asciilifeform: once upon a time, mircea_popescu met a cabbie and gave him a broomstick. but original legend did not tell us that he also gave him a 1941 nagan, complete with 'tula' and red star, loaded with 1 round, and the learned man said to the cabbie, 'when you get bored of sitting on the broomstick, here - you can stop'
mircea_popescu: what you call "a weak negotiating position" i call being a woman. you're supposed to take it up the ass ; that's the design.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did not grow up as the monkey in the puzzle and beating experiment. which is all very good for him.
mircea_popescu: what ever happened to "you want it signed, 5bn goes there. else take a hike"
mircea_popescu: exact mirror of the "what's derp to do" from earlier, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476883
asciilifeform: and the ruins of email.
mircea_popescu: they're not really given netpipes now, either. gotta pollute windows and forums and whatnot.
asciilifeform: had to pollute the backs of newspapers instead.
asciilifeform: there was a time when derps and derpfarmers were not given net pipes.
mircea_popescu: "we moved up in the world."
mircea_popescu: so then what "death of email". like "Death of lice", oh honey, what ever happened to all the lice.
mircea_popescu: a) i never participated in groups where open address was the norm and b) you'd have to go through filters to get to me.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe i ever found myself in this "email" situation. not ever. trilema comments have been a shocking exception, but otherwise
asciilifeform: you can choose to call whitemail 'email', aesthetic preference i guess, but it is NOT same.
asciilifeform: whereas once there was such a thing as email.
asciilifeform: consider something as well-known as the death of email.
asciilifeform: and will eventually bury the universe in shit.
asciilifeform: i'm with the latter. but also observed that 'resistance of the medium' is a thing, and that if cranking out crapolade costs 0, then the most prolix idiot is winner.
mircea_popescu: you can't well mix these.
mircea_popescu: but as per the latter... just fucking write, who cares.
mircea_popescu: historically, they tried to control commentary on the bible, for it distracted from bible study.
mircea_popescu: now, as per the former, you'd have to forbid anyone from writing anything about "neoreaction" because i dunno, they're clouding out the true truth as found on your blog.
mircea_popescu: the smart one, and also the historical winner, is to accept anything not-entirely-shitty, and let it sort itself.
mircea_popescu: the idiotic one, and also the historical loser, is to reject anything imperfect, and hold out.
mircea_popescu: to any human activity that's fragmentary and incomplete (such as writing, whatever the form), two fundamental approaches may be applied.
asciilifeform: hanno bock did his thing for the cost of a glass of schnapps or whatever. whereas in, say, 100 yrs ago, he and i would both have to pay for typesetting etc.
mircea_popescu: neither's true, no.
mircea_popescu: seems scarcely any difference. the pow such as it was, always was some social capital, and not much at that.
asciilifeform: 'proof of work' did not prevent snow jobs (consider steven j gould's snow job targeted at 'bell curve', say, or 1,001 other examples)
mircea_popescu: i see not the difference. before, you had to get permission from authority to publish ; then, you had to get enough money / promise of sales together ; finally, you had to have a "following".
asciilifeform: and it is approx. like the situation of blog.
asciilifeform: whereas now there is ~not.
asciilifeform: detail re books is that at one point there was a certain 'proof of work' implicit in getting the thing on the market.
mircea_popescu: "x can be burried" "so can y" "anything can be" "Then why bring it up"
mircea_popescu: so then how did this become some sort of argument.
asciilifeform: hence why i pinch my nose and hear out the scavengers.
mircea_popescu: cuz it's not about what they are.
mircea_popescu: well, if it's all in eye of beholder, then books ~can't be ruined~.
asciilifeform: what other do i need ?
asciilifeform: mechanism is that he finds the trufflez.
mircea_popescu: so then therefore we agree that more books being published is the best thing that ever happened for the book.
asciilifeform: and no others.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "nobody on the internet knows you're a dog" does not excuse any dogs.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains that either you agree EVERYONE writing as many books as humanly possible is really a benefit for books, somehow (cuz you get access to supposedly valuable whatever the fuck you wouldn't have otherwise) ; or else you agree random internet dude picking up the web mantle and derping about how "the cathedral" sucks is really fucking up the work of the actual good men involved in tearing that shit down.
