asciilifeform: could've sworn this was in the logz
mircea_popescu: when we reimplement rsa plox : a) either p length odd and q length even or vice-versa ; b) neither within 1 of a lattice power
a111: Logged on 2015-05-24 14:45 Apocalyptic: "there's no guarantee p and q have the same bitsize is there ?" // I think there is, a couple of lines above it generates them both with nbits/2 bits, so I would say yes, unless there is a bug in "generate_secret_prime", because this function specifically sets the two high bits to 1
mircea_popescu: more practical would be to force the code to make a pile of say 64 byte keys and sieve them.
mircea_popescu: yes but no. for one thign you don't do lattice search iirc ? for the other, the keys we're working on are too large.
mircea_popescu: one obviously hopes that gpg did. but then again the brutal teacher that is experience shows it's wiser to suspect everyone merely hoped someone else did it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw re the fermat discussion, i wonder if anyone ever did a proper review of rsa code for lattice and fermat-closeness weakness in p,q generation.
nosuchlabswww: Phuctor Finds Seven Keys Produced With Null RNG, And Other Curiosities
mircea_popescu: well the ecc justification is "shorter keys", other than a bunch of "new! better!" crapola.
asciilifeform: fabio__: understand, also, that someone who offers you a more complicated (i.e. more moving parts) cryptosystem without ~justification~, is attempting to compromise your security, no less than if he were stalking in your garden under the cover of night bristling with cameras and antennae
mircea_popescu: always and everywhere in engineering, this is the case.
asciilifeform: ~adopting~ is another matter.
mircea_popescu: but "the new better replacement for copper pipe" is not worth contemplating today like it wasn't worth contemplating in 516 ad.
mircea_popescu: you mean, "alternatives for rsa are not worth contemplating" ? sure, they are, much like anything's worth contemplating. it's educative if nothing else.
fabio__: so in your mind, new comers are not worth considering RSA unless they are equivalent in complexity or simpler. and until RSA is broken no need to migrate? <-- is this fair?
mircea_popescu: if someone breaks rsa you have all sorts of other problems to contend with.
mircea_popescu: fabio__ rsa is not breakable in the "shit someone broke openssl" sense you seem to be thinking of.
fabio__: so in your mind, new comers are not worth considering RSA unless they are equivalent in complexity or simpler. and until RSA is broken no need to migrate?
asciilifeform: there is also this.
asciilifeform: in the elementary sense of 'number of ops required to solve avg case'
mircea_popescu: last the topic was took up it came out that no, it's absolutely not.
asciilifeform: fabio__: what kind of details are you interested in ? there is no reduction-to-complexity-class proof of hardness for either cryptosystem.
fabio__: you did, but I'm fighting through the snark to ask for more details ;)
mircea_popescu: nosuchlabswww the chicks are hotter now.
mircea_popescu: fabio__ rsa has the advantage that it's the simpler solution. i thought i said this before.
nosuchlabswww: Not really. Just read about phuctor and the square rsa keys and shit.
asciilifeform: nosuchlabswww: lemme guess, you clicked 'contact' link on the www. presumably you have something to say ?
asciilifeform: and understand the limitations.
asciilifeform: fabio__: the only cryptosystem for which any rigorous analysis exists is vernam (otp).
fabio__: by the time they have made it there they have undergone enough analysis to be robust enough to use
asciilifeform: there is not such a thing as 'we used for x years and no reported problem.' quite conceivably the correct yamamoto has simply not yet flown.
asciilifeform: so then.
asciilifeform: (looked at the player's 'cards')
asciilifeform: in a crypto break, you, your family, the onlookers, everyone you give half a shit about - can be corpses, for 25 years, and ~not know~
asciilifeform: fabio__: it is helpful to understand that cryptographic breaks are quite unlike ANY other type of engineering failure.
fabio__: well, thanks for talking the time to answer my questions
asciilifeform: *on the
asciilifeform: the burden of proof is one the folks proposing to replace a simple system with few moving parts (rsa) with a larger and gnarlier item
asciilifeform: well, for starters, i'd like a compelling reason to even ~entertain~ ecc in the first place.
mircea_popescu: unlike bob, nobody on a stick and sam altman own nothing, and have nothing to lose. they sleep in ~prison / airbnb as it is.
asciilifeform: i would like to buy ticket, to watch him stuffed into the paddy
mircea_popescu: bob would much rather sleep at home.
mircea_popescu: the exact same thing COULD happen to bob sauerberg. tomorrow.
