mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, dead drop for key factor would in fact produce a very cheap and effective leak method. someone finding themselves in possession of such data doesn't currently have a good way to dump it, gotta go through the greenwaldwall at best.
asciilifeform: too many of these pr turds to list. most quite ununteresting.
asciilifeform: and threw camel entrails at him,” while others “taunted him and pelted him with rocks until he bled.” And yet, Muhammad forgave them, Khadeer wrote.'
asciilifeform: jan 15 2015: 'Mahmood Khadeer, the president and one of the founders of the Muslim Association of Puget Sound (MAPS) in Redmond, echoed this sentiment in a letter he sent out to the mosque’s community. In the letter, Khadeer — who said MAPS condemns the acts carried out by the terrorists last week — said some opponents of the prophet “insulted him, mistreated him, gathered filth at his door
asciilifeform: the diddled key has a distinct self-sig (my pgptron will not eat it, so i cannot easily evaluate where it may have come from)
asciilifeform: ^ only the magic key
asciilifeform: unlike earlier mutilated 'piltdown men', none seem to have extant earlier, uncorrupted versions of themselves:
asciilifeform: none of the keyz (they are, note, independent, other than by containing this mod turd) seem to have valid selfsig.
asciilifeform: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7FB82C851C5F7748 << the lul is quite visible, incidentally, to naked eye
trinque: I've shared some code with phf, but can otherwise just feed him log data from deedbot if he ever wants
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo consider qntra-fication for the Mahmood Khadeer find ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, your thing, your call. i dun see the benefit.
asciilifeform: (for some reason, nobody's bothered.)
asciilifeform: so long as they are rfc-tronic.
asciilifeform: it takes a few msec to test one of these.
mircea_popescu: why exactly would someone pop a magic number in there ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that there is now a generic hopper that takes 'F may be a factor of M, if verifies, entered in db'
asciilifeform: anyway they are all in same place as before,
mircea_popescu: ah there's that.
asciilifeform: there ^ .
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511478 << yeah but you also get to see what all the shit is. << yeah totally.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511478 << yeah but you also get to see what all the shit is.
mircea_popescu: should have fucking beheaded the lot.
asciilifeform: aha, only orcish eavesdropping, with clicks in the rotary phone, counts
mircea_popescu: love how they present this "anyone has to assume they are being eavesdropped on" as some sort of bad thing. cuz you know, it's not mother-usa doing it.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 14:36 asciilifeform: from the dept. of lulz: http://www.zeit.de/wissen/2016-07/turkish-academics-human-rights-ban-travel-recep-tayyip-erdogan
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 14:33 trinque: hm odd, I've got something to fix in deedbot's ghost logic. apparently ghost doesn't work if the ghosted nick disconnects in between the connection and ghost.
asciilifeform: makes perfect square rsa mod, factorable in motherfucking O(1), every time!111111
asciilifeform: didja know ! these attract SUCH MAGICal bitrot
mircea_popescu: they're just not doing it.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the irony of ironies, smooth in its uncanny fineness, is that THERE WOULD BE what to do to pay back the money spent on "studies".
mircea_popescu: there's problems here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one where 'boys cannot safely misbehave and learn' ?
mircea_popescu: sadly all the idiots are busy "researching" their way out of the hole digging in just about the opposite direction.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 12:08 asciilifeform: was there an article?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511442 << no, not really, perhaps past the "bitcoin is creating its own set of problems".
asciilifeform: nor be of aryan blood, or the like.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is accessible in the sense that i dun need to swear an oath, get tatooed, castrate meself with rusty knife, etc. to become adept.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 11:59 asciilifeform: which is, that mathematics is ~accessible~ to the determined mind. always, with no exception, WITHOUT demanding a swallowing of seekrit evidence.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511439 << not so, sadly. mathematics is accessible, yes, but only to the clear mind. the determined mind has clarity problems definitionally. you generally see just how fucking accessible mathematics is to the determined mind when reviewing the quality of statistics work produced by determined minds.
asciilifeform: ^ they sell some sort of cloud nonsense
mircea_popescu: seems improbable that dropped baby manages to compile hello world. to my eyes it's rather deliberate, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: what's this, the "halfkey" mode ?
asciilifeform: instead of bothering with generating a q
mircea_popescu: it'd have to be a state the art ownatron. seeing how rusty stoves has small chances of finding squares quite so deliciously.
asciilifeform: aha! in what did they generate key, in old rusty stove ?
