mircea_popescu gloats over how his lines read better retrospectively than prospectively. THIS is true literature, and i doubt very much one in a hundred "genius writers" and other revered authors of yore qualify.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 14:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform next, watch the usg agents derping about how "cryptocurrency is dead because our shitscheme imploded" ; and once that goes nowhere, watch them come back to bitcoin to "fix" the "consensus problems" it "has".
thestringpuller: so the mineres may not
asciilifeform: eh you can prolly buy ~handful~ for the advertised quote
mircea_popescu: well, these numbers are a) arbitrary and b) unbacked.
mircea_popescu: hey, even ripple is still there. "one day".
mircea_popescu: but in other "visual etherape news for the illiterate generation", http://67.media.tumblr.com/36e00e3012c6f7f252b86d785f444e79/tumblr_o4ja87GL7E1vo212ao1_400.gif
mod6: heheh, someday when i buy the hog and cattle farms
asciilifeform: mats: this doesn't solve the problem in a guaranteed way, as the thing has been known to crash
mats: more advice for the future: buy a ups.
mod6: this is almost worth me like creating a development environment where I can take a copy of chain and just do some playing around on there. even with a broken chain.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has it though. bdb keeps a rather dubious index structure.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 16:15 mod6: i may try to find some time yet this weekend to take a look at this blkcut thing -- this may be away to roll life saving numbers on your block chain after a power outage in the future.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484545 << pretty sure it is the ~index~ that gets hosed, not the blocks
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. im thinking about a new feature for your tool, or perhaps, a new tool altogether.
mod6: i'll be back around later. best of luck thestringpuller
mod6: sorry i've been afk much of the week. have been pulling super long days shit-shoveling.
thestringpuller: good advice for the future.
mod6: so if your block index goes from 385,000 to 408,000, you could tell it "407,000" and then the output would contain everything from 385,000 to 407,000
mod6: but it'd be a much better tool to just produce a new file with all blocks in the original previous to block n.
mod6: you could just ditch the entire latest one (numerically)
mod6: s/in the future/after adding a feature/
mod6: i may try to find some time yet this weekend to take a look at this blkcut thing -- this may be away to roll life saving numbers on your block chain after a power outage in the future.
mod6: i think others have had problems with the same exact thing. power goes out -> bad things may happen.
thestringpuller: so i'll jus tstart synching from ascii's node then i'll swap out for SSD once it picks up
mod6: thestringpuller: anyway, i get that you're "pissed" as you said the other day. if this is production server, you need to have some sort of backups indeed imo. if this is development, well, it's all part of the fun.
mod6: ok. cool. yeah, was thinking it'd be cool if we could get his blockchain height, say 408,001 and then chop off the last say, 1000 blocks so he'd be starting at 407,001
asciilifeform: mod6: easiest thing is just to set extract = 1 only when n = B, where B is the block you want.
mircea_popescu: and in further lulz installments, http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117593
asciilifeform: there's nothing else to do but looks at every block up to N and wind forward s bytes
mod6: im got my hands full. am asking for thestringpuller who seems to be struggling
asciilifeform: to the -moon !
mod6: asciilifeform: hey (i think I've asked this before) but; the blkcut utility doesn't allow a guy to exacto-knife one block out of a blkindex file does it?
thestringpuller: how to kill a 1.5bn dollar bubble overnight, the buterin waterfall story
asciilifeform: l0l! nailing the doors shut didn't help?!111
thestringpuller: ethereum is plummeting
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4oovpi/to_the_dao_and_the_ethereum_community/ << in other lulz.
shinohai: the lulz were bound to spill from that one on it's own
asciilifeform: gimme back the '90s www.
asciilifeform: the long-term answer is a ~journaling~ 'bitcoinfs.'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 14:58 mircea_popescu: expecting a 100s of GB datastore produced through the fragile stack known as bitcoin to survive for years intact is a bit much.
asciilifeform: the no. 2 funder of yudkowsky's scam
asciilifeform: btw footnote 1 of http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion seems to be the tidbit i was looking for in the last thread re jed mccaleb
deedbot: [Trilema] To the DAO and the Ethereum community : Fuck you. - http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: you telling me the whole entire field of usgtronic plans collapsed suddenly and irretrievably one fine morning ?
thestringpuller: and buterin is freaking out cause if they don't like the "hackers" coins, they can't move to PoS
thestringpuller: now big ether holders are PISSED
thestringpuller: ethereum bragged about how commoonitee was unified
mircea_popescu: for BingoBoingo's own lulz collection : http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: But seriously bitcoind can be rather sensitive to sudden loss of power. Machine running it needs plugged into a battery.
