mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921070 << ever been on a date with one of those weird fucks who want to drive you there, cook the meal, feed it to you while holding the glass and then perhaps even fuck you (while you're passed out, preferably, so they get to move your legs and maybe even your lips for you with their own hand) ?
mircea_popescu: god fucking forbid you look at the damned things in the face, you might die or something.
mircea_popescu: you're all sitting on the exact same piles of self-righteousness, too, it's something beyond parody. one dude's got the "suave exclusive" pile of veblens and is snickering at you other two, while the other dude's got his "truly truthful" pile o' divines an' is snickering a tyou other two, and you've got your single-path-impredictable-and-unreviewable theorems and snickering at them two. cuz nobody really understands the real
mircea_popescu: there's exactly no difference, you understand this, between an overgrown child who's tying polished stones to his wrist/ankle/whatever, an overgrown child who's spending all his time in bound fascination over his own erections, and an overgrown child who simply can not fucking organize, predict and review his own activity.,
mircea_popescu: this being the fundamental point here : if you're gonna stay the same, no need to even wait for me to rate whatever. just fucking walk away. the point of republican life is meaningful change, not herpderp, my own insanity is so much better than pete_d's or whoevers, notwithstanding they're both made of exactly same infantile substance.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 18:30 asciilifeform: i gotta go and do a meat chore for 2h or so. if mircea_popescu et al have specific q for asciilifeform , will answer when come back. if mircea_popescu says 'instead do x', i'ma see if i have with what. else would prefer to skip the 2017 ' mircea_popescu plays with his food ' and take the -10 sooner rather than later-and-wasted-errybodys-time .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921068 << it's the same thing as two years ago, and i fear two years from now too : 1. write "i am going to X" ; then either 2a. do x or else 2b-1. explain why you didn't do x AND 2b-2 explain what you're going to do differently, ie, CHANGE, about yourself, so as not to be in the b branch again ; and then later 3. review how well 2b-2 has been working out for you and CHANGE SOME MORE.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm tuned in, but would rather answer concretes, and in pulsed bursts, to keep up snr. for nao will go to other terminal.
BingoBoingo: We've had tremendous buildout of tools, and that needs to continue. At some point we gotta use the tools.
BingoBoingo: At some point the ratio of conversations about "grandfather's pistols" to "our missile batteries" is going to have to improve.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'thinking men in the wild' proposition resembling 'seti'(tm) moar with each passing day.
BingoBoingo: Appears to be exactly the sort of bright crackpottery that might hook "thinking man" out in the wild.
BingoBoingo: Well, if you sketch it out in the blog it'll be easier to ask strangers if they want it.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu & co. indicate that they'd care to read this, then sure. otherwise waste.
BingoBoingo: Do you think you can take an hour this upcoming week to publish an outline of the MIPS thing and where you see it going on your blog?
BingoBoingo: Well, lets try to make Pizarro the thing that gets you out.
BingoBoingo: The evidence is mounting that any amount of salt mine is too much, gotta make the aim getting out.
asciilifeform: 3y tour of duty an' counting. improvement over the prev, in that no commute and actually leaves some energy for actual work. but evidently not enuff.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for extra lulz, asciilifeform's salt mine detail consists of very similar thing to what diana_coman does ( unravel ancient cpp hairball, replacing w/ sanity, under the drums of Proper Management an' w/ regular parcels & report etc )
BingoBoingo: Anyways, break even may seem far away, but it is pointedly not the end. Break alf out of saltmines at some point needs to be on the table.
BingoBoingo: Script pointedly does not call for mercy begging. Calls for you drawing some tea, taking a walk, and reflecting on how to maximize the return on your time outside the saltmines.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm all for constructive actions. but if the script calls 'beg for mercy' then it's through, asciilifeform is not into s&m and is grown man rather than pet chix, will not beg anyone for anyffin.
BingoBoingo: There's one way to keep mircea_popescu from going home and that is action. Blades spin, clock ticks, can't walk backwards in time, etc... gotta start acting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i have coin enuff to run for another ~year (if no major swings in exchange rt) and then through. mg nest outta belt.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: Make a mission of it: 12, 18, 24 months to get out of Mordor and stop digging salt for the enemy. Strict http://trilema.com/2013/the-theory-behind-the-alternative-eve-corporation/#selection-445.0-445.447 on your way to a land with cheese.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921075 << we have slim but realistic shot of emplacing 32 heathens and reaching breakeven (counting BingoBoingo's food & pad) , per the outlined mips + irons plan. if mp goes home, however, and cancels his irons, even slimmer.
asciilifeform: ( literally, the kind w/ 4 legs )
asciilifeform: holyshit i have an undocumented cat in the house.
