mircea_popescu: cool then.
asciilifeform: the overview root page shows 0 comments
asciilifeform: the admin panel offers me to mod comments
asciilifeform: but it only displays if you click on the post
mircea_popescu: i wanna see the blog that gets more.
asciilifeform: i found the barfatron:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not exactly, no. gotta fit them in trilema socket.
mircea_popescu: it's flood killer / antibot measure, otherwise you can actually get destroyed by botnet relaying the same comment over and over 100times/s.
asciilifeform: so i can't actually use virginal themes ??
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the theme, same file, comments.php. part of the comment form, grep for "comment_post_ID" and put it under
mircea_popescu: so they do!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he crafitily discovered there's a missing bit.
mircea_popescu: get the two hashes to line up, ima make a comment on article with update. it has been 7 years huh.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think the anti-spam instructions are missing bit for comment_post_time
mircea_popescu: well, when this engages what it does is, "Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again."
asciilifeform: (dns existed for eons, and there was an old and bitrotten thing there which is no moar)
asciilifeform: the default.
asciilifeform: i HAVE a theme
mircea_popescu: of course. as you've no theme. neh ?
asciilifeform: so what should be taken out then ?
mircea_popescu: it won't likely degrade the scheme enough for you to notice.
mircea_popescu: way these work is, they collect form data once with spider, come back and spam it for years afterwards.
mircea_popescu: you could alternatively take the thing out of wp-comments-post.php ; all it does is it prevents serious spam operations from working
asciilifeform: holy shit, i have to manually massage every theme?!
phf: asciilifeform: wp-content/themes/default/comments.php
asciilifeform: i dun get it, do i need the rewrites? and if so, which? what does 'RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} .t-1813 [OR]' ~do~ ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trhe idea is you want either both of the chunks linked or neither. currently you have only the top one (in wp-comments-post.php ) but not hte bottom one (in /wp-content/theme/comments.php )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is quite unclear to me what part of the rewrite rule is necessary for the spamatron
mircea_popescu: next time that guy comes in that was trying to fix qntra, i guess we get him to make you a special wp 2.7 theme to spec ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a blessing, of course. you want 2015 theme like you want karachi street whore.
mircea_popescu: phf http://trilema.com/2009/trilema-anti-spam/ << see the part going "si respectiv in comments.php a temei," aka "in the comments.php file in your theme"
mircea_popescu: phf hey, you gotta fix the antispam bit, which prolly has a fixed path in it or something ? currently not letting me comment.
mircea_popescu: luckiest perms there are.
phf: fwiw i only created uploads, and it made the structure on its own, after i fixed permissions
phf: well, you want to go to wp-admin/media-new.php, try and upload something, see if it lands in the dir?
asciilifeform: i created the dir
asciilifeform: (all failures will be silent, considering that i had to destroy the error printer)
asciilifeform: i created the default, but all uploads silently fail
asciilifeform: doesn't seem to exist in the config
mircea_popescu: seeing how you'll have to come up with something EACH DAY, soon enough the broken state of the world becomes a revelry.
asciilifeform: 'strip away the marble until statue is left'
mircea_popescu: also, trilema doesn't have search box either. wtf search box.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you can make theme as css light as you wish. heck, make it pure html barf. or for that matter, plaintext.
phf: well, so far i have everything as rw r r, but i suspect to edit theme you'll need to either chown to apache's user, or chown to group and add rw rw r
asciilifeform: but because the LAST time i did this, i had ~0 standards and didn't give a fuck
asciilifeform: holy SHIT a theme called 'simple skeleton' is 400+KB.
mircea_popescu: but to get this benefit, mark spam as spam rather than delete it.
mircea_popescu: phf it has a pretty powerful antispam mechanism. it spits on people who try to send pingbacks from other ips than the blog in question ; it quarantines people who try to add posts with links to anything other than your own blog ; and it auto-spams people it recognizes on the basis of the already marked as spam.
mircea_popescu: oh btw, this auto-resizes images. i just upload whatever and it gives me 560xblabla fit for the page.
mircea_popescu: you can prolly reuse THAT theme acvtuall.