asciilifeform: i know nothing of spandrell's doom - perhaps he is raising his children in a madrassa, where they have perfect marks in shaheed belt preparation.
asciilifeform: and he has no dirigible! the nerve!
mircea_popescu: the fact remains random married derp who has to earn his daily bread has no right and no qualification to criticise society.
mircea_popescu: how is this supposed to work, "waiter can be as dirty as he pleases, not like he's the cook" ?
asciilifeform: that i would not otherwise encounter.
mircea_popescu: they're plaintext pieces.
asciilifeform: they dun need to be 'blue blood' or whatever, because they are bringing to me pieces from archaeological dig
mircea_popescu: do you mind discussing what we're discussing rather than what you're discussing ?
asciilifeform: possibly not world's best, but is the one willing to tell me about the emperor's bow etc.
mircea_popescu: if yarvin/spandrell/etc qualify to discuss society ; then literally ex boxers are qualified to pen books.
mircea_popescu: ok, then by this same token you should believe "anyone can publish" improved books.
mircea_popescu: so you don't believe the situation where a man who is not in point of fact qualified to discuss these matters nevertheless discusses them actually "dillutes the internet".
asciilifeform: very much helped in my head to set the permanent bozo bit on so-called 'civilized society.'
asciilifeform: before there was bitcoin.
asciilifeform: he was also my introduction to the mechanics of fiatola.
asciilifeform: mr mold was a hilarious source of trivia re 100 yrs of usg rot. e.g., how kgb owned state dept., how prestige farming works in detail, etc. none of it original to him, he simply dug up the primary sources, best as he could. hence his nick.
mircea_popescu: you know even basic compiler puts a fucking ^ at the specific point where it lost it ? what am i going to do with "waitwut" ?
mircea_popescu: "i became more able to continue as an automaton in the fiat order"
asciilifeform: they didn't turn into 'agreement club' until much later.
mircea_popescu: you like to act as if "books" are the same thing ; they aren't ; mostly because you like to think "people reading books" are the same thing. they also aren't. and sure as fuck "internet agreement clubs" aren't political instruments.
asciilifeform: even there, there are lines where you have 2m of air and shit to yer knee, but in some you have 2m of shit
mircea_popescu: they're people who like to jack off.
mircea_popescu: there IS NO SNR of those folk.
mircea_popescu: have you noticed this, by the way ? apparently, that's a line ; and apparently it'll get filled ; apparently by substantially the same guy.
mircea_popescu: would you say random wage slave with a kid in tow and a vague interest in maybe spending a week on "writing a book" is watering down "neoreaction" or whatever the fuck you'd call the line of "being an internet tough guy in the style of curtis yarvin" ?
asciilifeform: but they did not have distribution system equal to actual authors'.
asciilifeform: sorta like asking when titanic sank - when the hole was punched, when deck awash, when entirely invisible ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not by the laser-print-on-demand thing as such.
asciilifeform: no need for it to even follow the format.
asciilifeform: and would appear to prove that anybody can upload whatever the fuck rubbish to sks and it will propagate.
asciilifeform: mod6: these cases are thus far the only ones that even theoretically fit the description of 'really hot&bothered photon'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-04 19:33 mod6: if you're talking about "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh" -- then yes, it's on the list of things to resolve/fix. thanks for letting us know.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476897 << mod6 i was talking about the stator.sh in the tarball distributed on therealbitcoin.org. but more generally speaking we should NOT be linking to openssl.org or other heathens! the tarballs are not so big, they ought to be on trb site.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that i'd bet real money that there are pgptrons that will happily eat and encipher to this key.
asciilifeform: in case there are arithmetic-challenged folks reading, this is a 1 bit flip.
asciilifeform: this and the couple of similar cases could even be genuine bitrot...
