asciilifeform: they are ~specific~ to fissiles.
mircea_popescu: by the time powerful entity sends ddos wave prior to dirty bombs, police's not a useful expense.
mircea_popescu: two people have an argument and one gets really angry, police can fix this. random derp gets overexcited tries to ship smoke detector shavings to ex gf's mother, police can fix this.
asciilifeform: the thing sorta implies organization definitionally.
asciilifeform: there are no hoodrats-cum-nukes.
mircea_popescu: not exactly. lafond makes this point, re the difference between a police force and a militia. you can't expect the police to protect you against organised violence. it works entirely and strictly for disorganised violence.
asciilifeform: point was that it is quite trivial, and the whole orchestra is a waste of dough.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementarily, anyone intending to mail in ze bomb will ddos the sensors prior
mircea_popescu: and in other partyvan news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/21222f1b753050b4e31f97c436e5d4eb/tumblr_o1phrw0oAT1trzasto1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: very much like, say, a trichinelosis detector. you ~want~ someone somewhere to have these, keep them well oiled and force manufacturers to burn any and all carcasses that come positive.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but even if tomorrow you're the king and queen of earth, you'll be stuck trying to control pu shipments, want it or not.
mircea_popescu: with grafitti it's more a matter of execution whether it is or it isn;t
BingoBoingo: Most ways of pricking the beast are sophmoric. Graffiti is sophmoric but they gotta spend to clean it up or they lose face.
BingoBoingo see more the inflicting costs angle. Gotta check out all those alarms.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the "information wants to be free" "legalize dope" etc angle, but i dunno what exactly is the idea. anyone seriously intending to administer anything will have a ban on moving plutonium around.
BingoBoingo: Drowning them in noise?
BingoBoingo: Not on front page yet, but if we all astroturf, they'll prolly surrender and run it.
asciilifeform: sooooo here's a thought. perhaps esp. for mircea_popescu. usg luuuvvvvvvs puttin' neutron alarms everywhere. but what if the ... other side... set off 100,001 of them at once, on day x, with, e.g., pocket farnsworth's devices?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: scored some of what appears to be the fiber from earlier thread from this fella. might come in handy at some point.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> indiana sunk him. << Aha, Rush Limbaugh is going to be very mournful tomorrow. He really tempered his Trump support these past few months after he helped birth this incarnation of the Clinton Monster.
mircea_popescu: https://ritetag.com/hashtag-stats/bitcoin << and speaking of data miners, check out the wot-esque graph they got going.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 01:44 mircea_popescu: and in other weirdulz : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b3bc985eb95ca3c742f4d53e84eb8d23/tumblr_n5hfdqE65J1ra163eo1_400.gif
Ciphertext: gotcha, had to read it twice to get it, then it clicked
mircea_popescu: Ciphertext please see http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ the final part.
Ciphertext: On the site http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored what does "Modulus has mirrored low order 32 bits mean?" Does that mean it basically is reflected, like for 8 bits 11011011 would be mirrored?
mod6: which is basically how we ended up with the entire shit-stack we've ended up with today.
mod6: no one should feel bad about doing something the way that it aught to be done. unfortunately, this is not often the case with many things.
mod6: further, i feel like there is a sense of pride that comes from taking the time to do something right, as opposed to doing something quick and dirty.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> there is not an escape from this, nor ought to be. << V, at least to me, seems like the way that things aught to be done. and there are no shortcuts when you're doing the 'right thing' or how something aught to be done.
mircea_popescu: and in other weirdulz : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b3bc985eb95ca3c742f4d53e84eb8d23/tumblr_n5hfdqE65J1ra163eo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: there's more kludge that needs to go. such as, internet connectivity.
asciilifeform: there is not an escape from this, nor ought to be.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 01:07 mod6: if only they used V.
mod6: if only they used V.
mod6: broke my shit, then couldn't get my shit to work until I had to refresh everything.
mod6: you have to explicitly tell it to --rebuild-dependencies or whatever the fuck
mod6: it just looks to see if there is a newer version number by filename itself in the remote repository, and if so, pulls it.
mod6: needed for the shelf.
asciilifeform: the '12 is published as an addendum to it
asciilifeform: but careful, don't throw out the ~rationale~ for '05
asciilifeform: there is exactly 1 2012 ref
asciilifeform: throw out the old crud.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here. << that's neat. thought we were leaning towards the '95 standard?
asciilifeform: or any other deps
asciilifeform: but they also have normal-looking tarballs? wtf.
