mats: there were several charges involved
mircea_popescu: well, the-woman-that-won't-make-it walked from very similar to nixon's case, so...
asciilifeform: consider the act for which, supposedly, nixon was deposed. can you picture president impeached for tapping phones today ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506682 << ~the only use for the thing is to get it into the airvent of something.
asciilifeform: mats: the 'letter of the law' was interpreted as 'anally inspect every arse on planet' for decades now.
mats: don't remember if i mentioned this, but a friend of mine that works at cisco says their calea team is expanding the scope of their work beyond what's in the letter of the law
asciilifeform: iraq not a nation either
mircea_popescu: no good answer to it, either.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506653 << well, he didn't live in israel, i guess. anyway, mats has it, mortar is by far the cheapest.
mats: just one of 1,000 dummies i've met from the valley
asciilifeform: the choice of subject matter, in that case, was quite peculiar.
mats: i get the sense that he was really just out to make money, to sucker an engineer into slaving for him
asciilifeform: it was a very strange experience, like having a contract killer sent for you who worked his whole life in a slaughterhouse and literally expects you to behave EXACTLY like cow, to simply walk up to where he has the ~stationary~ stun hammer
asciilifeform: he was entertainingly stupid, but only from the (to me) novelty
asciilifeform: and buncha other dopes whose names escape me.
mats: we had some pms but they are so utterly unremarkable idk what was even said
asciilifeform: if i were his handler, and read, as i would read, the log, i would have sacked him.
mats: haven't seen the nick in a few years, i tried my hand at bringing folks into the fold, didn't work out
mats: oh, i apologize for bringing him in here then
asciilifeform: ^ the_scourge tried to get ~me~ interested in 'military resistance to usg'
a111: Logged on 2015-12-08 15:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2015#1338844 << every word of this is applicable in its entirety to modern stoolies and provocateurs, e.g., 'the_scourge' from last year
a111: Logged on 2014-04-13 22:27 asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.
asciilifeform: the key here is that these folk dun occur naturally in the necessary numbers. hence, they are created.
asciilifeform: if he had been found in afghan, would have been shot on the cheap, but instead was used as feedstock for the quite important 'we caught a domestic вредитель !1111' ritual.
mats: yes, they found him with 747 manuals
asciilifeform: or do i have him mixed with another
mats: not sure exactly how it gets decided, but flip side, Zacarias Moussaoui is serving his sentence in florence rather than gitmo
asciilifeform: (though i have fundamentally nfi who is ACTUALLY kept there, for all i know it is folks who used pgp key that had too many bitz)
asciilifeform: last i heard gitmo was a warehouse for inconvenient pow, rather than domestic whatevers.
mats: theres a lot more convicted artistes in us than cuba
asciilifeform: they have no agency
asciilifeform: imbeciles who cannot spell own name, or describe what kind of ray they will supposedly shoot from the raygun that nice totally-not-fbi-provocateur sold them in back alley, are not agents.
asciilifeform: he, and a few hundred similar great artistes, are in the clinks.
asciilifeform: see the part with 'played on tv'
mats: there are many domestic terrorists living out a sentence in a fed clink
asciilifeform: folks raised without a warm place to shit, much less trust fund, with ~correct picture of self-worth and ready to meet with allah at age 17, are a natural resource like any other. and it simply does not grow in north america.
asciilifeform: fact is, there ARE NO phreeedom phighterz in usaschwitz. which is why they conscript the occasional illiterate orc immigrant to play 't3rr0r111st!111' on tv.
asciilifeform: everything to do with transfixed slack-jawed sheeple aaahing over the 'majesty'
asciilifeform: which is why they kick folks out of restaurants when dick cheney or his latest incarnation drives by, etc.
asciilifeform: the actual function of the black limos, ss jeeps, etc. is roughly same as roman lictors:
asciilifeform: if the monkey dies, what will happen ? he will be replaced with identical monkey.
mats: if it was easy, folks would go there instead of massacring cinemagoers
asciilifeform: or, more presely, cow in the farm.
asciilifeform: folks with actual resources do not go around hunting'em for the same reason the typical hunter does not go to shoot the lion in the zoo.
asciilifeform: usg brass are quite well defended against the expected adversary: plebes with pea shooters, bricks, etc.
mats: well i'm much enjoying going through the mental exercise of attacking a convoy
asciilifeform: the one commonly seen, does not.
asciilifeform: not even necessary to explode, there are other uses, to the opponent, for knowing exactly where the convoy is
mats: they're usually located on top of the vehicle, so thats better than e.g. manhole cover but not by a lot
asciilifeform: iirc the recent custom is to have one in ~every truck.