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EEC10B5DDCC3DF9891ED3E5ED9C69015202B07F218F4403DA0DBE64BE8558645 is the unrotted version of http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476906 << this one, like the last 4, fails checksum...
asciilifeform: red to be a conflict of interest with her official NSA duties.) The email, with the subject line, "Vanity Fair Article With Fugitive – May Cause Additional Work," said "the much anticipated Vanity Fair article with the fugitive is out.... Probably the most concerning issue in the article is the fugitives [sic] assertion that he raised complaints with NSA lawyers and oversight and compliance personnel."'
asciilifeform: 'On April 11, Vanity Fair released its story. That afternoon, Ledgett sent an email to Teresa Shea, the director of signals intelligence — or SIGINT, which is responsible for decoding electronic communications — and a number of officials whose names were redacted. (Later that year, Shea left the NSA after BuzzFeed reported that she and her husband ran a SIGINT "contracting and consulting" business out of their house in what appea
asciilifeform: 'What's remarkable about this FOIA release, however, is that the NSA has admitted that it altered emails related to its discussions about Snowden.'
asciilifeform: from the l0ltr0nz, https://news.vice.com/article/edward-snowden-leaks-tried-to-tell-nsa-about-surveillance-concerns-exclusive
a111: Logged on 2016-06-04 18:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ?
BingoBoingo: Redditors make a serious career decision "Keep delivering pizzas or move over to Chinese food? (self.TalesFromThePizzaGuy)" https://archive.is/IXwLT
BingoBoingo: Oh, and now China's side of the spread won
mod6: if you're talking about "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh" -- then yes, it's on the list of things to resolve/fix. thanks for letting us know.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "you want to keep pretending X ? fine, this means you get to pay through the nose. so your pretense you're a world power costs what, 5 trn a year in subsidies to everyone that can bust your skull open ? fine. this is what, 1/1000 as important, that'd mean you owe me ~5bn to plead out and let you be. how much of that you got in cash ? and by cash we mean bitcoin, of course."
mircea_popescu: hahaha so i don't fucking get it... they get to keep pretending that tor's not schweizer, and what's the derp get ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-04 14:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, i have nfi what you're using, but most people here are using either aes256 or twofish, i would suspect. and if they do not - they should edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and add personal-cipher-preferences AES256 TWOFISH right above the line that says personal-digest-preferences SHA512
mircea_popescu: aes256 is (supposedly) ~2^100 against related key attacks which'd be the better attack known.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, i have nfi what you're using, but most people here are using either aes256 or twofish, i would suspect. and if they do not - they should edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and add personal-cipher-preferences AES256 TWOFISH right above the line that says personal-digest-preferences SHA512
mircea_popescu: ftr, the problem with the sha1sum isn't even that it's 160 bits ; worse fates could be devised.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: phuctor's hash is quite inapplicable anywhere else, because it includes the entire key - names, emails, ~all~ subkeys.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: read the logz, gpg and compatibles are retarded in 101 ways
a111: Logged on 2016-06-04 01:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476739 << the aes key used by everybody here when they gpg is precisely 32 bytes long. (not that this is something to be proud of.)
mircea_popescu: then again, that's me from this end of it.
mircea_popescu: imo the bugler came out pretty good.
asciilifeform: but not otherwise.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem with high culture. you can't REALLY translate huxley say in french. what translate ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think that one's possible in any other lang.
asciilifeform: gonna try in other langs?
mircea_popescu: i'm rather infatuated with it currently.
asciilifeform: interestingly, no ready ru either
mircea_popescu: $google "all men are brothers" pearl s buck "full text"
mircea_popescu: for the love of fuck.
mircea_popescu: these schmucks seriously go around pretending some book published in the 1930s is "under copyright" ?
asciilifeform: it goes under the heading of 'ancient art of knowing when to eat naga'
mircea_popescu: yes, but the part where it is better to have shitty czar than strong sultan if you have no life force left is rarely comprehended.
mircea_popescu: technically, i expect it'd have gone the way of turkey.
asciilifeform: (ideology thereby)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 23:43 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell spandrell amusingly, you fall in a very orwell-like vat (as per http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/ ). really what you describe is the behaviour ~of idiots~ and them only. actual people do have ideology-activity connections going.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476751 << fella doesn't seem to presently ~have~, yet, an ideology, beyond a quite accurate picture of 'the west is phucked'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476746 << i prolly oughta plant down a second, rubbish wordpress, for the rubbish.
