mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467679 << omfg now i also wonder what's in bb's tobacco. this insanity coallesced in my head like that iconic cartoon scene of all the clocks going off, except you know... with loud obnoxious two stroke engines.
mircea_popescu: dude just how bad has this castration thing got in the us ?!
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467827 dunno was grepping followers tweets for certain terms and that one popped up. Never heard of the guy.
mircea_popescu: " One of the women allegedly offered an undercover officer money in exchange for a sexual act, resulting in an additional prostitution charge." << wait, she was going to pay HIM ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 15:59 BingoBoingo: Use less electric? Seriously though they'd basically be paying you to exercise.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467675 << no because http://trilema.com/2016/the-megawatt-standard/
mircea_popescu: it's ~how various countercultural things even existed in the first place.
mircea_popescu: you know incidentally, if the current nazi party were in fact in soviet russia we'd prolly all be working for the same home depot doing a very... disturbing version of clerks, the movie series.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 15:55 BingoBoingo: Have you tried applying to Home Depot? They will let you work part time. 20 hours/week leaves you less prison time than 40+ hours of sodomy.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 15:51 asciilifeform: 'The government said Monday he should remain jailed indefinitely until he complies. The authorities also said that it's not a violation of the man's Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination because it's a "foregone conclusion" that illegal porn is on the drives and that he is only being asked to unlock the drives, not divulge their passcodes.
mircea_popescu: the stock historical bitcoin client, prb, without any modification, will act like a malicious node.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform & other interested parties : i've actually verified that the behaviour in question comes from stock bitcoin 0.6 and some 0.7. the shit's so bad it self-ddoses its own network!
ben_vulpes: and these--
ben_vulpes: the world is a concrete box!
asciilifeform: where you dun have the option of moving
asciilifeform: in this or other fields.
asciilifeform: nor have any interest in the 'just fill it up with ddt' approach to problem-solving
asciilifeform: i do not live there any more
asciilifeform: at the time i wrote most of it, i lived in a vile and uncleanable (in the sense that vermin lived in the walls and fed upon the opulent fastfood waste of the verminiferous neighbours)
asciilifeform: not the least.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but your blog seems to be rather centered on various kitchen pests. I just assume it isn't a coincidence.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: y'know, there is >1 way to live free of roach
BingoBoingo realizes he maybe ought to stahp pushing alf towards "better living through chemistry" or he might become the sort who mows his lawn with Imazapyr
BingoBoingo: Look, none of us are going to live to be 145. Do you want to live among the roaches or not...
asciilifeform: as some folks in the good ol' days found out when they tried to do the 'acclimate to strychnine' thing with cumulative poisons, e.g, arsenic
BingoBoingo: Sure, dose makes the poison
asciilifeform: when i worked in the outfit that did antidotes for organophosphate poisons ('nerve' gases) we used these common pesticides as a substitute for the real thing
BingoBoingo: Aha, so ant is winning ant/termite war there I presume?
asciilifeform: not entirely unrelatedly, as a young man i kept 'bug spray' around, habitually, as my ancestors did; but then learned that wet/dry vac works 100% as well and doesn't create cloud of poisonous crud to breathe the rest of the day
BingoBoingo: Just because all the marketing is behind monsanto and glyphosate doesn't mean there aren't cases where a diquat is phine too.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, generally if you spray the right kind of sweet murder target toward the pest you actually have... You end up having to spray less of it and saving.
phf: asciilifeform: my point is that like with any war, "on the reservation" you're not necessarily going to run into active soldiers, but more likely into a mine, or border control, or whatever else the effects of war are.
asciilifeform: but yes, when folks like BingoBoingo ask 'why the burn rate', asciilifeform answers 'keeping force field against monkeys going is not cheap'
BingoBoingo: related http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-supporter-still-planning-rioting-national-co-52878
asciilifeform: but the latter is presently large enough that one can avoid running into any monkeys for arbitrary stretch of time
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Plenty of homeowners play exterminitor on their own unpaid
asciilifeform: phf: on the reservation, at any rate
phf: asciilifeform: unless you're inside mp's dirigible, pretty sure you're inside monkey house. these "wars" mostly end with you losing further ground one way or another
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
asciilifeform: let the animal kingdom be.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno about you but i do not run on hamster wheels, nor spend time in monkey house, nor fraternise with the ants, nor try to fit into rat tunnels, etc
BingoBoingo: Do shit flinging monkeys have stable sides in their turdwarz?