asciilifeform: motherfucking exe !
asciilifeform: to no surprise (for folks who've been paying attention), unlike just about every other known case, the extra mass is all goodstuff
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here.
mod6: anyway, yeah, i'll find sometime in the next week maybe to try this one out personally and rebase if required.
phf: So patches might be there, but not in press, or in a wrong patchset, or...
mod6: ah. you're missing a number of the later patches, but maybe that's because it's "shiva" ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-21#1411699 experimental though, i think the only uploaded patch is this guy http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank
mircea_popescu: "obvious"... to the right people.
asciilifeform: from the stated principles.
asciilifeform: that other folk can simply... do it
asciilifeform: i like it when the solution to a problem is this obvious
asciilifeform: (and in fact i have a half-written version of it on own hdd, back when i started doing it! and then he went and did whole thing himself, and i went 'neato, i dun have to no moar')
mircea_popescu: we were kinda in the middle of things with that when interrupted.
mod6: i had the same reaction mp
mircea_popescu: oh right, the code reviewer thingee
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "why should i suck your cock" "because it's here" and "why should i suck your cock, because he says i'm a slut ???".
mircea_popescu: so it's there ?
mircea_popescu: such problems can only be solved by the problematizer and for himself.
mircea_popescu: "this doesn't solve the problem of the sun looking at me funny" "this is not a problem" "am i thick or what ?!" "no, you're just the sort of fellow that's decided afore the fact that the sun can look at you funny and this matters."
asciilifeform: i'm not aware of other problems that deedbotting archives might solve ?
asciilifeform: the problem of hitler editing history
asciilifeform: hitler can always print, in volkischer beobachter, 'he downloaded the tarball, diddled, then deedbotted'
asciilifeform: doesn't really get out of the problem tho
mircea_popescu: the archive thing
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-news,
asciilifeform: http://shitco.in/2016/05/03/the-actual-current-state-of-bitcoin << l0l, pankkake is back ? and not wholly off the reservation, even ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 23:09 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://archive.is/pgp.mit.edu << full archive of the keys as found in situ
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 23:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462128 << back in 1994 ~nobody was factoring these anyway, so prolly safe for its time.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462135 << not the point. i want to know ~what piece of shitware generated it~
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461149 "Because of the positions the low quality rubes Hoaxtoshi selected for his audience " <<< priceless
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462128 << back in 1994 ~nobody was factoring these anyway, so prolly safe for its time.
mircea_popescu: and in other sourceforce lulz : http://uvatyrydili.sourceforge.net/oiqoindywhee34.html (careful, it does a redirect).
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to get the archive, base64 and deed it...
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://archive.is/pgp.mit.edu << full archive of the keys as found in situ
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and in other "this worked a minute ago" news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/alfie-teh-dog-bee.htm << same, but with mit.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: sks is the noncooperating thing.
trinque: ah that didn't work; I guess that links to the "do you want to archive" page
ascii_butugychag: using the X509_NAME_oneline() function on EBCDIC systems.'
ascii_butugychag: thus far the only sore arse is mine afaik.
ascii_butugychag: where is, i'd like to know, the rape ?
mircea_popescu: stupid ho screaming "nonono" with hands stuffed in ears is still getting raped, just like any other.
mircea_popescu: because, much like in the case of the miners getting caugvht with pants down, there is THIS interval right here.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag seeing how sks itself reports them from 2002 to whatever, 2012, i dunno. lol.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: and at any rate 'they planted'em in 2013! who you gonna believe, obamitler or some ru rando'
mircea_popescu: so before it was "error handling request" ; then it was cycling indefinitely in "queue". now it's "network error".
meuh: OK, I need to investigate more (going to open again that OpenPGP RFCs) and don't waste your time. I originally tought there was a bug in the interface that was incorrectly reporting my keys as dupes because I've made a single armored export of the public key and feeds this as a single blob to the submission page
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/alfie-teh-bee-dog.htm << so here we go, anyone desirious to keep alfie teh bee dog from his sad dissapearance fate, plox load the page an click on linx
ascii_butugychag: there is no way to watch for mischief where modulus is lifted WHOLESALE, without also listing a boatload of this rubbish, unfortunately.
ascii_butugychag: and gpg creates dupes when folks sign one another's keys, yes
ascii_butugychag: then someone else takes your modulus, and welds own username string to it
ascii_butugychag: say you, like a n00b might, sign the message 'yes, meet me at midnight on the crossroad'
meuh: ascii_butugychag, mircea_popescu: you make me feel rather uncomfortable, it puzzle me how common modulus can appears in those keys:
mircea_popescu: the herospraying.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag yes yes it's in the logs.
