asciilifeform: was voorhees ~always~ scum or was he hit once too many in the head or what .
trinque: Today it was me who was wrong. << cannot help but read this in the voice of randy marsh
mircea_popescu: kinda how these scams work.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have a roughly nsa-like relationship with folks who discuss their 'trade seeekrits' in whatever public context.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scientology internal term for 'work of the devil'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 02:36 mircea_popescu: ie, more "visits" than average usg fishwrap gets in a week. none of them yielded anything ~whatsoever~, which discorages exactly no one.
mircea_popescu: what's supressive then.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:21 phf: i think there are different levels and roles within the system, but i know for a fact that sci people are effective at bureaucrat, there's a number of them at capitol hill, doing internships with senators... (if we haven't before, t-a is now definitely suppresive)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:45 trinque: how bout the valley is the shenzen of useless apps and ponzis
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:21 asciilifeform: i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ?
asciilifeform: their 'join' is tax-writeoff tho.
mircea_popescu: speaks loudly of what a shitty deal the us is to begin with.
mircea_popescu: iirc that was the whole shebang, get have-been hollywood stars to "join" in exchange for getting a few white slaves allocated.
mircea_popescu: well basically what is it IN the us, a sort of central casting for cheap white maids ?
mircea_popescu: i equally can't explain the hair.
mircea_popescu: tbh i never met anyone who was into the dumb shit. imo it's an 80s thing.
davout: just put your hands on these secret electrods, buy these books to reach level 1 and put your check in the box
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 16:21 asciilifeform: i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 15:57 phf: yeah, there were a few options, but too far of a drive from philadelphia. now that i'm in dc, i might take a stab at wv
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 15:47 phf: perhaps when there was less leverage, it made sense to apply whipping enough to men, now you need not bother, have all kinds of tools
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478860 << see this is the problem, now you need it more than before, because the more leverage, the more small defects end up magnified. but, the bitch is, now you also can more than before avoid this responsibility. and since people do what they want rather than what they need...
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 15:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478846 << defect in man that could be 'fixed by whipping enough' is effectively permanent. just like, e.g., a defective cpu, might be hypothetically fixable with an ion beam machine, but NOBODY would ever even think of bothering.
mircea_popescu: so for some reason, argentina envelopes don't have any glue. so they fucking staple them shut.
asciilifeform: re: earlier thread, am i the only one who is slightly astonished that scientology does not yet - afaik - have own altcoin ?
asciilifeform: 'The encryption does not include an identity authentication scheme. This BIP does not cover a proposal to avoid MITM attacks during the encryption initialization.' << lel wastin' our time.
trinque: The silicon valley of hardware << L0L
phf: while at it, let's also mention that pilot's self clearing book has some handy nlp's style exercises, and will give you a general idea as to what sci core training is about (sealing the deal on the whole suppresive thing)
asciilifeform: or is it simply that 'civilized society' is so loathesome that ANY alternative is welcome.
phf: i think there are different levels and roles within the system, but i know for a fact that sci people are effective at bureaucrat, there's a number of them at capitol hill, doing internships with senators... (if we haven't before, t-a is now definitely suppresive)
asciilifeform: i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ?
trinque: and if you're nobody, you're there to be worked to death and eaten
asciilifeform: also lulzy is that their cult object is a 1940s-style 'lie detector'
trinque: for someone with the money/power, it's a tax haven. donate cash to scientology and then spend it through the church.
asciilifeform: i am not mega-expert on it, but did at one point (by accident, even) end up in their museum in washington.
asciilifeform: afaik they build narrowly-specialized arse lickers
phf: and if there's one thing that any bureaucratic system craves it's junior ass lickers
phf: and thereone thing any bureaucratic system craves
phf: if judaica is good at producing bankers, then sci is perfect for making junior ass lickers
phf: i'm saying "why would they need a nuke"
asciilifeform: a setup like scientology has no particular need to be 'ecologically clean', can work the chumps to exhaustion
phf: why would they need to? their whole set of processes is designed to produce a healthy productive member of society (double positive intention), they are ultimatley aligned with whatever establishment they find themselves in
davout: kind of like saying a farmer's job downside is having to deal with the cows
asciilifeform: : it has to actually deal with the cattle.
asciilifeform: that's the general downside, and not only for churches but any other org that runs on cattle money.
asciilifeform: and maxint other cattle
asciilifeform: or other 'insurance policy.'
asciilifeform: it wouldn't surprise me if they had a nuke.
asciilifeform: own motherfucking navy.
trinque: now there's a success story... scientology
asciilifeform: afaik state of the art is 'church-mafia hybrid' model, e.g., scientology
asciilifeform: (see the case of, e.g., peyote church, or davidians, or...)