BingoBoingo: You work is of uniformly high quality and you have identified the obstacle to producing more of it. Let us try to pivot to action to blast the obstacle. Maybe the next quarterly S.NSA statement includes "To my pleasant surprise..."
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 18:22 BingoBoingo remembers the time shortly before departing to Uruguay when he recieved a dispatch from danielpbarron during one of danielpbarron's then increasingly long bouts of silence. The guy declared to have a concrete plan to do the ISP thing in Brasil, contacted a datacenter and all, but made no updates into the logs about having done so. I thusly encouraged him to try the ISP thing, but he instead went the other way to Oklahoma.
BingoBoingo: I brought up http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921054 because it epitmoizes the Republican communication problem where despite ample examples, keeping everything "sooper top seekrit" until its absolutely "done" is the most losing strategy.
BingoBoingo: The disease afflicting the republic is that 2013, 2014 through 2019 and three figure USD bitcoin reported by heathens to 4 and 5 figure Bitcoin reported by heathens is that while a bunch of very cool tools have been made, there hasn't been much escaping from the bezzle.
BingoBoingo: Make a mission of it: 12, 18, 24 months to get out of Mordor and stop digging salt for the enemy. Strict http://trilema.com/2013/the-theory-behind-the-alternative-eve-corporation/#selection-445.0-445.447 on your way to a land with cheese.
BingoBoingo: Draw up some tea, take a walk, and give some serious thought to maximizing your return on effort with the aim of breaking out of the salt mine.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921064 << Let us try to fix this part. This is the opening to get your hours and boners back from Microshit. I find the saltmining forever assumption troubling. Digging for the manticore reference yesterday I got struck pretty hard with the melancholoy counting the years.
asciilifeform: i gotta go and do a meat chore for 2h or so. if mircea_popescu et al have specific q for asciilifeform , will answer when come back. if mircea_popescu says 'instead do x', i'ma see if i have with what. else would prefer to skip the 2017 ' mircea_popescu plays with his food ' and take the -10 sooner rather than later-and-wasted-errybodys-time .
mircea_popescu: i am not concerned so much by whether fg made back or not.
asciilifeform: tried to be the 1st. and ended up with fg ( did it ever make back what mircea_popescu put in for us to bake it ? ) and a demonstrably-correct numerics stack that dun leak ( which apparently nobody wants to even read, much less use )
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 18:03 asciilifeform: if -- worm, then let someone else do what asciilifeform apparently - fails - to do, that must be done, and asciilifeform will go to where worms go.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920999 << yes, eventually someone else will have to do all the things you do not do. you know this going in, or rather, coming out into this world. entirely unrelated and fucking uninteresting sidepoint, of the caliber of appending "a=a" to all sorta technical manuals.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so be the first, what fucking difference does it have. life can not proceed without modles ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what anyone enjoys. i got the topless starlets to enjoy me out the wazoo.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:56 asciilifeform: mp, for instance, does not enjoy reading such broadcasts and i dun think anyone else does either
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920995 << "enjoys" nothing, the world's not here for your enjoyment. that item was ~IMPORTANT~ because it permitted discussion, through being a basis for it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who, incidentally, ought asciilifeform to have been learning from ? which is the hero that, with full time salt mine, also 'has the items' and keeps the schedule etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i know you don't. do you know how i know ? because you can't produce the items! if you had them, you'd have been having them by now.
BingoBoingo remembers the time shortly before departing to Uruguay when he recieved a dispatch from danielpbarron during one of danielpbarron's then increasingly long bouts of silence. The guy declared to have a concrete plan to do the ISP thing in Brasil, contacted a datacenter and all, but made no updates into the logs about having done so. I thusly encouraged him to try the ISP thing, but he instead went the other way to Oklahoma.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: suppose , for a moment, that asciilifeform issued weekly broadcasts. wouldja want to read the typical one ? because it is likely as not to consist of 'this week i spent 50hrs battling microshit, and 7 tryin' to load peh back into my greying head'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920994 << you fucking read them, mother! you read them, for YOU to find out why you suck! jaysus. you think people write journals for the public ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu still convinced that ' asciilifeform doesn't think it out properly ' rather than ' trying to take off 'cessna' weighing 2 tonne , loaded with 20 ' ?