mircea_popescu blames the jews.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: not quite news yet. Anyone can make a pastebin. Also batteries
mircea_popescu: expecting a 100s of GB datastore produced through the fragile stack known as bitcoin to survive for years intact is a bit much.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 11:09 thestringpuller: guess node will be ready in 2 months
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: thestringpuller: if there's a problem with blockchain/index, better start from the beginning or known good backup
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: lol "Ryan has endorsed Trump. But his use of the word conscience could prove helpful to delegates organizing the anti-Trump campaign because they are pushing to pass a conscience clause that would unbind delegates and allow them to vote for whomever they want"
asciilifeform: apparently cosmic rayz luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv 'The Sherpany Investor Service lets you include your shareholders in advance of the General Meeting, recognise early what matters to them and facilitates new ways of voting (eVoting).'
asciilifeform: 'Sherpany is the first independent platform that facilitates close, personal and tangible communication between companies, boards of directors and investors. Modern companies can solidify the loyalty of investors, focus on their work in the board of directors and increase corporate governance with Sherpany.' << wat.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 01:39 thestringpuller: yea too many people are making money shorting eth right now to halt trading
mircea_popescu: heh. is the society still active or anything ?
smickles: yeah, but you could still have fun with it, but now there are massive fees for trading. they are using it for an isk-sink
mircea_popescu: vitalik niggerin, as the case may be.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how "the world" works.
trinque: how the hell does a "distributed autonomous organization" give a statement
trinque: This is good for Ethereum! (TM) (R)
shinohai: https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/743972769717641216 "Reminder: the fact that we were reduced to begging exchanges and spamming our own blockchain is a testament to ethereum's decentralization"
thestringpuller: http://intheoreum.org << lulz
mircea_popescu: these brave weeklings, all tough and impressive as they've read on the inside of the eggshell.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 16:05 thestringpuller: 2/2 - I'd be VERY interested to know the identify of anyone coordinating an effort to oppose a hardfork. PM me stephan@slock.it
shinohai: "Practically, this should mark the end of The DAO. The SlockIt folks should work hard to dismantle the fund and return the coins back to the investors in as orderly a fashion as possible.'
mircea_popescu: with any luck, by 2017 they're entirely spent. that'd be such a perfect outcome of the whole ethereum idiocy i can't begin to tell you.
mircea_popescu: they're both just old-man-fat, though.
asciilifeform: but can you get fiber there.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo in other nyooz, saw ad for quite intact row house for 26k-usd. then looked on map - it is across the street from the infamous pharmacy that was epicenter of bmore riot! go, buy ? << But how many people can it quarter compared to Motel?
mircea_popescu: but anywya, it should be very instructive that the whole pretense of "1bn market cap" etc is based on a negligible sum of cash, that's not even truthfully exposed.
mircea_popescu: "poloniex" for instance (about 3/4 of the eth fakery) claims ~6k btc on the buy side. bullcrap.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo in other nyooz, saw ad for quite intact row house for 26k-usd. then looked on map - it is across the street from the infamous pharmacy that was epicenter of bmore riot! go, buy ?
mircea_popescu: ~what i'm expecting is that in typical inept overwhelmed imperial bureaucracy fashion, some "ceiling"'s going to get hit and before the red tape can be cut through, the true buyer side'll be actually exposed and visible. a visage so grotesque and horrific as to forever mark itself in the hindbrains of all involved.
asciilifeform: or were we not still on the eth thing
asciilifeform: the unhappenator is gonna have to work double-hard
mircea_popescu: aaand another 20mn.
mircea_popescu: wasn't some stuff added by funkenstain and the p guy what was his name
asciilifeform: (the latter is presently at 2580575/4265572 )
asciilifeform: can even go in parallel with the current sks pump.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you send me a tarball, they'll go in wholesale.
mircea_popescu: look into how to make a rebased version of any of the 3-4 items that await their rebasing.
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, it's exciting and all, but really, it'll still be here next week an' no good reason to hussle peoples. nobody was tailgating the shit out of you when you were doing the crawling
mircea_popescu: eh give the man a moment wouldja. it's been what, two days ?
Framedragger: jurov: apologies for not spotting the above, and thank you muchly!
Framedragger: look i just came back from an awesome mountain hike, can't even move my legs, but have just enough energy to re-use someone else's precious hacky code to test the ssh-rsa db entries
jurov: lol you think the latter is better?
Framedragger: jurov: do you have a script which uses PGPy and generates rfc4880 from e,N, then?
