asciilifeform: another, smaller (people-wise, financially - mega-hedgefunds, as described in l0gz) is the 'privates'
asciilifeform: one, the largest, is the public unis - most of which originally began as late 19th c. land grants, and formerly taught useful things - agronomy, mining, metallurgy, etc.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: for n00bz: there are really three types of higher ed racket in usa.
asciilifeform: the american college racket illustrates this better than anything else i could think of
asciilifeform: the basic unsolvable boojum here is that 'meritocracy' is ultimately a form of buluceala.
asciilifeform: the ottoman empire, iirc, never invented quotas.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: similar situation with 'jew quota' in su. 'officially' it never existed. in practice, any serious institute where the management did ~not~ quietly implement one, would rapidly turn ~80% jew and the brass would have to confront party official asking 'why are you running a synagogue here'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: recent specimens of wunderwaffen are liable to, i shit thee not, have '3d printed' plastic parts.
asciilifeform: in precisely the way ru tech screams 'angry and cheap and fuckyou',
asciilifeform: optimized, quite clearly to the naked eye, for max rake
asciilifeform: who rakes in the dough.
asciilifeform: the vendor, obviously.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who designed an anti-nuke system that depends on parking lots ffs. or, for that matter, who the fuck believes this/
mircea_popescu: because why the everloving fuck.
mircea_popescu: or, as the case is here, land based locators. really, you're gonna use something on land ?
asciilifeform: guess they didn't want to become a ru bombardment-prior-to-launch zone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news, ro politruk class snubbed the us inauguration of some radars or w/e on romanian soil, part of rocket shield lulzfest.
mircea_popescu: of course as far as the crap on tv went, "la cererea publicului [tele]spectator"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: the agent string is arbitrary.
asciilifeform: from the lulzmachine,
mircea_popescu: no man has a famblee unless a) he's an idiot or b) the woman's +ev.
asciilifeform: well in the sense of 'must have this much strength to play' strictly
mircea_popescu: you think the young are at an advantage on oregon trail vs say boston ?!
asciilifeform: where the young are advantaged
asciilifeform: where there is not so much resource to go around
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends. i am not convinced by this theory because i've seen the % vary very wildly across culutres.
asciilifeform: the obscure crackpots writing into a drawer - are generally harmless.
asciilifeform: a kind of 'dog in the manger' in just about every case i've personally dealt with
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:41 mircea_popescu: mental health, i mean. the problem of "coffin liners" that asciilifeform discussed in the log is the direct counter to this. if they don't catch their death of cold, they lose track of themselves. this is not good.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466554 << arguably, ~old men~ in whatever form, tend to wreak havoc on whatever it was that they meaningfully contributed to as young men - think of millikan, say. the 'eminent scientist emeritus' is, typically, a revolting specimen
BingoBoingo: More too the point can't swim in the real ponds because couldn't avoid ruining them. Can't smart enough for civilized chemical fest pool. Y Not fake pond?
mircea_popescu: so whether they are or are not distinct, there's no requirement the distinction can be stated.
mircea_popescu: (there isn't a general rule that all edges of the implication ball are part of this world. much like there's no guarantee that all the numbers coming out of a defined arithmetic operation are in the set of numbers you can display)
asciilifeform: i'm not certain that a setup built by folks who 'hate the morlocks' would be readily distinguishable from the existing one.
mircea_popescu: now, WHY the three people that actually matter may no longer do their magic... whatever. maybe their toy breaks. maybe evil alien xenomorph mp comes and breaks their moore law and they're up shit creek without it. maybe they just start hating the morlochs.
asciilifeform: 'managing' the .1.
asciilifeform: the rest - warming chair
asciilifeform: yeah, factory, office, etc. still 'employs' the 10
mircea_popescu: overall, the tribe of monkeys still makes ~ what it always made
mircea_popescu: fact is that where you needed 10% of the population before you need 0.1% now. and, economy being what it is and human nature being what it is, this "saving" did not get passed on. it just went into lazy, inefficient and wasteful.
asciilifeform: the former, afaik - not
asciilifeform: the latter proposition - documentedly happened
asciilifeform: well the way i read the thread, it was about hypothetical 'if these 3 folks stay home, the trains stop' vs classic sov 'i'ma be a furnace stoker instead of engineer because fuckyou'
mircea_popescu: stuff like http://trilema.com/2015/other-peoples-money/ is actually documenting the tail end of that shrug.
mircea_popescu: for which reason there can not exist "america" of the previous millennium. not no more. nor "western europe" nor any of the rest of the stuff.
mircea_popescu: happened sometime in the 90s, also. after a brief euphoria post the berlin wall moment, people went "well what now ?". just like in that joke with the gypsy woman, "do we wash it or do we make another ?"
mircea_popescu: happens all the time ; but in order to live in a certain shared psychosis, the key is to "not notice".
asciilifeform: presumably you and i would notice if they decided to vodka instead of work one day
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well the thread was about hypothetical 'three good men' who keep the lights on
mircea_popescu: notably, the us exists today because some people shrugged at some point in the 18th century.