mircea_popescu: you whine about how windows computers don't tag memory and processes properly, but your own fucking head... doesn't tag either time or activity, is the idea here ?
mircea_popescu: human industry isn't this activity whereby orc sees field, goes RAAAAAA!!! and runs amuk in it, the results to be tallied later by forensics.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:31 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
mircea_popescu: eh, bs. reporting isn't some sort of chore that's to be shoved in the wasted hours, after "real work" was done.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu expects full-time pro a+++ work & reporting from folx who have 0-10 hrs/wk they managed to keep from the salt mine boss.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:08 mp_en_viaje: and yes, i get it, it irritates you to high heavens your work isn't moving faster. that's fine. but it is also not the topic here.
mircea_popescu: not like i;m sitting here on a pile of gold an' coin amassed through exploiting phf, mod6 an; poor little old you but won' tsplit the loot.
mircea_popescu: then wtf are you on about ?
mircea_popescu: get your ass in the fucking hustle rather than whining to me about how poor you are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, is there a bent nickle you made that i kept from you or something ?
mircea_popescu: holy hell look at that, just as soon as getting the fuck alligned to reality is in discussion, what ignatius wanna do is resurrect greenspan. what the fuck nonsense is this.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can see his irritation , also, 2 other worms this yr have all but stopped giving silk -- mod6 , phf -- 'for no apparent reason'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920985 << it's not clear to me what the problem is ; it also does not make much of a difference what the problem is. i am not going to become usg.fed, underbooking everyone's everything.
BingoBoingo: Having as we do finite erections and not infinite cunt, we don't have the right parts for mircea_popescu to beat us into having legs. We gotta start making our own legs.
mircea_popescu: if the idea here is, "show mp a good time", the average daily budget of the yurpean burlesque show attraction, a well built girl in her 20s, is <20 euros.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i intend to first learn whether mircea_popescu even wants to run a worm farm.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you have 7 hours that can either load Peh or get an outreach machine going, there seems to be an opportunity cost
mircea_popescu: "atm". this atm stretched like cheese over the YEARS
asciilifeform: if not proceed, then i haven't what to give. and mircea_popescu aint wrong, atm he is in person 90% of the customers.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re piz -- the mips item , i think i described, is so that ea. of the 32core boxen can be cut into 32 'you have root' properly isolated virtuals, which then can be leased to heathens w/out particular selectivity. but this requires not only for it to be finished properly ( it is on conveyor behind peh, which i explicitly promised to mp et al ) but for machine delivery to proceed.
mircea_popescu: did not work out for the foundation.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 17:25 BingoBoingo: I am managing the day to day, month to month, but someone with capital has to represent the capital
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920961 << basically, an abandoned ship, sailing randomly for as long as no rocks decide any better. sounds PRECISELY like the foundation.
BingoBoingo: Well, the whole aim of Pizarro is to try to make money. S.NSA hardware for Pizarro, and an outreach machine for Pizarro would seem the avenue to liberate your time from microsoft.
asciilifeform: if -- worm, then let someone else do what asciilifeform apparently - fails - to do, that must be done, and asciilifeform will go to where worms go.
BingoBoingo: This suggests the priority ought to be action towards killing the 50 hours of Microshit brain cancer, no?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:31 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
asciilifeform: mp, for instance, does not enjoy reading such broadcasts and i dun think anyone else does either
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: suppose , for a moment, that asciilifeform issued weekly broadcasts. wouldja want to read the typical one ? because it is likely as not to consist of 'this week i spent 50hrs battling microshit, and 7 tryin' to load peh back into my greying head'
BingoBoingo: There's only so many hours and only so many erections
BingoBoingo: Well, you can try to make the hours that you have count. Proactive communication, bait folks with the problems you are chewing on. Get Peh battle ready and pivot to Pizarro and get an outreach machine going.
asciilifeform: the mg promptly resumed chattering.
asciilifeform: ww2. lieutenant observes that one of the mg nests under his command has fallen silent. he goes and asks, 'sgt. petrov, why is your mg silent ?'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can see his irritation , also, 2 other worms this yr have all but stopped giving silk -- mod6 , phf -- 'for no apparent reason'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun have with what to disagree with mp. he wants professional, well-scheduled performance, like e.g. asciilifeform's day job. and he gets it, from diana_coman , whom he employs fulltime. as for asciilifeform & the other 'hangers on', all they've to bring to the table is, i guess, worm shit ?
