asciilifeform: jurov: understand that the blade of conspiratorial conjecture has ~two~ edges.
asciilifeform: jurov: he easily could have sold the 'unsellable' 25%, by ~promising the coin~ in the future.
jurov: he had 25% that was not on mpex thus not possible to sell. then he got another 25% which was *supposed to be sold to public*
asciilifeform: but if he sold the bulk of his bbet holding ahead of time, then yes, it was a betrayal
asciilifeform: and you are the goose.
asciilifeform: which is likewise why not having mpex acct never especially bothered me.
asciilifeform: i explained years ago that i never expect to sell my s.nsa shares, no matter how the thing goes -- for this reason.
asciilifeform: but think about it, if the business consists of ~you, and you quietly sell shares to randos and remove all incentive for yourself to do your duty...
mp_at_olivos: let me give you the top layout for incredilolz Ñ
mp_at_olivos: but it plays the role of single quote, much like % is a question mark.
asciilifeform: where they don't even speak sp ?
asciilifeform: what the living phuck is ç even doing on a sp kbd ?!
mp_at_olivos: motherfucker, im pissing utf everywhere like a cancerous half shark in seawater
asciilifeform: (naggum had punctuation chars ~in the middle~, vertically)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:24 asciilifeform: <kakobrekla> and yes there were bbet logs!
mp_at_olivos: hey, it´s what they have here. SOBERANIA NACIONAL!!!11
asciilifeform: woah mp on a heathen machine
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mp_at_olivos: nah, "bitcoin banker" back in the days mp was stuck proving to the "community" of imbeciles that no.
asciilifeform: was that the bitvps kid ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:55 asciilifeform: how could he lift the assets if mp was treasurer ?
mp_at_olivos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471281 plain fraud, like anything else. this year sold shares to whatever buyers, next year burned the thing down. hurr.
asciilifeform: simply that the man is likely laughing all the way to the fiatolade fountain with his 670.
asciilifeform: (because they were gone, likely)
mp_at_olivos: asciilifeform: i don´t know if anyone is or isn´t. but that´s besides the point.
mp_at_olivos: or, as the story goes, http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/
mp_at_olivos: this practically means he´s bankrupt, and dealing with the bankrupt is always a risky proposition for the mindful businessman.
mp_at_olivos: iirc bitbet traded easily 4x that, and of course there´ll be whatever fees there´ll be.
mp_at_olivos: and should they actually decide to pursue that, the 670 btc he made off with wouldn´t suffice to cover even the principal.
mp_at_olivos: nevertheless, that solution does not provide him any indemnity for his idiotic behaviour. to my eyes the shareholders have decent claims for destruction of value against him,
asciilifeform: how could he lift the assets if mp was treasurer ?
mp_at_olivos: but this nonsense aside, the fact remains that as far as contracts are concerned, kakobrekla´s idea of bitbet wind down was for him to run off with the assets.
mp_at_olivos: this could be "saddam has wmds!!11" for the same exact contortion value.
mp_at_olivos: but honestly the only thing that comes to mind looking at it is, how the fuck are all the fruits of the socialist tree always the same identical shit.
mp_at_olivos: obviously, there´s a peculiar path through the lies we´re suggested to take as per the usual "modern democracy" or "science" or whatever the fuck,
mp_at_olivos: the one thing it can´t be is actually true.
mp_at_olivos: the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely
mp_at_olivos: anyway, since i got a little time here, to round off the whole bitbet thing
asciilifeform: unless map lies to me, olivos is just the upper chunk of ba
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: <kakobrekla> its how i implemented some of the anti-ddos features - need logs for that
asciilifeform: <kakobrekla> and yes there were bbet logs!
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
mircea_popescu: there's a new faq page coming up, give it a day or two
Framedragger: asciilifeform: is there some short write-up introducing phuctor? i see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1331 and http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/theory - i want to provide a link to hosting providers to substantiate the "responsible netscanning" efforts (as naive as it sounds).
Framedragger: ..i'm sorry to have to keep repeating myself, but i can't fucking resist: got another "abuse complaint" from www.cert.br; the entirety (non-snipped / non-excerpted) evidence it sites is (s/some_ip/[source_ip]): http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4901af69-4295-411b-8bcb-84220a53b8b3/ - that's right, THREE PACKETS
mircea_popescu: mebbe. depends on the work involved.
mircea_popescu: so now : we found the extra prime, 561001871.
mircea_popescu: ok so here's the wonder asciilifeform :
mircea_popescu: the fugly argentine ex president ?!
asciilifeform: also i had dream with motherfucking ~kirschner~ in it
mircea_popescu: ima go shake out these three numbers now and see.
asciilifeform: prime num theorem, etc
mircea_popescu: well yes, because the probability of 5 being a factor is 1/5 and of 17 1/17, so three times rarer.
asciilifeform: then!
mircea_popescu: these primes must then be some pretty fuckingmagical primes, and not the result of rand seeding.