BingoBoingo: Who said the sides had to be opposing?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so what do you see as the opposing sides here
asciilifeform: i have not yet signed up to take sides in that one yet, either.
BingoBoingo: One thing that is becoming clear is the lord admirald alf is not ready to take his fleet into fight the culture war
hanbot: <trinque> the bathroom thing is yet another "social issue" that can stall permanently like gay marriage or abortion << pun o' the day
BingoBoingo: Some changes were made to the changes "male and females" was instead changed to "traditionally gendered"
asciilifeform: phf: if anyone cared to solve this, it is trivially solvable, and iirc some western eu places have the pill against it: door automatically opens after x minutes
phf: asciilifeform: main issue with that plan is that girls notoriously take longer time in the bathroom. very rarely do i have to wait in man's bathroom, but i've now spent some time in long mixed gender lines
asciilifeform: good motherfuckign riddance.
asciilifeform: trinque: on the contrary, it is moving along nicely. e.g., in many restaurants even now, there is only 1 or more single-locking-room bathrooms. i welcome the extinction of the other kind, where you actually see/hear/smell the other people.
asciilifeform: hanbot: these being what ?
hanbot: asciilifeform good enough, but do they sport >9000 noise/myopia machines?
asciilifeform: typically they have an actual writer as guest of honor, and a hundred or so pathetic 'wannabees'
trinque: the bathroom thing is yet another "social issue" that can stall permanently like gay marriage or abortion
asciilifeform: hanbot: i showed up at 'balticon' a few times (where i even saw, by pure chance... the infamous eric raymond, limping along)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 18:18 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2016/2016-baibf-a-drudgery << somehow i missed this. quite lulzy, and reminiscent of american b00k-centered events (e.g., sf cons)
hanbot: BingoBoingo, a few typographical edits: Last week much of the American media's news pipelines were constipated the announcement / constipated by/with ; Hussein Bahamas announcement / Bahamas' ; a adipose filled apron / an adipose ; Many mayogndered individuals / mayogendered ; insistence of maygendered / mayogendered ; than it is for male and females / males .
asciilifeform: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Pentagon << related comedy
BingoBoingo: Eh, the pentagon was built with a 4bathroom system
asciilifeform: as i understood it, the entire 2bathroom thing is slowly being repealed
BingoBoingo: And Bahamas insisting people allow transgenders to use the bathrooms they identify as, even if they are mayogender but still identify as their former gender
asciilifeform: i have intensely nfi what the actual latest 'twist' is
asciilifeform: having read none of the redditola that presumably prompted it
asciilifeform: in other 'news',
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2016/2016-baibf-a-drudgery << somehow i missed this. quite lulzy, and reminiscent of american b00k-centered events (e.g., sf cons)
asciilifeform: from the dept. of ancient things that were neato, http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/01/robot_odyssey_the_hardest_computer_game_of_all_time.html
asciilifeform: 'One of the women allegedly offered an undercover officer money in exchange for a sexual act, resulting in an additional prostitution charge.' << not misprint ?
asciilifeform: nah that'd be napalm in the morning
BingoBoingo: 2-cycle exhaust is the EXACT smell of freedom and opportunity!
BingoBoingo: What's wrong with 2-cycle? They are wonderfully simple. No need to do seperate oil changes.
asciilifeform: if there is any point at all to having civilizations that ban things, 2cycle ought to have long ago been placed where the spark gap radio is
BingoBoingo: Anyways, prolly ought to convert as many appliances as you can from electric to 2-cycle gas motors because Hitler hates their farts.
BingoBoingo: And it would be hard to service Hitler there
BingoBoingo: Use less electric? Seriously though they'd basically be paying you to exercise.
asciilifeform: (there will be some sort of gig i fly out to a few x/year, but hasn't yet happened)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun leave the house no moar.