BingoBoingo: Seriously shrugging is a passive thing. Bouncing the world and the enemies attached to it across the hardwood would be noticed. Who the fuck notices someone else shrugging. Shrug is uninteresting.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are the one who suggested Atlas "shrug". Shrug is different from Atlas takes the ball off his shoulder, dribbles it down the court, and makes a three point shot.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.
asciilifeform: (not that such shielding is esp. feasible in the general case)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzily, somehow usg has not caught up with the profusion of cheap thermovisors that it itself (via massive subsidies) caused, and they've no meaningful shielding
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (incidentally why should usg be doing ~all~ of the thermo-journalism!? time for free men to do their share..?) << this is quite so.
asciilifeform can't wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and comment 'you are imbecile, and reason like a slave!1111 REAL MEN can, MUST subsist on the bone marrow of their enemies! what filthy coin'
BingoBoingo: They could at least drop out and play Xbawkz all day
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well no shit. also helps that in real life there is not a 'gulch' for them to escape to.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: and yes, it is the harness which reddit et al are powered by, just like horse harness works because the animal likes going forward
asciilifeform: there is this notion that writing can turn meaningless waste of life into some sort of condensed meaning
asciilifeform: it is a frequent pasttime of the dying, the quasi-dead, and the living dead, at least those among them who are even semi-literate
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot you know, looking through it... one thing that struck me about the abundance of patently insane esl folk is, this strange, rare (from a clinical pov) tendency to minutiously document their whatevers.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466517 << prisoners, when they can get hold of a pen, also do it
asciilifeform: (incidentally why should usg be doing ~all~ of the thermo-journalism!? time for free men to do their share..?)
asciilifeform: but it would do the trick.
asciilifeform: i dun have a thermovisor atm so can't tell for 100%.
BingoBoingo: lol, there are some of those scattered around this region too
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 18:40 BingoBoingo waits for the eventually day when alf wanders into an embassy and the embassy doesn't let him leave.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466510 << there is a house, in a washington suburb, next to a certain restaurant that i sometimes take pet to, it has iron door and 'high voltage sign', and claims to be an electric co substation, but has normal utility wire going to it, and sometimes lights (and curtains) in the windows. i always say, 'this is cia safehouse, perhaps i can apply to be dismembered here'
Framedragger: or maybe someone else knows, has anyone attempted http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: are you still interested in having someone deliver http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhuile dumbass f-secure site pops all the bullshit surveys and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: the idiots are prolly regexp matching ".py" in the generated-by meta tag or somesuch idiocy.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the page includes NO javascript even.
mircea_popescu: in yet another example of "security industry" being a bunch of useless scammers, "<Wise> Why is my fsecure antivirus stopping the http://logs.minigame.bz webpage in my browser claiming it´s suspect?"
shinohai: https://ma.ttias.be/day-google-chrome-disabled-http2-nearly-everyone-may-15th-2016/ <<< HTTPS/2.0 apparently becomes dead for Chrome if the server's OpenSSL is lower than 1.0.2
hanbot: can't learn once they're dead, neh?
mircea_popescu: educating children by the sight of the whip only works in children that have lived experience with the cut of the whip. otherwise, it's just some weird churchly ritual of no meaning, power or importance.
mircea_popescu: then it turned out it wasn't.
mircea_popescu: and people suspected the river is stocked with enough garbagemen to allow for the occasional dumping of garbage.
hanbot: i suspect nature is stocked with enough barbs to allow for the occasional narrow escape without sacrificing doom&consequence.
mircea_popescu: mental health, i mean. the problem of "coffin liners" that asciilifeform discussed in the log is the direct counter to this. if they don't catch their death of cold, they lose track of themselves. this is not good.
mircea_popescu: it's great for his fucking health that if he starts running around the field packing chicken with snow he catches a cold and dies.
hanbot: not that i think the victim shouldn't be blamed in such cases. an exemption for eg francis bacon would've been nice tho.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i think that's supposed to go "fewer great people die from preventable causes than then"
mircea_popescu: but if you ask the economiasts of the statu quo, they would say yes, this is progress - fewer idiots die now than then.