meuh: ascii_butugychag, mircea_popescu: you make me feel rather uncomfortable, it puzzle me how common modulus can appears in those keys:
ascii_butugychag: so it is only relevant here in the sense described above.
ascii_butugychag: 'The first bug (mishandling of
ascii_butugychag: they credibility-sprayed him.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the fella who unplugged Dulap-1 every weekened was also rando ru guy.
ascii_butugychag: meuh, mircea_popescu : this happens IF AND ONLY IF the modulus recurrs in its entirety inside another key.
meuh: mircea_popescu: think i got it, the site reports "Modulus Seen Elsewhere! Please make sure these are yours:" for signatures made on other keys, and I have to check I've made those signatures with one of my key
ascii_butugychag: but now see the down-side, aha ?
mircea_popescu: observe timestamp on link in paranthesis.
ascii_butugychag: sks has the idiot new ssl thing
mircea_popescu: this is good for tracking. it's also normal in case you sign other people's keys.
meuh: hi there
trinque: ascii_butugychag: the guy's going to drop fucking NSAcoin
trinque: http://www.drcraigwright.net/jean-paul-sartre-signing-significance/ << "I have been silent, but I have not been absent. I have been engaged with an exceptional group and look forward to sharing our remarkable work when they are ready."
ascii_butugychag: i find it strange that they wouldn't go for broke and break the idiot's dsa key for the occasion
ascii_butugychag: only one possible destination, the stake.
ascii_butugychag: and the man has to be a lunatic, who would sign up for this? it is like signing up as court alchemist in 17th c
trinque: read an article yesterday about "hooray, $shitoshi can help resolve the 'block size debate'" etc
ascii_butugychag: woah they're still coming
ascii_butugychag: it is, perhaps, why i'm still alive - if 'accidented', then, e.g., trb, suddenly becomes more interesting to a buncha folk
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: my point was that in nazi land i get ranked as simply a very lazy nazi who spends time on ???? rather than properly drilling with the other ss men
ascii_butugychag: Apocalyptic: because of the 'deniable' sabotage of replacing moduli with random ints
ascii_butugychag: i was hired, for instance, partly on the basis of my ancient shithub acct
Apocalyptic: "14:18 <+ascii_deadfiber> i do suspect that the enemy knows some factoid re prime distribution that makes factoring randints easier
ascii_butugychag: the people who control my food and roof ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even cares ?!
mircea_popescu: the notion that usg's word vs tmsr's word has a chance in hell is lulzy.
ascii_butugychag: soon they will be on my disk and yours only.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag which is proof positive nsa did in fact plant them.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the 'consensus shapers' are all working the angle of 'these terrorists planted the keyz'
mircea_popescu: isn't it the case that 99% of compile failures get called "wrong gcc version/flags" ? as if that does anything ?
phf: i will venture "wrong gcc version/flags" on account of that _8 there
mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING. from rtorrent to juce to what have you. let's break all the things!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile admire the glory :
mircea_popescu: so she showed me the thing and i broke out in hives.
mircea_popescu: then barfed 2/3 through compile. because arcana.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag a coupla hours ago i made a cursory attempt to install a factorizer lib (linked in logs). i threw up minutes later because obviously it doens't work. put out a general call, slavegirl picked up the task, installed python 4.4. wrangled for a while with broken cmake settings (pro tip : cmake is known to not correctly identifgy your python, workable hack in this case is to disable the test and manually fix the f
mircea_popescu: from the glory that is nonstatic linking.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : undefined reference to `__sync_add_and_fetch_8'.
Apocalyptic: "If you look closely, all of the keys shown on the website are only self signed." // clearly he has looked closely
mircea_popescu: the republic wins.
ascii_butugychag: ^ they F8K3D it all!!1111111
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, yes, it timed out in the end, no idea why
Apocalyptic: if trying ECM don't bother picking B1 under 11e6
Apocalyptic: anyway for anybody interested the composite residue i'm working on is http://dpaste.com/2QP9HV9
Apocalyptic: a pitty they don't sign source archives though...