BingoBoingo: d categorize trending news in the past. Recode provides some examples, writing, "[Facebook] will no longer use its "1K list," a group of 1,000 websites it used to help verify headlines." Facebook will also get rid of several top publications, including the New York Times and CNN.
BingoBoingo: In other not quite news: Facebook is revamping how editors find trending stories. "We could not fully exclude the possibility of isolated improper actions or unintentional bias in the implementation of our guidelines or policies," Facebook general Counsel Colin Stretch wrote. Of course, Facebook is going to train the human editors who work on their trending section; they're also going to abandon several automated tools it used to find an
mircea_popescu: so if the product of primes up to x shook out a composite that includes NO OTHER FACTORS than the primes already found through mutual gcd'ing of extant keys
mircea_popescu: you'll have to explain this to me again, i just thought the 8ball is a product of primes up to x
asciilifeform: the only way it worx
asciilifeform: yer making a good case for massaging out the primez
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, gotta stir the pot if they are going to make a black spring happen in Baltimore
mircea_popescu: ie, an individual usg black dude sided with the usg side.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << so in the end ... the police gang fucked over the black gang. ok.... ? << In court. Cop dude skipped a jury and had a judge try the case. A *black* judge!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "Im all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. << Seriously
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471126 << the academitards had their entirely own nlp...
mircea_popescu: ok, but the gcd output of oh.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 12:57 mircea_popescu: o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ?
mircea_popescu: "the historical justification for human sacrificing was the theory gods care" "i don't agree gods even exist" "Sooo ?"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:33 mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:36 mircea_popescu: QUANTUM JUST MEANS DISCRETE MOTHERFUCKERS!
funkenstein_: liquidation complete, lemme know if I can be of further service
mircea_popescu: o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ?
mircea_popescu: and then the way they spring it on you, too, you know, like it's the most natural thing in the world.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 02:44 BingoBoingo: Ah, the news I was waiting for http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4462
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471079 << so in the end ... the police gang fucked over the black gang. ok.... ?
mircea_popescu: "Im all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs.
mircea_popescu: like the guy was asking yest "am i still welcome here", what the fuck do i care what they do to it. they can take the thing and put it through a leetspeak converter for all i care, what diff does it make.
Framedragger: ..and then they render to pdf. but yeah good people also link to tex source on their websites, true..
mircea_popescu: seriously, someone who uses pdf is a mathematician in the sense condolezza rice was an expert and obama a nobel prize winner.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: but this means you preemptively dismiss, say (as an offhand example), lotsa mathematicians who put their stuff as preprints on arXiv and the likes. (generated with free software and renderable with free software (but, yes, using a shitty proprietary-wannabe format nonetheless))
mircea_popescu: except bureaucrat is the new nigger.
mircea_popescu: er speech in 1750, because who the fuck cares what some voodoo practitioners think of any topic whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: but i don't read them out of principle, yeah. nothing to do with security per se, it's all political. in general i don't wish to encourage adobe ("oh, we couldn't do without them" bullshit, it's exactly the "Social media network effect matters" sole argument of usg it corporatardia) and in particular i don't think very much of what someone who expresses themselves in pdf might think or say. much like i wouldn't have read nigg
mircea_popescu: Framedragger asciilifeform had some sort of convertor either.
mircea_popescu: fucking academia. in the rare cases they have a sane link, it's because they couldn't link to a list of pdfs from within their excel spreadsheet.
Framedragger: /me off for the time being
mircea_popescu: well, maybe not mathematiclaly "any", but...
Framedragger: all in academic circles (i can hear our snort from here heh:D ) resolve it to the other reference, mind you
mircea_popescu: you know, how to pick up sluts in the 80s
Framedragger: heheh.. natural language folks actually employ NLP all the time, though it's become a bit of a catch-all shitty acronym, like A.I.
mircea_popescu: check this shit out omg, they're "taking it back" http://nlp.stanford.edu/static/img/logos/nlp-logo-small.gif
mircea_popescu: (ftr my idea was to enumerate all words that appear more than once less than a dozen times in the whole article body, then consider "related" articles which diverge from the average in the same way on the same words, with arbitrary cut-offs. none of which is anything but 1800 tech)
mircea_popescu: or maybe something something relativistic something ? another word they raped with the flaming globes of zigmund.
mircea_popescu: or maybe it's schroedingerian flow, ie, it's only there if you don't look. like social media utility.