asciilifeform: aside from the claptrap he left on pete's site.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 23:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476590 << consider another point here. on the basis of v neuman's quote with the state of sin, what can be said of a purported "cryptography mechanism" which can be stored as a 32 byte value ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476739 << the aes key used by everybody here when they gpg is precisely 32 bytes long. (not that this is something to be proud of.)
asciilifeform at one point was pathologically well informed on jp secondhand, but is emphatically NOT a veteran thereof nor set foot there, and will not comment further
asciilifeform: in all of the various senses. is my current understanding.
asciilifeform: sorta showcases the extreme of the 'tallest building you can build' from mircea_popescu's 'prophete' article.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476725 << jp occupies what one might call the opposite magnetic pole from mali or whoever is bottom of the orc pile.
mircea_popescu: (diogenes the philosopher asked by someone when people to eat said : if the one you ask about is rich, he can eat when he pleases ; if poor, has to eat when he can.)
mircea_popescu: yeah pete_dushenski , the whole quote is "diogenes philosophus cuidam interroganti qua hora hominem cenare deceret : Si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. Si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest."
mircea_popescu: yeah but given their inept inability to REFERENCE THINGS and their truly despicable johnsmithism "i invented hot water in 1910", there's no dampening of the process, they'll just bong one way and the other and back again forever.
pete_dushenski: lots of room to move around in der kolonies. gasses expand to fill their containers.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... these damned colonists ? from one idiotic excess to its opposite ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 23:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476633 << pete_dushenski who was the derp ?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing women can [say|wail] that can possibly change the plain fact that men do what they say an' say what they mean.
mircea_popescu: that's actually how you distinguish actual people from the plain cuntspawn. and that's why attempted reductionisms a la "bros" don't actually work.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell spandrell amusingly, you fall in a very orwell-like vat (as per http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/ ). really what you describe is the behaviour ~of idiots~ and them only. actual people do have ideology-activity connections going.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475889 << the behaviour is so deeply instinctual in humans, ex-goatherder chicks will naturally hallucinate how other girls they don't like don't love you enough.
mircea_popescu: "oh, mommy knows best" "yeah you know what, go fuck your mother."
mircea_popescu: where do all these nuts keep popping from ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 22:07 pete_dushenski: Now it’s China’s turn to attempt to prove that their centrally-managed currency can do it. They’re going to fail because nobody trusts China and nobody ever will. The business community knows that the Wall Street game is rigged but it’s rigged in a way that they trust. Nor will Bitcoin ever be more than a plaything for people on the fringes of the financial world. Pete’s very knowledgeable about
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:47 Framedragger: (re. pkcs#11, because e.g. that substring-attack is only meant to be against symmetric keys stored in that shitformat, but since e.g. ECDSA keypair's secret logarithm "is just stored as 32-byte scalar value [it's not meant to be stored that way there, but is, because reasons], [...] extract-key-from-key can be used to successively reveal chunks of that scalar value.")
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476590 << consider another point here. on the basis of v neuman's quote with the state of sin, what can be said of a purported "cryptography mechanism" which can be stored as a 32 byte value ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:47 vc: it's going terribly but hopefully things should be ironed out soon and the service will launch
mircea_popescu: since when is behaviour the measure of situation, what's next, niggers steal because poor ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476547 << by this token, women suck cock, even of men ; men don't suck cock, and if they do it's sure as hell not women's, ergo... men live better ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:12 spandrell: most people in tokyo live in 2 story houses in the suburbs
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:06 asciilifeform: the upper right hand corner ?
asciilifeform: (i was a cruel shock when i learned that it LIED and DID NOT set clock to 10Mhz like promised on the lights!111111)
asciilifeform: if it were like the one on my 486 dx2, it'll turn me cache back on.
asciilifeform: nobody wants to contemplate that he is pond scum ready for the fermentation reactor
mircea_popescu: the who ?
asciilifeform: gotta love the immortal ' magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money '
mircea_popescu: nah, all men are brothers
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 22:07 pete_dushenski: Bitcoin but just like the goldbugs and the silver hoarders he rarely looks very hard at the way that real people use money in the real world. The average sub-130 IQ person looks at Bitcoin as a technology indistinguishable from magic, assuming that it’s that kind of magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money. Believe me when I tell you that we will all go back to biting c
asciilifeform: they don't show up on dulap nearly as often as one might expect.
asciilifeform: i used to bait these folk regularly.
mircea_popescu: looks more like some sort of windows "hacking tool" by the idiotic "try everything n times"
asciilifeform: with ~usable params (could, theoretically, simulate a bot of his, see what it gets asked to do.)