Apocalyptic: yeah, that's the one I use
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu: download ecm from inria, compile it, run ECM with the residue I supply
mircea_popescu: yah but how would they help ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu: that would be a great idea indeed, in the meantime if anyone feels like helping me factor my modulus residue let me know
Apocalyptic: indeed nice checking algo, sorta switching the usual role of d and e
mircea_popescu: incidentally - perhaps a good idea would be a tmsr factorization program. something like seti@home, that people can just run on spare machines if they feel like.
Apocalyptic: will read it then
mircea_popescu: openssl for the lulz.
mircea_popescu: dunno what the record is by now, but at some point it was like 60 digits
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you know, i vaguely recall there was a challenge for the "largest factor found in factorization" or somesuch ?
Apocalyptic: th modulus residue I'm working on has ~ 260 digits and it seems the remaining primes are pretty big, +35/40 digits from what I see
Apocalyptic: "14:16 <+mircea_popescu> i recall him trying one" // and succeeded, see ascii's rating, afaik he included the log line where I posted all the factors
mircea_popescu: note that trilema blows the openssl attempt at legitimization way the fuck out of the water.
mircea_popescu: (anyway no, it's by no means expensive for the specs, we got a nice one-offsie on account of other business etc)
phf: no wonder all the talk of "i'll pay out of pocket!!"
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor you know, you could in principle write all this stuff yourself. if it's any good odds are it'll get accepted/used. if not, odds are you'll get a very scathing review from alf making you doubt your sexuality and other life choices.
fromphuctor: another thing to test when you collect ssh keys is for duplicate
mircea_popescu: hey, this is what the internet does & is for my dear phf : taking a very reasonable statement way the fuck out of context.
mircea_popescu: so no, i very much expect they "wouldn't be interested".
phf: mircea_popescu: just irked, there's a rare "human record" kind of data that ben_vulpes deals with that exceeds 8gb. why don't you taunt us with your hadron collider data dumps some more?
fromphuctor: they build software to build keys...
mircea_popescu: you're also very likely right re nat router keys. junk of the junk.
fromphuctor: i didn't read the log
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor i dunno if you've seen the logs, but the idea to add ssh keyscan was accepted upon discussion.
mircea_popescu: and yes, that's what stuff like http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ (bottom section) lead to, and is why "Public Exponent 281479271743489 is NOT PRIME ! Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !" sort of thing is in the comments on phuctor.
fromphuctor: in particular i have the SUSPECT that router from juniper and cisco might build random keys that are not random at all
fromphuctor: today i am wondering if you ever compared the keys to see if any clone is found
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 08:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461623 << me sobs at the alt reality where 8gb counts for really beefy. phuctor is on 1/4 tb, yo. unless it was 1/2 ? i forget.
mircea_popescu: and if it won't do this, the fact that it graciously doesn't require me to write my own asm jumps or whatnot is irrelevant already.
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no reason, nor can there be any reason, c compiler can't take two strings, such as the decameron and the collected works of shakespeare, and multiply them together, as fucking numbers, and spit out the result. none.
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu: recall the toy cramershoup?
mircea_popescu: which is how longhand multiplication even fucking works, on the basis of strings-and-regexp pretty much.
mircea_popescu: the compiler is more than happy to make a linked list of fixints and do the carryovers as required.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber i don't get the speed argument.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck things these shitboxes are even computers when i get n digits eval to 0, NaN and whatever other bullshit ?!
ascii_deadfiber: i do suspect that the enemy knows some factoid re prime distribution that makes factoring randints easier
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 10:19 mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C << thinking about it, this is quite the example. 4096 key, correct e, divisible by 5, 11, 23, 447.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone with a box with python > 3.2 on it is willing to give http://cado-nfs.gforge.inria.fr/ a whirl (specifically in regards to the modulus in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461712 ) plox lemme know whether it even worx.
ascii_deadfiber: if the only implementation of something were in js, it hasn't actually been implemented yet.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 10:28 mircea_popescu: in vaguely related lulz, http://www.javascripter.net/math/primes/millerrabinbug-bigint54.htm as well as "However, if you try to pass an odd number n greater than 2^53 the test will not work because the argument would actually turn out to be some other number approximately equal to the desired odd number: JavaScript/IEEE754 cannot exactly represent odd numbers that large!"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 08:30 mircea_popescu: ". like it's fucking 1700 all over again or some shit, and they're refugees from the Alchemics & Perpetuum Mobile society.
ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461701 << by and large the alchemists, subtracting the outright fraudulent shitbags, had moar sense than these folks.