mircea_popescu: Mahmood Khadeer , " president and co-founder of the Muslim Association of Puget Sound (MAPS)" ?
mircea_popescu: THIS incidentally is a problem you run into all the time.
mircea_popescu: it is ALSO answerable, except not in certain ways. from a particular solipsistic position, the "probability" of there existing such a thing as a cube of bronze is just as remote as the probability of there existing a cube of antimatter the same size.
asciilifeform: follow the 'seen elsewhere' links, aslo
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes "made of human fat" is answerable. the problem is - everything's made of human fat. much more important a question is, to use ballas' exceptionally apt terminology for the matter, "is this an impossible fantasy to be pursued at the expene of your labour and your life" ? the lori gottlieb question.
asciilifeform: it means he's phucked, as soon as i add the knob for manually augmenting 8ball.
asciilifeform: SURPRISINGLY, the only one.
mircea_popescu: i never thought i'd be excited by how long they are.
mircea_popescu: ie, that the cow is the product of someone nursing a veal ; whereas the rifle wasn't nursed from pistolhood. the joke's a joke, but "your" car and "your" chunk of copper aren't the same thing.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between cow and rifle. other than the objectively obvious and in general.
mircea_popescu: mno. you recall the gypsy stolen gun story ?
asciilifeform: it is precisely the 'colour of bits' though, no ?
mircea_popescu: title, as a convenient fiction in common parlance, nevertheless translates a deep and important ontological difference.
mircea_popescu: mno. title as understood by idiots is a convenient fiction, much like santa-the-gift-giver is a convenient fiction. this fiction does not mean it's a good idea to be a bad kiddy, in either case.
mircea_popescu: and the deep reason title is the problem is this : that my own slavegirl, i will beat. but random whore, i will not.
mircea_popescu: title is the problem here though.
asciilifeform: but of the elementary sense in which stolen cars are not legitimately reflective of the cost of making car.
mircea_popescu: but title is the point.
mircea_popescu: the minor difference that NO ONE ELSE has title on the first two, and supposedly the lady on the third, is not germane to YOUR position.
asciilifeform: whereas if syria pumps, isis loots, and then sells for pennies on the dollar - then yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here is where i must disagree: mineral that someone digs up, then sells, and the selling pays for the digging - is not in any useful sense stolen
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 11:56 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511408 << it is a proper field , perhaps, but makes the spy business look transparent. ftmeade leaks, saudi palace - not, afaik.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 11:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article, iirc, where 'when considering avg price of cars, do not also average in the price of stolen cars sold in a hurry'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511434 << this example doesn't work because when valuing "cars" one makes a deliberate exception of the $15 cost of the raw sheet metal going in. there is no such thing as minerals that aren't also stolen cars. again for the obvious reason - nobody's mommy picks molybden ingots from under her nails as normal part of morning hygiene.
asciilifeform: picture, would be there still, watering office plants or sumthing.
mircea_popescu: but, ~nothing keeps you from taking the oath and then you'll know. and have no time for anything else, included remembering why the fuck you wanted to know in the first place. such is the wonder.
mircea_popescu: ough as it is, with everyone lying to everyone every chance they get, as part and parcel of what economics IS, this branch of cryptocurrency.)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 11:43 asciilifeform: the above is why i never dug into the 'pricing of energetics' thing in detail - i find he subj quite similar to, e.g., usg unemployment figures - i have no access to the seeeekrit evidence required to cut away the fiction from the reality
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511429 << not as a civilian, and for the very obvious reason. (or at least it should be obvious - past a few hundred or so, adding more "opinion"ators does not improve the overall quality of the resultant opinion, even if it increases the costs of resulting it.which is also why "inclusive" programs always fail. so people trying to figure this shit out really don't need anymore noise. good en
mircea_popescu: a submarine doesn't drive, not like a car at any rate. a submarine is a lot closer to a plane, ie, "a dot being moved on a graph". except the plane has a much ampler bubble.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you might think for unclear and i suspect unexamined reasons, finance is actually a quite sensible, rather complex and definitely satisfying art.
mircea_popescu: but no, the 100 is not a trend indicator, it's a situation indicator. long term historical prices indicate the trend, future spot indicates the short term.
