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mircea_popescu: see, but any construction of identity in terms other than pseudonimity (such as, "issuing" of "id" as opposed to generating rsa key) is merely a ploy by the socialist state, designed specifically to introduce a red herring in the conversation.
Framedragger: right you are; i was mixing the terms to further my point
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: Pseudonymity is different. You ARE the pseudonym.
Framedragger: but it's possible to maintain stable pseudo identities in groups of people wherein those identities are recognized for what they do; etc etc.
Framedragger: yeah. i mean one day i'll grow balls and get out of my comfort zone of sorta-pseudo-anonymity. your points are valid here, even though i think it's possible to do useful/productive work under pseudo/anonymity. this doesn't work if you require the *world* to recognize your awesomeness, of course :)
mircea_popescu: odds are you'll get killed ; but the only certainty is the socialist state won't survive.
mircea_popescu: the correct, if obviously harder, path is to be someone AND do something. and if they bitch, escalate, indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, if you go by this currently fashionable "i'll aim to be nobody and call it privacy ; and to do nothing worth the mention and call it security", the only certainty is that you'll be nobody and have done nothing, which is exactly the fucking purpose of the socialist state - death in your time.
mircea_popescu: if you're important enough then sentimentalities of sysadmins will be ignored. << this, incidentally, isn't a matter of neglect ; it is a matter of design. consider it works exactly as a sort of "training for unimportance".
mircea_popescu: and there are wolves that don't eat your sheep. nice.
Framedragger: fair enough. but i also tell you that there are hosting providers which say fuck you to LE of specific states; but ultimately it boils down to the same security question: "how important are you?" - if you're important enough then sentimentalities of sysadmins will be ignored.
mircea_popescu: that's the ultimate meaning of all the christian blundering to date : they were trying to build the republic and had nfi.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, the classical imprecation to not build yourself fortunes/castles/a life atop the vanities of the fiat world ; but instead collect your fortune, house and life in the WoT stands quite exactly.)
mircea_popescu: or, as the classical expression goes, vanitas vanitatum.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole point : that until and unless ~we~ actulaly do a thing, all the other things are EXACTLY all the same.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what do you mean "it's not all the same" ? it IS all the same ; what's gonna happen, they're going to get a supoena and they're going to say fuck you, and shoot the issuing judge ?
Framedragger: Live Support | Thomas: Yes, sure, we allow. Give us money and we host you and we will **** the german police
BingoBoingo: I am adds to tmsr.vocab not the word we want, but the word we need.
Framedragger: "i am not aware of any services that can be considered bulletproof much like i'm not aware of any electoral process that can be considered representative, any computer code that can be considered correct or any fiat financial item that can be considered not a scam." << i see your point and i agree, however it's probably not "all of the same"; e.g. 2x4.ru have a reputation of being more hardcore; i know this sounds naive and it probably i
Framedragger: "i am not aware of any services that can be considered bulletproof much like i'm not aware of any electoral process that can be considered representative, any computer code that can be considered correct or any fiat financial item that can be considered not a scam." << i see your point and i agree, however it's probably not "all of the same";
BingoBoingo discovered a new word cleaning pending qntra comments: legix! As in Mt Gox was the most legix exchange.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; they all look ~same
mircea_popescu: i was convinced the occasional slut is also one of teh tilly sisters
shinohai: Got to be the same woman, has the most annoying voice, was also in mallrats
mircea_popescu: which one is that ? iirc it had one of the tilly sisters in it
a111: Logged on 2016-05-27 11:50 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, anyone saw "chasing amy" ? the piece of shit is iiiiincredible in terms of sheer soviet propagandaness, it's basically a 1997 intro manual for how to be a "sensitive" aka dickless libtard boi.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah of course - i just meant that any LT servers cannot be considered to be "bullet-proof"; but maybe you were not aiming for the latter in terms of phuctor hosting anyway
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : fig.co (supposedly, "kickstarter for games").
mircea_popescu: and, as a sad testament of just how fucking stupid usians actually are/were, it'd seem they mostly bought it, too.
mircea_popescu: replete with "asa da!" / "asa nu!" miniscenes, "ask amy" cameos and all the rest of the stupid. total fucking wow.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, anyone saw "chasing amy" ? the piece of shit is iiiiincredible in terms of sheer soviet propagandaness, it's basically a 1997 intro manual for how to be a "sensitive" aka dickless libtard boi.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i honestly don't give a shit what small national governments think they're doing or not doing or whatever. "lithuania" the subject of law is as unrecognized as usg is. no relation to anything, no power to anything, they can write bluntman and chronic comics about how "it is" an' "keep it real" if they so wish.
