mircea_popescu: we don't give a shit if they do or don't.
mircea_popescu: why for me! so we keep having these "how do build dirigible" threads weekly, while we patently ignore what the fellow who built the trope name has to say about the process ?
mircea_popescu: someone plox write the fellows a nice email, explain what happened and ask them to send a copy of the item that generated keys ?
asciilifeform: incidentally this is the first, iirc, long factor sshkey collision to pop.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell trinque what happened here ? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508550 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508553 ? this is not the first time, either. i checked my rss feed, it does not shit out dupes.
asciilifeform: e.g., what privileges does the radio have, to put in software parlance
mircea_popescu: i thought the idea was someone will hack into your thing via radio.
asciilifeform: for the purpose of ~how is it connected??~
mircea_popescu: yes. but for the purpose of owning it no ?
asciilifeform: it is not difficult to infer how it is NOT connected, because you can pick up the device and measure top bandwidth quite easily with bare hands
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thread was about how the radio is connected to cpu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think the iphone yet exists that has 1mb worth of data anyone'd care to exfiltrate ?!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-22 06:52 mats: spi would be the ticket
a111: Logged on 2016-07-22 12:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508541 << the dma thing is mostly a sufferance of the desktop designs yea
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508541 << the dma thing is mostly a sufferance of the desktop designs yea
mircea_popescu: apparently they take what you say as an inverses signal.
thestringpuller: Coworker is like "Are these cheap like when bitcoin was cheap? How much are these ether tokens?" Me: "I just said not to huff the ether!!!!!"
thestringpuller: I told someone this mornign as they walked in "Do not huff any ether no matter how compelling"
thestringpuller: Oh God. I can't stop the huffing.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-22 00:56 asciilifeform: i wish to move to the planet where ~that~ : https://i.sli.mg/ikoT6o.jpg is how one is introduced to 'the computer'
mircea_popescu: guess what - whenever the problem of expression seems to be resolvable by chucking the alphabet, the problem's not of expression.
mircea_popescu: fcking basic literacy vs all the ustardians hellbent on being so fucking emospecial they need "symbols" and other illiterate obscura to "express themselves".
mircea_popescu: yes they show a marked preference to drooling in front of flickering monitor than empty book. but this is like saying cats prefer the christian science monitor over the new yorker. to what, to piss on ?
mircea_popescu: there's this misperception that "people wouldn't read, they prefer to watch video". it's a misperception for many reasons, but obvious here : those people AREN'T WATCHING VIDEO, EITHER.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 23:14 ben_vulpes: which features a character mircea_popescu may find amusing, the slut with an entire rural town wrapped around her finger
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508513 << the very wooden acting kinda ruins it for me. why can't these people just you know, write their story ? gotta do it for camera, but that's hard and they have no camera faces nor acting talent.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 23:13 phf: http://motherboard-images.vice.com/authors/no-id/1459351347926622.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508508 << how about it phf, see the merit of having a111 archive.is every link it sees, downloading the zip and then presenting a [cached] [saved] pair of links after the line ?
mircea_popescu: it all depends if there exists a superior power (france, england, etc) for them to copy or not.
mircea_popescu: of course, it cuts both ways. some people like the indigent simplicity (see, eg, babbage).
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 23:11 phf: instead of investigating this mysterious zip, i spent time reading jordan pearson's twitter. he's special, he's like the worst parody of a 2016 American Nerd
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508507 << the problem with americans, by which we denote obscure people from the colonies with no history or identity of their own, is that if something becomes desirable they'll just copy it. "as best they can", "with locally sourced items". hence the mormon shredding of the hebrew texts and jordan pearson.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: [Qntra] Coinbase Embraces Ether As Venture Continues Running On Fumes - http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinbase-embraces-ether-as-venture-continues-running-on-fumes/
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: up, edited, ty
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
mats: spi would be the ticket
mats: and based on wut an acquaintance is saying (my knowledge of hw is shallow), it'd be impractical to route the bus to the radio
mats: based on some teardowns it appears the ram is in package with main cpu
BingoBoingo: Phun Phact: The "Tree" that grew in Brooklyn was a monster https://www.nps.gov/plants/alien/fact/aial1.htm
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> then he can be 'whole' << This actually is a thing. There is 0 lower bound to idiocy.