phf: ha, they are registered as a church
phf: for example, i'm going to http://www.4qf.org coming weekend. place throws all kinds of insane parties (used to have the best east coast psy trance party before organizers moved elsewhere), but they presumably do that in addition to their default offering of what looks like "earth mother gaia healing" nonsense
phf: well, there are places on the east coast that get away with all kinds of things, between waivers, a legitimate cause, friendly neighboors, landscape, etc.
asciilifeform: wv is only really a solution if you're buying the lands to go there alone and shoot yer kalash at trees
phf: yeah, there were a few options, but too far of a drive from philadelphia. now that i'm in dc, i might take a stab at wv
phf: oh, you want to have a welding shop on your property, that's forms a,b,c,d and auxilary form e. naturally there will be inspection
asciilifeform: then merely extortionate fines.
phf: as soon as the neighboor sees a naked girl, complains to authorities
phf: i was looking into buying land in Pennsylvania for the purposes of turning it into a kind of hippie retreat, kesey's "La Honda" style, and the amount of hoops you need to jump through in order to arrive at a cookie cutter american suburbs solution (and nothing else possible) is insane
asciilifeform: (as described in mega-b00k 'mind of the south')
phf: well, it's something that struck me when i went to india, how poor there are mostly left the fuck alone. can live in a fishermen village, fish, make few rupies doing chores for tourists
phf: perhaps when there was less leverage, it made sense to apply whipping enough to men, now you need not bother, have all kinds of tools
asciilifeform: which is why 'hunchback straightens in the grave' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478846 << defect in man that could be 'fixed by whipping enough' is effectively permanent. just like, e.g., a defective cpu, might be hypothetically fixable with an ion beam machine, but NOBODY would ever even think of bothering.
BingoBoingo: "Nortek, a building products manufacturer based in Providence, Rhode Island" << Why does China need them even with a bribe?
phf: hah, that vietnam thing is awesome, but also makes sense. asians love their bikini girls, arabs "only the best" money not an issue fucks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no such thing as an ugly male.
mircea_popescu: phf some derpy article re how vietnam airlines has bikini uniform and THIS is why the woman running it is making 1bn off the ipo.
mircea_popescu: (which incidentally is an absolute bar to any "woe me im poor". bitch, takes six months to learn how to dance passibly, after which you do the cruise circuit.)
phf: mircea_popescu: i missed the vietnam reference
asciilifeform: like the familiar statistician and his bomb.
phf: asciilifeform: that's a specialty service though, girl wouldn't be able to make as much on the ground
asciilifeform: '... the unnamed stewardess had made more than $1 million (Dh3.7 million) over two years. The papers, citing airline sources, said the passenger admitted that she seduced him into the lavatory for $2,000 (Dh7,400).' << either disinfo or mircea_popescu was wrong re 'no whore costs >500'
phf: given their stewardesses, that sounds like emirates ad
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://www.emirates247.com/news/air-hostess-found-with-man-in-toilet-on-flight-2015-09-27-1.604467
asciilifeform: in in other nyooz, Vexual wants in? is he banned or wut
mircea_popescu: overton window problem. it's one thing to repudiate junk when purported to come from person ; it's another thing to repudiate junk when purported to come from known garbage dweller.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has good point but i am still hard-pressed to see a difference between postin unsigned rubbish to one place vs another, in respect to confession.gif strictly
mircea_popescu: but certainly god fucking help the harem where I ACCEPT THAT.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help the slavegirl that says "oh, beating me's not worth it, i'll do the bad anyway"
mircea_popescu: which is exactly how the state works : by getting the males castrated, which is to say saying this, exactly.
mircea_popescu: notrly. the concern is that the jwz is easily discouraged, and rather than take reasonable steps, he takes no steps, "because it's not worth it anyway"
asciilifeform: the concern is planting
mircea_popescu: i also can't mathematicaly prove that "no more bugs will get in", nor is this a consideration when i fumigate.
asciilifeform: hitler can as easily emplace confession.gif there as on shitgur.
mircea_popescu: but at least you control the domain and server.
mircea_popescu: so what's this fallacy called then, i forget ? "classification fallacy" ?
mircea_popescu: and a platonician will protest that "they're all the same kind" and you'll say "no i can subdivide them as i like". sure you can, but it's not necessarily meaningful. depends what you aim to do with the classes.
mircea_popescu: consider the obvious example of the natural ring. yes you can sort the numbers as you like, such as for instance by digit count. but this doesn't mean you're then allowed to declare "mathematical properties" for the various categories you came up with.