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, mircea_popescu check out this here pond scum, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/53e25f3c-920e-4598-9b84-f1c9aea1ff73
asciilifeform: lever force, i suspect, would be too great, it'd snap the chunk of desk it attaches to clean off.
asciilifeform: so far i've found 0 off-the-shelf mounts that extend far enough vertically AND horizontally.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i'd like to start adding vertically (there is, e.g., ample room for 2 moar horizontal 16:9s above the left and right pair each) but difficult to found proper mounting arms to make'em align just-so
asciilifeform: since there is 1 photo
pete_dushenski: pretty sure he has some small consulting biz or other, don't think it was malware related
pete_dushenski: anyways, i think i have enough monitors for the time being. unlike cars, you can't just park 'em all and grab the keys to the one you're in the mood for that day. a workstation isn't a commute or an errand run
asciilifeform: anyway i stack 16:9's on their side to get giant 4:3. but it's a pain.
asciilifeform: dunno where pete_dushenski goes to cinema, but around here they're 16:10
pete_dushenski: eh what is this, the cinema ?
asciilifeform: but there is NO 170+dpi 4:3.
pete_dushenski: ok so let's hear about these nec's
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: why couldn't you have figured this out before last christmas ? first it's the amazing pogo, then the amazing eizo... AND NOW IT'S NEITHER
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 02:17 mircea_popescu: and in other japanews, http://66.media.tumblr.com/1904e39d9c0714d833fd435cd5f0faa2/tumblr_o0de7zkzHV1u9ovyno1_400.gif
pete_dushenski: speaking of spandrel (but not spandrell), i was just reading about the different types of spandrel glass. turns out there are more than a few ways to hide the slab end, mechanical, and electrical systems using an opaque curtain wall insert. the glass on these opaque sections is usually tempered because they get so hot with waste heat and greenhouse effect that they could crack from thermal shock. also, vo
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: "This evidence includes asserting it's will over Bitfinex, the shambling forum scam the succeeded Mt Gox and Bitstamp as..." << s/it's/its and s/the succeeded/that succeeded
pete_dushenski: can anyone confirm this once-a-year paving schedule ? because fuck me am i getting tired of the washboard frost heaves in this frozen backwater.
pete_dushenski: orer because of all the overloaded trucks tearing up the roads. But generally the highways get re-paved at least once-a-year, to both stimulate the construction-based economy here but also to keep the workers employed."
pete_dushenski: in still other azn insights : "The quality of the highways are actually fantastic - in the old-days before we had proving grounds built in China we used to do high-speed testing on the newly-built highways before they were opened to public, and they were smooth as can be even at 120mph +. I would say the quality of the roads in the South are a little better, and industrial Provinces like Jinan a little po
pete_dushenski: in other azn news : http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2016/05/onbashira-log-moving-festival/
pete_dushenski: this, ladies and gents, is the cream of the auto journo crop. it's hard to believe that he's as accomplished a driver and writer as he is while maintaining these aforequoted pretenses. but what can i say, i have a soft spot for the guy.
pete_dushenski: Neither Pete nor I will live to see a world in which the United States is not a major player in international affairs, if not the major player. Go ahead and bet on that.
pete_dushenski: Bitcoin but just like the goldbugs and the silver hoarders he rarely looks very hard at the way that real people use money in the real world. The average sub-130 IQ person looks at Bitcoin as a technology indistinguishable from magic, assuming that it’s that kind of magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money. Believe me when I tell you that we will all go back to biting c
pete_dushenski: Now it’s China’s turn to attempt to prove that their centrally-managed currency can do it. They’re going to fail because nobody trusts China and nobody ever will. The business community knows that the Wall Street game is rigged but it’s rigged in a way that they trust. Nor will Bitcoin ever be more than a plaything for people on the fringes of the financial world. Pete’s very knowledgeable about
pete_dushenski: let's dump a bit of ol' jack baruth in the logs, just ftr :
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 16:42 mircea_popescu: so electricity is like, <4 cent / kwh commercial in alberta ? who the hell knew, that's pretty good mining pricing neh ?