Framedragger: some time ago upon enquiring on his work i was told to read http://anthology.aclweb.org/J/J15/J15-1004.pdf and http://nlp.stanford.edu/projects/natlog.shtml but i can't recommend in good faith, for i haven't read myself. nevertheless should be relevant stuff. but not at implementation-ready-to-use-level...
mircea_popescu: wtf is "quantum info flow" supposed to even be ? what random exotic property of subatomic scale did they arbitrarily decide to use the wrong word for ? is it lorenzian flow, ie, if you face it head on you discover there's really not that much, for it somehow contracts, whereas from aside it seemed like there's a lot ? i noticed this property!
mircea_popescu: QUANTUM JUST MEANS DISCRETE MOTHERFUCKERS!
Framedragger: lol @ title on that cs.ox page "meets quantum info flow".. it's just that they use cool shit from category theory, tensors, etc.. but need to be careful not to be drawn into believing a priori what the people in the tower say
mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: friend actually wrote is masters thesis on this iirc (not that you care about appeals to bureaucracy, i know) on this, i can later check for linx. new shit in town is compositional distributional models of semantics. see http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/activities/compdistmeaning/ - also i can dig up our application for funding for doing what you want to do i think :D
mircea_popescu: generally, linking societal preeminence to phenotype has the major disadvantage that men (and no, NOT women, as the claim is currently fashionable among wanna-be republicans without the republic) broadly prefer to fuck socially inferior women.
mircea_popescu: a large factor that collapsed "the quaint institution" (from the pov of the insiders, mind, who cares what foreigners think) was the sheer inability of distinguishing at the edges. "why is this white man black ?" "book sez so"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 02:57 funkenstein_: "Nero is white and Porter is black. " <-- they reference no measurements of epidermal albedo. how disappointing, we find that such an important detail
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 04:13 mod6: well, I've got tbot now checking if a person is in L1, and if they are currently voiced before it'll answer commands: http://dpaste.com/3GA9QJJ.txt
mod6: well, I've got tbot now checking if a person is in L1, and if they are currently voiced before it'll answer commands: http://dpaste.com/3GA9QJJ.txt
funkenstein_: "Nero is white and Porter is black. " <-- they reference no measurements of epidermal albedo. how disappointing, we find that such an important detail
funkenstein_: Lafond: "who cares about the details of the case, lets discuss the melination of those involved"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hey mike_c what's the outlook on btcalpha update ?
mircea_popescu: but in general, the whole fucking exercise was a lengthy, tedious story of "gimme".
mircea_popescu: among others, the one where he wanted to get the proceeds of the house bets as free money.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's public, review the process to your satisfaction.
mircea_popescu: well yes, you missed. because when a shithead tries to steal from me it's not news. but when a shithead lies about the reverse, your ears perk up.
mircea_popescu: fella has been saying versions of this since february, and got shown to have actually lied in the discovery process, to the syndic, for a profit motive.
mircea_popescu: what, "oh no, someone bought me a drink here once, i now own the place" or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: go around derping, who knows, maybe someone buys it. and if they do - all the better, for everyone involved.
mircea_popescu: eh, it's the nature of the job, let the man work himself sore. gotta earn one's keep for once in his fucking life neh ?
asciilifeform: i still wish i knew why mircea_popescu gave kakobrekla a claw hammer with which the latter will work for years trying to pry off anything insufficiently nailed down in tmsr.
asciilifeform: i proclaimed that it is not his fault tho, and that the graph is an intrinsic ball of yarn.
asciilifeform: with the function flow
asciilifeform: it was the trb source callgraph
mircea_popescu: ah ah with the callgraph stuff. ie what phf ended up doing himself ?
mircea_popescu: i'm trying to recall who the guy is/was.
solrodar: and more significantly, the guy made me think about new things for a year or so
asciilifeform: solrodar: gonna send back the prize money ?
gribble: adlai was last seen in #trilema 3 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <adlai> either 60 "random" words have nothing to do with my life, or my basal ganglia are still swimming in lsd.
asciilifeform: what of these.
asciilifeform: there is a rome and even odessa in usa.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : there was such a thing as "transylvania" in the old us ; attested for instance in the "transylvania purchase".
asciilifeform: in south a, they are presumably descendants of ww2 folx
mircea_popescu: is there such a thing ?
mircea_popescu: nope. and they also have german villages in romania, fwiw.
asciilifeform: speaking of, if i lived in s america, i would definitely try to at least sneak a peek at the german villages
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im thinking bayesian "rule system" / markov chains based off the next girl's brain wavery./
mircea_popescu: then you could do various brainscan-to-vr combinations, and publish as "artificial intelligence" also
asciilifeform: what'll the headsets do
mircea_popescu: actually i suppose one should be a darling and a) add VR headests to the girls and b) add lsd at the top.