diana_coman: for the other if it is for a simple explanation, I'd go for the fact that many more used to die before they even reached 15 or whatever
diana_coman: don't really know enough to say whether genetic really is simply the same for one thing
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but there's not that many alternative causations. it could either be genetic or environmental.
mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is. <- uhm, correlation ate causation much?
mircea_popescu: but that aside ... and incidentally THIS is why "apocalyptic" scenarios are so fucking dangerous. god only help you if you're trying to live "in the civilised world" and ANYTHING happens to keep any one of those three from his toys.
mircea_popescu: it's economically masked by the fact that power leverage increased with technology, exponentially - so to run a 10`000 group then you needed 1k > 100 and 100 > 110 and at least a dozen > 120, but now 3 people over 115 suffice.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is.
mircea_popescu: (which was, at the time, the fate of the highly functional retards. women above 90iq actually married.)
mircea_popescu: hanbot for all the derpage about "liberation" etc - most women don't actually behave like they're old enough to be house servants.
mircea_popescu: education however - has. reformed out the wazoo by all sorts of ustardian/evanghelical/whatever derps.
hanbot: well i imagine most women would get the "hysterical" stamp anyway.
hanbot: everyone knows you have to prepare for sucksess, what's this "doing" you speak of! it costs too much, it's better to wait, they'll do it once their real lives begin.
mircea_popescu: to anyone qualified in the field it's obvious that this approach helps psychosis and hurts neurosis ; and that it's about 1000 times more likely to be picked up by the neurotic than by the psychotic. for the very fucking obvious reason that cures predicated on health are no fucking cures whatsoever omfg what school did these nitwits go to anyway!
mircea_popescu: turns out, this, like most everything else in mental pathology, is actually the result of attempted curative practices
mircea_popescu: hanbot you know, looking through it... one thing that struck me about the abundance of patently insane esl folk is, this strange, rare (from a clinical pov) tendency to minutiously document their whatevers.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> in other lulz, http://dpaste.com/0YXY6DY << what's a cock & ball torture worksheet anyway?
mircea_popescu: or maybe the day BingoBoingo wanders into a cunt and the cunt doesn't let him leave/
BingoBoingo waits for the eventually day when alf wanders into an embassy and the embassy doesn't let him leave.
davout: asciilifeform: you didn't spot it, you failed the test
mircea_popescu: i think you might have found the us spy convention.
mircea_popescu: and "nobody knows" that new ones pop here as they happen, ofcourse. lettuce not be divisive.
ben_vulpes: now that he's got the whole keyset he can properly duplicate and backdate stan's work
ben_vulpes: boeck's going to show up with all of the keys and a backdated modulus or two now
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 14:38 mircea_popescu: lol nothing wrong with that is there ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it had the biggest discone antenna i've ever seen on a roof
mircea_popescu: lol nothing wrong with that is there ?
asciilifeform: somebody's snarfing all of the /download/-able keyz off phuctor
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm about to see expo at ro embassy. anything specifically lulzy there to watch for ?
mircea_popescu: fuck, 50 years ago people'd be so impressed you had a computer at all they'd hire you. etc.
mircea_popescu: used to be how this worked, 150 or so years ago. you wrote to the newspaper, and they were so impressed you could write at all they'd hire you.
shinohai Listens to the mixtape
shinohai: Just go ahead and write the Chicago Trib and NYT while yer at it bub
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: girl's clearly havign fun / feeling safe / all in lubs and shit. which is definitely something that went out of porn with the end of the 80s.
shinohai: Still rather nice to wake up to I'd say.
mircea_popescu: bad crop, bad pose, what the fuck is it with the milkstained, nipple torn bra and so on.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, check out this pretty sweetheart. http://67.media.tumblr.com/4cb36414f98f2e6a38bad6ed9445c2e8/tumblr_nf0jwjjxQC1spdyhpo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the muppets live off pretense and derpage. perfectly self-consistent.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell luke-jr trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken << Turducken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.cajungrocer.com/fresh-foods-holiday-dishes-turducken-c-1_15_24.html << Turducken | $85 Delivered | Order Now! | Fresh from CajunGrocer | http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/paula-deen/turducken-recipe.html << Turducken Recipe : Paula Deen : Food Network
asciilifeform: turducken?! the man is a coprophag ?!@
mircea_popescu: so word around the campfire is that president donald trunkduck is going to have a turducken dinner for his wh inauguration.
BingoBoingo: But there's no reason one can't read all of qntra in 2-3 months to catch up.
BingoBoingo: Too early to tell, but it only too MPEx what, a month of beta then 30 BTC, 50 BTC, moon?