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474673 << so it is. twas a popular little hobby back in 2010-2013, though i know of no one who took it beyond that and up to the business level.
shinohai: Haven't personally ever seen this, though I only load up enough coins from another wallet sweep to complete tx
pete_dushenski: fucken braindamaged already, though i can't speak to whether heathen client operates in same way
pete_dushenski: obviously, it doesn't create a proper tx, but trb doesn't know this and so effectively locks the coins from being spent.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: colour me impressed at the depth of your twatter pull
trinque: and now I learn that the custom search api doesn't do site:
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474946 << this is famous and not unlike trump's experience on the apprentice.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/07/the-follow-your-heart-myth/ << quoted him here too. smart fellow, particularly on chinese historical happenings and interpretations, evidently.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/21/statelessness-of-fearlessness/#footnote_0_4063 << there it is
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476047 << I thought you wrote the post with them as the heroes?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 16:42 asciilifeform: i've never actually met an adult who had the experience and wasn't a traumatic wreck.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475877 << Go to Florida, visit the dope recoverers meetings there. Many adults long reprogrammed.
asciilifeform: including the horse it rode in on.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: whole thing is ~very~ overdue for the cleansing fires.
Framedragger: (re. pkcs#11, because e.g. that substring-attack is only meant to be against symmetric keys stored in that shitformat, but since e.g. ECDSA keypair's secret logarithm "is just stored as 32-byte scalar value [it's not meant to be stored that way there, but is, because reasons], [...] extract-key-from-key can be used to successively reveal chunks of that scalar value.")
vc: it's going terribly but hopefully things should be ironed out soon and the service will launch
Framedragger: ohey vc how's romania treating you then
Framedragger: but look it's secure because when it's deriving new secret keys from another secret key it has this majestic security constraint: "If the original key used in this process is sensitive, then the derived key must also be sensitive for the derivation to succeed."
asciilifeform: seems as if it were tailor-made for crapping out the kind of keys that have been appearing in phuctor.
asciilifeform: 'Extract-key-from-key is defined in section 6.27.7 of PKCS#11 standard version 2.30. It may as well have been renamed “extract-substring” as the analog of standard operation on strings. This derivation scheme creates a new key by taking a contiguous sequence of bits at desired offset and length from an existing key.' << holy FUCK
spandrell: i'm the linguist, you dont play semantics with me
spandrell: there you go
asciilifeform: just that there is NO such thing as 'life in russia'
asciilifeform: these aren't meaningful 'any's.
asciilifeform: the dead ?
asciilifeform: who the hell cares what is 'average pay of 35 yo'
spandrell: the same job in tokyo
spandrell: how much is the equivalent moscow wage?
asciilifeform: theeeeere we go.
spandrell: most people in tokyo live in 2 story houses in the suburbs
asciilifeform: how much does the robo-bathtub flat go for in usd ?
spandrell: prices are pretty cheap these days
asciilifeform: (unless, as often the case, yer money is tied to geography)
spandrell: if russia were rich i'd be living there myself; who the hell wants to stand progressive bullshit if we could avoid it
asciilifeform: the upper right hand corner ?
spandrell_: it connects to the kitchen
spandrell_: it has a mike too so you can call your wife from the bathtub to ask for a beer
spandrell_: set the temperature
asciilifeform: spandrell_: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/thumb/7/7d/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA.JPG/640px-%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA.JPG << them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ie, the tea maker ?!
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, i met aplenty in the arab lands. and they ~match spandrell_ 's ideas of "arab"
asciilifeform: yet somehow 'jp is the fyoooootooor' and 'ru sux'