Framedragger: jurov: irc interface is for the lazy people
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 14:24 jurov: if it requires self-signature, then testing ssh keys is out
Framedragger: asciilifeform: re openpgp format: wait a sec, doesn'tt the 'packet' (as they are called there it seems) containing user info have to be signed or sth?
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-idUSKCN0Z30W3 << huh, guess the "moderates" and the "terrorists" don't shoot each other when they mingle
trinque: so the ass-dicking continueth
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-strike-idUSKCN0Z306L << and lately USG helps Al Qaeda / ISIS to what end? presumably to light a fire all along the southern border of Russia.
jurov: thestringpuller: still having probles with coinbr orders?
BingoBoingo: What the KGB did to American culture is unforgivable
trinque: hell I'll give Trump this: he's talked about pulling out of NATO and improving the relationship with Russia.
mircea_popescu: (notice the rollbacks on her buttocks, also)
asciilifeform: conan the barbarian ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, we have a breaking ethereum update :
asciilifeform: i have nfi what the genuine stupidity looked like.
mircea_popescu: there's no good way to distinguish sheer stupidity from randomness. the usg is ~about this dumb irl.
asciilifeform: the genuine article - afaik - never leaked.
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to enumerate the "auto-surv stats" bs on that no-fly-list.com page ?
asciilifeform: trinque: the last time they elected a fella who actually thought the buttons were connected, they had to shoot him later
mircea_popescu: trinque ~nothing he's said makes any sense in any actual perspective. the man's a walking soundbite.
trinque: I don't think he's a puppet; I think he's the spray-tanned caricature of something better cultures produce
trinque: intentions don't really matter; it's whether he can do anything he's rambling about
trinque: I see him more like the guy who, guts hanging out after a grenade, tries as he might to stuff them back in.
asciilifeform: then entirely electable as an obamatronic muppet.
asciilifeform: (then again it is quite possible that all of 'his' money is denominated in buffettola, and he's entirely compliant, i have nfi)
mircea_popescu: it currently looks like it's going to go the 2nd way.
mircea_popescu: there's a very simple choice, "push buttons connected to nothing in particular in the hopes that time machine activates and it's 1992 all over again" vs "push buttons connected to nothing in particular in the hopes that something burns down".
asciilifeform: trump is no moar electable than perot was, and for same reason - will try to push the buttons that aren't connected to anything, and get belligerent, and has the resources to attempt to do something about it
mircea_popescu: trinque cnn moving on the buttered side.
asciilifeform: utinely publishes breaking changes - note the trouble node.js has had tracking upstream.'
asciilifeform: 'I'd like to ask specifically about Fare's criticism of large jets. Since it's highly unlikely that the Hoon implementation is bug-for-bug compatible with the native markdown parser, is including that parser in a jet an "unprincipled exception" to Urbit's vision of deterministic functional purity? An even better example is the possible future inclusion of a native JS or Lua interpreter... V8 in particular is a massive project that ro
asciilifeform: 'For example, I would love to offer my own children a filtered Internet experience where I owned and controlled the filter. Ideally, that would mean an MITM proxy running on my own cloud server. I would not trust anyone else to MITM me or my children, but I feel quite comfortable MITMing my 8-year-old daughter. So that's another long-term use case.' << also mr mold
mircea_popescu: except there's no 2% here, i would be much surprised if a fiat dollar is worth a turkey cent.
mircea_popescu: and which, as an end game, i'm perfectly fine with. who the fuck cares the soviets don't like living in the best countryt in the world. a) i told them to leave and b) if they deserved any better they'd shoot the gestapo.
mircea_popescu: the ~only solution is, obviously, a withdrawal of the usg inside its borders. which has been happening and is accelerating.
mircea_popescu: and this is exactly how soros raped the bank of england, fake convertibilities form circuits.
mircea_popescu: the "convertibility" of 1:1 turkey dollars to fiat dollars is a very expensive proposition.
mircea_popescu: but what's important here is the "turning fake dollars into turkey dolars through market destruction/replacement" mechanism.
asciilifeform: not problem until he picks up the handset and nobody answers
mircea_popescu: this allows mp to turkey-ize the fake dollars, by denying a market to the usg agentura.
mircea_popescu: ere BOTH turner and popescu have 100 : in the second situation, turner doesn't stand a chance.
mircea_popescu: and to best understand HOW the turkeyization works, consider the case of argentina, wherein exist both an old cuckold by the name turner as well as a young rapist by the name popescu. now, for whatever imponderable cargo cult reasons (see http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/ for discussion), the local cunts want "dollars". there's a huge difference between situation 1, where turner has 100, and situation 2, wh
asciilifeform: 'We'll announce specifics of a crowdsale soon, so I'm gonna dodge just a little. (Honestly, we're still deciding exactly how to do it). I can say, the idea is to sell a small number of stars and to cap the total number anyone can buy.' << finally the altcoin sc4mz0r motive.