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mircea_popescu: (tie womenz to stairwell, connect one's urethral intubation to the one below's laringeal intubation. pour cider in the mouthpipe of the topmost one)
mircea_popescu: if porn weren't so fucking dead, i might be making some avantgarde anatomy explorations. such as the female stairwell.
mircea_popescu: and in other mechanic's news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9mojeF5Nt1qmqccso1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and as he's hurling through the air, his doppler-effected voice can be heard going "now that's what i caaall a blooowjoooobbbb"
mircea_popescu: so moments later the boa spits it out, and the rabbit goes flying over a large arc quarter mile wide
mircea_popescu: but fucking angora rabbit you know, all that fur, doesn't sit well with the snake
mircea_popescu: eventually he finds some people willing to do it. so they put the little rabbit in a room with this eighteen foot monster of a snake
mircea_popescu: so first borthel is like gtfo, it'll eat you and who's gonna pay ?
mircea_popescu: angora rabbit goes to brothel. he asks for a blowjob
mircea_popescu: there is this derpy episode when he wrote to some french wing to dissolve and go join whatever local socialists ; the plan "succeeded" because they were kicked out but when they got kicked out there were 300 of them, so SICK GAINZ!
mircea_popescu: no recognizable "us" exists in the process, except if one's so culturally acclimated in the 1990s su mentality as to be able to reconstruct the world in their eyes.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 15:27 mircea_popescu: ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself.
mircea_popescu: the collecting of defectors, as a perceived phenomena, is imo best explained by the internal duality of the very defectors in question, fighting with their own demons.
asciilifeform: and i have nfi what the motivation for vacuuming up most of the relevant folk, was. my entire point was that the motivation remains, to me, a mystery.
mircea_popescu: my thinking is that this is a passive thing - the usg wasn't collecting them more than the sewer collects pearl necklaces.
mircea_popescu: and on the other hand, i don't admit that 'stealing people for the sake of stealing', whatever may mean, is either related to what we were discussing or a useful method to approach the subject matter we were discussing.
mircea_popescu: look - the blunders of usg post taliban beheading in 2001 are not more meaningful nor worthy of investigation in the direct sense than the movement of a salted snail. so i don't admit that whatever post 2001 example of behaviour or anecdotal poit of evidence may be used as part of a larger construction of ideas.
asciilifeform: was re 'stealing people for the sake of stealing'
mircea_popescu: anyway, i feel dumber for having dug up into the unfunny pit of usg-ian unintentional comedy. was there a point to this excursion ?
mircea_popescu: ie, what if the black dude were a white blond girl claiming rape ?
mircea_popescu: "everyone knows" etc. anyway : the sterling dude had his discrimination suit thrown out of court because "sikrits". much more interesting angle than all the rest - where's the limit of "human rights" ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, J.A. Parker's apology / trashing of the da should be mandatory reading for anyone on this "usg can do things in its own courts" tack.
mircea_popescu: ^ equally lulzy case. accused of things, govt failed to prove ; eventually they settled, guy got 1.6mn out of the deal.
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee << Wen Ho Lee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.wenholee.org/ << WenHoLee.org | | http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/04/us/the-making-of-a-suspect-the-case-of-wen-ho-lee.html?pagewanted=all << The Making of a Suspect - The Case of Wen Ho Lee - NYTimes.com
mircea_popescu: these are unrelated matters.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "operation merlin" was one of the countless usg ss blunders cca 1998 ; it actually did something cca 2001 ; described in a 2010 book, for which some black dude was sentenced to jail in 2015.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we're still speaking of the same man, the thing played out in 1990s
mircea_popescu: the whole idiocy of this construction - so the iranians were not going to compare the designs with other designs ?
asciilifeform: what's the man gonna do if he decides 60k is chump change ? defect to zimbabwe instead ?
asciilifeform: why would they.
mircea_popescu: i recall now, the supposed.... whatever the fuck it was, bizarro clinton thing with iran. almost exactly the same quality of secret service work as the "saddam has wmds" thing.