asciilifeform: the items being sorted dun need to care
mircea_popescu: other than "racism", of course.
mircea_popescu: what's this fallacy called, where in the first step you draw the classes as you like, and in the 2nd step you presume they care what meaning you wish ?
mircea_popescu: what "kinds" are there ?
mircea_popescu: and the fucking agents will go "here's some pics he put on imgur, and we know they're authentic because he used to put pics on imgur", and i'm going to say...
mircea_popescu: i'd really like to understand this shithead mechanism.
mircea_popescu: he just spent the time before dropping bombs alone. i even commented in the logs re this, at the time.
mircea_popescu: also - idiot had no actual power. i can already see a jwz in the making when someone is "on twitter". bitch, you don't own twitter, and when you'll want to embarass the handler they'll just mothball it.
mircea_popescu: ie, the fucking day of may 27th.
asciilifeform: or why else he refused the hush money
mircea_popescu: it's a very simple heuristic. 1) do you work with state outfit ; 2) are you there to ruin it.
mircea_popescu: a) participated in usg scheme ; b) did not amass sufficient secret files to REALLY hurt the other participants.
mircea_popescu: but then again... meh. it's one of those things where the idiots that'd benefit will NEVER fucking take it to heart, and everyone else already read it 5000 times.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 13:13 mircea_popescu: which, should be pointed out, is the fate of ALL JWZ's. whoever doesn't get butchered at the hands of the accursed state they so promoted, will be butchered at my hands once i'm done raping the state.
mircea_popescu: and so "they just want to" nothing in particular.
mircea_popescu: none of that, they're "feminists" and "democrats", to is now a modern form - THE FETISH of what it used to be.
mircea_popescu: that's because you think there must be a clause. they're advanced, they can do without all sorts of things.
asciilifeform: my brain barfs on the missing clause..
asciilifeform: even if it were 'want to sit in hammock and sip vodka' the sentence would compile ok
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not these castrated fucks. they don't want to anything, they "just want to".
mircea_popescu: maybe we should make a site, "victims of their own stupidity", there's a decent list by now, that debian fucktard, this fucktard, that kid with the "copyright", etcetera.
mircea_popescu: which, should be pointed out, is the fate of ALL JWZ's. whoever doesn't get butchered at the hands of the accursed state they so promoted, will be butchered at my hands once i'm done raping the state.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hopefully the derp kills himself and there's one less jwz in the world.
shinohai: The plot thickens ^
asciilifeform: ^ still doesn't tell us WHY he was sacked. the attached thing is standard american boilerplate. ^
asciilifeform: 'The website also disclaims involvement with the TimeToDieJake twitter account (since renamed to VictimsOfJake) but that account was clearly coordinated with the launch of the site, even posting information from it ("at least 4 claims of sexual assaults") hours prior to it being published.'
asciilifeform: 'There are strong indications that the website was created by Tor Project contractors and/or employees. Today, the website says "Before launch, we had placeholder text for the initial site design which we did not expect to become public. We never meant to impersonate Jake or to trick anyone." but the original tweet button (which many people clicked) produced a tweet saying "I just read on @ioerror's homepage ..." which shows this to
asciilifeform: 'The website bearing Appelbaum's name, which was originally purporting to be "his" website, was being built on the same day (May 27) that the separation agreement is dated and was initially sent to Appelbaum. On June 2nd he was given two hours to sign it and told that the contents of the agreement were non-negotiable.'
asciilifeform: 'Prior to publishing https://blog.torproject.org/blog/statement The Tor Project requested that Jacob Appelbaum sign the attached separation agreement which includes a "mutual nondisparagement" clause and an agreement that he will not sue the Tor Project. After he declined to sign the agreement, they published their statement which is a blanket endorsement of any anonymous claims made against him.'
ben_vulpes: oh man and the rave/burning man scene
ben_vulpes: approx *all* cute chicks at the local public schools had ljs
asciilifeform: perhaps he can dredge up the mud nyook next.
asciilifeform: kudos to Vexual for the archaeological sweat.
asciilifeform: hence why the net drowned in own shit
mircea_popescu: if a tenth of all this blind effort went into fucking up "the state" there'd be no state
mircea_popescu: 5.135.17.28 (ovh sas - tons more from these) ; 188.120.41.9 (launchhost.net) ; 185.103.109.246 (bitcanal.pt), whatever A class, you name it, i've got it.
asciilifeform: they autopropagate.
mircea_popescu: ie, more "visits" than average usg fishwrap gets in a week. none of them yielded anything ~whatsoever~, which discorages exactly no one.