asciilifeform: incl the crap on my 1st site
asciilifeform: they all have half a meg of css etc.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently this is not possible, to be in a situation where the right php.ini contains a display_errors off switch and yet the page barfs warnings.
mircea_popescu: but i have spun up half the php army, so something better come of it.
mircea_popescu: that's what i said @phf. you'll need a theme.
asciilifeform: nor any page thereof.
mircea_popescu: did you get a theme ?
asciilifeform: the control panel - does. site - no.
asciilifeform: but the site NEVER DISPLAYS
asciilifeform: i still get the strict_standards bullshit
asciilifeform: the 2 hrs spent fighting with db, that is WASTED work, also
asciilifeform: THIS is the kind of idiocy i was hoping to avoid.
mircea_popescu: is it reading some other config file or somesuch ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the php thing worked, ty.
mircea_popescu: the beans eater, concerts on ... organ.
mircea_popescu: the sturgeon eater, concerts on piano.
mircea_popescu: "is the man fucking himself on the stick portruding from the woman's butt ? or is he contraiwise, impelling an attached probiscus into her hole ?"
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://67.media.tumblr.com/37905f5f3ad030995ecd4893d1589546/tumblr_nrc05kjNv61uy0bt6o1_500.gif << linked mostly for the amusing circumstance where the penis resembles a lengthy stick with a ballsac-bow at middle, and it's unclear to which of the two it's actually attached. such social commentary.
mircea_popescu is hazy on the details.
asciilifeform: it fills MOST OF THE SCREEN
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is damned flexible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also, what 'allow from' ought to be used in the .htaccess in your wp-includes/js dir ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. most of the shit should be cut out with irons, there's room for maybe 2k lines there in like 3 files once one's done shaving the hairball.
asciilifeform: there's 10,000 man-years of undone pyramid.
asciilifeform: one of the few useful concepts we got from rms was 'source == form-preferable-for-modification'
mircea_popescu: everything is 100% ascii text. notwithstanding the damage iconoclasts of your tribe try to do to alphabet.,
mircea_popescu: so ? translate them to chars like phf did for lisp.
asciilifeform: at least not in the whole.
mircea_popescu: fine apprentice job altogether.
mircea_popescu: for one thing - splendid entry level project to learn v without having to know wtf project 9 level arcana is. for the other - still some crud that could do with taking out etc.
mircea_popescu: phf http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wp-mptargz.gpg << it's all there ; run a grep over the files for "fill your own" to see what you need to add ; you'll also need a theme (goes in /wp-content ) and obviously a mysql db.
mircea_popescu: there's an inviolate margin between ideal-code and deployed-code for instance. which this crude notion of "merging" aims to breach.
mircea_popescu: it's just that i see a lot more compartments, separate, than is customary in "the profession"/"the biz".
asciilifeform: i did not come up with any serious objection. but it may yet be the case that this is a chair for giants.
mircea_popescu: it's strictly a "yes, shit and myelin both go into body, but there's a membrane between them".
mircea_popescu: the statement was that PEOPLE SHOULDN'\ EXPECT TO REUSE other people's patches in contexts not intended by those other people ; but instead hand pollinate.
asciilifeform: phf: iirc it ended with mircea_popescu's pithy observation that perhaps folks should not even expect to be able to use other peoples' patches directly, but rather each maintain own tree
phf: so do i, but we don't send patches to each other. v needs a distribute team to put it through paces, but every time we do, we et lively philosophical conversations as to how it supposed to actually be used
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, phuctor has crunched all of sks circa may 2016.
asciilifeform: does a motherfucking blog engine need to weigh 1000s of lines of ???.
asciilifeform: THE FUCK
phf: by the way, what's wrong with current %seen?
asciilifeform: oodles of shell crapolade in there.
phf: i'm not even sure why i'm participating in this conversation, y'all just ranting over each other :>
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By the cat-v plan9 people
mircea_popescu: aokthen!
mircea_popescu: anyway, to the topic : the lot of you've got to be insane to opine on the matter without actually trying the set-up i declare to be happy with, which also carries the endless millions of trilemawords, longer than any codeball ever written.