Framedragger: i think i once contacted them about running a tor exit node there, they had said well if you put in your own reverse dns info for the ip block we give you then we 100% don't give a shit
Framedragger: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ohey i know this hosting company :D the physical server is probably in šiauliai, a small town with good uplink heh
asciilifeform: and when i look at them they look back like humanbeings
asciilifeform: it is astonishing, the gurlz have faces
trinque: gets better the further you are from mordor
asciilifeform: aaaaaand i shit thee not, beggar chick has sign '.....small business...'
asciilifeform: aaaah finally done for the day.
mircea_popescu: phf hey did you know your -> last doesn't woirk unless i say "first" there first ?
mircea_popescu: phf somehow describes a sane process. seems incredibru anything'd still work in teh usistan, but there goes.
asciilifeform: phf: what's the origin event ?
phf: it's the DC way!
phf: i rarely meet anybody from dc in dc, but plenty of people from ohia, illinois, .. on my recent trip to south carolina i actually got to witness The Origin Event. went to a bbq place not far from a college, monday, 4pm or so, bartenders are two girls in their 20s, there's a dc brah looking guy sitting at a bar with a track girl, both on their 4th beer and 3rd shot. guy talking at audience "yeah, i'm going to move to dc next year, i like
phf: asciilifeform: there's a feeder track for pretty girls who make it to dc, and unless you're part of that circuit you're not going to interact with them much. chicago and elsewhere you're observing them in their natural habitat. untamed, grazing.
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trinque: $google tits cunt fuck piss shit motherfucker cocksucker
asciilifeform is off to do the thing for which he came to these lands. bbl
mircea_popescu: (in other unrelated lolz : an item pompously styled "european parliament" has been meeting since 1979 ; it was elected through the european equivalent of clipping cereal coupons for a magic decoder ring ; participation has been dropping EVERY TIME CONSECUTIVELY SINCE THEN, and has been under 50% for about two decades by now).
mircea_popescu: to the untrained eye, flotsam also self-propels.
asciilifeform: and shovel the dough
asciilifeform: problem with this theory is that folks ~do~ propel towards d.c. - seeking to take part in great works of reich administration
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 20:44 mircea_popescu: listen, romanian tv exists ~ for a single reason : so a group of like minded twentysomething chicks can advertise they're available. goes ~500 bucks unless you're very weird.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in burbank is the closest thing the us has to a tv station (as described in now classic thread of eysterday, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471909 )
mircea_popescu: so then in the hole, ugly horsefaces are sucked ; cuz for all their "journalism" and "independence" they lack autopropulsion, so they just end up where the waves push
mircea_popescu: look up chloe sevigny, she's the ur-example for this generation.
mircea_popescu: yes. it's called "the not secret train that drags all almost-not-ugly chicks to burbank"
asciilifeform: because i think there must be...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there a seekrit train in usa that ships all the ugly chix east?
mircea_popescu: dude ended the bank that started argentina.
mircea_popescu: anyone remember nick leeson these days ?
asciilifeform: for some reason i was the only one in the crowd who tried to play with the beast
mircea_popescu: i'm just preparing a string of these q's for the future historians. "are you picking up chix!?" "are you fucking a dude ?!" "did you just shoot that guy ?!?!?!"
asciilifeform: it isn't as if i went to some seekrit shamballa, other folks can come and see also.