mircea_popescu: also to rest asciilifeform 's worries about web bots: trilema saw 59722 attempts to "POST /xmlrpc.php" within the past 12 hours.\
asciilifeform: ^ spot where one of the bombz fell and sank into mud, never found.
mircea_popescu: the pix are pretty good
asciilifeform: another in spain - which went splat
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash << 1961 Goldsboro B-52 crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb475/ << New Details on the 1961 Goldsboro Nuclear Accident | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961 << US nearly detonated atomic bomb over North Carolina – secret ...
trinque: it's what I get for going the official route instead of screen scraping
trinque: doesn't do the directives like "site:"
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah that one doesn't shit anything out in google proper either
asciilifeform: you oughta see their bus ads.
asciilifeform: (long gone, as far as i can tell, from the net.)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 00:49 mircea_popescu: "poets, literary men and artists in general are very peculiar fellows ; but what's very peculiar about it is that they're all the more peculiar the less talent they actually have, which makes it rather hard to explain why entirely ordinary people should be so very peculiar in the first place."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478598 << maaaaany years ago i chanced across the blog of a young (university student) math chick, who appeared to GENUINELY believe that she can become 'great' by cultivating the nervous ticks, compulsions, and miscellaneous dysfunctions paul erdos was infamous for !
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Schweich << Tom Schweich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/auditor-schweich-had-called-seeking-an-interview-just-before-his/article_879ddcd7-c997-5df3-bc61-39282c4f7434.html << Auditor Schweich had called seeking an interview just before his death | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweich << Schweich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
deedbot: http://qntra.net/ << Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics | https://twitter.com/qntra << Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter | http://qntra.net/about/ << About | Qntra
trinque: I just added qntra to the custom search panel thing explicitly; let's see if that did anything
mircea_popescu: "poets, literary men and artists in general are very peculiar fellows ; but what's very peculiar about it is that they're all the more peculiar the less talent they actually have, which makes it rather hard to explain why entirely ordinary people should be so very peculiar in the first place."
BingoBoingo: shinohai: He's some dutch kid kind of on the margins of everything
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
deedbot: http://qntra.net/ << Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics | https://twitter.com/qntra << Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter | http://qntra.net/about/ << About | Qntra
trinque: site doesn't work with the google search API
BingoBoingo: Come on this is politics, you can't believe anything being said by anybody involved other than blowing stuff up is fun.
shinohai: Wow even other SEALS hate him.
BingoBoingo: In other news, political ads are different in Missouri http://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2016/06/07/in-new-tv-spot-gubernatorial-candidate-eric-greitens-blow-stuff-up
BingoBoingo: Yeah. A socialist funding organization. Been using that on qntra for the Vessenes' scam since... forever?
BingoBoingo: Not because it is important now, but for the later lolz when the dead try to do something else
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gotta count the corpses
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: does anyobody even care ~which~ pedo directs the arisen corpse of the phoundation ??
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are hard up. Their radio advertising has definitely fallen off these past few weeks. Likely can't afford it.
asciilifeform: the fascist fella ?
asciilifeform: but the 'bitcoin == scam' isn't even wholly unreasonable for aboriginal whose entire experience of 'electronic money' has been chumpatronic
asciilifeform: and that steam train will move a man too quickly for him to breathe, etc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo double whether
mircea_popescu: eh the bitch's not making it.
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone have the requisite pseudosocial media doohickey to contact this guy https://plus.google.com/101025241405784788544 ?
BingoBoingo: "'Likely next French President Marine Le Pen (WOT:nonperson) has gone on the record stating that she would like a ban on Bitcoin. Remember kids that National Socialism is still socialism with all its kleptographic tendencies intact."
asciilifeform: waiwut didn't they already..?
mircea_popescu: well... odds are he's a principal in a charity somewhere that cooked the books. "seemed the right thing to do" "i just took people's word" "i just wanted to" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a major factor in the "i can't explain why the fuck this guy went all usgtronic".
mircea_popescu: there's more. in any case - let it be said faux charities are today as were a century ago the principal tax fraud mechanism.
mircea_popescu: the "assets match ~30% of theoretical income" is a major flag ; the periodic name changes a slightly less major flag.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here mule claims to have received donations that never showed up. win-win as they say.
asciilifeform: but that part i can see how it works (mule sends the money on).
asciilifeform: 'You know how mentally limited people who agree to work for vague international companies doing the "clerical work" of cashing checks end up with a visit from the police ? ' ( http://trilema.com/2015/thattommyhall-that-kickstarter-scamsite-this-internet-life/#selection-125.2-125.173 )
mircea_popescu: not a bad film ; cagney's a dope, friend of his offers him a position in management for a company where all he does is read the nespapers.