mats: you gonna bomb their transmitter?
asciilifeform: in the contemplated picture, you need precisely 1 casualty.
asciilifeform: or it simply finds you based on the jammer output.
asciilifeform: mats: this is sorta the appeal of munitions that don't travel in straight lines or simple parabola or whatever other geometric figure
asciilifeform: there are even street signs, with crossed-out toy chopper.
asciilifeform: there is an ongoing lawsuit re the legality of said ban (it was administrative, rather than act of congress), if diametric is awake he might clarify
asciilifeform: i will note that usg ~is~ sufficiently frightened of toy flying machines, that they were entirely banned in washington d.c.
mats: i don't remember the name of the system, but i think there is integration between 'paladin' arty and 'boomerang'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 19:12 asciilifeform: at any rate, don't expect usg to surrender in their war against general-purpose radio.
asciilifeform: incidentally http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506685 is another reason behind http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506052
asciilifeform: incidentally you can detect a convoy of usg brass from miles away by the loud jammers.
asciilifeform: vendor's www: 'Boomerang pinpoints the shooter’s location of incoming small arms fire. Boomerang uses passive acoustic detection and computer-based signal processing to locate a shooter in less than a second.'
asciilifeform: they have'em permanently mounted on light poles.
mats: and orcs pop off rounds for virtually any reason anyway, so why bother
asciilifeform: the irish had an interesting mortar, made wholly from old compressed gas bottles
mats: use the ol' taliban trick. emplace mortar tube, rig with dry ice mechanism that fires when it dissipates enough so you're not around to get hosed by arty fire guided by a 'Boomerang' fire locator
asciilifeform: if anyone genuinely cared, these would be a regular thing already.
asciilifeform: han those used by model aircraft enthusiasts. The plane climbs to about 200 metres and immediately begins to descend in the direction of the White House. A minute later a mighty explosion shakes the capital of the United States. The screaming of sirens on police cars, fire engines and ambulances fills the city.'
asciilifeform: 'On 12 August, at 0558 local time, a van comes to a halt on the vast empty parking lot in front of a supermarket in Washington. Three men open the doors of the van, roll out the fuselage of a light aircraft and attach its wings. A minute later its motor bursts into life. The plane takes off and disappears into the sky. It has no pilot. It is controlled by radio with the aid of very simple instruments, only slightly more complicated t
pete_dushenski: speaking of other shit that sounds more practical than it is, http://www.gizmag.com/golf-cart-jetpack/44413/
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 00:19 asciilifeform: (if one were to blow up today, the circle in which police would know to look for the operator, is not large.)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: get thee to a toy store
asciilifeform: has pete_dushenski flown even a toy quadcopter? any idea of the kind of 'ping time' you need to actually keep the thing upright ?
mats: and the thing costs ~1k
asciilifeform: (if one were to blow up today, the circle in which police would know to look for the operator, is not large.)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it makes for an exceedingly painful time doing anything for which there is not a ready button.
mircea_popescu: anyway, garden hose not even a bad idea for the intended junkyard flatbottom. exactly for reason of "people throw out a mile of punctured once garden hose"
asciilifeform: the bollard is ~quintessentially~ american, in my mind, the way the onion dome is ~quintessentially~ russian in typical anglo head.
asciilifeform: in whatever way their piddling orc tech permits.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:14 pete_dushenski: next thing you know an autonomous car will drive a trunkfull of c4 into the white house
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506517 << usg has been maniacally afraid of this kind of thing for decades, to the point that not only wh, but semi-abandoned army reserve shithole not far from where i live, is surrounded by 'bollard' barriers, spikes, etc.
asciilifeform: i tried to use it once, it reminded me of those keyboards they widely sold to 'INTERNET!1111' lusers of the '90s, with 'pizza' and 'beer order' buttons
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:31 pete_dushenski: another q for tmsr : any recommendations for linux-cpanel webhosts that don't roll over to social engineering attempts ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506536 << pray tell pete_dushenski , for what do you need the cpanel abortion ?
asciilifeform: (at present time they have no such assurance)
asciilifeform: but i for one have 0 interest in preserving the 'internet is a cheaper way to broadcast bbc' thing.
asciilifeform: so there is ~0 financial pressure in that direction.
asciilifeform: in the case of 'sheeple' tuning in to bbc/fox noose/etc. -- doubtlessly MORE expensive.
asciilifeform: rather than naturally occuring.
asciilifeform: and that the star topology of telecom - is enforced.
asciilifeform: merely pointing out that the centralized chokepoints are not physically necessary.
mircea_popescu: sure, and your neighbour sends them to china. aaanyway.