asciilifeform: then -- worm ? ( what does mp_en_viaje gain from working with worm ? )
mp_en_viaje: because you can't go back in time and do anything differently ; if you're married to this "here's my narrative of what i've done", you're a worm, digging out wormholes through the wood or w/e.
mp_en_viaje: retrospective description of activity is THE OPPOSITE of this.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:28 BingoBoingo: As it is, there's no mention of the MIPS experiment on your blog. Last post is FFA Chapter 19. I suspect if put together a weekly or every other weekly "This is what I've done, here's what I am chewing on, here is what has yet to be bit off, etc" would calm some nerves
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920916 << nevermind fucking nerves. there is NO OPTIONALITY WHATSOEVER! management is this : "here's a, here's b, do we a or b ?". the whole implementation of rationality in human activity is based on fuckiong choice.
mp_en_viaje: which yes, is not the problem of asciilifeform personally. nevertheless, the part where nobody can predict what the fuck's gonna happen and when is one of the strands i believe the ultimate failure aggregate's weaved from.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: for my part 'would much rather people ask why there aint a statue to him, than why there is'
mp_en_viaje: and so following in this fucking vein, we had various hanger-ons being beheaded periodically, who tried to various things just as long as nothing useful, rebrand FG, make website for whatever, utter useless derpitude. deedbot wallet has today all the users it was born with and naught else. far, far from synnergy, and things ratcheting each other out of the swamp, as the grand design demands, we have mutually assisted insignificance on an epic sca
mp_en_viaje: internet goes shitty at the precisely useful moment, what can i do. eventually i get pissed off enough, step away, bbl.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:22 BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920914 << this is rather a structural problem. we had, for years, a "foundation", pompously called nothing, that sat on its ass doing a literal jack shit for however many years until finally managed to bumble onto a collision course. we've had pizarro for years now, and this pizarro has as many customers today as it had yesterday, and last week, and last year -- minus dpb, i guess.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:22 BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is a different conversation, but there's a shared thread in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920914 the communication problem
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:22 BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920914 << this is rather a structural problem. we had, for years, a "foundation", pompously called nothing, that sat on its ass doing a literal jack shit for however many years until finally managed to bumble onto a collision course. we've had pizarro for years now, and this pizarro has as many customers today as it had yesterday, and last week, and last year -- minus dpb, i guess.
mp_en_viaje: my memory of the discussion also seems to be that, in summa, alf was gonna learn how to manage others on the well tried hide of BingoBoingo .
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 15:36 asciilifeform: i presume that erryone who wants to, knows where to find asciilifeform when he is sacked and '!rate -10 once was someone we liked, nao for the knackers' etc. erryone who does not -- plox to write in.
asciilifeform: structure of piz is convo that has to be had, but it is really 2 very diff convos depending on whether http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920862 or not, so prolly oughta be had 2nd, rather than 1st.
BingoBoingo: I am managing the day to day, month to month, but someone with capital has to represent the capital
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he did ?! cuz actually mod6 is atm the majority holder, asciilifeform owes a coin ( to piz, and another 1/3 of coin to mp_en_viaje , will prolly end up having to break open cold store for it )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: mod6 passed management of the month to month to me and left the chair on high for you
asciilifeform: working from the literal text. where board, consisting of mod6 & asciilifeform , hired BingoBoingo as chairman, with mutual agreement of all parties ( and iirc encouragement of mp_en_viaje & co )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920907 << do you grok the difference between astronomer, who says "tomorrow -- eclypse" and tree, which... simply grows ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo accepted the chairmanship, entirely in accordance with charter, when old chair abdicated.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, historically, because you draw the charter such.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920894 << nope, real time is exactly not it. exact same shiot as retrospective, really, purely irrational. to be rational, it must be PROSPECTIVE. science makes predictions not "in real time" or after tjhe fact. BEFORE the fact.
asciilifeform: waitasec, he's the chair, why asciilifeform is to manage him ?
mp_en_viaje: gimme a break, the infantile copouts.
asciilifeform: left off making promises which i dun have the resources to make good on, is all of it
mp_en_viaje: wtf is this, "i don't like the way the tests results are coming out so ima impugn the lab" ? "i'm not fat, i'm just stressed and besides everyone this side of ozarks looks like this" ?
mp_en_viaje: this pos sure picked the time to be flaky
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: then what was topic ? the lack of a per-ch release calendar ? attempted already, all it did is to add to asciilifeform's reputation as charlatan. and for that matter i dun recall any successes among the other folx with day jobs re multiweek calendars for pro-bono worx.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, i get it, it irritates you to high heavens your work isn't moving faster. that's fine. but it is also not the topic here.