asciilifeform: thiel puts $sum in phoundation; then gets it back out? how ?
mircea_popescu: you ever seen "the strawberry blonde" ? 1930s film with cagney, de havilland and a still starlet rita hayworth.
asciilifeform: and for it to be in the - at time of audit.
mircea_popescu: "all frustrated at the heads using him for a sockpuppet, runs off with corp cc, is then forced to give it back"
asciilifeform: the victi^H^H^H^H^Hcontractor is required to pay tax manually.
asciilifeform: incidentally in usa if someone is employed as 'contractor' there is no payroll tax reflected in corp statement.
asciilifeform: conceivably he is paid under the table ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, they employ one catamite. the lack of payroll tax is a dead giveaway.
asciilifeform: sounds like they employ 2-3 people.
asciilifeform: and afaik neither worked nor mircea_popescud.
asciilifeform: iirc prior to deal with the devil fella was worth ~0
mircea_popescu: it was prepared by some obscure los gatos ca house (snow, bittleston &co) and is every bit as ridiculous as the rest.
asciilifeform: 'Ad-blockers undermine the ability of publishers to continue to provide free or reduced-pricecontent on the Internet because they undercut publishers’ ability to finance enterprisejournalism, and they threaten the livelihood of journalists and other content creators. These free-riding technologies are a clear and present danger to an ecosystem that hascreated a vibrant, content-filled Internet for the American public.' << gold
mircea_popescu: i have the "independent accountant review" right here.
deedbot: [Qntra] US Newspapers Band Together In Defense Of Malware - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-newspapers-band-together-in-defense-of-malware/
mircea_popescu: bullshit through and through, i have no idea how they even summon the gall to publish this unauditable nonsense.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the list as publishes sums to a suspiciously round 6,008,809. the assets claimed are ~30% that.
mircea_popescu: anyway : the numbers don't match ; total assets in 2014 ~2mn.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it, seeing how they actually credit him for ripple.
asciilifeform: 'Jed McCaleb $631,137' << from the 'top donor' pg.
mircea_popescu: the finances of mtgox are unclear.
asciilifeform: wasn't he the fella who robbed mtgox ?
mircea_popescu: old time bitcoin scammer ; kicked out around the time of the great mp scammer purge of 2013
asciilifeform: who the fuck even was that
asciilifeform: or at the very least it is his official thing.
asciilifeform: y wants to form an all-powerful usg-like stooge force to get between anyone who might be crafting 'rogue ai' (ai not designed by y and sycophants) and their work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all the psycho-pomp, the whole thing reads to me rather infantile altogether. dumbass needed to crash, ended up crashing at apartment of derpy local chav and his whorish mahalagioaica.
mircea_popescu: thoth prolly needs to be in there also though...
asciilifeform: at any rate, the operative fact re yudkowsky is that he 1) took his cult to meatspace, nailing down funding, chix, sycophants, offices, etc 2) jettisoned the now-useless reddit
mircea_popescu: at least it could be snake bodied and feathered and also have many hands and could die on the cross.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-20 03:35 mircea_popescu: "Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment that assumes that an otherwise benevolent future artificial intelligence (AI) would torture the simulated selves of the people who did not help bring about the AI's existence. [...] The concept was proposed in 2010 by contributor Roko in a discussion on LessWrong. Yudkowsky deleted the posts regarding it and banned further discussion of Roko's basilisk on LessWrong af
asciilifeform: ^ interesting character from the lesswrong heyday. wrote 'harry potter and rationality' but for 'fifty shades'. also famous for having introduced 'offending wimminz is off limits' to lesswrong; and for suffering 'nightmares' on account of 'roko's basilisk'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 19:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who wrote the above ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Anyways the people who sucessfully substitute vapes for cigs tend to run at 400-500 degrees which cooks many of the glycols theys use to maintain nicotine suspension into preservatives. If preserving lungs I'd rather do it with good old fashioned creosote.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sure but how does this relate to whether formaldehyde forms ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: filter on real cigarettes provides opportunity for smoke to cool pleasantly. They didn't become the standard for health reasons...
BingoBoingo: Yeah vapefag setups tryhard the temperature too much which is unpleasant and generates srs formaldahyde
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I'm making runs at just pulling the bandaid off and learning a lot about physiological processes nicotine involves itself in that they don't really teach the kids about in school. For example: Nicotine causes causes stored sugahs to be released into the blood stream which means a substantial portion of the pain of acute nicotine withdrawal is related to the Beetus.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gabriel_laddel: Still got the agents watching you?
BingoBoingo: Good. Happy, Joyous, and well... not as free as I like but maybe I'll kick the nicotine problem in the not too distant future.