mircea_popescu: on average distance is, iirc, to the tune of 1k miles.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:31 mircea_popescu: for all the effort so far wasted into creating said antennae in bitcoin ; it'd be lulzy if they just lose the extant ones in telecom
asciilifeform: (in fact retlw is the ~only~ way to refer to data in rom on that machine)
asciilifeform: there are machines where ret (or similar) takes an operand, and you can make a jump table that way
mircea_popescu: figuring out which was the case was not something i wanted to get involved in.
asciilifeform: but a fudge of the inept
asciilifeform: lel that does not sound like a trick of the competent
mircea_popescu recalls reading a twenty five line of ret once, throwing hands up, leaving the matter to others.
asciilifeform: (which is not 'scientific' in the usual sense but plenty of tight physics code)
mircea_popescu: ten-ish years in the thing's about 1/3 push pop ret
mircea_popescu: at this point, project either delivers and is done or takes on life of own. if takes on life, then 3. more wizards are added, they slowly asm-ify the loops, inside out.
mircea_popescu: ations etc" c is the right tool. strangely, the matter is always considered properly and in context, yet the result always the same.
mircea_popescu: but the coupla projects of scientific computing i observed, the phases were readily distinguishable : 1. people are excited, they loudly choose "best" hot new stuff, pass along napkin sketches ; 2. the super-duper shit runs into more wrinkles than it's worth, kids are all depresed. at this point the project either dies or management intervenes, gets wizard, wizard takes a weeklong look at it, decides "on the basis of consider
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506249 << 20 year only takes us to 96, which isn't really that far behind. i'd wager about 50% of c code currently doing anything useful was written in the 90s.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506210 << i have no idea why "scientific computing" on the c machine would use anything but c slowly mutating into asm, but then again that's me.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506550 << slow scripting langs are used for non-speedcritical portions for the same reason the ~entire program~ is not in asm.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the best land ark is probably going to be one of the many urban brick former Roman Catholic churches on the real estate market. Amenable to fortification.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506249 << 20 year only takes us to 96, which isn't really that far behind. i'd wager about 50% of c code currently doing anything useful was written in the 90s.
BingoBoingo: 40 PSI to the showerhead or bust!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 20:44 phf: you look at ipython code now, read tutorials and you think to yourself "oh this makes sense, it is nice", but over the course of 5 years scientific computing with python went through 3 or 4 different suits. that's an unreasonable amount of cognitive overhead, considering that mathematica now supports all the same primitives that mathemaica in '95 did
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506210 << i have no idea why "scientific computing" on the c machine would use anything but c slowly mutating into asm, but then again that's me.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 20:09 Framedragger: wonder what tmsr thinks of ipython notebooks. basically you go to website and are presented with python interpreter, and a ready-made list of commands for graphing, doing stats etc. thinking of doing one of these for some initial ssh keyset analysis. nothing too serious at all
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506127 << lol. he sounds like the man to build an ark tho.
gribble: vc was last seen in #trilema 5 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 45 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <vc> Framedragger: I'm cool with port scans, neither me nor my parent host cares
mircea_popescu: for all the effort so far wasted into creating said antennae in bitcoin ; it'd be lulzy if they just lose the extant ones in telecom
pete_dushenski: another q for tmsr : any recommendations for linux-cpanel webhosts that don't roll over to social engineering attempts ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506053 << the latest point being the important point.
BingoBoingo wonders what Dr. Foreskin is up to these days
mats: it deals with the v early period where Henry Morgan was busily sacking cities
mats: i put a bookmark in the last one and forgot to pick it up again, i'm now reminded to do so
mircea_popescu: diana_coman most likely plaesi, other side of mountain from piatra neamt.
mats: anyway, other stuff includes 'Under the Black Flag' by Cordingly, Johnson's 'A General History of the Pyrates', and 'Empire of Blue Water' by Talty
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/sobieski-si-romanii/#selection-693.0-709.26 << fyi italics start here and aren't closed so they continue throughout the remainder of the footnotes.
mats: oh wait, these are fictional huh
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:24 phf: asciilifeform: it's a totally speculative exploration of north african pirate city states during the age of exploration http://hermetic.com/bey/pirate-utopias/ it might appeal to your romantic nature
mats: i v much enjoy reading about the 'golden age of piracy'
pete_dushenski: next thing you know an autonomous car will drive a trunkfull of c4 into the white house
pete_dushenski: "I typically pay $5 to $10 to charge up. Every single station has been, for years, mediocre to terrible. The stations are often broken due to software or hardware problems, and remain out of service for weeks. Competition among electric car drivers for these public charging stations is fierce and intensifying. It’s practically impossible for me to find an open charging station during the day."
diana_coman: truth be told I did not realise it but it might be better to add to the notes probably, to make this clear
diana_coman: I read it that that was precisely the point, lol
mircea_popescu: diana_coman lol what a mess. a) wasn't built by teutons ; b) cantemir the elder was king, not stephen omfg.
asciilifeform: lel and i bet when you stabbed her angry husband, the blade also fit perfectly in the hole it made
asciilifeform: the 20th c. stability thing, with its attendant luxuries, e.g., industrial standards, is likely a historic fluke.