mircea_popescu: did they do that in 1990 russia also ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 11:38 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511416 << why should i look at the instantaneous value solely, rather than this limit?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511426 << for ~the same reason you're invited to not value cars by the process of running down the street in a gaggle of boys this age yelling at times "whoa this is a good one, 250!" because the car had a speedometer backing listing that number.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 17:55 mircea_popescu: "i'll pay your son to rape your wife with money taken from your house" is the byline of the revolution.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 11:31 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511402 << nobody complained in the 10,001 times i mentioned 'the cost of microshit'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511423 << this is a political choice, the matter's discussed pluriously. hitler pays the bill for "what he did" AND for what "he made us do". microshit has no way out of liability for the same reason the conclusion of 390 gaul campaign was not "a delegation of older women from each side got together to list each side's complaints and sufferances equally and wail together".
asciilifeform: mats: not since i quit the shithole where that was my day job, l0l
mod6: i've done this before, I was saying in here, but.. it's been a good while since. Might be worth another gathering. If that's a bit boring or whatever, don't worry, I can tackle this later.
mod6: however, this is a decent opportunity to go a head, build with the build script, save all your terminal output to say a `script` into typescript or whatever bash logging you wanna do, and gather up the list of deps buildroot pulls so I can start to climb that mountain.
shinohai: yeah i diddled the sigs on each part and reran. Failed as expected
mod6: if that stuff works well, then will probably pass around for others to try before it's deed-ified
mod6: so i need to still do some negative testing; i need to kinda run the script a section at a time. and in each section, exiting after it pulls an artifact, diddle the signature by hand on the fs, then resume; this should cause the signature check to fail, and the signature conditional to exit the script with an error as designed.
mod6: ah. yeah might still be some changes to come if something doesn't pass the tests. so be prepared for that eventuallity until V99994 is placed in deedbot.
mod6: Previously we were checking this, but I don't know if it was failing properly if there was a bad sig.
mod6: So, yeah, added in the pull of the deeds, the checking of the sigs, uudecoded, and checked the output hashes. not just on the craptastic four; also put in explicit sig checking on the rotor and V.
shinohai: Finished the Ubuntu build before you got on, so yeah all working nice mod6
mod6: hopefully we can get those ones in, and work towards getting the whole wad frozen.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 yeah, i recall. << iirc, there was a whole pile of these second level deps. i seem to remember that at the time, there wasn't a plan in place for how to climb the mountain there. but with the primary artifacts now deeded, we have a pattern.
asciilifeform: including the brain-melter: 'Because I stay independent in my science, I am dependent on international funding. '
asciilifeform: from the dept. of lulz: http://www.zeit.de/wissen/2016-07/turkish-academics-human-rights-ban-travel-recep-tayyip-erdogan
trinque: hm odd, I've got something to fix in deedbot's ghost logic. apparently ghost doesn't work if the ghosted nick disconnects in between the connection and ghost.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo ... thestringpuller put me on more comedy lulz incoming
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: was there an article?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 06:31 mircea_popescu: this is a prime something to cleave, somehow. it is a major limit of our world, much moreso than "carbon" blabla or gravity. its unyielding pressure creates the necessity of the harem, for instance, and many things.
asciilifeform: which is, that mathematics is ~accessible~ to the determined mind. always, with no exception, WITHOUT demanding a swallowing of seekrit evidence.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu appears to be deliberately glossing over important difference between asciilifeform in petro thread and the proverbial 'all functions are convex!!1111' kid above
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 06:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of "deny". energy economics is a proper field, which you're welcome to learn if you care, or not. the behaviour you briefly engaged in is not unlike 15 yo alf trying to learn math by busting into brin sr's class and yelling "all functions are convex! prove me wrong!" really loudly.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511408 << it is a proper field , perhaps, but makes the spy business look transparent. ftmeade leaks, saudi palace - not, afaik.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article, iirc, where 'when considering avg price of cars, do not also average in the price of stolen cars sold in a hurry'
asciilifeform: but also because the petro market is only partly a market, but partly also a system of tribute collection and other non-commercial exchange
asciilifeform: at least partly because ~the usd~ is an artifact consisting largely of fiction;
asciilifeform: *the subj
asciilifeform: the above is why i never dug into the 'pricing of energetics' thing in detail - i find he subj quite similar to, e.g., usg unemployment figures - i have no access to the seeeekrit evidence required to cut away the fiction from the reality
asciilifeform: the 100, as i understand, is a more honest figure, it factors in actual trend (no prizes for guessing: down) in production, aint nobody making moar of it.. - and is less affected by the anti-ru dumping presently in effect
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 06:39 mircea_popescu: that difference is perhaps best understood as the difference between "find me the real roots of f(x)" and "find me the limit of f(x) with x->inf". different stories altogether.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511416 << why should i look at the instantaneous value solely, rather than this limit?