asciilifeform: the scam itself was circa '90s
a111: Logged on 2015-01-29 06:08 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/jurors-tell-judge-they-cant-agree-in-cia-leak-trial-of-jeffrey-sterling/2015/01/26/db819f78-a57c-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1
asciilifeform: the detonator guy
asciilifeform digs futilely in l0gz for the story
asciilifeform: recall, it was the opposite
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, how it usually works, the dudette then goes to the inept-woman-chorus and they wail for a while.
mircea_popescu: but the whole nonsense is wholly predicated on the inner self-representatons of an intellect divorced from reality for a long while.
mircea_popescu: the courts of common pleas are full of this inept bullshit, usually dudette with absolutely nothing going for her argues that "company allowed her to interview to steal her ideas and give them to X team of theirs".
asciilifeform: well the interesting bit, iirc, is that it was not 'job interview' in the customary sense, usg had no intention of actually using the fella in the stated capacity, they simply wanted a plausible-looking piece of shit to 'hangout leak' to ir. so they took his, and munged the component values for good measure
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, yet another dude that failed his job interview, notwithstanding that he came "highly qualified" and "he had bills to pay". that ?
asciilifeform: iirc there was a specific report of what milking consisted of - he was sent to los alamos and asked to design detonator for nuke, and told that it would be tried, and had better be of quality
mircea_popescu: so then what do oyu mean by "milked" ?
asciilifeform: the one sent to ir with doctored schematics, which he 'helpfully' fixed en route
mircea_popescu: now so is she : http://67.media.tumblr.com/f9572b46436c5b017d74d800a261fda4/tumblr_mlf1themP61rw4i4so1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: he is in the l0gz...
mircea_popescu: now, i can appreciate you personally wish to look at things in this "management doesn't matter and doesn't exist, so no difference should be made between gasteropode and man", but this is really nonsense. there is such difference, and it's called a spine.
mircea_popescu: no, looky. if the case is that the knowledge vessel was a jwz, which is to say all juice no politics, then the truthful rendition of the situation is, that the knowledge in question was removed from its unstable situation, to a more sensible one. otherwise, if the vessel in question is a balanced construction, the attempts to "remove" run into the age old "nsa can't hold bitcoin and stay nsa" issue as discussed in the logs.
asciilifeform: 'emptied', to somebody running agents, is sort of same as empty applied to bottle of vodka - yes, '40 drops rule', you can keep shaking it and get >0 output almost asymptotically infinitely - but at some point the expense of the effort is > yield
mircea_popescu: anyway, to make that obscurity clearer : sentence structure is agent - verb - object - 2nd object. agent denies to x y. the agent = the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; the verb = denied ; the object = himself. "the "su item" as a projection of his own" is a third party, 2nd object.
mircea_popescu: yes, and that'd be the obviosu construction, but i'm unpersuaded. it dun fit.
asciilifeform: there is also 'steal first, fence later'
mircea_popescu: ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself.
asciilifeform: i was speaking of a very concrete notion of value - that is, to the taker
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe it was really the italian thing ; except in a larger system composed of (individual-su space) vs (individual-us space)
mircea_popescu: value is merely an arbitrary, coincidental property of meaning. they stand in a relation similar to the relation the question "what;s the sun's value to us" stands with the question "what's the sun's meaning for us".
asciilifeform: i always saw it as a 'deny them to the enemy' thing but possibly it was really the italian thing ?
asciilifeform: just to set them up with taxi in nyc
asciilifeform: recall usa pumping out the ru maths, physics, etc folks ?
asciilifeform: the italian painting example actually rings a bell
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "worth" and "value" like you keep advancing them. there's only meaning.
mircea_popescu: but the discussion mayn't reduce to this. mere lateral example.
mircea_popescu: well, before buldozing you take the contents out right ?
asciilifeform: but the contents ?!
asciilifeform: i could even see cn 'we shall bulldoze north american for liebensraum!1111' or the like
mircea_popescu: it's not hidden, and it's not valuable. it's just there.
asciilifeform: i.e. the hidden, still-valuable thing worth taking.
asciilifeform: i'd like to know where in usa is the horse.
mircea_popescu: you're stealing the thing you're stealing, not its meaning to some arbitrarily chosen party. cunt is cunt and stays cunt, even if currently in a bored, tedious marriage.
mircea_popescu: to imagine that a horse in the barn requires a man to steal, but the same horse out in the field "is not so strongly owned so even a toad could steal it" is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the premise said "of infinite power".
mircea_popescu: something very close to what tmsr demonstrates on a daily basis when "hey, here's a hole, who wants to fuck it" gets a hot rod ramming it within the day.
BingoBoingo: There's prolly a shed frull of cremains somewhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not so much power required, you said yourself, ru was cheap at the time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, the premise is not to be violated. when the fuck did soros become that powerful.