mp_en_viaje: if you bother to review the source material, you might discover that is entirely ~your~ contribution.
asciilifeform: entirely willing to work with people, review plans, etc. but if mp_en_viaje declares ' i have snails here in terrarium faster than asciilifeform ' then i have no counter-argument, what sorta counter could there be.
mp_en_viaje: this is business 101, everyone who ever worked with people in any capacity understands it as a necessary part and parcel of what their life experience meant ; much like everyone who's ever been to the doctor understands that such contributions as "gimme the white round ones, they're the best" are not proper.
mp_en_viaje: you HAVE TO be able to work with others in order to make things. there's no way out of this. and you HAVE TO be able to plan, and execute, and review plans and executions, to work with others.
mp_en_viaje: yes, i'm very much aware "asciilifeform would rather roll out gossipd, trbi, sane comp irons, etc. ~with~ participation of mp_en_viaje" etc. the problem here is -- you will do no such thing. what you will do, instead, is reconfigure your own desk into some sort of shape you and you alone deem meaningful, and that's all. because it is not POSSIBLE, for the man who can't say either "i will do this" and then do it, nor "i said i would do this, but d
mp_en_viaje: it's not a matter of "mp". it is a matter that, alf as he finds himself, incapable of any rational process besides retrospective description, is not actually in a place where he can do anything with anyone else. exactly like the given example of the fallen rock.
mp_en_viaje: you have been, systematically if ineffectually (though i'm sure it looks exactly the other way from inside) attempting to escape management. this is an unhealthy state of affairs, and one that bars you from meaningful interaction with other people.
mp_en_viaje: management is only useful for rational agents, which is to say, they who do not expect to form some kind of personal relationship with it ; but instead use it, which is to say, permit it to operate upon them.
mp_en_viaje: management is the art and practice of optimizing known processes, and of reducing all phenomena to known processes. that's all it is, and all it does. it is a mighty useful thing, too, but not for everyone.
mp_en_viaje: management is exactly the same thing : a rational process. it is for the same exact cause just exactly as disinterested in your personality, your worldview, or the mask you put on things to make it possible to get out of bed in the morning.
mp_en_viaje: ense of revolutionarizing the fundamentals.
mp_en_viaje: if you proceed to explain to him how you don't feel urine tests are an adequate measure of your kidneys, because they're made of light and so something with a stroboscope would be rather preferable, he's going simply output a mental health specialist recommendation. because he does not care what you say ; he does not care what you think ; the process you are engaging in by going to the doctor is not open to your intellectual contribution in the s
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, looky, management is a rational activity. like medicine. when you go to the doctor's office, irrespective of what you say, he's going to seek the answer to a very specific set of questions, which he has pre-determined, and which he is not adjusting to you in any way -- on the contrary.
BingoBoingo: Log archaeology to follow old yet ongoing threads has a cost. Blog posts, even if they aren't substantially more than index cards manage to reduce the cost of substantially.
BingoBoingo: Having the MIPS thing in the log is good, but taking good stuff out of the log for the blog to highlight and more easily find later is a value add.
BingoBoingo: As it is, there's no mention of the MIPS experiment on your blog. Last post is FFA Chapter 19. I suspect if put together a weekly or every other weekly "This is what I've done, here's what I am chewing on, here is what has yet to be bit off, etc" would calm some nerves
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:31 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It seems to be that the problem is MP is stuck in a "Wat do?" loop.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma go to tea, and perhaps during this either someone deigns to cut the binomial into pieces that fit in asciilifeform's head, or will fit by itself, or not.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's not an answer to my question, is it; there is that direct contradiction there, right? it can't just be waived because whatever and it precisely points at the fact that the problem is not about "sacking asciilifeform" really.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: '...and in time close this one down. Fundamentally, the problem with intelligent people is that their flaws are unfixable -- were they fixable they'd have fixed them by now, and since they didn't fix them before they're not gonna start at any later point, and certainly not because they like you or something.' ?