asciilifeform: i'd luvvv to know, why the special pleading for petrocar, it is quite the same as winblowz, x86, and other 'this is mainstream, cheap, normal and stop counting the actual damage from it as cost, you terrorist'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 04:10 trinque: and for fucks sake there is no such thing as "the cost of fission power"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511402 << nobody complained in the 10,001 times i mentioned 'the cost of microshit'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and in other boobs, http://namethatporn.com/post/333009-where-can-i-find-this-video.html
mircea_popescu: when i say "You see ? The capitalist found the externality, made his item certainly cheaper and arguably "better" at the expense of unknown things not in his charge." i am not being facetious. the derp's actually being a good capitalist in that example. which is the broader point there : one can't pull himself up by own breeches, "capitalism" is not a cure for stupidity, merely an instrument for smart people.
mircea_popescu: trinque the important point about "externalities" in a discussion of money, and by extension capitalism, is that they're never anything other than a power play. (much like appeals to "science" in a social setting, notwithstanding the libertard's hollow pretense to the contrary).
mircea_popescu: that difference is perhaps best understood as the difference between "find me the real roots of f(x)" and "find me the limit of f(x) with x->inf". different stories altogether.
mircea_popescu: it's true that oil ~futures~ did top 100 for some time some time ago. this is a different sort of "price" than the "price" of interest in the reasoning above, and a different sort of signal.
mircea_popescu: t. the 25 cents may not be exact, but they're not far off for one thing, and based on actual reasoning as opposed to "let's say things see what happens".
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round the matter for the readership, oil is not 100, but about 35 atm. was 40 last year. in this interval of time, about two thirds of the cost of the barrel comes from various royalties paid to governments, both directly and indirectly in the form of "compliance" with myriad idiocies. the cost of refining, owing to technological advance entirely unrelated to government, is under a cent. transportation around a cen
mircea_popescu: this is a prime something to cleave, somehow. it is a major limit of our world, much moreso than "carbon" blabla or gravity. its unyielding pressure creates the necessity of the harem, for instance, and many things.
mircea_popescu: but of course, more generally, the reason civilisation in all its known implementations always flows towards "herd of females, and capons" is exactly that naturally, boys tend to prefer learning by the above described process, which is never popular with the learned.
mircea_popescu: there's better ways to learn things than saying the stupidest thing one can thing of to the smartest people he can find.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of "deny". energy economics is a proper field, which you're welcome to learn if you care, or not. the behaviour you briefly engaged in is not unlike 15 yo alf trying to learn math by busting into brin sr's class and yelling "all functions are convex! prove me wrong!" really loudly.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the substance of the dreamer's dream is always dreamy! and of a creamy consistence!
trinque: no one ever bought "fission power" the concept
trinque: asciilifeform: I refer you to the "pay for sunlight" thread. No one contests that there *are* externalities, but their cost is undefined.
mod6: I'd have to dig through the logs. I'll turn my attention to that at some point soon after I get an updated build script out there.
mod6: I'm trying to remember the specifics. I can't seem to recall too much about it.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510902 << this is a good point, actually. gotta be looked into, sealing gotta seal all the crevices. << noted. I dug into this at one point, but got side tracked by other pressing things that came up at the time.
asciilifeform: laugh at both, or neither, or you have unprincipled-exception.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511386 << argument concerned simple principle: if folks dun feel like counting gulf war I and II, and ~all~ wahabbi derpery, etc. as 'part of cost of petro', i can just as readily say that fukushima, chernobyl are 'not in the cost' of fission-power. etc
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 01:19 mircea_popescu: want it or not, some level of denied externality is baked into life, not just human life bu life altogether. most people grok this point when contemplating lord kelivn's universal death idea.
BingoBoingo: In other news, some derp is dreaming about mustering enough miners to 51% the ethereum chain that didn't hardfork in a time travel theft. Idiot appears to be neglecting that much hash would make his chain vulnerable.
mircea_popescu: want it or not, some level of denied externality is baked into life, not just human life bu life altogether. most people grok this point when contemplating lord kelivn's universal death idea.
mircea_popescu: ~nobody paid anything like the actual cost << if you mean "the cost to make huge ferns, stuff them into earth, make oil", then yes. this is however no argument : nobody pays, nor could anyone ever pay, the "cost to re-do big bang".
ben_vulpes: to continue the exercise, for students, every time pete_dushenski is logged in and self-voiced, he may be assumed to be in physical proximity to his keys.