mats: acog was great for observation the few times I used it -- better for officers
asciilifeform: and where 'the computer' is what we see in this www.
asciilifeform: i wish to move to the planet where ~that~ : https://i.sli.mg/ikoT6o.jpg is how one is introduced to 'the computer'
phf: first time i see sli.mg in the wild, oddly enough on a pdp-11 ebay listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-PDP-11-20-with-KT11-B-Paging-Option-/201624309371
phf: asciilifeform: thanks for the flibusta link
ben_vulpes: which features a character mircea_popescu may find amusing, the slut with an entire rural town wrapped around her finger
phf: instead of investigating this mysterious zip, i spent time reading jordan pearson's twitter. he's special, he's like the worst parody of a 2016 American Nerd
mircea_popescu: ftr, i get different hashes for the dlded zip file, but identical contents for the extracted index.html (ie, diff reports no diff.)
mircea_popescu: anyway - from what i see old cli zip does take the (correct sized, 32kb) file and spit it out as a single file of binary crap, instead of as a directory of 3 files of which one a html and two jpgs
mircea_popescu: well, fortunate that this oddity should pick the reverser among us to bless.
asciilifeform: if you unzip ANY of them, you get IDENTICAL file minus zip header.
asciilifeform: i am speaking of the raw download
mircea_popescu: no idea ; i always get the same size.
mircea_popescu: basically looks like some versions of zip fuck up the directory structure, extract it as a flat file.
asciilifeform: what was the input for this ?
mircea_popescu: that';s what manglemess zip makes of the dld.
asciilifeform: but, i suspect, is payload for some overflowed buffer in winzip or the like.
asciilifeform: and has NOTHING in common with the jpegs or html in mircea_popescu's 32k zip
asciilifeform: the 3 128k shots - contain ??? ~with a valid zip header~
asciilifeform: and has the expected contents
asciilifeform: the string 'jpg', for instance, occurs in none of my 3.
asciilifeform: but neither it, nor the contents, appear to have any relation whatsoever to any of my 3.
mircea_popescu: i get different hashes every time also ; but they're all legit zip archives.
asciilifeform: wholly different contents every time, OTHER than zip headers.
mircea_popescu: well ima paste the b64 sec
phf: fwiw i'm getting a different shasum 512 from either of you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the zip you download, is it 32748 long ? if shorter, maybe incomplete transfer ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the zip ?
mats: the suspense builds
mircea_popescu: does the hash match ?
asciilifeform: with a <html></html> and then 128k of ???.
mircea_popescu: the... page
asciilifeform: the zip
mircea_popescu: i suppose one thing we could do is change how a111 works so that on every outbout link posted here it a) makes an archive.is copy of thje page ; b) downloads the corresponding zip
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 21:58 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not only this, but, the fella who runs archive.is is... not in my wot
mircea_popescu: there pointedly isn't some "god of the rolls" that this is to be offloaded to. if you can't be arsed to save the .zip files after someone did all the fucking hard work you don't even know how to do nor can motivate self to even attempt in the first place, there's exactly no value you have to save.
mircea_popescu: there is no way out of this. inept, infantile bitching about how "php is too hard for me" and "archive.is might not survive" etc is just so much wasted breath.
asciilifeform: the greeks were 'dead' for a while i recall.
asciilifeform: recall how dejanews, and then google-groups, went to /dev/null ?
mircea_popescu: we don't have a survival plan for www in the first place!
asciilifeform: but - leverage. i fucking hate solving problems in a way that still leaves me to put out fire when the thing inevitably catches fire.
mircea_popescu: and IF it goes away, and that happens BEFORE www goes away, which is the fucking plan in the first place ; THEN maybe we worry about this, neh ?
mircea_popescu: when it "goes away" you will still have all the copies you made.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: is there an existing widget that emulates a 'typical' wwwtron and allows dump of the rendered material ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: many of the more egregious turds, have runtime-genned-by-js crapolade
asciilifeform: recall the wget -m thread ?