BingoBoingo: Have you tried applying to Home Depot? They will let you work part time. 20 hours/week leaves you less prison time than 40+ hours of sodomy.
asciilifeform: 'The government said Monday he should remain jailed indefinitely until he complies. The authorities also said that it's not a violation of the man's Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination because it's a "foregone conclusion" that illegal porn is on the drives and that he is only being asked to unlock the drives, not divulge their passcodes.
BingoBoingo: In other news, Imgur.com is the latest popular shitsite whose urls will lead to a Qntra comment being auto ignored as spam.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 08:01 mircea_popescu: honestly, it's a surprise to me they haven't introduced cockcaging for us kids as of yet. for one thing, they're doing the entire fucktarded "can't drink till 21", so they definitely could. for the other thing, it'd make so much fucking sense, in the twisted psychopathy that passes for sense in the us world : kid gets a nice cage around the age of 3 or so. prevents penis from growing, which is +++. mom gives the key to a well
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467516 << my current understanding is that this is being done, but using dope, and without the off switch << AHA, prozac, zoloft, paxil and other SSRI drugs
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, now they see one of mine in 46.* but no longer yours. because there's a rule lol.
mircea_popescu: 164 46.101.246.115 ; 152 136.243.139.96 ; 72 148.251.151.71 ; 125 173.255.251.118 ; 95 181.171.213.172 ; << the offenders
mircea_popescu: and it's obviously an attempt at attrition seeing how the sockets receive no messages
mircea_popescu: basically there's a pile of derps connecting on all the ports. not so hard to blacklist i guess.
asciilifeform: 'Jean Liu, Didi's president, is the daughter of Liu Chuanzhi, the politically connected founder of Chinese computer maker Lenovo Group Ltd (0992.HK).'
asciilifeform: the 'let's talk plaintext to randos' thing was great while it lasted.
asciilifeform: not only hitler says he can't connect, but i can't either...
mircea_popescu: also note the "since 5 minutes ago". 46.* didn't blinl
ben_vulpes: especially after the buffet "america is best investmant!1" routine of the past five years?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 11:44 a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 07:50 mircea_popescu: ftr, that butnodes thing is not terribly reliable. 91.218.246.31, 46.166.160.36, 46.166.170.208 all online talking to the public, but it "doesn't see them".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467579 << 91* actually appears on that site's list (as of today), the other two do not - but i can't connect to them either. blackholed.
phf: (and since nobody should be arsed to read that shit, i'll spoil the names for you, "But Todd Combs, who joined Berkshire in 2011, and Ted Weschler, who arrived a year later", rest of article is a mix of head scratching and guarded apple praise)
phf: http://www.wsj.com/articles/buffetts-berkshire-takes-1-billion-position-in-apple-1463400389 << "just didn’t seem like a move Mr. Buffett would make. It wasn’t, as it turns out. Instead, it was among the largest investments yet by the two former hedge-fund managers that Mr. Buffett brought on board as potential successors to run his company’s $129 billion stock portfolio."
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the dept. of orl0lz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-negative-interest-rate-gap.html
mircea_popescu: anyone has any argument as to how exactly the "computer security" people aren't EXACTLY scammers ?
asciilifeform: ults in a remote heap overflow as root in the Symantec or Norton process. On Windows, this results in kernel memory corruption, as the scan engine is loaded into the kernel (wtf!!!), making this a remote ring0 memory corruption vulnerability - this is about as bad as it can possibly get.'
asciilifeform: 'When parsing executables packed by an early version of aspack, a buffer overflow can occur in the core Symantec Antivirus Engine used in most Symantec and Norton branded Antivirus products. ... This is a remote code execution vulnerability. Because Symantec use a filter driver to intercept all system I/O, just emailing a file to a victim or sending them a link is enough to exploit it. On Linux, Mac and other UNIX platforms, this res
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the dept. of Run Moar Winblowz: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=820
asciilifeform: the zookeepers aren't esp. interested in education, but in... domestication
mircea_popescu: cage is palpable, therefore educative.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 08:01 mircea_popescu: honestly, it's a surprise to me they haven't introduced cockcaging for us kids as of yet. for one thing, they're doing the entire fucktarded "can't drink till 21", so they definitely could. for the other thing, it'd make so much fucking sense, in the twisted psychopathy that passes for sense in the us world : kid gets a nice cage around the age of 3 or so. prevents penis from growing, which is +++. mom gives the key to a well
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467516 << my current understanding is that this is being done, but using dope, and without the off switch
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467578 << sorta works, for some value of work, some of the time. throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
ben_vulpes still has no idea what he's doing on the lordship, has barely adlai-grade snr
a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 07:50 mircea_popescu: ftr, that butnodes thing is not terribly reliable. 91.218.246.31, 46.166.160.36, 46.166.170.208 all online talking to the public, but it "doesn't see them".