asciilifeform: e.g. ffa , if counted from when asciilifeform first started the notebook and blew dust off knuth, is 3 y.o. nao.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 15:54 diana_coman read the article where it specifically says asciilifeform NOT sacked, nor to be sacked because that's nonsense given NSA's main purpose.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:06 asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to do asciilifeform the favour and spell it out as if he were the quasi-retarded 5yo that apparently all of the participants in $thread suspect that he is
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 15:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm at the tail end of the necessary cycle, was gonna order the irons this wk, and book the flight -- next, but would first rather find out mp_en_viaje's plan
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920864 << asciilifeform the thing to do seems to be bias towards action. Get iron racked, but also get a mechanical people scoop going.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to do asciilifeform the favour and spell it out as if he were the quasi-retarded 5yo that apparently all of the participants in $thread suspect that he is
diana_coman: asciilifeform: when *you are the reader*!
a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 15:38 asciilifeform: for completeness : output from variant with only sections 1 .. 8 of the multiprimorial ; eight 2048bit primes in 4m10.188s .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no; and communication is both-ways, includes reading what others say not what the reader thinks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it does not count. because it is ~retrospective~. this is how rocks communicate, "i can't speak for other hunks, but so far i hurtled three miles downhill"
asciilifeform: or a ch20 where the mistakes not fixed ? ( instead of proofreading, asciilifeform is having this-here thread... )
asciilifeform: loox like something else ? does diana_coman want e.g. the mips draft, what w/ some unknown % of bugginess ? for what ?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 13:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919162 << can't speak for other folx, but asciilifeform wrote 7 ch. of ffa thus far in '19 (featuring errything to do with primes, and all of peh, plus tutorials on the latter) and expect to wrap up 8th (# 20) before june is out.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, atm im figuring some time and a re-read is the only ticket.
asciilifeform: i dun know how to photosynthesize, diana_coman .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i've failed to apprehend the actual item, dun hesitate to elaborate, asciilifeform is grown-up and can be relied on not to cry
mircea_popescu: the core of that article is trinque 's lament, not your feelings as to the world and your adequacy in it. the man has a point -- large and round and not something we can afford to ignore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, try and think about the actual problem being discussed, rather than some simpler problem you feel more at ease with and everyone else should be retarded enough to permit the replacement with.
diana_coman read the article where it specifically says asciilifeform NOT sacked, nor to be sacked because that's nonsense given NSA's main purpose.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's original conveyor consisted of 'wrap peh to usability in battlefield by end of summer' and 'deliver irons to piz' (ditto, interval) . both on track atm. the former on track even if asciilifeform sacked, the latter will have to be reworked, if ditto.
mp_en_viaje: "personally i'd rather put fish on the fish counters" << is this the available variants ? metaphore ?
asciilifeform: pretty sure i described the available variants. what did i miss ?
asciilifeform: 'in my country there's a problem!'(tm)(r)
a111: Logged on 2019-06-15 19:08 asciilifeform back to ffaism, after short 'vacation' . will order piz irons in coming 2wk, as the req'd fiatola piles up
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm at the tail end of the necessary cycle, was gonna order the irons this wk, and book the flight -- next, but would first rather find out mp_en_viaje's plan
asciilifeform: i presume that erryone who wants to, knows where to find asciilifeform when he is sacked and '!rate -10 once was someone we liked, nao for the knackers' etc. erryone who does not -- plox to write in.
asciilifeform would rather roll out gossipd, trbi, sane comp irons, etc. ~with~ participation of mp_en_viaje , and with working isp, than w/out. but may have to without, apparently.
asciilifeform: personally i'd rather put fish on the fish counters, imho the resources for this are there. but it aint actually ~my~ fish counter, i just catch fish for it ( with no boat an' no net, but with bare hands. )
asciilifeform: next will sack the remaining orchestra of folx who can't meet train station timetable on acct of slaving in saeculum;
asciilifeform: next mp_en_viaje will 'sack' the 30% of piz that snsa owns, an' take smg (the item that functions on proper schedule, like train station, where the employees actually paid and dun slave in saeculum) to heathen isp;
asciilifeform: sooo mp_en_viaje doesn't like running sovok fish counter circa 1991, where there aint any fish. and per the charter, owns in effect 100% of controlling shares, so entirely his decision.
mp_en_viaje: they have little magazines dedicated to mutual stroking of the achieve-envy-fail-gloat cycle, it's all there.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:41 trinque: BingoBoingo: like "someday I'll post such a great pic on instagram I'll have the likes to buy a flat in miami" or what
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920660 << absofuckinlutely & literally. "stars", whole subculture, about half the girls that look like one could be bothered to fuck them sober.
asciilifeform: who gave the poison is even entirely other puzzler. ( 'mainstream' dogma btw is 'what poison!?' )
mp_en_viaje: the whole "bald guy with glasses used to give girls a taste of life, gave stalin some rat poison, thought he'd make phriends among some really weary people who just perceived him as a lunatic" washes with me.