mircea_popescu: jus' saying, i take such a dim view of branding i'm not even willing to consider projects ; merely the people doing them.
ben_vulpes: it's that thing the nsa jacks into
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what's a "motherboard" you know ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with shit in trilema is that people go "lalala nobody cares" and then five years later they're begging for a reprise. kinda too lazy to go digging for the various comments of smartasses of the sort.
asciilifeform: (iirc he was somebody mircea_popescu knew from somewhere, but - nevertheless heathen.)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not only this, but, the fella who runs archive.is is... not in my wot
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not to motherboard though?
asciilifeform: i suspect that m5 bolts will fly forth from my arse before they show up here, regardless.
mircea_popescu: though honestly, the whole "vice empire" is very much the same sort of redundant object.
mircea_popescu: motherboard nigglet.
mircea_popescu: ftr, i'm going to negrate anyone giving interviews to this "jordan pearson" shithead.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly same place it gets them now. folks more than ready to believe, wish to believe, that "poloniex" exists, is trading etc,
asciilifeform: were it not for these folks, where would usg even get any bitcoin to dump.
asciilifeform: phf: when somebody fattens himself and then, through sheer african idiocy, feeds the beast his own flesh, he is guilty of feeding the beast.
mircea_popescu: i dun personally give much of a shit, for exactly the "Wasn't in wot, isn't a person, can't be buried" reason.
phf: asciilifeform was hating even before knew the details, so perhaps it's useless to look for reasons
asciilifeform: i can see this pov, i might not want crocodiles around, but there are still folks who can end up in a crock and i will not shed tear for them, even as we shoot the crock
mircea_popescu: if hitler built schools in ukraina, they were still fascist schools ; torn down.
asciilifeform: just as he, earlier, devoured others
asciilifeform: filleting the idiot
mircea_popescu: it is a crime to allow stupid people keep their money.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 21:24 asciilifeform: ftr i have 0 sympathy for folks who ~sell~ warez. i dun care if they are eaten by usg, or by crocodiles, or martians.
asciilifeform: or what was it, they asked mircea_popescu, 'where do you WURK'
asciilifeform: then he can be 'whole'
asciilifeform: tries to convince everyone to remove theirs also ?
mircea_popescu: opine about the competent. in faux superior tones.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 21:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508246 << lulzy: 'The deadlock between competing corners of the Bitcoin community when it comes to hard forking, in contrast, spells doom for the currency, according to Tual. “As long as that’s true, Bitcoin will never evolve, and it will die, because what doesn't evolve dies.”' << 'we've failed to stick in the proboscis and so let's declare it dead, neverhappened'
asciilifeform: holy fuck, the 'law-abiding' schmuckdom on display
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 20:55 phf: in other bunnie news http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4782 "Why I’m Suing the US Government"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508255 << gold: 'Our recent generation of Makers, hackers, and entrepreneurs have developed under the shadow of Section 1201... Our children deserve better. I can no longer stand by as a passive witness to this situation. I was born into a 1201-free world, and our future generations deserve that same freedom of thought and expression. I am but one instrument in a large orchestra performing the symph
asciilifeform: i meant, what is the pictured item ?
asciilifeform: and srsly, 13333337 'undergrounding' from poland, the mecca of nato-fellating shitholes ?
asciilifeform: it isn't that i particularly loathe this particular schmuck, but his fate is not astonishing, any more than the fate of a gay dude who 'barebacks' every night with randos at the 'bath-house', dies of aids
asciilifeform: for good reason: it promotes exactly the kind of centralization that warez addresses the evil of.
phf: kat was an honest successor to thepiratebay
asciilifeform: why did he have money then ?
asciilifeform: ftr i have 0 sympathy for folks who ~sell~ warez. i dun care if they are eaten by usg, or by crocodiles, or martians.