asciilifeform: if yer feeding the monkey regardless, why not have it do tricks.
asciilifeform: so where is the cost
mircea_popescu: looky, yarvin's fast food bill is no cost, he'd be eating it off ebt anyway. similarly whatever similar schmuck's credit card expenses to the tune of 5k we discussed recently.
asciilifeform: in urbit's case, usg (in its andreessen horowitz face) is paying to keep a dozen bois fed ('press the clown face for a food pellet') and housed (subsidies to silicon valley land racket.) so about 1/1000th of a google.
mircea_popescu: this is currently, and for as long as it'll last, a black hole in the usg budget to parallel the f-35 airplane-coffeemaker-submarine combo.
asciilifeform: that's the key here, fiatola is ~= a superconductor.
asciilifeform: they pay ~100% back to landlords.
asciilifeform: no moar than my electric co is in the hole. goes in, and mostly back out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg.mit a further 20mn in the hole. an' the volume keeps on growing lolz.
phf: also https://www.reddit.com/r/urbit/comments/4okcm6/were_the_core_urbit_team_ask_us_anything_about
phf: i thought the chinese finally got to me
trinque: lol, on the pubkey?
asciilifeform: as well they should.
asciilifeform: after that - the roustabouts go home.
asciilifeform: like oil well, lasts for so long as the dinojuice is in the ground at sufficient pressure.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, there'll be plenty of that once the us croaks and the power has to be split up.
asciilifeform: so happens that we have another su about to nova
mircea_popescu: you need supernova, stuff like the soviets falling over, to BRIEFLY get such wonders.
mircea_popescu: think in terms of nuclear processes. "where are the pressures that create elements heavier than iron ?" "not in this star"
asciilifeform: so where are the old-fashioned kidnappings where they take 3 sons and send back the head of one, the ears of other, the nose of 3rd ?
mircea_popescu: another case : fambly does poorly economically, borrows, can't repay. lender goes : either you produce crops or human fat, but you'll produce. so they do. etc.
asciilifeform: nothing about finger-choppings in there tho!
mircea_popescu: 1. young man is worth X according to young woman, sqrt(X) according to woman's father. 2. man "kidnaps" woman, proving that he's actually worth sqrt(x)+k, where k is the safety margin the father allowed. 3. young couple needs money, and the old faggot owes.
asciilifeform: how does the ransom work tho
mircea_popescu: which is what it mostly is. gotta somehow resolve the joint problems of 1. cunt and money flows need to be matched ; 2. age and money flows need to be matched ; 3. cunt flow and age must be matched.
mircea_popescu: these resulted in 1) 0 police interventions ; 2) 0 victims ; 3) a few dozen marriages
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's been ~100 cases of "kidnapping" reported in buenos aires last year alone. worth maybe about 1mn all together.
asciilifeform: patience!1111 they'll undrop!
mircea_popescu: awww! but ethereum continues to drop ? i thought the usg.mit.mongoloid party had "infinite funds"! !!!
mircea_popescu: moreover, where wife has the authority to settle estates and dispose of chattels.
asciilifeform: now account for the males ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 17:23 mircea_popescu: and the fucking examples are from colombia and whatnot. tell you what, newspapers here were full of some woman who ran a parillada (cheaapo restaurant) who had her kid kidnapped which the newspapers related to her "flashing lots of money" and "publicly declaring she's making asd much as 10-15k pesos a month" (about $800)
mircea_popescu: similarly to how "programmers" of docker and javascript are pissants not worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you read an article about "vehicles" that strictly discussed am i would say the AUTHOR is a pissant not worth the mention. which is what i;m saying here also.
asciilifeform: yeah it looks somewhat like the 'nsa codename generator' from a few yrs back
asciilifeform: "100 of instances worth 30mn a year" << is also, iirc, about same as the market of aston-martin. will say that a-m is also insignificant pissant unworthy of mention ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i started to say how : they miss any sort of comprehension of anything. vaguely alluding to shit they read on reddit dun count for journalism.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 17:19 fromphuctor: So pasting in a bare modulus would be the easiest, and GPG and SSH would just be fancyness to make the website easy to use
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484076 << see the logs, this is covered, we even made a new tmsr standard for rsa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's gunk from end to end, i'd rather "read" the excrement found in a bona fide chicken coop.
phf: trinque: sure, put 104.131.72.249 and i have another ip which i need to fish out later
trinque: phf: yeah I mean, WONT STOP HITLER MITM, but I'd prefer putting your IP in the firewall and pg_hba
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's a fundamental behaviour at the intersextion of sexuality, property and generational change. so... whatevs.
asciilifeform: they are every bit as lulzy as antivirus firms
mircea_popescu: now then : it's a major anthropological tradition, with millions of instances yearly and no dollar value, because the dollar is a meaningless measure of value.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant the insurers
mircea_popescu: traditionally marriage started with kidnapping a woman, much like rome started with borrowed sabines and all flocks of sheep ever started from the neighbour's sheep.