mircea_popescu: (for the foreigner : argentina's current flag consists of a golden sun atop the flag of their version of the shitparty ; the federales were roughly speaking equivalents of the us federalist party ; their flag was the flag of artigas (vertical blue white blue diagonal upleft downright red))
mircea_popescu: most argentards i talk to never heard of juan manuel de rosas either. they know all about kirschner and peron and all the other socialist shitstains. they even heard of most of the unitarios, if pushed, and well learned among their barefoot barbaric tribe. but they never ever heard of the federalists, god help 'em.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-26 05:49 mircea_popescu: oh, and in other lulz, http://i.imgur.com/WkP43.jpg
a111: Logged on 2015-01-07 04:44 artifexd: I would think that instead of a list of ip addresses you would have a list of pubkeys and each pubkey has one (or more) ip addresses assigned to it. When you start up gossipd, it calls out to all the ip addresses in the lists and says "I'm bob, proven by this signature. Prove you are alice, with cryptoproof". If the answering box responds appropriately,
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-07#967942 << yeah i wouldn't provide trust to ip addresses at all, but would rather negotiate ephemeral keys (for PFS, among other things)... *continues digging thru logz*
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #trilema 4 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 31 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
a111: Logged on 2016-05-26 02:56 asciilifeform owns the man's complete printed crackpot worx
mircea_popescu: awww look at that, goonswarm (game group of SA [sort-of the center of the ~male libtard internet, like the action movies to go with gawker&whatever, mostly famous for providing usg agent biomaterial for middle east bodybags]) has been getting raped in eve (a derpy game about "space" that mostly consists of spreadsheets. we used to have a guild there too) got raped. they lost about as much territory since 2010ish as the us los
asciilifeform: sooo as per my conv with ben_vulpes loooong ago, the distinct minus of asciilifeform's particular arrangement of life is that when travelling he can think of nothing but gurlx
mircea_popescu: it doth make the day nearer when you'll have to split it like discussed i guess.
asciilifeform: then it shall be done.
asciilifeform: i already had to make the interval 2h
asciilifeform: which is that we will bring nearer the day when the damn thing weighs more than we can lift
mircea_popescu: i guess part of that price being that the raid's gonna malfunction again next week ?
mircea_popescu: i had no fucking idea why, then. nor really cared to examine the matter. but today, looking back at it, seems to me their inept sjw style of faux "creativity" didn't sit well with me.
mircea_popescu: (the original dota, day of the tentacle)
mircea_popescu: oricalcum beads. not bad quest game either.
asciilifeform: ahaha so then !
asciilifeform: the one with the ascension to godhood machine.
mircea_popescu: put some cow spokes here and there.
mircea_popescu: eh real time ; stop with all these star-wars designs.
asciilifeform: do you have any idea what is involved in replicating db in anything like real time without bringing down the box.
asciilifeform: backing up db in real time would require another box of the same class!
mircea_popescu: start rsyncing the /home already.
asciilifeform: (i.e. the keyz)
asciilifeform: incl the blockchain
asciilifeform: i suppose it is quite obvious to alert reader that ~anything on the box might now be silently corrupt
mircea_popescu: well, you know how it is, anotha day anotha dollah. how's they supposed to find a gcd implementation, if they give some internal pm the task it'll be 5 years and $250 mn for a mostly working library consisting of a stolen 50% of the windows calculator.
asciilifeform: holy mother of fuq, hotel door has 2 eyeholes
asciilifeform: the only magic there is!1111 imho.
mircea_popescu: mp says into the magic box "gimme a btctalk thread". magic box gives mp https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1273040.0;all
mircea_popescu: i wonder what live literate female doesn't write sikrit pronz these days.
mircea_popescu: porn writing might be the most authentic field of that art ; everywhere else those who aspire to fame far exceed those who enjoy the writing.
mircea_popescu: but yes, as every shot compatriot of yours could [have] attest[ed], double agents make the best lays.
mircea_popescu: wow. how's she put up with you then ?
asciilifeform: the friends are...,
asciilifeform: one of these.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-26 03:59 mircea_popescu: though in fairness doggedly loyal, intelligent and all around valuable chicks that otherwise never had a chance can be found. like anywhere, i guess.
mircea_popescu: erry man picks the tool that fits his hands alfie.
asciilifeform: they save aha
mircea_popescu: though in fairness doggedly loyal, intelligent and all around valuable chicks that otherwise never had a chance can be found. like anywhere, i guess.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472345 << wanting her to go on cam ; or to beat you up ; or to actually learn things / put effort in. that'd be the top three i guess.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472344 << i'm giving the benefit of "i never spent much time thinking about this".
a111: Logged on 2016-05-26 02:32 asciilifeform: it beat the shit out of 'modern' algebratrons
asciilifeform: see mircea_popescu i try to save the readerz time!1111
mircea_popescu: yes, women are wired to survive and deliver ; and they do. if this is "dynasty", lucy is the original lizard.