asciilifeform: run moar warez-as-get-rich ops, keep moar fiatola bank accounts filled thereby
asciilifeform: 'Finally, and crucially, the investigators issued a warrant directed at the Canadian webhost of KickassTorrents. This was one of the biggest scores as it provided them with full copies of KAT’s hard drives, including the email server. “I observed […] that they were all running the same Linux Gentoo operating system, and that they contained files with user information, SSH access logs, and other information, ' << use moar nato h
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 20:43 shinohai: http://archive.is/IRvva "Why Ethereum Succeeded and Bitcoin failed"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508246 << lulzy: 'The deadlock between competing corners of the Bitcoin community when it comes to hard forking, in contrast, spells doom for the currency, according to Tual. “As long as that’s true, Bitcoin will never evolve, and it will die, because what doesn't evolve dies.”' << 'we've failed to stick in the proboscis and so let's declare it dead, neverhappened'
phf: there's now canonical clip to play at the yet another demise of an excellent pirate site, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY258ILfYmE
ben_vulpes: part and parcel of financial license in the states.
ben_vulpes: "please to the pretty please to do what i want instead of what your masters demand? puweaze?"
ben_vulpes: you're not suing the government, moron, you're suing usg.disney
phf: in other bunnie news http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4782 "Why I’m Suing the US Government"
mircea_popescu: "This is how I know that anyone who says, "If only I could live in Mad Men time where you could pinch a girl's ass and not get in trouble for it" is going to be way disappointed if a TARDIS shows up, because they wouldn't pinch them back then, either, not because they are afraid of trouble but because they are afraid of girls. Exhibit A: you know what a TARDIS is." << guy rocks lol
mircea_popescu: they can't of their own power say "we learned this was a stupid idea and will not be pursuing it any further." it's there, they must keep pouring money in the sand.
mircea_popescu: phf um, iirc i only kept one, the one with the minimum income thing. you want that ?
phf: maybe if dpr came through with the church papers
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 20:20 phf: would be nice if there was anything good about that sale
phf: would be nice if there was anything good about that sale
jurov: they auction it in bitcoins???
mircea_popescu: this is an unavoidable next stop on the rail that begins with "not worth repairing"
asciilifeform: the defective transistors no longer 'packaged separately for your convenience esteemed sir'
asciilifeform: so i suspect they are already following mircea_popescu's tip.
asciilifeform: judging by what i get in the crates here.
asciilifeform: i bet the chinese dun test no moar.
mircea_popescu: if your chip process doesn't yield three nines you get the choice of jumping 10k feet in the air or being shit.
mircea_popescu: you've seen the calculation of actual constraints above.
mircea_popescu: they woudn't dare.
asciilifeform: sometimes there are actual constraints...
asciilifeform: it is 1920s and armies are interested in aviation! except for mircea_popescu's army. he instead ordered all conscripts who can't jump 10,000 metres in the air and stay up by flapping their wings, shot !
mircea_popescu is smoking the "fuck you, you have no rights, engineer is not a person" blend, of the same exact make as seen in debate over "oh but proper V hurts mah self-importance of codrwriter"
asciilifeform: at any rate, until this, whether or not chip maker listens to mircea_popescu and omits test circuit or not, the buyer CANNOT verify
asciilifeform: (can even use ~analogue~ optical comparator! ever seen one? they used to exist in machine shops.)
asciilifeform: this is one of the reasons i wrote 'must have fpga, with quartz window'. you can inspect a ~regular~ geometric structure far more easily than any other kind
mircea_popescu: this isn't the fucking 70s to have single-nine chip process.
asciilifeform: until then, we are in a state of sin regardless of how.
mircea_popescu: if you have 100 components, you end up having to throw out so many motherboards of this fascinating imaginary type taking 100 chips that you increase price by 10%
asciilifeform: thing is, computer rides on 'promise', not protocol, because there is no way of inspecting the dies.
asciilifeform: until silicon can be made piecewise, like a printer page, rather than photographically by the million copies, we are stuck with it. (and antifuse costs 0 and eliminates problem, so i have nfi what mircea_popescu is smoking)
mircea_popescu: the folks who don't will hang.
mircea_popescu: prototyping dongles don't belong in production item. full fucking stop and enough of the "oh but mah convenience" talk.
asciilifeform: it is nonsense, what can i say. and the folks who build machine this way, will come to grief.
mircea_popescu: if that's when you listen, the fact that you listen or don't listen no longer matters.
mircea_popescu: wouldja stop clinking to the supid idea ? antifuse my arse.
asciilifeform: but there is such a thing as antifuse.
asciilifeform: fact is, you dun test ~everything~ that can be tested before it costs you perfectly working and costly rest-of-the-box, you go broke.
ben_vulpes: moreover there is quality binning to be done.
asciilifeform: if you dun test the chipz before soldering'em down, you go broke.
