mircea_popescu: i can buy by the kg if need be, and i'd like to find a way to classify assym cyphers meaningfully. say a number.
mircea_popescu: while there's not a single example of "high cns function helped by chemical", you can take ps hoffman as a fine example of "idiot enhanced himself"
asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the latter thing
mircea_popescu: i dunno whence "the devil" comes from, but that aisde, the point was that speedballing does work, if with miserable side effects ; whereas smartrophine or w/e the shit is hoped to work, by a certain demographic.
asciilifeform: nor will either transform pig into man
asciilifeform: tape speed knob did not make the beatles, nor dope made erdos.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is reading a 'what made them' into asciilifeform's 'dope is a tool like any other, not a devil'
asciilifeform: this here, i suspect, is the dispute
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it's what made them.
asciilifeform: the beatles also sped up (and slowed down) tape.
mircea_popescu: we've moved from "i'll make this music better by increasing output volume" heavy metal fan approach to "i'll make this music better by speeding up the tape". welcome to the rap game yo!
mircea_popescu: this regulates firing. not glucose usage on one end ; not rational activity on the other.
asciilifeform: where is that fella when we have the thread as if just for him !
mircea_popescu: ~the only reason the complicated glucose/lipid interface even exists in the liver is that muscle can't protect itself from brain
asciilifeform: so in fact the thing does come with adjustment knob.
asciilifeform: cns comes with own adrenergic 'gas pedal', which most (but interesting, not ALL) of the dopes rely on.
asciilifeform: the pharmacology of actual dopes is interesting subj, which i will guess mircea_popescu is quite familiar with
mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : there's no mechanism to downregulate brain consumption of glucose, outside of the natural.
asciilifeform: an engineering tradeoff, like any other.
mircea_popescu: you seriously imagine it's a matter of "if i just increased the voltage of the south bus, i'd have twice as much ram" ? what is this, 15yo-overclockers-anonymous ?
asciilifeform: 'idiot body thinks that it should conserve the glucose, but i have this 7-dimensional optimization problem that won't solve itself so shuddthefuckup'
mircea_popescu: "the performance of my inflamatory cascade has been enhanced. asa result i am not going to die from this beesting"
mircea_popescu: we weren't discussing it in the general context. fucking obviously doping works at some point, hence inflamation supression.
mircea_popescu: stop being a tightass. speedballing is the ~only performance doping actually shown to work.
mircea_popescu: it's not "they have the energy", it's "they actually care" + "they have the recuperative power".
mircea_popescu: it's not a kind of "genetic engineering" of the "magical" kind seen in ~cartoons, "this spider touched radioactive superglue at the same time as this janitor"
asciilifeform: they have energy.
asciilifeform: 15 y.o. don't performance-dope either
mircea_popescu: it's a kind of dentistry - children don't need it, they got milk teeth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you deeply misunderstand this technological item, the silicone tits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it was "stop being the fucking idiot who thinks he's going to '''improve''' a series car in his fucking garage with a rusty old nail and a blowtorch".
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of pretty blonde girls that grow double d tits their 15th year : the kind to whose the tits are a boon ; and the kind to whose the tits are a curse.
asciilifeform: but - to move up the stack - mircea_popescu's comment re dopes was, in effect, 'shuddup peon and be content with what nature gave you' wasn't it ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise that was the angle.
mircea_popescu: this is a purely sexual matter. yes, the guy was hot as all fuck.
asciilifeform: more in the 'soldiers, i demand your lives, and you will give them to me!' (tm) (r) sense
asciilifeform: 'napoleon' is typically shorthand for 'effective napoleon', unless the asylum is explicitly specified, neh ?
mircea_popescu: im sure the first few "buy viagra" emails were also widely read.
mircea_popescu: the ~only reason they didn't fill the asylums at that time has to do with the relative naivite of spamfilters.
asciilifeform: on account of their one-time over-representation in asylums
asciilifeform: what, laser beam from the heavens has to illuminate you before you can finally napoleon ?