asciilifeform: even the various so-called 'independent' 'security blogger' types won't touch phuctor
asciilifeform: the 'neverhappened' curtain is airtight
asciilifeform: ergo, the folks offering said 'equivalence' has same credibility as, e.g., 'herbal viagra' spammers
asciilifeform: or, for that matter, for ANY cryptosystem other than vernam.
asciilifeform: the claim of equivalence is wholly spurious because no difficulty proof of whatever kind exists for either system.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing simpler than rsa ; ecc certainly doesn't meet that qual.
asciilifeform: one of these bargains is that you cannot build a career as a university academic with 'use rsa, kthx, bye'
mircea_popescu: in general when dealing with snake oil, and cryptography currently is indistinguishable from such, is to take the simplest form.
mircea_popescu: fabio__ you don't specifically know whether and which curves may be surprisingly weak. community consensus can't fix this.
fabio__: and in reference to #2 the point of contention is equivalent strength with RSA for a given bitlength?
mircea_popescu: as far as i know the fellow's quite respectable.
BingoBoingo: WHo could tell over the noise, twas a voice vote!
mircea_popescu: oh, sorry, was there a consensus ?
BingoBoingo: BUT THEY LIStenED TO COMMUNITAH!?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, somehow they didn't miss out implementing utf, they just neglected to check their crypto code. great set of priorities there.
mircea_popescu: they support anything and everything but sound cryptography, proper rng etc.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> openssh is a scandalous piece of trojan work, on the other hand. << OpenSSL is, OpenSSH is collateral damage
fabio__: people are rolling it out, openssh has supported it since 2014 i think. one of the openssl devs was asking for code to merge
fabio__: ok, I didn't realise there was not a consensus.
mircea_popescu: the republic doesn't, nor does any lord that i know of, recommend using ecc in any serious capacity. that's the community. otherwise, if you wish to say "i trust djb and whatever he says i'll take" this is fine, but it's a matter of personal investment not "community" nonsense.
asciilifeform: fabio__: the cryptographic side of the question is two-pronged. there is a set of 1) questionable actors making 2) questionable claims (e.g., of equivalence of n-bit ecc with m-bit rsa, n<m) with zero public substantiation
mircea_popescu: ethereum forked by "agreement of the community", does the result satisfy your expectations, for instance ?
fabio__: So what does the nsl faq mean, are the obvious mathematical weaknesses the NIST curves or some other issue with ECC as compared to RSA?
fabio__: There has been quite a bit of noise about ECC NIST curves (nistp256, nistp384, nistp521) being tampered with by the NSA. I thought using ECC was all good if you don't use the NIST curves and instead use community approved curves like Curve25519 and Curve1174 by like DJB and friends, or other approved ones at https://safecurves.cr.yp.to/.
fabio__: "Part of their efforts is the push towards Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) to replace RSA, in spite of obvious mathematical weaknesses in this proposition.
fabio__: number one on the faq has a bit saying replacing RSA with ECC is not a good idea:
mircea_popescu: altogether a funny thing, especially in the sense that these idiots learned ~nothing in five centuries.
mircea_popescu: they were ~accidentally~ supplied to de witt in a pile of other documents. which resulted in some beheadings.
mircea_popescu: but they also drew up plans for overthrowing the republic's government, in a very muchly amusing color revolution (the future english king was to come from the house of Orange, you realise!)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile charles keep trying to make peaces with the republic, by offering vague nothings.
mircea_popescu: then they induced the bishop of munster, a sort of medieval thug, to invade the republic, under promise of "large subsidies". those subsidies never materialized, being promised by the broke-ass anglos as they were ; brandenburg moved in from the east and the naive turk uh i mean bishop of munster was forced to a rather disfavourable peace for his trouble / idiotic naivity.
mircea_popescu: but obviously the english ordered ships they couldn't possibly pay for and called this "a cash problem". to be resolved by privateers - except the dutch privateers were both better and more productive.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the curious amateur historian may be well served by a review of the 2nd anglo-dutch war. some underlined parts : the anglos were deeply overextended politically - their crummy country consisting of one single town and a bunch of retarded peasants ; while the republic had many more merchants, with lots more money. in practice this meant that the english could pay for one ship where the dutch could afford seven ;
mircea_popescu: also missing, the great american novel. as well as a dictionary of the french language.