asciilifeform: [insert the swift thread here]
mircea_popescu: you didn't mean anything ; it's all expostfacto. "the people that turn out to be we'll call the people that will turn out to be and win"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-26 02:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471730 << ahahaha but mircea_popescu told us that there were no lizardrothchildswhoalwaysruled!111111
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472279 << this is elementary! if it were practical to live there without growing 'problems', folks WOULD live there, and it would cost what a massive residential flat costs.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Why The National is (and Augusta National was) a men-only private golf club. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/25/why-the-national-is-and-augusta-national-was-a-men-only-private-golf-club/
asciilifeform: this is the diff between real folx like mircea_popescu , and indentured wretches
asciilifeform: .... if i were more than theoretically movable, i would consider moving here. it is spiffy
asciilifeform owns the man's complete printed crackpot worx
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 22:05 Framedragger: The Web trivialized this original Xanadu model, vastly but incorrectly simplifying these problems to a world of fragile ever-breaking one-way links, with no recognition of change or copyright, and no support for multiple versions or principled re-use. Fonts and glitz, rather than content connective structure, prevail.""" <- sorry i get sentimental easily :/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472028 << we had >1 ted nelson thread here, Framedragger. dig in the logz..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471942 << 8 unless you like babysitting the box
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 20:44 mircea_popescu: listen, romanian tv exists ~ for a single reason : so a group of like minded twentysomething chicks can advertise they're available. goes ~500 bucks unless you're very weird.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471749 << what is it with folks doing that. how is the problem not obvious..?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 19:20 pete_dushenski: ave already been at the top of the socioeconomic ladder six centuries ago. This persistence is identified despite the huge political, demographic, and economic upheavals that occurred between the two dates.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471730 << ahahaha but mircea_popescu told us that there were no lizardrothchildswhoalwaysruled!111111
asciilifeform: to me algebratron is ~half the point of even MAKING computer at all.
mircea_popescu: we totally have to introduce a secrecy system because look how well it worked for the usgistans.
mircea_popescu: and the supersecret future plan of factory -> vsli -> ada -> lisp -> scheme / numeric algebra / stuff is busted open by careless accidental coversations in a public channel
asciilifeform: and it is quite pointless to do symbolic algebra in anything other than a lisp.
asciilifeform: hey i started tmsring it before there was tmsr.
mircea_popescu: and ada will be epic for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the marginal point here is that yes, sooner or later - and likelyt sooner than i'd like - we'll end up havign to tmsr this stupid shit also.
asciilifeform: it beat the shit out of 'modern' algebratrons
asciilifeform: phun phakt, i actually put motherfucking macsyma to use at rupturefarmz
mircea_popescu: for all the wankery & assorted namedropping for no useful purpose, he might FUCKING KNOW THIS MUCH.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fucking obvious reason why c decided to be row-major is because the screen flows top to bottom not left to right.
mircea_popescu: hey, there's two of us, you read yours i read mine.
asciilifeform: and there is nothing 'buzzy' about the fella
a111: Logged on 2016-05-26 02:14 mircea_popescu: heh look at that, locklin includes bitcoin the keyword in an attempt to stay buzzy.
mircea_popescu: admittedly not that many failures altogether.
mircea_popescu: i've never seen that in a ssd. it's either "low spare" or else bricked.
asciilifeform: so as to prevent the common 'all dead together'
mircea_popescu: and your ssd raid arrays fail with spew in the system log ?
asciilifeform: and saw none of the characteristic spew
asciilifeform: not as such, just examined the system log
mircea_popescu: did you actually probe the controller ?
asciilifeform: btw i have no means of turning the thing back on personally.
asciilifeform: btw, mircea_popescu , no raid barf in the machine log
asciilifeform: ~7G ram footprint at the end.
mircea_popescu: heh look at that, locklin includes bitcoin the keyword in an attempt to stay buzzy.
asciilifeform: ah theeeere he is
BingoBoingo: Right, but what is out from the DC exurbs? Chicago exurbs literally lead out to nothing.
asciilifeform: i suspect that it is because chicago is not expected to last long when the lafondocalypse
asciilifeform: i would like to know why the diff
asciilifeform: but yeah BingoBoingo these are all riotously cheaper than my humble castle asciilifeformenstein
asciilifeform: or they melt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think in terms of websites. they just build themselves.
mircea_popescu: over 5 years your compound could have grown to 10mn containers and exponentially from there.
asciilifeform: them being iron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends how many of them.
mircea_popescu: i'd have expected by the time he's 35 he's built himself a self-expanding "house" and set it out in arizona or w/e
asciilifeform: them wallz won't stop ak round
BingoBoingo: Look alf leaving the swamp has a price
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno, the cardboard walls, the glass ?