asciilifeform: trinque: this comes from the idiot socket handler
trinque: my observation is that my node will get behind, then rapidly catch up if restarted
trinque: blockchain was a bit behind on the node, but yes, farts bundle URLs now
trinque: this is in the logs.
asciilifeform: 'petro is mainstream, ubiquitous, easy, fuck off with the weird'
pete_dushenski: anyways, i have to beat this rainstorm heading my way. having left the 16cyls parked, cycling and all. i'll read the continuation in the logs but it'll be a few busy days until i'm voiced again.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this entire thread reminds me of a uniquely-american, incidentally, pasttime: impassioned defense of the heathen imperial system of weights&measures
pete_dushenski: the two are not of one kind.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: of the social form, not the 'we wrote this on a piece of paper and now it means things and we also made lots and lots of signs everywhere so that you never forget what we wrote on the pieces of paper'
pete_dushenski: besides, everything alive grows to the point where it can't grow anymore.
pete_dushenski: structure, rules, hierarchy, the lot. saudis have. usians don't.
pete_dushenski: so non-people helping non-people... i fail to see the issue here. saudis have far more culture, however lamentable you may find it, than americanos.
asciilifeform: largely these, afaik.
asciilifeform: and that this is just as loathesome as obummercare.
asciilifeform: the rest - socialized.
asciilifeform: but that ~nobody paid anything like the actual cost of his petro-ride at the pump, in half a century or so.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: basically, costs and prices fluctuate and you can't just cherrypick historical numbers to suit your theory.
pete_dushenski: when discussing proportions, it's essential to keep in mind what our priors are. don't be the vacuum thinking kid from the recent contravex comments
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: $44 barrel nets $2 gallon at the pump. $100 barrel closer to $4 per gal at the pump.
asciilifeform: trinque: generally a deliberate bargain is implied - otherwise, 'living cost him his life'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511123 << not for a second. without usg, gas is ~25 cents at the pump. it FEEDS the usgolade, not eats from it.
trinque: as in, "the train wreck cost him his life"
trinque: probably all of them
trinque: I wonder how many other idiot languages conflate monetary cost and "prevents alternate possible outcome"
asciilifeform: no amount of sophistry will get you folks out of this one. we pay the cost of burning dino every time we take breath, for instance.
asciilifeform: trinque: i get to tally the cost of unambiguously petro-related atrocities.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:34 trinque: this is the fucking carbon credits argument
trinque: you do not get to tally up the sum total of effect something has on the univese itself and try to derive a price from that
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 19:35 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot 'alcachofa 7515' is mega-story. i can almost apprehend the sheer vacuum inside the argentine heads now!111
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510942 << haha, cool. and no, i wouldn't be surprised if someone here finds it and harangues me for unauthorizedly publishing their exact history or w/e
trinque: generous rate on the stupidities
pete_dushenski: no opera for the gossiper
mircea_popescu: trinque i'd be happy with a boyhood tax. to quote the classics, three pennies to the gossip ; two to the lie and one for every two stupidities.
mircea_popescu: there isn't "the cost of there being such a thing as saudi arabia". this isn't how costs work. and in general, this isn't fucking fiction.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: there are no eyebrows to raise at me!
mircea_popescu: again : the 2 dollars paid at pump for a gallon of gas are split : $0.25 covers the entire economic process involved ; $1.75 goes to usg to pay for random idiocy du jour
trinque: they should introduce a meta-tax next, which is a tax which covers the cost (including pain and suffering) of the cockroach bureaucrats having to count the taxes
trinque: this is the fucking carbon credits argument
asciilifeform: roll, e.g., simply the costs of there being such a thing as saudi arabia. if you like, ~solely~ of property damage from attributed explosions.
asciilifeform: *the
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: do you imagine that your payment at he pump comes remotely close to covering the actual coat of the liquid dino?
asciilifeform: anything! is cheeeap! - if others pay.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and pray tell where i may read up on other sanities like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511130
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: true - and also the elementary particle socialism is made of.
mircea_popescu: dude. the cost of hiring a woman to scrub my floor is not "whatever plus the cost of keeping her from going to college and also running of to cuba w3hen she was 17"
asciilifeform: and sure whatever if you use the 'not germane because i say so, fuckyou' magic wand, can come up with whatever answer you like.
asciilifeform: the cost, to the rest of the planet, of those particular orcs remaining among the living.
asciilifeform: and of the idiot gulf warz etc.