asciilifeform: 'Despite a great deal of mathematical work in this field, there is still no general theory of cryptography, Blaze posited. He called this “one of the dirty secrets of cryptography.”'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i was speaking of the 'fromphuctor's.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform two points here being that a) the "global dragnet" is much more difficult to use than you imagine ; and much less productive, being more of a prestige item than a tool of any sort ; b) they're discussing a specific item. if i ask you how many stovetops you have in your house you wouldn't count the roof, notwithstanding the sun heating it is, energetically, more significant.
asciilifeform: do their cocks also work this way ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The daily hate?
asciilifeform: 'Not every wiretap request is granted. Only 313 federal wiretaps were installed in 2014, far fewer than the number requested, Landau pointed out. Each one costs the federal government about $41,000, most of which is spent on “minimization”—that is, someone to monitor the wiretap and assess its content.' << lulzy: the universal dragnet thing dun count, evidently, as 'wiretap'
mircea_popescu: btw : the muslims actually do the whole chain thing. point in case : "Nabil Received five Ijazas/certificate from several respected scholars in Egypt. He has an Ijaza with an authentic, short chain of 26 from him to our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings Be upon Him)."
asciilifeform: it dates to the days when dinosaurs walked, when reddit was ~readable
mircea_popescu: in other news whoa check out alf's reddit account.
asciilifeform: the mold in my old bathroom begged to differ
mircea_popescu: hence the appeal of derpy "proceedings"
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you, until and unless kid is actually visible in the world nobody can interact with him,
asciilifeform: 'hitler/sauron can go on doing his thing in his mother's basement, what do we care'
asciilifeform: the reading that suggests great inca is not sovereign over earth, fire, air and water, is never the preferred reading, no
mircea_popescu: somehow a plain reading is never within the purview of militant idiocy.
mircea_popescu: how about "if you lack the authority to detain people indefinitely THEREFORE you lack the authority to engage in any behaviour that may lead to it, including trying to prosecute this nonsense"
asciilifeform: 'Given the difficulty of opening a post-iOS 8 phone or a similarly protected device, investigators are now forced to turn to other methods. Kerr pointed to a case in the Third Circuit Court of Appeals of a former police officer allegedly dealing in child pornography who would not divulge his computer passcode; he is currently being detained with no clear end date. Kerr noted that it is quite possible for someone to withhold a passcod
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> incidentally BingoBoingo : it ~would~ be fair to say that the bitfinex failure as presented by bitfinex amounts exactly to a major failure of the dao as meagrely implemented in bitcoin. << Indeed, as presented
asciilifeform: ^ in case anyone ever had whatever doubt as to the meaning and purpose of multisigification of whatever sort.
asciilifeform: spoiler: in the massive turd, usg functionaries propose to rebrand ye olde key escrow as 'multisig' and mandate! 'k of n' !
asciilifeform: 'The Workshop on Encryption and Mechanisms for Authorized Government Access to Plaintext was convened on June 23-24, 2016, in Washington, D.C., under the auspices of the Computer Science and Telecommunications Board of the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. The workshop was sponsored by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). ... The meeting was open to the public.'
asciilifeform: ...[bunch of other sad folk snipped]'
asciilifeform: 'We wish to thank the following individuals for their review of these workshop proceedings:
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'Exploring Encryption and Potential Mechanisms for Authorized Government Access to Plaintext: Proceedings of a Workshop.' Anne Johnson, Emily Grumbling, and Jon Eisenberg, Rapporteurs. THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES PRESS 500 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 This activity was supported by the Office of the Director for National Intelligence, under Contract....
asciilifeform: '1. Take site offline and work on ensuring everything is secure. 2. communicate to users 3. contact chain analytic companies and authorities about the hack and trace the funds, look at ways to recover the funds. 4. Investigate exactly what happened to ensure that we're still not vulnerable. 5. Work on getting the site back up and running.'
shinohai: Buttstamp: "We would like to reassure all customers that Bitstamp's implementation of multisig is fundamentally different from the one at Bitfinex"
mircea_popescu: or maybe you're the uploader!!!1
asciilifeform: should've laid off the whiskey.
phf: it's ugh the Alaskan yellow bear
mircea_popescu: anyway, if my dungeon videos ever leak there's going to be a ~100mn or so new cases of apoplexy that year ?
mircea_popescu: and to add insult to injury they do all sort of complicated ceremonial futzing around some catered looking cake prior to singing HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
mircea_popescu: the woman i sat down to watch it with was ALL NUDE! who the fuck cares omfg the tamest stht ever
mircea_popescu: holy shit these idiots! ITS A TOPLESS WOMAN AT A POOL PARTY!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 19:24 asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4vu9qm/pgp_key_of_mahmood_khadeer_president_of_the << for further lulz.