BingoBoingo: But how would that help to filter alert/regular readers from the people who should have been around in 2015?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo listen, perhaps an article discussing us corn inventories and market not the best explanatory piece for "obestiality and transmayogenderism".
trinque: mod6 │ anal fisting site should have expected to get their backdoor penetrated << loool
mircea_popescu: to quote teh typically frustrated esltard, "I like this game, but I have gotten as far as I can go...not the end of the game, mind you, I just can't get any farther. There is no information available anywhere about how to get past these obstacles. No point in playing anymore. "
BingoBoingo: Yeah, not much has happened this month other than Clinton v. Clinton noise
deedbot: [Qntra] Yet Another Darknet Market Sprouts - http://qntra.net/2016/05/yet-another-darknet-market-sprouts/
mod6: anal fisting site should have expected to get their backdoor penetrated
shinohai: I have to say an anal fisting website would have been low on my list of hacking priorities but I still salute them.
mircea_popescu: (in other lulz of perhaps BingoBoingo interest, did anyone else know that preet bharara has an illustrious antecessor the original director of the original interpol - at the time called "international criminal police commission", but rebranded to avoid the stigma - who was actually hanged for his activities ?)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: it's not practical to have physically-blocked "in same room looking at same kbd" sorta arrangement there, costs more than it can ever be worth.
mircea_popescu: i think i may even do it that way deliberately - make it a girls only corporation and fu. just to bother teh ustards.
mod6: we'll have to put a flag in here so I can give the details later when I go to next_place. XXX
mircea_popescu: course, shitheadgate too busy to discuss this, but...
mod6: i don't feel the need to try to improve someone else.
phf: basically when a weaker pair is driving you can whip her into doing it right, otherwise she's just sitting there giving "useful" advice
mod6: i'd much rather work remote and "pair" that way. it's not super bad or anything, cept for the commute, and not being able to sneak off to tmsr~
mod6: and we're moving too fast to wait for someone to wait for a PR, respond in there and then refactor/rearchitect and update PR
ben_vulpes: what precisely is the goal of having her hawk on you
ben_vulpes: nobody can tell then
mod6: when i don't have someone watching my every move during the day, i usually can login and chat during the day at the office.
mircea_popescu: the notion that the us would be derping at bnr is beyond fucking lulzy, what's next, a critique of bach by j. timberfake ?
mircea_popescu: "us" can by and large get fucked, they don't have nor had since perhaps morgenthau anyone in a central bank seat that can compare to romania's.
mircea_popescu: for a second there i thought alf moved on to reading bitcointalk for lack of fishfapping material.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: the other boojum is that factoring a ~typical~, vs. 'ideally' generated 1024-bit key, is quite likely much cheaper yet.
davout: according to http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/papers/cbtwirl.pdf it'd cost 10mn and a year to factor a 1024 bit number, and the paper is from 2003 apparently
asciilifeform: 'oh you oughtn't want long keyz because only terrorists want >1024bit and fuckyou the STANDARD says...'
davout: not sure what the best way to enumerate domains for this purpose is
davout: asciilifeform & mircea_popescu just realized that the DKIM RSA keys could easily be harvested from teh interwebz and fed to the phuctor
shinohai: LOL the bitcointalk shemale slut got haxxored: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1469369.msg0;boardseen#new
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 13:13 mircea_popescu: o hey, paymium now joins bitstamp on the list of wanna-be bitcoin exchanges that email spam.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Aw, qntra appears DDoS'd now just when I am considering a piece on the increase in young Muricans with ischemic brain damage
mircea_popescu: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/622744/unable-to-install-python-without-sudo-access << apparently you don't need anything other than a writable dir.
punkman: mircea_popescu: Moduli Waiting for Test: 20 << still getting these huh. nice. << speaking of which, could you install python2.7.* on the gwern archive box?
mircea_popescu: Moduli Waiting for Test: 20 << still getting these huh. nice.
mircea_popescu: Mother mother fuck, mother mother fuck fuck, mother fuck mother fuck noish noish. One, two, one two three four noish noish noish noish. Smokin weed smokin whizz doin coke drinkin beers drinkin beers beers beers. Rollin fatties, smokin blunts. Whos smokes blunts? We smoke blunts. Rollin blunts and smokin..
ben_vulpes: were they curious about your new adventures?
asciilifeform just now finished drinking with the rupturefarmz folk wishing him a merry neverneverland
trinque: all the abstinence kids look like their genes are quite happy with calling their current derp the end of the road.
asciilifeform: my point was, they use aryans now.