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : this is an interesting question, with a depressing answer - common lisp standard is nearing, arguably, it's 'lincoln war' moment, because the necessary general-purpose computer is growing thin on the ground.
mircea_popescu: imagine the sort of crack shot she is with a rifle.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:55 asciilifeform: mats: and the pigfuckers certainly don't want you and i turning the wifi chip into mesh network etc.
diana_coman: heh, quite interesting the 2 decades thing in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506234
asciilifeform: well then the only 'thing' is empty space. everything else (even proton may decay...) dun last.
mircea_popescu: things that dun last WEREN'T THINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE!
mircea_popescu: let's restate. "i would be very comfortable in a chair that was built just like this collapsing assemblage between seconds 1.3 and 1.45 of the fall".
mircea_popescu: you do not see the problem with this ?
asciilifeform: thermodynamics always applies. eventually.
mircea_popescu: looky : every time you find this imaginary space where thermodynamics doesn't apply, it's not that you've found a space where thermodynamics doesn't apply as much as you've deluded yourself in some manner to ignore some obvious wrinkle.
asciilifeform: (which was no good for cotton or tobacco, and ergo uninteresting to the powerz)
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how many white women lived their days as the junior slave in indian fambly, after their husband was dispatched ?
mircea_popescu: you think every white man going there became the master of the what, indians ? negroes ?
asciilifeform: poor whites lived ~wholly unmolested and untaxed by the rulers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not every tank contains pirannhas. consider the old american south
mircea_popescu: mass has ~nothing to do with it though. YOU are the target, personally. for as long as you're the sort that wants to be a king without a crown, there's going to be a preditor chasing you around.
mircea_popescu: if the sheep found a way to graze on rafts, the wolves would ride around in speedboats.
asciilifeform: i can see, possibly, that if mass of office plankton were somehow place in boats, yes, there would be harvesting thereof.
mircea_popescu: they misperceived the sea, much like you do, much like people who don't sail generally, as a "empty" space.
asciilifeform: i did wonder, as a boy, reading about such, what did these folks have instead of brains, that their answer to 'pirates sink 20%' was 'put Moar Silver on MEGA-BOAT'
mircea_popescu: (obviously, king mircarlos the 5th would have simply ordered one man rowboats be made and sent every man in one to go to fucking galapagos and return. but then again...)
asciilifeform: sorta why the largest, juiciest, wrecks to salvage even today...
mircea_popescu: this is always what the idiot does in this situation.
mircea_popescu: symptomatically, the spanish solution was "make larger ship"
mircea_popescu: but for the spanish, atlantic was "fly over zone", and as you say, they'd have loved to "separate it".
mircea_popescu: spanish did not. portuguese did, and they built an empire out of it.
mircea_popescu: "british" doesn't exist here. albion was a failed state bought wholesale by the dutch who then used it as naval stage base.
asciilifeform: british, spanish, etc. 'thought about the sea' plenty
mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental mechanism of putting the inept but uppity in place.
mircea_popescu: the other way to put it is that piracy is what happens when people who don't want to think about the sea decide to think themselves cooler than their neighbours who do like to think about the sea.
pete_dushenski: speaking of somali pirates, the recent 'captain philips' film with tom hanks was the most pallid agitprop in that direction
mircea_popescu: to take the matter home, you could say nelson was a pirate rather than a lord ; or better yet that kelvin was a scientist rather than a lord. but these people principally did the thing in question ; whereas the african states principally did subsistence farming and small manufacture.
asciilifeform: even modern-day somali pirates have a story about how they are merely collecting back-rent for usurped fishing rights.
mircea_popescu: the original - perhaps. the one im discussing here, very much a normal pasha. who happened to have a port in his lands.
asciilifeform: but yes barbarossa was the ottoman naval penis
mircea_popescu: that is one point ; the point im making however is that they weren't pirates in the sense you're not a penis. part of what they did, of fucking course, given the geography. but they were otherwise just as much a normal country as say albania.
pete_dushenski: aha. barbs supplanted venetians (and i spanish) on the mediterranean... that's right.
mircea_popescu: anyway, point being they were "pirates" in the sense erdogan is "embattled". a matter of the foreign press and no more.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this fellow is original'\s younger brother nd no, they were ottomans.
asciilifeform: not the least bit venetian iirc
pete_dushenski: barbarossa was ottoman's go-to guy on the seas ya ?