ben_vulpes: so what actually happened with the multisig shits?
asciilifeform: every so often i wrestle with the pig, old habit.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what nobody on a stick's idea of anything is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i don't comprehend why you entertain the tards above and beyond "honey, close your eyes and think of the empire", but each his own i guess.
mircea_popescu: incidentally BingoBoingo : it ~would~ be fair to say that the bitfinex failure as presented by bitfinex amounts exactly to a major failure of the dao as meagrely implemented in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, there's wisdom in all things
mod6: "just imagine that these things don't exist. see, all better now!"
asciilifeform: else idiots may get to keep their coinz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell thestringpuller How 'bout that steem vs. ETC chart
shinohai: More lulz: "There were a number of security practices that were in place to make this the most secure, yet transparent way of securing funds and we used the company that prides itself and specializes in bitcoin storage. How these practices were bypassed, we're still investigating."
BingoBoingo: lulz http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities/#comment-65904
BingoBoingo: Forgot the forgettable but obligatory diff change piece
shinohai: Well they *were* in p2sh addresses
mircea_popescu: it's not unlikely hong kong announcing today someone hacked their geography made off with mainland china.
mircea_popescu: shinohai best remember to mention that these are the bitcoins they claimed to have but at never point throughout the run ever actually held.
phf: mircea_popescu: "рубить", "топор" has a very nice sound to it in russian, which is that of something crude, rough, but also to the point. can string a few of those together with a lot of breaks and pauses to get a feeling of "honest" crudeness or somesuch
BingoBoingo: related https://www.reddit.com/r/tardtales/comments/4p6tgb/rampagetard_hates_the_police/
shinohai: Oh wait that's the Director of Community and Product Development for Bitfinex.
mircea_popescu: hatchet in romanian, yeah. except there's also "om din topor" ie "man of the hatchet", which just means a crude fellow.
phf: he was really good at playing working class revolutionary, in the old tradition of "going native", just look at him https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3385/3635935907_817fa1e408.jpg. his whole style is that of мужицкий топор and he used his refined ear to play it very nicely, found it very surprising when the топор just kept chopping on its own
mircea_popescu: hey, if they can name a school/street/urinal a pushkin, what's to keep them from naming a gulag v maiakovski
mircea_popescu: these are imperial measures, not metric.
mircea_popescu: or even the recently discussed descartes.
mircea_popescu: tho the aquinas would prolly work better.
asciilifeform: and let's say i propose 'the aristotle' as a unit of tautological circularity.
mircea_popescu: you know, like measuring skin tone by the obama. what, he made melanin ?
mircea_popescu: and note that naming the tolkien for tolkien isn't blaming him for the gulag. merely recognising his intricacy in the civilisation-masquerading-as-a-culture that spawned him.
mircea_popescu: oh, i forgot in that enumeration : the tsyan, intelligence measure. named for the... militsyan
mircea_popescu: there's a quanta of energy, a token of friendship and a tolkien of usg.aspie h&d.
trinque: mircea_popescu │ ah sweet it puts the deed bundles in here now ? << sho nuff
mircea_popescu: and i'd expect he does it by the tolkien.
mircea_popescu: shinohai it's a toss-up whether it can't produce great stories because no ads or because being mean.
shinohai: The shitstain has spoken
mircea_popescu: ah sweet it puts the deed bundles in here now ?
deedbot: [Qntra] Yet Another Underwhelming Effort To Fork Bitcoin Unveiled - http://qntra.net/2016/08/yet-another-underwhelming-effort-to-fork-bitcoin-unveiled/
asciilifeform: when the first keys popped.
mircea_popescu: i'm confused. did they just do this, ie, now ?
mircea_popescu: there are no tickers
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513170 << from what i hear that's more of a curse in the us of a.
ben_vulpes: "in my bike bag. don't forget to antibiotic before applying the glue."
ben_vulpes: two weeks later, cuts herself open on something else, "hey where's the superglue?"
mircea_popescu: you glued her baby back together ?
ben_vulpes: child never noticed. lady, though, did rather quickly, once the bright red started getting on rugs and the baby.
mircea_popescu: not so foolishly then
trinque checks to see if I stopped the thing when working with mod6
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: semi-relatedly, kiddo sliced his hands open on the radiator fins of an airconditioner i had lying foolishly within reach
trinque: BingoBoingo: not the prefered nomenclature!