asciilifeform: i was not there, with time machine.
asciilifeform: re poison, the legend goes that stalin fell on floor after drinking from cup, no medical man was admitted into his chamber until well cold an' stiff, and when finally admitted -- cup gone. or some such.
mp_en_viaje: there's a list.
mp_en_viaje: was beria i nfact the proponent of much more de-stalinisation than politburo was willing to take ?
mp_en_viaje: this position whereby "i discard all record for $cause" and then "what indicia do you have" is just obscurantism.
mp_en_viaje: and then you want me to tell you "what indicia". well wtf, answer some q's. the above, or "was stalin given rat poison" or "was beria popular or impopular in 1952" or SOMETHING
asciilifeform: admittedly this leaves very little written record to work with, the usurpers knew what they were doing, burned ~errything
mp_en_viaje: well, yes/no the above ?
asciilifeform: the exact amt of 'revisionism' where 'let's subtract what hrusch et al concocted, see what remains', sorta like we subtract what gavin & co adulterated bitcoin src with
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:33 trinque: but I guess it was permavacation to the outside, 80s partying
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920651 << it was born because all the latino chicks want to go there ; and from some observation of mine re the implicit capitol of a spanish empire that still exists in the minds if not on the map and so on.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:27 asciilifeform: ended up. but -- and oddly to the uninitiated ear.. man was -- soft. he had a month or so to behead hrusch et al, didn't behead.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920642 << this theory has some problems ; one among many being that stalin was actually preparing to behead beria.
mp_en_viaje: in other coincidentals : for many years now the agarwood's been exhausted in the wild ; by now this is the most valuable agricultural resource. >100mn dubaloos / ton.
mp_en_viaje: being a heir is such a kiss of death... they almost never fucking make it, terrible thing to be, an heir.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:26 trinque: why didn't he end up in the chair?
mp_en_viaje: it is actually a much better play to tell them it's not a big deal at all and let nature take its course. deal with the teenaged mothers and whatever else, cheaper than trying to recuperate 30yo "religious" mind.
mp_en_viaje: anwyay, to briefly revisit the "you found your cock, congrats" theme : people keep telling kids sex is a big deal, esp in the us. this unites it with freud-era vienna, where similarily. it's a losing move, getting kids convinced sex is a big deal ends up with too much garbage downstream, and especially very expensive garbage.
mp_en_viaje: which is fucking beautiful, cuz it's precisely why i even made a blog in the first place, save my fucking time.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920560 << incidentally, it's also very useful. "does your phone have interent ?" "yes" "give it here". then "what do you think this is ?" "looks like your slaves naked in the hotel" "ikr".
mp_en_viaje: just look what happened, will you ? 20 lines produced 500 and i'm barely into the next day.
mp_en_viaje: so at noon i was gonna feed this cute burlesque performer the girls picked up yest (long story), and i was hoping to get the nsa thing done in the meanwhile, but here i sit TWO HOURS LATER still going through the logs.
asciilifeform: 'and in fell his horse, and the whole army, and our three sons, who went to save'em...'
asciilifeform: little girl is sent to fetch water in the well, and comes back, 'mother , father , kikos , great man, has drowned!'
mp_en_viaje: (amusingly, socialism not only requires belicose fantasies to maintain themselves -- but also dies by them. miami-ism is fundamentally the mindeater of wartime, cowardice)
asciilifeform: there's a sov-era animation of it somewhere
mp_en_viaje: especially if there's no harem, even.
asciilifeform: the fella who sends away his harem and calmly swallows pistol is imho not thereby a neurotic. the neurotic is the one who dwells, and loses his mind long before loses body, on acct of dwelling
mp_en_viaje: and THIS is the neurosis, substantially, "that if she asks and i say no might as well tell her to find another one".
mp_en_viaje: your erection ratio is definitionally <1 while their cuntdrooling ratio is definitionally >1.
mp_en_viaje: consider the facts : 1. a permanent erection is a medical emergency. 2. every single female can, in fact, fuck permanently. 3. there's more than one of them as per the definition of the harem.
asciilifeform: next i guess we can play the scenario where friends invite me to go but cannot go, 'eh, arthritis'
mp_en_viaje: if harems ended when the male couldn't keep up with the hussies they'd be in the periodic table, with the late actinids. lifespan measured in picoseconds.
