heart and all. love story.
mircea_popescu: you gotta write the man a letter.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/28/for-some-embarrassment-is-rare-for-some-its-sous-vide/ << i lollered the healthly lol of schadenfreunde, for while i loathe the inept orcs i live among, it consoles me to read orcish adventures in the northern lands. you got some grammar issues in teh letter tho.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: doing another run with all 16 cpu
mircea_popescu: which is how the whole thing started.
mircea_popescu: the ensuing publicity made it worth ~100x what it was worth before, and made peter thiel a vague internet celebrity.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-29 01:00 mircea_popescu: so this schmuck is an "entrepreneur", whatever, typical socialist state constructed leech, like they have in ro ru us etc. a peter thiel (speaking of which, anyone actually recall the x.com thing ? which is how he became famous in the first place ?)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459124 << apparently no-one recalls the x.com thing ? back in the early days of the internet, an unknown derp made an "internet bank" which was promptly owned and lost some money.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i must have missed the memo redefining "modern" as shitpiss.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'strong' in the very bare bones sense in that it was a convo with someone who actually ~had~ the machine
punkman: maybe that is why all the ustards are always on "a call" or scheduling one?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: back when i was doing the robot thing, i (far too late) learned that we lost at least one strong lead solely on account of 'spam' filters.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sooner or later they figure out, some at least.
adlai: wait, isn't the goal of email to "inbox less"? i thought not getting mail was the whole point?
mircea_popescu: back when i was younger i'd actually crusade to get various "customers" to terminate the arrangement. worked about as well as anything involving teh consumertard works.
mircea_popescu: "business", as america understands the term.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the emai lthing is run 100% like a scam, with some periodicity some derpass "provider" or other randomly blacklists me, starts sending offers, waits 5-6 months or so for complaints to pile in, then un-blacklists me.
asciilifeform: was the only google business model !
adlai: isn't this basically the google business model?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point i actually had proof yahoo sold the content of inbox to spammers.
asciilifeform: '"unlike many other providers that automatically let through all mail from certain senders, making it possible for their messages to bypass spam filters, Gmail puts all senders through the same rigorous checks"'
mircea_popescu: seems to me b works exactly the same way for both services ; and a is irrelevant because you opted to go into blockhead mode as far as that goes.
jurov: yes a) is irrelevant b) pls reread. you can check why your *email* server onj your IP was blacklisted. you can't easily check what incapsula thinks about the same IP