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as replacement policy.
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as % yield.
mircea_popescu: test the design ; produce units.
asciilifeform: problem is that , as with nearly every aspect of vlsi, the described function is ~promise~ not protocol.
mircea_popescu: or just take the whole thing out for production.
asciilifeform: it would not be so hard to implement, just put antifuse link in the relevant circuit
mircea_popescu: basically, the "remove symbols table" tech hasn't reached hardware.
asciilifeform: incidentally, ~every piece of silicon on the board has a debug port of some form, the cpu jtag thing is simply the handiest one, and the closest to being in some form documented.
asciilifeform: (and in what there is not, can be replaced in the post for a physically-indistinguishable version that does)
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking distant from the "magical computing owning rays" the meta-nsa afficionados keep pretending.
asciilifeform: at any rate, and as i wrote long ago, imho soldered-in 'bugs' are quite obsolete - there is built-in hole in ~everything made for eons now.
asciilifeform: (and its existence was, apparently, quite surprising to the monkeys, who never once gave a thought to subj of how mb is tested at factory)
asciilifeform: what to ~do~ with it, is up to the user's imagination !
mircea_popescu: yes. deliberately. this is as much an "exploit" as stealing electricity from the pole is "fighting the man".
mircea_popescu: about 1.5/10 on the scale of things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all the jacking off and cumbiscuit eating, that thing is just a stupid "oh, jtags, can you make a windows program that keeps flashing them ???"
asciilifeform: ^ one useful find, he turned up some boxes where the connector is on ~under~ side of mb, and difficult to inspect
asciilifeform: in other lulz, apparently folx do occasionally read asciilifeform's site, http://gematom.blogspot.kr/2016/01/nsa-godsurgefluxbabbitt.html
asciilifeform: unless you can also conjure up materials with ~same speed of sound~, there will be refraction
asciilifeform: that this is the abstract 'how' - yes. but achieved ?
mircea_popescu: much like temperature range mechanical resistance is obtained through "thermic allignment" ie, put items that dilate/contract same together.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would expect "mommentum allignment". ie, engineer the parts so that sudden acceleration moves them all equally.
mats: nah it has nsn, supply sgt orders them
asciilifeform: what do they actually issue ?
asciilifeform: mats: i always wondered, what keeps the mirrors, prisms, etc in that $700 box from whanging out of alignment after 1000 shots
mats: there is more than one rifle ready position
asciilifeform: it wasn't in the catalogue i read...
mats: I forget if it's the acog or eotech
asciilifeform: with the exception of laser, they all require eyes to be approx level with the glass, neh?
mats: there are different kinds of scope
asciilifeform: all but the barrel
asciilifeform: hence the rhyme
asciilifeform: (large toy maker at the time)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 17:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a lot of the guy's complaints are in the direction of "this is too heavy too hard too etc" reminiscent of "beautiful one tries to go to war"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 17:32 mircea_popescu: first, i will crack all your fingers in the piano. THEN you MAY be allowed to buy ancient laptop and learn to gpg, MAYBE.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's suppressive fire directed at pinning down the enemy ; and then there's suppressive fire directed at silencing that little voice in own head going "you're such a fucking idiot..."
asciilifeform: if you dun believe in suppressivefire, the correct rifle is a mosin.
asciilifeform: suppressive fire is how we even got these cheap 'inaccurate bullet tossers' to begin with.
mircea_popescu: there's no "i fired it but it dun count because isis and shiva"
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not, let's redefine a cultural notion of fairness unbased on reality.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
mircea_popescu: guess what, it's unfair to count http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 "defensive allocation" into the heap!