BingoBoingo: The one at the top that isn't struck through is right, I the struck through I forgot to replace a value from last month.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 08:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461614 << ianacs, but : fwis the way all these "modern" computing stacks work, is they are made by people with absolutely no system design training, competence or understanding. as a result, they end up hand-crafting the tail. the ready equivalent would be a "new, modern" game of chess, where as the game progresses more and more moves have to be verified against a rulebook ; and then against
BingoBoingo: I dunno, the cheese is roughly as equal as some "Americans", but fxing
mircea_popescu: depends how willing the thinking folk be.
ascii_deadfiber: in that the shitcocoon they spray around everything we do is quite opaque, even to thinking folk
BingoBoingo: <ascii_deadfiber> he's the 'replacement story' tho << No, hoaxtoshi and nao petrocheese stockpiles are
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 11:58 ascii_deadfiber: he's the 'replacement story' tho
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461729 <<< and usg is "the replacement republic", at least in its own mind. what of it.
ascii_deadfiber: just crapping out the oodles of small primes a typical int is divisible by
ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461684 << understand what happens when you gcd against the 8ball - these are fat composites
ascii_deadfiber: he's the 'replacement story' tho
mircea_popescu: eh, not the place for it.
mircea_popescu: herpitty derp, the world works like it's on fucking fire. anyway, that exhausts my patience.
mircea_popescu: apparently http://cado-nfs.gforge.inria.fr/ is what bernstein uses. except "Required software tools [...] GNU make and CMake (2.6.3 or later) for building (CMake is installed on the fly if missing. This feature requires an Internet connection.)" and then Connecting to cmake.org|66.194.253.19|:443... connected. ERROR: certificate common name `*.kitware.com' doesn't match requested host name `cmake.org'.
mircea_popescu: you got computers and they work amirite ?!
mircea_popescu: http://www.math.ttu.edu/~cmonico/software/ggnfs/ << "numbers up to 140 digits" what the everloving fuck is this bullshit.
mircea_popescu: in vaguely related lulz, http://www.javascripter.net/math/primes/millerrabinbug-bigint54.htm as well as "However, if you try to pass an odd number n greater than 2^53 the test will not work because the argument would actually turn out to be some other number approximately equal to the desired odd number: JavaScript/IEEE754 cannot exactly represent odd numbers that large!"
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C << thinking about it, this is quite the example. 4096 key, correct e, divisible by 5, 11, 23, 447.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461655 << i thought we were over this a few times ? yes, you can, many midwestern municipalities run isps, which are by and large BETTER than anything you can get in washington, which are the usual telcos.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 02:20 ascii_deadfiber: snow, in motherfucking may.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461647 << stop globalwarming, citizen. the coming ice age is not pleased.
mircea_popescu: lmao "my vodka identifies as water - therefore it is good for me!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461623 << me sobs at the alt reality where 8gb counts for really beefy. phuctor is on 1/4 tb, yo. unless it was 1/2 ? i forget.
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mircea_popescu: ". like it's fucking 1700 all over again or some shit, and they're refugees from the Alchemics & Perpetuum Mobile society.
mircea_popescu: rly game looks spiffy (on all of them!), as the data moves from kb to mb and the node count goes up and on and on, the thing (all of them!) collapses in a pile of uncaught, "nobodycouldhavepredicted" complexity explosions. and all this because idiot/voodoo expert came up with the brilliant idea of "hey, we make robot for your nuclear plant, and if it drops the pu brick you just pick it up by hand and put it back in the hopper
mircea_popescu: an expert rabbi, and finally verification be damned, the MEANING of moves can't even be extracted anymore. all this because instead of getting very clearly fundamental principles and sticking to them, they followed the "crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle" approach, with the predictable (and predicted) result that "you fuck it, it gets heavy, and you still don't hit large side of barn". so that's exactly what happens : ea
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:52 ben_vulpes: phf: i would like to hear about what kinds of misery you've found in datomic. not to doubt! never to doubt the misery of technology. but out of curiosity, and limits-finding by proxy.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461614 << ianacs, but : fwis the way all these "modern" computing stacks work, is they are made by people with absolutely no system design training, competence or understanding. as a result, they end up hand-crafting the tail. the ready equivalent would be a "new, modern" game of chess, where as the game progresses more and more moves have to be verified against a rulebook ; and then against
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:47 trinque: tbh I'm willing to consider that if you wrote too many layers of joins and views, you chose the wrong data structure in the beginning
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:31 asciilifeform: finally the ancient prophecy coming true, a genuine merger of software and conventional voodoo !