BingoBoingo: 950 square feet and lots of land for intermodal containers on the lot
asciilifeform: the cheapest warehouse in usa is still > what my organs are worth.
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/callcutewhore << possibly the world's most obscure not-actually-terrible band
asciilifeform: btw we call them 'stone sack' in ru for some reason
mircea_popescu: no, the one on tumblr, with the girl.
asciilifeform: with the rubbish
asciilifeform: the one in ro
mircea_popescu: i think i showed you the grated concrete hole
BingoBoingo: If you live among the polaks
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: response to an invite is one thing, utility to wot on an enduring basis entirely another.
asciilifeform: i think the floor above mine has golden toilets
mircea_popescu: the press page is altogether worth a read
mircea_popescu: "Stroudsburg resident and East Stroudsburg University junior Jonathan Weber, who founded eDentified People Search, was one of three award-winners for the ESU Innovator of the Year during the Greater Pocono Chamber of Commerce Bizzy Awards on Thursday night at the Chateau in Tannesville."
mircea_popescu: just like the new generation of cunny is "i love to watch netflix", the new generation of cocklet is, "computer security and i like to travel". post-postmodernity.
mircea_popescu: mages/JonathanWeber.jpg ) does all sorts of ugc traps such as https://www.abuseipdb.com/sitemap which are basically dead in the water but deeply seo'd etc items, and even knows enough about bitcoin to solicit donations (0 interest so far however).
mircea_popescu: in random intel of the day : http://www.marathon-studios.com/ in its own copy "Marathon Studios, Inc. manages a network of web properties, apps and services used by millions of people around the world every month. We specialize in creating clean, modern applications designed to help make the Web a more useful place for our visitors. ", but really the dba of one jonathan weber (in his own face http://www.marathon-studios.com/i
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 22:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you understand, statistics says exactly nothing about the individual case.
asciilifeform: folx arr agitated for a few decades and then wagner. such is life
mircea_popescu: but by now i suspect they're mostly artificially agitated.
mircea_popescu: see, i can appreciate this "1880 street urchin or ru peasant sedated by malnutrition is 'calm'", except the first part is strictly incorrect ; and yet... there's a counter recorded also.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i meant the germane part.
asciilifeform: the winnerz fuck the luserz, how else
mircea_popescu: seems the old guy's pushing the young guy to be agitated there. for profit.
asciilifeform: they dunmakethesenomoar
mircea_popescu: i don't think it is normal ; i think it was common, in america, in the 20th century. but not really otherwise.
mircea_popescu: a supercharged tachyon can traverse the whole galaxy and not find any matter to interact with.
mircea_popescu: 3) mostly because they're too fucking agitated.
asciilifeform: fact is, everyone knows 1) meaningful life exists 2) but entirely out of reach for them, like alpha centauri
mircea_popescu: these dudes/dudettes figuring "they should change the world" or w/e the fuck they're figuring, i have no idea. average joe on a mission of ruining his own life because too much tv.
mircea_popescu: i just meant settle down in the general sense ; they're kids that ate too much sugary goop.
asciilifeform: thenwhat!
mircea_popescu: this is the trouble with "modern democracy"-es throughout history, they overinnervate the average joe. it's like amphetamine on a historical scale.
mircea_popescu: how about just settling the fuck down.
mircea_popescu: which goes right back to the whole marriage thing. all the derps excited about how "woman loves to be raped" fail to comprehend that NOT BY YOU OMFG. yes, by that guy, to whom anything is allowed, he can piss on her shirt buttons and she'll save them in her secret girly jool box. what's that do for average joe.
mircea_popescu: it's the denied middle, like chips in runs of 50`000. you can have 1000. you can have 1mn. you can't have a fucking 50k.
mircea_popescu: how am i to not know the difference, immediately, between one or the other ? it simply can not be.
mircea_popescu: and to delve into mircea_popescu> there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training << tis not a matter of it being you know, the evil capitalist being mean and bad for the evulz. it's that they fucking can't. period. girl can, and will, and does make mayo out of eggs and olive oil. how the fuck is 3 man restaurant to do this ? they can't do this. they have to buy it.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 23:20 mircea_popescu: tis not a problem of means and averages asciilifeform ; tis a problem of the definition of terms. there's always exceptions, what's "children" mean, what's "smoking" to be etcetera. and there's no properly systematic way to solve these in any field that is interesting.