mircea_popescu: "the place where middleaged couples with strange ideas about what'd put the spark back in the bedroom go for massage-vacations"
mircea_popescu: i am not so convinced the past 60 years made the us any less of a culturally impoverished zimbabwe. it's still not a nation, nor much of a country. it doesn't even make much of a hotel, used to be a sort of cote d'azur, now more like jamaica.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it DID make the job of recruiters that much easier.
asciilifeform: usa of the period was a culturally impoverished zimbabwe
mircea_popescu: and it ended up with the russians.
mircea_popescu: experience seems amusingly enough to confirm this theory.
mircea_popescu: it stands then to reason to say that classification is more of a hr/personnel retention tool than a opsec instrument.
mircea_popescu: = "opportunity cost" + "self-actualisation value", and since the sort of idiots that actually take jobs with the nsa have very simple "self actualisation" functions, which often evaluate to "be in a place where things are called 'classified'", then this necessarily is a +.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to look at it from a different perspective : attaching the attribute "classified" to a specified item has a number of effects on the world, some of which can have associated values that are computable. one such example is : that it triggers interest from the enemy, however defined. this is clearly a -. another one such example is : that it makes the workforce feel more important. since compensation always has to
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform goes right back to the whole "gestapo couldn't keep abreast of all the phonecalls from the "innocent public" they kept receiving". just like policeman rarely works there as a job, and generally works there as a hedge against his own inferiority complexes, derps working for nsa work there mostly for to be working there.
mircea_popescu: (yes - that's the point of sending kids to school. to get them from where their average capital productivity is < 0% to where they get at least even with average. which should be within reach for an iq 100 fellow ; which is the only meaningful definition of iq available in the first place.)
mircea_popescu: PeterL even if they do, if you can't use capital more productively than 5% a year it's time to go back to school.
asciilifeform: 'For instance, Diffie quizzed an MIT colleague named Dan Edwards, who would join the NSA after graduating. "He was extremely unhelpful," Diffie later reported, "failing to reveal things which were certainly not classified and which I later saw in the bibliography of his thesis." And when a colleague at Mitre went to work at IDA, Diffie asked him if he could share anything about his work. After a tan
asciilifeform: from the bureau of vintage lulz: http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/l/levy-crypto.html
PeterL: rates can't go much lower than they are
shinohai: The bot section will need a whole new writeup though, since everything was merged into deedbot so gotta get a list of all those features compiled.
trinque: could be that you expose some api - or SQL - my direction, or otherwise that I somehow sync (rsync?) tickets from you
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466068 << wrote my bot with the intention of making creating new commands very easy
a111: Logged on 2016-05-11 21:38 mircea_popescu: world of tanks lol. trinque wtf the api can't be that broken ?!
mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, prostu' parca nu-i destul daca nu e si fudul.
luke-jr: asciilifeform: things I'd like to see in it would be merged mining, additional inputs to the generation transaction, and maybe fix block withholding
luke-jr: asciilifeform: to show the industry that a hardfork and consensus is a possible thing
asciilifeform: well nobody can answer this mega-question until the concretes are given, neh ?
luke-jr: is there any possibility of that, or is it just impossible?
asciilifeform: at one point i considered buying one, but was not able to swing the access to the needed microscopy
asciilifeform: (and the 'macivory' product that sat in a 68k mac, was simply a card with the smbx cpu in it... no cables at all)
asciilifeform: the last true smbx box, xl1200, actually had standard scsi in it.
asciilifeform: dc power supply (a monster, iron box in the machine) was made by 3rd party and has labeled screw terminals
asciilifeform: (disk is on a st-506 cable but the pinout is public and you can buy the cable on, e.g., ebay)
asciilifeform: i will note that there are no unusual cables (other than the long triax console cable) in my lispm
asciilifeform: (ti sold what was mostly a straight miniature clone of the original mit lispm)
asciilifeform: the largest competitor, aha
asciilifeform: the lispm itself, the 'fep' (which did disk/tape/etc. i/o, and was its own m68k machine) plus another m68k in the console
phf: i know that mallery owns the entire software side, no idea where the vlsi falls, but afaiu that's the reason why nobody's doing anything with the assets
asciilifeform: or rather, he admitted that they were sold, but did not say to whom, i discovered through other informants
asciilifeform: phf: last thing dks said to me was that the rights to the whole shebang were bought at auction by prof j mallery of mit/nsa.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of phf from 3 to 4 << Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history.
mircea_popescu: $rate phf 4 Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history.
phf: the main constraint is those same open maintenance contracts, but ultimately guy wants all that stuff preserved
phf: that's true, but those are not lost either