asciilifeform: ah then normal adult man l0l
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bout the usual quart a week.
mircea_popescu: today, tried the contents. pears delicious, the liquoir a bit strong. brewed fresh pot of coffee, added it in. OMFG best coffee ever.
asciilifeform: a rubbish blog gotta be augmentable from devices other than battlestation
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 01:32 mircea_popescu bought a coupla dozen, chopped them off, stuck in jars with clove, muskatnuss, a little alspice and about 3 bottles of cognac
mircea_popescu: trinque it's not as bad as it seems theoretically, on the grounds of apache being utter shit.
asciilifeform: then serve up static.
asciilifeform: what i want is to generate them ONCE, when EDITED.
trinque: the idea of a "web framework" generating pages each request is insane, even on high-churn sites
trinque hated on the wiki recently; maybe I'll write a CL html generator sometime soon
trinque: they're an afternoon tops
asciilifeform: probably but this is again the bmore house
mircea_popescu: on the upside you can prolly have emacs macro to properly handle image linkage if you have a fixed scheme
mircea_popescu: you can tell a shit language (html) by the fact that as it matures it goes back where it started from : infancy.
asciilifeform: it is probably what i'll end up doing, but it crosses over the worth-doing threshhold to wrong side.
mircea_popescu confesses to being tempted by such a scheme many times past, because that way the headers would be historically accurate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then just write straight html, what.
asciilifeform: i dun need multiple concurrent editors or whatever other rubbish.
asciilifeform: would really like to dispense with the db crapolade.
asciilifeform: just watching the js turds flicker.
asciilifeform: there is NO public software worth considering.
asciilifeform: where existing langs aren't even enough for the truly 1333333333337
mircea_popescu also defines the grammar of languages, eg. romanian. and then "alert reader" calls him on it, and mp says fuck you, language is codified by the languagemaker, the poet and the genius generally. which is me, not you. now fix those cookbooks and laundry lists you call "grammar books"
asciilifeform: only in the sense that a furniture store run by a giant is 'sinful'
mircea_popescu: so far we're working on whether it's, strictly speaking, a sin
asciilifeform: this isn't a sin peculiar to mircea_popescu either.
asciilifeform: the alert martian-reader, hell.
mircea_popescu: the alert man-reader or just merely reader ?
asciilifeform: the alert reader!111
asciilifeform: question is the labour.
mircea_popescu: in other words, i don't believe manhood to be much of an innate talent. there'\s good arguments for the position.
mircea_popescu: it's deeply unclear to me the acrobat, rather than the stripped that comfortably dps, is at issue here.
asciilifeform: not in the sense those 88 cent cans of tuna have a cost.
asciilifeform: see, that was my contention, that the thing HAS NO COST
mircea_popescu: but yes, granted, the spot's not for everyone.
asciilifeform: (what is the cost of becoming a circus acrobat?)
asciilifeform: and the cost of ~getting~ in, even if physically possible, is not calculable in any straight manner.
asciilifeform: so for instance, upon first look it appears that 20-30mil u.s. will get you a simple 'bent pipe' launched into orbit, but then you notice that you gotta be in 3 different wots that asciilifeform isn't in.
asciilifeform: again, the number is potentially $maxint, depending on how much of civilization you gotta rebuild in order to even play
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 00:38 mircea_popescu: in the sense a luxury car is "100k" or a cellphone "1500". yeah, right, read the maintenance contracts.
asciilifeform: i could say a number but it will be misleading, for same reason as the private jet thread
mircea_popescu: what capital figure did you come up with as ther threshold ?
asciilifeform: ... conclusion being, ~other~ folks, with serious economic weight behind them, can and do indeed launch sats.
mircea_popescu: in principle a household should be capable to intake 500 lbs of freshly slaugthered pig and craft it into food supplies worth ~1 1/4 mn delicious calories
mircea_popescu: but - on the upside, teach girl to cure meats etc, loads of fun uber valuable skills.
asciilifeform: from them.
asciilifeform: and learn to breathe water.