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a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:24 phf: asciilifeform: it's a totally speculative exploration of north african pirate city states during the age of exploration http://hermetic.com/bey/pirate-utopias/ it might appeal to your romantic nature
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505996 << for the record, these "pirate states" are much more proper states than hm, how shall we put this. anyone know the story of the barbarossa turkish fambly ?
asciilifeform: i dun know of anybody camping out in orbit to save on rent either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have never heard of anyone practicing that solution nor would i think too much of their head tbh.
mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna rehash the logic behind http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/ but the discussion of the merits of that project should prolly be read by any would-be sovereigns of this particular bent.
asciilifeform: sorta like the answer to mice, rats, roaches, is to live where there is winter and turn off the heat on occasion.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505981 << but this thing where "build in environment with large cost" is not a solution, because the enemy incurs the cost only when visiting whereas you incur the cost permanently. so this is, strategically, a nonstarter, whether the medium is mars or ocean or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:11 asciilifeform: the problem i was futilely stabbing away at is 'how to be independent of homo homini lupus est'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505978 << well, technically the solution to your problem is "become a lich", and will be offered in eulora.
mircea_popescu: the sea ain't what it usead to be.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 18:08 phf: i'd live on a sub, if it had those 1970s stage set rooms with giant windows through which you can observe underwater marine life, but which you can also close if you're being attacked by the establishment
asciilifeform: well in the sub variant.
mircea_popescu: (yes, i'm pretty much convinced that IF you actually wanted to do what is here contemplated, a wooden structure is the best choice.)
mircea_popescu: if your idea of winter is "no ice floating", then most ships will survive such.
asciilifeform: this entails some insulation in the hull (orlov retrofitted ordinary boat with this, there are pics on his www) and a heat source.
asciilifeform: well perhaps not arctic, but in the general case survive in 'die of hypothermia in half hour' water which fills a good chunk of the planet for much of the year
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 17:54 asciilifeform: trinque: you will find that the machines are not designed for permanent life aboard, or to survive winters.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505943 << it's likely fully automated sub could be had ; possibly for the cost of a decade or two of his life.
mircea_popescu: i imagined they must be spraying, but then again i never saw either flight or land crew doing in.
mircea_popescu: but even there...
mircea_popescu: well yes, the subway.
mircea_popescu: but here somehow they exist and are rare.
asciilifeform: reminiscent of various yarns where 'cannot eat the alien food because wrong protein chirality'
mircea_popescu: it is the strangest thing, i used to think mosquito is the sort of beast that either doesn't exist or else is abundant
asciilifeform misses one season - spring - which is about two weeks long here. defined as the season where one can go outdoors without either frost or mosquitoes
Joshua-I: I'm definitely projecting then :)
Joshua-I: Just wondering if you still yearn at all for the winter
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a bad place. of course, these days... Joshua-I sorry wut ?
asciilifeform: many positive things re the turks in mircea_popescu's works.
mircea_popescu: why the turks specifically ?
asciilifeform: i've wondered on occasion why mircea_popescu did not settle among the turks.
mircea_popescu: every time i leave someplace there's a bunch of girly tears left behind, you know ?
mircea_popescu: it never rains in egypt. that was nice. not in suitcase. it never gets hot in northern transylvania. also. i dun have either bosphorus or golden horn. the list is long
asciilifeform: what, other than proper euro winter, did mircea_popescu not fit in his suitcase ?
mircea_popescu: then it lasts approx march-jul
mircea_popescu: well, if you count it going to like 5 celsius ONE NIGHT and otherwise being a very balmy lower tens thing winter,
asciilifeform: because the socket was ~not~ actually done away with.
asciilifeform: afaik it was only ever 'the' standard for lights.
jurov: it was *the* standard at some time
asciilifeform: i have edison screw light bulbs all over the house ?
asciilifeform: if i go to a shop and buy a vacuum cleaner and the mains plug fits in NO socket, i will never buy from said vendor again.
asciilifeform: and it is not sufficient to ~have~ the money, you must also ~withhold~ it from the non-compliant vendors.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that standards-compliance costs money.
asciilifeform: iirc there were versions of allegro which ignored case sensitivity toggle.
jurov: so i'm rather sceptical about whole affair
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/oGZR6 << in other lulz. 'Marines Will Soon Need to Know How to Shoot a Moving Target, Because That Wasn't a Thing Before.'