mircea_popescu: so how are you better off there than here then! :D
mircea_popescu: they certainly had him then.
mircea_popescu: and just the fact that i can say what i want, and then it magically appears while i irc... what restaurant can do this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re mega-quote, what do i pay to visit planet where there can be no pdiddy?
mircea_popescu: and i'm sure they're makin' someone happy.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 23:24 mircea_popescu: there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training ; not if you're of any taste at least.
mircea_popescu: and the whole thing goes straight into http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639
mircea_popescu: but yes, my cheap home meals still are outrageous to the guy to whom fiddy bucks'd better be dinner movie + blowjob. and sure, it can be that. ar arby's!
mircea_popescu: there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training ; not if you're of any taste at least.
ben_vulpes: and if one gets enough of it, even the $20/plate shit starts to lose its appeal. "what did you bring me? and at what speed? i get better at home in my underwear, and it's salted properly to boot."
mircea_popescu: girls do a lot of home cooking. you've never had better bread ; or sweets ; or sauces of all kinds ; or soups, or what have you. but is it cheap or is it expensive ? they can not beat the 2.50 mcd meal ; or the 7 dollars for a pound of hershey's sugar goop. which is what people usually complaining of the cost of "natural living" usually eat.
mircea_popescu: that's what you attempt to do by moving it into the field of plainer mechanics - but it also becomes very banal for the move.
mircea_popescu: tis not a problem of means and averages asciilifeform ; tis a problem of the definition of terms. there's always exceptions, what's "children" mean, what's "smoking" to be etcetera. and there's no properly systematic way to solve these in any field that is interesting.
mircea_popescu: so then!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's stats and there's stats. avg plane jumper is quite as flat as median jumper...
mircea_popescu: "ciggs are bad for you" "no, they're bad FOR PEOPLE. mine are great for me" "kids suck" "maybe yours" etc.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not that bios are my thing, so i really have little to compare it to. so take the recommendation with a grain of salt.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: speaking of that golden era, you'd probably enjoy 'titan' the jdr bio.
asciilifeform: so it is goof theme park
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the fact that chicago hasn't been able to muster so much as a sneezing fit since then is what's allowed it to be embalmed so well. not all cities are so fortunate as to have only ONE boom.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you understand, statistics says exactly nothing about the individual case.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you're seeing the beauty of that city now. it's really rather well preserved as a whole. a gleaming testament to the glory days 1870-1930
asciilifeform: and the bookstore has a gigantic cat
asciilifeform: also i'm in a magnificent bldg , so old that the lifts have lifteurs, and everything is polished brass and marble
asciilifeform: and pet reads logz on occasion, and we rip into the gristle.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 22:30 ben_vulpes: "children are a misery, women are a misery, work is a misery, taxes are a misery, the only things to live for are theorems and killing hitler"
mircea_popescu: funny that the author carefully tries to invent domestic-slavery-without-the-slavery though. oh, really, SHE CUTS HIS HAIR ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: "What is almost nonexistent is the childfree housewife - a woman who does not do market labor, is supported by her husband, but does not have children." << bullshit ; slavegirl counts here.
mircea_popescu: heck, it's amply documented how britain throughout its rise and preeminence treaded middle class children as exactly war captives, even going so far as to switch them around so natural affection won't entice the female to get in the way of mistreatment.
mircea_popescu: and even then they barely bothered ; and generally the children lived as slaves / war captives. (see the duke of perigord's adventures for a fine example of this)
mircea_popescu: even someone as clueless as a medieval noble needed the entire arbitrary structure of male inheritance to be marginally bothered with it,
pete_dushenski: my little bruiser is... still a bruiser. no convergence to the mean just yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware the notion of children = unwanted pests is at all controversial. pretty much the only mammals that engage in it do so when they have absolutely no other option, much like poor working classes hitting the gin.
ben_vulpes: sat up under his own steam the other day, entirely on accident i'm sure.
pete_dushenski: speaking of sarcasm, how goes the little fam, ben_vulpes ? sleeping through the night ?
pete_dushenski: eh children aren't so bad. hell, i don't even mind work these days. taxes and women ? let's just call them a challenge to be risen to.
ben_vulpes: "children are a misery, women are a misery, work is a misery, taxes are a misery, the only things to live for are theorems and killing hitler"
ben_vulpes: but yes celebrate the no children lifestyle, the 'mgtow' lifestyle, the hairshirt environmentalism
ben_vulpes: (much less wife family and other women)

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