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: in fact, this is recommended practice, say something in in the username string re 'this key generated by ... for ...' or the like.
mircea_popescu: and the fucking examples are from colombia and whatnot. tell you what, newspapers here were full of some woman who ran a parillada (cheaapo restaurant) who had her kid kidnapped which the newspapers related to her "flashing lots of money" and "publicly declaring she's making asd much as 10-15k pesos a month" (about $800)
trinque: phf: would you be connecting to the db via btcbase.org ?
fromphuctor: Looks like it's going to take me a while to get up to speed on pgp. Is there even a way to minimally wrap an RSA public key without entering name and info fields?
trinque: http://www.no-fly-list.com/details/Bo_Saluga << what the fuck are threat vectors and aberrant behavior ranges
asciilifeform: another coupla
mircea_popescu: the other piece is fucking ridicuouls, "100 of instances worth 30mn a year" is ~the global market of nose hair salons.
asciilifeform: (the kind that have fingerprints, usernames, series of moduli that may be shared between multiple keys, etc)
asciilifeform: well no, roughly 95% of the code is related specifically to displaying gpg-format keys.
fromphuctor: So pasting in a bare modulus would be the easiest, and GPG and SSH would just be fancyness to make the website easy to use
asciilifeform: correct. but the actual db shuffling and conversion to pretty printed www material, etc. is laborious.
fromphuctor: All it's doing is extracting the rsa modulus before it gets to work, right?
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: this is in the works. (it will take a while, because it makes the thing roughly 2x more complicated)
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
fromphuctor: I'd rather know what the format is and assemble the bits in linqpad, if anyone has a reference lying around. Can't seem to find it quickly via google.
fromphuctor: x509 certificates for various timestamping servers. All either 2048-bit or 4096-bit, all exponents are 65537.
fromphuctor: I have a bunch of RSA moduli I'd like to test. The phuctor entry page says it requires GPG public keys. How do I format them as GPG keys?
asciilifeform: http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=1&aid=36&dir=2010/January/Monday18 << lulzy piece, re one of the ways moneyz are pried loose from folk who dun belong having any
asciilifeform: as per the last crow.
thestringpuller: Funny. Ethereum was able to recreate the traditional banking system in 1% of the time! With bailouts and everything.
mircea_popescu: with any luck after he does that he could maybe get a job consulting for the clinton she-slug
shinohai: dao -34.34 % <<< another 10% since this morning
mircea_popescu: unfortunately for the "greatest country^H^H^H^H^Hgovernment in the world"'s ambitions, the horse keeps turning out lame and slutty.
mircea_popescu: mno, it was ripple v2.0, "usg must have a horse in the race".
mircea_popescu: except these aren't made out of real people, but out of esltards and other civilised shitheads, so they keep falling over.
mircea_popescu: the point is EXACTLY the same ineptitude of usgism that created the taliban, "russians must have competitor", and then the isis "taliban must have competitor" and so on.
mircea_popescu: about 97% to 3% or thereabouts being the split of these two categories, historically.
mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING else you see is mostly fake in the sense of "my webpage can print any numbers i want it to", and less so in the sense "mit will pay so you say shit smells nice"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "chumps" bought in worth less than 100k.
mircea_popescu: anyway. hopefully they don't get spooked and do as you say. end up paying the market cap out of pocket a dozen times over the next coupla years, one for each consecutive hole.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the fiat exchanges are even faker than the bitcoin ones, but still, money IS bleeding out. i can assure you of that much :D
asciilifeform: i doubt they'll pay a cent.
mircea_popescu: so they're actually gonna pay out the whole billion the shitpile is supposedly "market cap" ?
asciilifeform: and it isn't like they had to ~spend~ any
mircea_popescu: anyway. so they're in well over 100 fake mn by now. what's the usg.mit budget for propping up the scamcoin ? any guesses ?
mircea_popescu: in the sense ubuntu is linux and systemd a demon
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is a kind of poor man's irc. has centralized logs, bots, etc. for money.
asciilifeform: the slack in question might be a proprietary chat proggy