mircea_popescu skips over the rest of that trollage.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:45 asciilifeform: starting from the astonishingly available and quite subsidized (incl. via petrowar) fuel
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it means 'the well-known , effective, but wholly ignored Right Answer.'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511123 << not for a second. without usg, gas is ~25 cents at the pump. it FEEDS the usgolade, not eats from it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the ethics of "i like to eat"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511085 << there still isn't. this is like saying "before emperor took a shit in the soup bowl there was no turdsoup." sure, now there is, technically, but it still ain't soup in the sense, "i'd want to eat that". i dun think at any point the notion that if you tape many cellphone batteries together you get A LARGER BATTERY/firehazard.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511097 << he doesn't know why he wants it ; but the larger thing that he's trying, unknowingly, to be, ie "mainstream media" thrives on anonimity because then greenwald, ie self-appointed derp of no value or importance, can ride on "anon" back all the way to the bank. it's a mental model that gets all the journawhores wet.
asciilifeform: these are petro products!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:37 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: petrol car only looks like a great deal because no one hangs you upside down and rubs yer nose in the externalities.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511094 << last i recall, it went exactly the other way around : electric car "great deal" because nobody actually bothers to point out the externalities. in fact, ANYTHING BUT PETROL car, ie, "methanol" green car, hydrogen car etc. same deal.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:32 asciilifeform: fact is, prior to musk there were no electromobile with ~reasonable range.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511085 << there still isn't. this is like saying "before emperor took a shit in the soup bowl there was no turdsoup." sure, now there is, technically, but it still ain't soup in the sense, "i'd want to eat that". i dun think at any point the notion that if you tape many cellphone batteries together you get A LARGER BATTERY/firehazard.
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4v0v9k/someone_just_split_from_the_dao_and_drained_it/ https://archive.is/J2ZW4
mircea_popescu: funny how there's always a "legion in the sky" at every powerless derp's beak and call. "THE REAL WORLD". orly ? what real world ?
mircea_popescu: poor girl. i wonder what's the conclusion of average female after sticking finger in blender.
mircea_popescu: watched them paint it a garish blue once. they ran out of paint, leaving a footlong section down the middle.
mircea_popescu: the house.
ben_vulpes: are asciilifeform and i really the only ones with our own rss readers?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 19:23 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, did this http://thewhet.net/2016/alcachofa-7515 ever appear here ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510902 << this is a good point, actually. gotta be looked into, sealing gotta seal all the crevices.
_FeltPen: thx to whomever wrote the guide for tmsr. very helpful navigating this stuff.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510847 << about same reason they go "someone shat in the elevator" instead of "Paul shat in the elevator" eh.
ben_vulpes: “The engine, with a bore of 950 mm and a stroke of 3,460 mm, provides 6,870 kW/cylinder at 80 rpm and 21 bar MEP (in L1) and was introduced as a supplement to the successful S90ME-C9/10 engine types, allowing the engine to be further de-rated thanks to the larger cylinder bore and/or fewer cylinders to be installed.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is a new point in the logs?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: was rockefeller usgtronic ? i seem to recall him having bought and paid for congress, not the other way around.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: point , earlier, was that cheap, ubiquitous petrol is every bit as usgtronic as the monsanto-midland-mcdonalds food supply system.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but pictures bugatti is only production car that would fit the 16cyl bill
ben_vulpes: "for 7.5k i'd expect you bought the 2-turbo model, but can you check to see if it has 2 or 3? sometimes the factory bolted a spare on."
ben_vulpes: heh was actually looking at a trashcan nissan on craigslist the other day. someone wanted 7.5k for it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah pete is entering his ride in the tractor pull
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for as long as the usg provides for my externalizing onto its citizens, i will do so.
asciilifeform: the printolade press - pays.
asciilifeform: point is that pete_dushenski is not exposed to anywhere near the actual cost of his ride.
BingoBoingo: From "bitcoinist.net" betting picks "Although Woodley has shown some cardio issues in the past and does carry a lot of muscle mass that can produce fatigue, I think this fight will go over 2.5 rounds." << ROLFMAO
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i've done the math and i'll pay the marginal cost in exchange for filling up when i want, where i want, and everywhere between here and timbuktoo
pete_dushenski: didn't i recently link that piece about the exorbitant cost of public electric car charging stations ? and the lines that form waiting for them ?
asciilifeform: starting from the astonishingly available and quite subsidized (incl. via petrowar) fuel
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> the elise, evora, exige do, yes. << Not Lotus cars. Last Lotus was the Model 7