asciilifeform: there ought to be a mod that turns the thing open when you press it just-so and turns into a stealthy weapon.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i spent 5min prying loose the battery (they glued it) and another 5 wiping off the blood.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: for bonus gross, the entire inside of the metal cup that comprises the body of the pnoje, is razor-sharp, literally you will not notice as it opens all of your fingers at once
privkeytones: I can only reach it intermittently for some reason, seems the DNS address cannot be found..
mircea_popescu: and there was a quarter mile traffic jam caused by... senor flocop parking.
asciilifeform: aha. then buy some proper iron
boolcrap: i hope to actually dig up something amazing from the garden
boolcrap: im actually going to recover it today when i install my new motherboard
asciilifeform: boolcrap: didja bury your pgp key in the garden and planted apple tree on top, or wat
asciilifeform: ^ pete_dushenski, phf, other connoisseurs ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4vu9qm/pgp_key_of_mahmood_khadeer_president_of_the << for further lulz.
diana_coman: what can I say: it wouldn't even be the first time I saw someone as the best version they could be rather than what they actually really were
diana_coman: phf, in that case basically mircea_popescu has a point anyway and there isn't anywhere to go otherwise; I read it to mean what I said above (so no, not the best etc) - maybe I was just so tolerant as to miss the bullshit entirely
phf: i think that if you approach jrrt as literature and worse start applying literary analysis to it, then mircea_popescu wins in the first round. if you start looking for life lessons and values in jrrt books it's a lot of really dodgy shit
deedbot: [Qntra] Phuctor Finds Seven Keys Produced With Null RNG, And Other Curiosities - http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities/
phf: diana_coman: perfectly fit for proper and good life as defined by tolkien, somehow magically fit for all the necessary tasks of the quest. even fighting, like pippin and merry after they are split from fellowship. they are literally only unfit for things that are bad, and even there frodo eventually at the last moment gets corrupted, Let That Be A Warning To You All
diana_coman: uhm, what, the dwarfs are now bad in there? (I am all open to seeing this in any other way - I did not grow up with it or something of the kind - but I can't say I see this in there at all)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities/ << now do diff to your thing for next time.
thestringpuller: oh man i love seeing the qntra diversity
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hm, as far as I recall they are not great fighters at all for one thing
BingoBoingo: Well, they need to door to door things that make sense sold that way like gutters.
mircea_popescu: the only reason they're not the best vacuum cleaner door to door salesmen is that selling vacuum cleaners door to door isn't all that great.
mircea_popescu: like what good and worthy task aren't they fit for ?
mircea_popescu: and no, you can't have a story of arbitrary length ; anything longer than a novel becomes a sludge of separate stories whether you want to or not.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman finer, i will wager, than anything to be found in the 50k lop (lines of pablum) here under consideration.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman take the story of the whore who wanted to fuck the patriarch. it's a fine story.
phf: if jrrt was just saying "happy in their own world", there probably wouldn't be a story. he makes a point that shire values are best values all throughout the books. gandalf does all kinds of scheming in order to ensure that it's hobbits specifically that participate in the quests, rather than random guy from the street, and it's the kind of values jerome k jerome was making fun of that somehow make hobbits particularly fit for task
mircea_popescu: yes fans. every generation has its thing, orwell tells the story of their infatuation with "a shrophsire lad" (which, for maximal lulz, is actually referenced in, say, a room with a view - old hag actually attempts to discuss florence in terms of a sort of shropshire.)
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> really, byzantine fiction (currently known as the vulgate) is much better. but i don't think much more of the people who regard the bible as "great writing" than of the tolkien fans. <- fans, lol; out of curiosity: an example as to "much better"?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "they sunk instead of swam" << swimming. or alternatively, "instead of swan" i guess.
asciilifeform: and also why does submitting to archive.is only work via the 'not found, submit' link in search results box...?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does archive.is shot of bitfines come out blank o.O
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is how it works, now it can be theirs, so.
asciilifeform: aaaand guess what, after they lowered into pederasty, and then murdered, ian of debian, we get: https://bits.debian.org/2016/08/debian-and-tor-services-available-as-onion-services.html
deedbot: [Qntra] Coinbase Engineering Director Jokes That Roger VERified Their Coins Are Safe - http://qntra.net/2016/08/coinbase-engineering-director-jokes-that-roger-verified-their-coins-are-safe/
mircea_popescu: really, byzantine fiction (currently known as the vulgate) is much better. but i don't think much more of the people who regard the bible as "great writing" than of the tolkien fans.