asciilifeform: when i go sailing i will be sure to also ask her to pick up some fish so we can learn from them how.
mircea_popescu: gee whiz, what the fuck sense could it make to interact with the very subject of your interest!
mircea_popescu: local fauna lives there, amirite ?
asciilifeform: wtf do i need the local fauna for.
asciilifeform: and bear in the woods.
asciilifeform: why not send to fuck monkey in the zoo, also
mircea_popescu: this is why slavery doesn't work as an educational ploy without the whip.
mircea_popescu: you know what the next step is, right ?
mircea_popescu: instead, i'm merely exploring the known, as found in this here endless library.
mircea_popescu: the ones like you, without uncle, fought hyena for cave. about as likely to "construct" cave as hyena.
mircea_popescu: no fucking ancestors built house for themselves.
asciilifeform: y'know, the thing ~100% of our ancestors managed to do.
asciilifeform: testing hypothesis 'it is possible to build box to keep the rain out, with own hands and minimal expenditure'
mircea_popescu: there are things upon which modesty is impossible.
mircea_popescu: seems to be the dream here - if i carve the right words into immutable functional space, mega meat army pops.
mircea_popescu: welllll then...
asciilifeform: anyway, asciilifeform is not a jew in the sense contemplated in the quote. this requires 'heritage' to stand on the shoulders off - uncles who will invest in your schemes, etc. -- but instead is more of crashed flyer.
mircea_popescu: it didn't luck out to be picked by the "identity politics" circus, so it's not an insult at all! fancy its luck.
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mircea_popescu: the only question before you, mr alf-form, is : are you a jew ?
mircea_popescu: ow food or to gaze at a limitless land and call it your own, no, no. You just go on and on and on repeating this process over the centuries over and over and suddenly you make a grand discovery. You have a mercantile heritage! You are a merchant. You are known as a usurer, a man with secret resources, a witch, a pawnbroker, a sheenie, a makie and a kike! "
mircea_popescu: cloth, cut it into three pieces and sell it for three pennies profit. But, my friend, during that time you must never succumb to buying an extra piece of bread for the table or a toy for a child, no. You must immediately run out and get yourself a still larger piece cloth and so you repeat this process over and over and suddenly you discover something. You have no longer any desire, any temptation to dig into the Earth to gr
mircea_popescu: hy or an army or a land myth. All you have is a little brain. A little brain and a great bearded legend to sustain you and convince you that you are special, even in poverty. But this little brain, that's the real key you see. With this little brain you go out and you buy a piece of cloth and you cut that cloth in two and you go and sell it for a penny more than you paid for it. Then you run right out and buy another piece of
mircea_popescu: "You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in one place long enough to have a geograp
mircea_popescu: the other's, in the words of that pawnbroker ( http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/ ) jew,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's exactly two ways to construct value into this world. one's to take the 1/4 * 350mn / 2 = 40 or so million currently useless refuse and turn them into women. even if you only manage a small %, it's still something. aka, uranium water filtering.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> whole gedankenexperiment was predicated on 'fix carcass' << White gase camp stove is $50 to $350. There, kitchen.
asciilifeform: 'water water everywhere, and still the boards did shrink'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's position is considerably closer to that, than to the egyptian paterfamilias.
mircea_popescu: but from HIS perspective, it's that you can't afford the tools.
mircea_popescu: the reason white man doesn't build the middle eastern tower may be whatever you wish it to be.
mircea_popescu: there's ONE thing the middle eastern guy has that white man can't replicate, and that is, a stable, and here i kid you not, a stable, of dozen+ pliable obedient females WITH offspring.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 17:31 asciilifeform: i like the idea of slowly building 'dirigible'
asciilifeform: i have 0 use for the latter.
asciilifeform: the former.
mircea_popescu: the question to you is, are you building a dirigible in the white man sense or in the sand nigger sense ?
mircea_popescu: for the anthropologist, god damned fascinating, they're like a family-sized snail building its conch.
mircea_popescu: the thing being, that you walk around the item and know the social rank of the inhabitants, and then look up and see the sluttery of the X chromosome baked in.