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of mike_c from 4 to 4 << the right honorable lord c.
mircea_popescu: $rate mike_c 4 the right honorable lord c.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of ben_vulpes from 4 to 4 << the right honorable lord vulpes.
mircea_popescu: $rate ben_vulpes 4 the right honorable lord vulpes.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of jurov from 5 to 5 << his lordship the lord treasurer.
mircea_popescu: $rate jurov 5 his lordship the lord treasurer.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of davout from 4 to 5 << his lordship the master of common pleas.
mircea_popescu: $rate davout 5 his lordship the master of common pleas.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of asciilifeform from 5 to 5 << his lordship the lord admiral.
mircea_popescu: $rate asciilifeform 5 his lordship the lord admiral.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of danielpbarron from 3 to 4 << his worship the learned trishop.
mircea_popescu: $rate danielpbarron 4 his worship the learned trishop.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of diana_coman from 4 to 5 << her ladyship the marquess eulora.
mircea_popescu: $rate diana_coman 5 her ladyship the marquess eulora.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of hanbot from 5 to 5 << her ladyship the lady falconeer.
mircea_popescu: $rate hanbot 5 her ladyship the lady falconeer.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of mod6 from 5 to 5 << his lordship the lord high steward.
mircea_popescu: $rate mod6 5 his lordship the lord high steward.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of bingoboingo from 4 to 4 << his lordship the lord goebbels.
mircea_popescu: $rate bingoboingo 4 his lordship the lord goebbels.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of phf from 4 to 4 << his lordship the lord chancellor
mircea_popescu: $rate phf 4 his lordship the lord chancellor
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of trinque from 3 to 4 << his lordship the master of the rolls.
BingoBoingo: Or perhaps they will start on college campuses?
mircea_popescu: they already did the whole male genital mutilation thing "for medicine and science", no idea why not use the modern technology to enact the logical progress.
BingoBoingo: emoves the ethanol heat. High-proof liquors go down easier at low temperatures, resulting in beverages that taste as God intended, without all the burning. If you ever wondered why your uncle keeps his jug of Popov in the freezer, now you know."
BingoBoingo: Further sacrilege from that outlet: "That may sound steep for what looks like Tony Starks Keurig, but Beyond Zero could be the biggest thing in alcohol since the tiny umbrella. Unlike frozen water, when booze cubes melt they dont dilute a drink; and in fact, they make it colder, because they freeze at temperatures well below 32 degrees, when water turns to ice. The benefit: It really smooths a drink out, Sherman says. It r
mircea_popescu: brought up lady sometime, which maybe lets the little guy out a little now and again.
mircea_popescu: honestly, it's a surprise to me they haven't introduced cockcaging for us kids as of yet. for one thing, they're doing the entire fucktarded "can't drink till 21", so they definitely could. for the other thing, it'd make so much fucking sense, in the twisted psychopathy that passes for sense in the us world : kid gets a nice cage around the age of 3 or so. prevents penis from growing, which is +++. mom gives the key to a well
BingoBoingo: d ultimately ignore each other."
BingoBoingo: "Welcome to Beta Male, a new site from New York Media that for the next four weeks will talk about manly kinds of things, only maybe not in the usual manly way. And welcome to Mansplaining, a weeklong series on the Cut in which men will (finally) explain themselves to women, in any way they want. The convergence of these two offerings is coincidental but, we hope, serendipitous an opportunity for the sexes to talk, fight a little, an
mircea_popescu: ftr, that butnodes thing is not terribly reliable. 91.218.246.31, 46.166.160.36, 46.166.170.208 all online talking to the public, but it "doesn't see them".