BingoBoingo: Only one (WOT:nonperson) in cast of latest Qntra, guess who! http://qntra.net/2016/08/coinbase-engineering-director-jokes-that-roger-verified-their-coins-are-safe/
asciilifeform: (even tried to get into the army but rejected on account of age)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aha, recall, he wrote in the shadow of german bombers.
diana_coman: I find it actually quite interesting that it's perceived as saying "britain the isolated , small, insignifiant by now island actually matters/is mighty/hero/whatevs" when I read it quite the opposite: as long as they are happy in their own world, they don't matter/contribute nothing/and if they are not interested in the world, the world at some point will be interested in them - and with a big stick at that
asciilifeform: i kept waiting for somebody to bring up the luddism
diana_coman: as to length that indeed I can agree it is a big fault of tolkien - at times he rambles because apparently he's just too much in love with the landscape basically
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 18:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513000 << and that is the point there. greatness in smallness, and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512876 and all that jazz. perhaps best explained by monty python : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513051 - it seems to me that you are taking what I said to mean what you meant; called to do something and responsible in some way does not mean everybody is the same/has same effect or some other such nonsense; the peasant in the hut won't save the world no matter what they do, but this doesn't mean they should do nothing/whatever; similarly, the same peasant may not have "done bad" but this
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ima write the butfinex thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the next prime following' prolly ought to be 'the first prime following' -- otherwise we get 'run from me to the next oak tree'
asciilifeform: 'As we account for individualized customer losses, we may need to settle open margin positions, associated financing, and/or collateral affected by the breach....'
asciilifeform: r environment, bitfinex.com will be taken down and the maintenance page will be left up. The theft is being reported to — and we are co-operating with — law enforcement.'
asciilifeform: 'Today we discovered a security breach that requires us to halt all trading on Bitfinex, as well as halt all digital token deposits to and withdrawals from Bitfinex. We are investigating the breach to determine what happened, but we know that some of our users have had their bitcoins stolen. We are undertaking a review to determine which users have been affected by the breach. While we conduct this initial investigation and secure ou
asciilifeform: feel free to trim the offal.
mircea_popescu: hanbot i was referencing this with the baudelaire and whore story. but then again... absolutely nobody would have guessed as much, i figure, amirite.
mircea_popescu: this might be the first html document that starts with a </style> tag.
mircea_popescu: scandalous how many randos die the same day as you.
mircea_popescu: huxley said the same thing. to his misfortune, he chose to die the day they killed kennedy, and so...
mircea_popescu: the thing flew "look, this thing almost like in carroll is in tolkien" "yes but here's deluged in crap" "oh, well this guy deluges things in crap" "that he does or that he doesn't has no bearing on crap and deluging."
mircea_popescu: we're talking of tolkien and hgis masteries. that he THINKS it's ok to disregard the brevity rule does not make it go away.
mircea_popescu: hanbot why would you place ~it in the actual work~ when it's a response to a meta-discussion you started with " i don't think tolkien had much mastery of economy of words" ?
hanbot: yeah, i'm not sure i can specifically place this unapplication of rules, emplacement of britannia ruling the seas in the actual work
mircea_popescu: but object rather than meta-object, neh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is still punching this ~wholly imaginary bag, instead of the actual jrrt
mircea_popescu: it's the fundamental core of all bad literature, "what if the rules didn't apply". good literature is the work of "what if the rules applied differently", never a case of "let's all pretend britannia rules the seas."
mircea_popescu: which is why italian realism IS realism ; whereas ingsoc realism is just another sovietism, ie nonsense.
mircea_popescu: but that's light, the humour of a well fed mob. you recall the scene of the poor italian child with a bedridden mother and numerous siblings living in a hole, jumping to his death ? much more on point.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 17:20 diana_coman: I'll add only the message that considered to be "what Tolkien had to say" (even though he did it through "not-real-life universe") namely that all and everyone (yeah, the ordinary and no, they are not made anything by gandalf quite pointedly not made anything by him) is in some way responsible /called to do something when shit hits the fan; that is all I guess
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513000 << and that is the point there. greatness in smallness, and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512876 and all that jazz. perhaps best explained by monty python : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
mircea_popescu: but, a blog differs from "a body of literary work" in this sense, that it's much more extensive. a blog is "all the literature i could write", a middle ground between "i did" and "i could have".
mircea_popescu: one of the shortest trilema articles, and tbh getting tedious about midway.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, faggotry is not merely sexuality, ie, homosexuality. it is also a certain sort of ineptitude. the man who stutters when addressing a woman is not merely short of the simple "strip" indication ; but actually a faggot by this measure.)