mircea_popescu: should any of the girls manage to get knocked up, the family is drafted to pour more concrete, make another "roof" ie floor, and fill brick in between
mircea_popescu: so, they do not have rooves, per se. just an unfinished floor, which has a foot or two of pillar reinforced concrete, with the rebar exposed.
asciilifeform: lemme guess, it is more of jet fighter to them
mircea_popescu: but to this dubious race of the east, a house is not a definite item. instead, it is a tower.
mircea_popescu: see, to you, or in general to white people of the tribe that invented houses, a house is a thing, a definite item.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with the house structure as a cultural item in the middle east ?
mircea_popescu: it's either "paiont and scrub this property" or else "go to school" / "look for a job" / ruin perfectly good food "cooking" and be bitchy about it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like it or not, the time of about 1/4 of us female population IS worth 0.
asciilifeform: i like the idea of slowly building 'dirigible'
asciilifeform: which is why i contemplated the bmore thing
asciilifeform: i suppose, the same folks who build ships in bottles
asciilifeform: (either that or you have to ~like~ shoveling shit)
phf: mircea_popescu: my calculations assume that you're not trying to move into up to standards place upfront. mircea_popescu: i'm thinking how much it takes to put it in a survival mode. fridge, stove and window AC, then you spend the next year working over the place on weekends. i had a few friends who did it that way, ended up with high resale value places when the area inevitably gentrified 10 years later
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but not the bmore house's.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform cheapo scheme above, cheaper to replace the ducts." denotes that in the "central air" image i linked, the ducts exist in the attic as free standing tin foil. they're connected to a grate in the roof of rooms.
asciilifeform: the real estate agent, an old woman, send me long list of similar properties i could look at.
mircea_popescu: paster is fiddy bux the ton, neh ?
asciilifeform: cheaper to dynamite the carcass and build new, than to replace plastered-in ducts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, depends. sometime "tear the whole shit down" is cheaper than fix. besides, if i'm going to pour concrete in my kitchen, i'd much rather pour the whole floor plane.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cheapo scheme above, cheaper to replace the ducts.
mircea_popescu: and this is with free female labour to paint walls and scrub surfaces clean, and with paint, solvent and detergent included in the figures for the items (which alsoinclude transport etc)
mircea_popescu: just proper fridge (1k at the very least) ; proper stove (about 500, fittings et all) ; dishwasher (another 500) touches your 2k. this includes no cabinets or other furniture, no retiling the walls, no holy shit expenses such as redoing the floor, fixing holes in walls or adding a section of roof etc.
asciilifeform: lel for a second i thought mircea_popescu dug up the photo of asciilifeform's attic posted last year !!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo even easier in autoclaved cellular concrete, w/e they call it in anglolands
mircea_popescu: in the old.
asciilifeform: where? in the new houses ?
mircea_popescu: then communism...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, jews from bukovina. first pass, the nazis. 2nd pass, the russians
phf: makes sense, though i suspect particular house was untouched, or touched up anyway. reminded me of some of the golden youth moscow apartments, thick beams of hardwood floor, tiny rooms with high ceilings, certain way the place smells
mircea_popescu: things... didn't go well for them.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 15:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495542 << ben_vulpes could literally buy entire street in bmore for what he is almost certainly paying in the white man's land
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495572 << which reminds me of this girl i knew back in romania, whose grandfather had bought her uncle an entire street as a 18yo present.
mircea_popescu: so they'd blow up a ceiling in the entryway to make the house "look" tall, and so on.
mircea_popescu: high end stuff such as oak (we didn't count oak parquet as anything. we did peach, and cherry, and nut tree for the up end) costs to put in 1/5 of what it gets priced in as.
phf: also i looked at the apartment in philadelphia that had wall window for the street side room, 14'' ceilings, hardwood floor everywhere. was built end of 19th century. and of course the rent goes exponential. instead of $1000 that was sop for the size, it was something like $2500
mircea_popescu: well, i imagine half their patrons are riggers.
asciilifeform: from mircea_popescu's felt top hat to the bmore brick house.
asciilifeform: as result of the march to ant-civilization.