BingoBoingo: In other news, that is a hell of an obstacle for that team to face on that race https://i.sli.mg/IL9ex0.jpg
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform has been looking, it appears to be - like the other snowdeniana - mostly rubbish << Saw, seemed to be my take, slept on it and still mulling it over
mircea_popescu: based apparently on some derpy genre fiction by a fellow named joe dever. he's not very good, and his purply prose somewhat brings it down. if only they had someone who could write. but otherwise, the execution is outright brilliant
mircea_popescu: and speaking of heresy : "lone wolf" for the ishits is an incredible game. it actually makes the platform all by itself. i'm ranking it up there with baldur's gate and the gothic series, it's an absolute gem.
mircea_popescu: btw, "generalnvo shtaba" was always the fucking lulziest thing. because, obvious, in ro shtab denotes... well what you'd call a catamite.
asciilifeform: sole purpose is to fill the back row.
asciilifeform: sorta like the dark skinned turks in mircea_popescu's mosque
asciilifeform: jew means quite other thing in su.
mircea_popescu: alf the fell-through-teh-jew-cracks
mircea_popescu: afaik they let orcs in that sorta job.
asciilifeform: because - i suppose - items like 'i designed the levels for the game xxxxxxxxx' might give the name away
asciilifeform: he even censored some of the humour column 'where i used to work before nsa' things
asciilifeform: ask the greencocksucker
mircea_popescu: ~the only people that are getting shot. otherwise, hitler himself usually pivots into court jester job.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how the fuck are "low leve functionaries" innocent
asciilifeform: https://theintercept.com/snowden-sidtoday/2830111-mathematician-an-insider-s-view << the first snowden-anything that even ~mentions~ crypto, afaik
asciilifeform: from the l0lchest,
asciilifeform: ... how about the imbecile's ~own~ reputation ?
asciilifeform: 'There are also documents in the archive that we do not believe should be published because of the severe harm they would cause innocent people (e.g., private communications intercepted by NSA, the disclosure of which would destroy privacy rights; and documents containing government speculation about bad acts committed by private individuals (typically from marginalized communities), the disclosure of which would permanently destroy
asciilifeform: sop for the greenwalders.
asciilifeform: 'Consistent with the requirements of our agreement with our source, our editors and reporters have carefully examined each document, redacted names of low-level functionaries and other information that could impose serious harm on innocent individuals, and given the NSA an opportunity to comment on the documents to be published (the NSA’s comments resulted in no redactions other than two names of relatively low-level employees that
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://theintercept.com/snowden-sidtoday << qntra ?
mircea_popescu: aite, im bringing a coupla more online / in the open.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-16 21:08 asciilifeform: the quasi-mythical 'seeeekrit evidence' nodes which connect directly to mines, etc. - not.
asciilifeform: the latter - old mpb node spoken of last year
asciilifeform: the former is old dulap iirc
mircea_popescu: so what's the officialdom now, 46.166 54.187 an' what, 72.83 ?
mircea_popescu: o ffs. neither the 216. nor the 173. that this node's startline wants it to addnode actually exist in that list.
mircea_popescu: so i'm guessing the restarter failed in some speshul manner.
mircea_popescu: from one of the afflicted systems
mircea_popescu: well, i have no idea why my nodes are offline. i also have not the time/patience to check up on them daily like they were carrying my child or some shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform funny, of the 5, two are kind-of behind also
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in theory
asciilifeform: the quasi-mythical 'seeeekrit evidence' nodes which connect directly to mines, etc. - not.
asciilifeform: as for whether the network is enumerable, the ~public~ subset - the kind of node which answers to all-comers, e.g., my nodez - certainly are.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-16 20:46 ben_vulpes: haven't we had this thread before, of that the network is not paricularly enumerable, and with the malleability of version strings that counting them is somewhat less than pointless?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467401 << it is rather like saying that it is pointless to ask 'are you a girl', because folks might lie
asciilifeform: or my nodes (which drop all heathens) would not register.
asciilifeform: 21's thing does not issue heathen commands
asciilifeform: trinque: quite a bit of blackhole on my nodez, since more or less the beginning
trinque: it is however keeping up with the blockchain, so perhaps I've got say... a curated connection to the network :p
trinque: though as I check its log, there is a great deal of "socket no message in first 60 seconds"
trinque: deedbot.org isn't on there, was
ben_vulpes: haven't we had this thread before, of that the network is not paricularly enumerable, and with the malleability of version strings that counting them is somewhat less than pointless?