mp_en_viaje: he has the problems i ~could~ have, because i don't. see ? makes perfect sense, i ride the highs, he suffers the lows. like labour division.
asciilifeform: i suppose it'd have to be 'i am old and studying for the grave, find new master' in this scenario
mp_en_viaje: in fact, for best results she shouldn't be there, the physical slavegirl may prove distracting to the neurosis.
mp_en_viaje: is NOT NEEDED for this nightmare to be a nightmare. you can be worried that if you say x she may say y whether she;s there or not.
mp_en_viaje: see, the actual girl
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, indulge me. suppose you sit enthroned in your harem, and girly comes cuddling at your feet, like a cat. "master, please fuck me ?" now, your answer is gonna be no. this is a given, you simply can't keep up. and since it's a rational harem you're running there, she might inquire "but why not ?" and you say...
asciilifeform: all serious sufferers of 'acute christianosis of the cns' are flagellants. ride the highs, suffer the lows, like cocainists.
mp_en_viaje: "well, it's not the right moon phase" may be cheaper than "cuz i can't fucking get it up holy shit, how much is enough!"
asciilifeform: i suspect it aint the one he has, fwiw, but rather the one in that jewish tale where rabbi tells man 'bring into your house the cow, goat, sheep, then chase'em out sometimes and rejoice in their absence'
mp_en_viaje: but every married man eventually discovers this simple fact, that there she is, why aren't i fucking her.
mp_en_viaje: why now ? why not then ? how could i know in advance when ?
mp_en_viaje: not at all the problem. he wants to know WHY.
asciilifeform: i dun recall any hint of dpb suffering the... problem described here , i.e. 'awash in cunt, how do i schedule it'
mp_en_viaje: they're different inasmuch newton had the fucking sense to discover higher math first. but otherwise, men painted in corners are men painted in corners.
mp_en_viaje: people can, and since can therefore often do, paint themselves in corners, intellectually (which "intellectually" means totally. because what more is there). newton is fixing alchemy and dpb is fixing the erection-timeline-discontinuity.
mp_en_viaje: the problem he's approach is simply that... the erect penis is the only element of limited supply. there's an erection function, and it's discontinuous throughout the perception-of-time. wut do ? how to resolve this ? when yes and when no, how do you mesh the discontinous erection timeline with the (apparently continuous, wtf is sleep etc) consciousness timeline ?
mp_en_viaje: to understand why not, gotta understand the problem he's approaching. then it's obvious.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:16 trinque: danielpbarron: ftr your fixation when fucking is allowed and when it's the naughty is the saddest thing I've ever seen.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920632 << you're eliding the problem though. lookit : my solution of "cunt's always on, fucking's whenever blablabla" isn't substantively better. it's different, yes, it's a helluva more fun, sure, it's overwhelmingly more productive, of course, but it is still not much of a solution, and certainly not any better.
mp_en_viaje: by then it's too late.
mp_en_viaje: olutionaries, and for bonus points it oft happens (eventually) in the head of one of the small children there present.
mp_en_viaje: the problem with revolutionaries is that they're driven by want, not by possibility. leaving aside how what they want isn't generally what they need (as they manage to somehow discover what they need or else don't get mentioned by name, the set remembered by history is thereby selected for this trait), by the time someone figures out what the fuck it was they were doing... it generally happens at the orchestra&gunsalute funeral of one of them rev
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:23 trinque: asciilifeform: why is it that revolutionaries must break the cycle of succession, rather than simply replace the wheel?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920635 << if they're worth the name, they break ~the structure of meaning~. then they don't manage to fix the breakage in time.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 00:08 asciilifeform: incidentally i agree with their pov where 'do you think anything stands 4evah, idiot? all must die, men, kingdoms, worlds'.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920627 << the permanence bullshit was uninteresting at all points. the important part is to make it fucking good while it lasts, which is why hitler, napoleon etc are way the fuck better candidates for "won at life" than whatever tedious episcopalian, boring cripple, wanna-be black man or w/e the shit the us keeps pulling out of its asshole.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:29 asciilifeform recalls burial of grandfather, with orchestra, rifle salute, etc. and vague notion that various 'changes' all about are indeed connected with the disappearance of that gen
mp_en_viaje: (you know the joke, with "we tied him on balcony" ?)
mp_en_viaje: sovok didn't get cancer from the people trying to resuscitate it somehow, so at least it lives long enough the pension comes one more time
asciilifeform: sovok in the 'rockets & supercomps' sense was born, lived, and died with ~one~ particular physical generation of men