BingoBoingo: For some reason the won't count mine
asciilifeform: they count mine, wut
asciilifeform: and one of these 5 is even a shitazon node
asciilifeform: and they are both mine.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467378 << i must point out that, at least on same nazi site, the count of trb nodez is also record low - 5
BingoBoingo: <phf> 1,6k is for a standalone, i'm sure rowhouses are cheaper. they have a few standalones for sale, dc- "cheap" 600k or so << lol, divide by 3 or 4 for cheap here
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/2cfe374f716d192499c74962ce6516a7/tumblr_n8k6j7jjMO1richhno1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: (but since we digressed - and this ineptitude leads them into all sorts of lulz. for instance, SPEECH was protected by constitution. as in, the activity of gossipd. not WRIT, such as an imaginary right to publish slander. etc.)
mircea_popescu: (except englishtards, being idiots as awlays, use "speech" to denote precisely not-speech, ie writ. precisely because they used writ for some legalese arcana five century prior. but we digress.)
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the way communication works irl is precisely like contemplated gossipd scheme, and exactly NOT like bbs/irc/webetc.
mircea_popescu: group of girlies walking down the street, you see one you like, and talk to her. the other idiots you don't care about giggle or w/e. so ?
asciilifeform: in this case could be 10 hitlers, but we aren't tuning them in
mircea_popescu: ex bf ? mother ? hitler ? do you care ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where on planet gossipd do we find equivalent of ' mircea_popescu and asciilifeform in a channel of 10,000 people they don't know '
mircea_popescu: and it's how things work irl, also. that they don't work that way online is because online is fucktarded beyond conception.
mircea_popescu: but if i'm not, i'll never know. the situation where i'm friends to you, and you say hi to me in a channel of 10`000 people i don't know ; and the situation where i'm friends with you and you say hi to me in a pm are identical.
mircea_popescu: if you said it in pm to me... then you say it once, to me.
mircea_popescu: if you say it in #trilema which is an alias for (me you and phf) then you said it 3x : once to each
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no such thing as "to X Y", gossipd being a pairwise protocol.
mircea_popescu: obviously, nothing prevents you from running firehose mode. but , just like wireshark makes no guarantee as to the literary or poetic merits of random wire captures,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you certainly ~do~ hear message that is to you,x,y,z,hitler unless specced otherwise
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only way there can 'be no such thing' is if your wot is a clique.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. you can not possibly hear the talk to and from outsiders. you just discard all that.
mircea_popescu: phf there's no such thing.
asciilifeform: exactly like a usenet group in 1995 where you have a good chunk of the participants killfiled
asciilifeform: phf: in the algo proposed by mircea_popescu, you will hear the tx side (A sends to me,x,y,z,..,B) but not the replies (B sends to A,...his wot...,)
asciilifeform: let's express in proper mathematical pieces,
asciilifeform: yeah but there is a sharp edge:
mircea_popescu: in fact, their derpy "secret services" universally aspire (and universally fail) to be exactly this.
mircea_popescu: if however you pick the whores you entertain carefully, it's empowering to a degree uknown by nazi derps.
mircea_popescu: gossip irl works exactly the same way, if you just talk to the woman your parents picked and your cousins, it's suicideware.
asciilifeform: somewhere there was a thread...
a111: Logged on 2016-05-16 14:43 mircea_popescu: and the (otherwise spurious) concept of "a chan" reduces to "a list of specified broadcast recipients".
mircea_popescu: let's talk of something else. the richest korea makes my stomach turn.
mircea_popescu: gotta give the gurlz SOME WAY to wash ffs.
mircea_popescu: the insanity of having fixed-above-head showerhead and no bidets makes me fucking wonder how exactly do ustards eat cunt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are ~unknown in english world