asciilifeform: (and no anybody else worth the mention)
mircea_popescu: and generally stop with the fucking titulature ; between the dizzy cow who thinks herself "an expert on geopolitics" for having a geopolitics degree from geopolitics university and alf thinking himself a "jet fighter" for reason of the rule of cool - no difference.
asciilifeform: if everybody followed this dictum, there'd be no napoleon at all.
mircea_popescu: so then, both the safe and the ethically required position is "i guess i aren't, let me see the best i can do"
asciilifeform: ~the man~ doesn't distinguish, and if he tries, and is laughably off target, he ends in asylum and issued a bicorn
PeterL: yes, but the warrant is worth ~same executed or unexecuted. << If the company pays dividends, wouldn't it be worth more when executed?
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the MUCH HARDER q of how'd you distinguish self.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's entirely unclear how you'd go about distinguishing a jet fighter from an airliner when they're both bipedal lifeforms.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think of afterburners on jet fighter. there are no afterburners on boeing liner. for good reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tis a lot easier to measure the engine capacity than the metaphisicity. by definition of latter.
thestringpuller: Whereas stock bonus in corporate means "WOuld you like to voluntarily keep your slave contract going for another few years? If you do there is this cheese waiting for you at the end of the maze. The cheeze MAAAY spoil in the meantime cause the leadership had a lobotomy in the 90's but it's okay."
mircea_popescu: yes, but the warrant is worth ~same executed or unexecuted.
thestringpuller: S.MG stock warrants act exactly as stock bonuses in "corporate" should work, you add value to the company. company profits. Execute warrant. Profit.
mircea_popescu: well, more like irl this is 99% a tax consideration. nobody's dodging the republic's tax anyway, so not much difference.
PeterL: in the warrents table
shinohai: that is the number i wanted
PeterL: shinohai aha, I found the 8`999.6605 btc, that is the total value that would be raised by S.MG if all outstanding warrents were executed, not the amount previously raised
mircea_popescu: also, the same fucking thing with the "bright" young "finance" minds (which, btw asciilifeform , is the deep reason i dun think much of "performance enhancing" - these idiots, not those idiots) : yes the job is very... metaphysical, in the end. yes some accomplished metaphysicians use various "performance enhancers", ever since the day they were priests and shamans.
thestringpuller: this reminds me of the article of the type of game that hand holds you to the end. lack of difficult == lack of accomplishment
mircea_popescu: personally, i blame the english language, which is why all the various knocks it got.
thestringpuller: the trophy generation huh? here is a reward for participating even if you sucked.
mircea_popescu: why it's evidently a bad idea here but not even verbalized as a bad idea there is entirely beyond comprehension.
mircea_popescu: if, quia absurdum, i were to take a 13 yo and call her a slave and a slut, and ordered everyone in the harem to be deferential to her majestic slavish sluttery, the girls would do it, but the 13 yo STILL wouldn't feel accomplished, or be happy, or anything. on the contrary, it'd poison her life.
thestringpuller: The interesting thing, is the profound games the arise out of the sludge. While the children try to make toys and pass them off as "real things", (when it's just glue and twigs stuck together purporting to be a doll). For instance the Beginner's Guide puts you in the role of having that mentality. This "I want recognition for nothing. Call me CEO, bitch. Cause Zuckerberg did it."
mircea_popescu: THIS is the deep reason so many black kids get shot, incidentally : that it's not fashionable to be a "ceo", it's fashionable to be a "gangsta". and the idiots get shot. humongo boon for the black community, and ~the only reason they don't suck as bad as whitey.
mircea_popescu: the only thing i regret is that they're not pretending to be you know, boxers. drug lords.
mircea_popescu: then "life is hard". well yes, if the turtle didn't pretend to be an eagle it wouldn't have all the bumps on the carpace from all the rocks it hit on its many forced descents.
mircea_popescu: the problem is, nobody wants to intern, everyone wants to pretend equality to their betters, then "oh it's hard". fucking hell, how would it be easy, you're a child that's given himself adult responsibilities which precluded you from becoming an adult in time. hurr durr, stop being stupid.
thestringpuller: if you ever want to torture yourself, watch Indie Game the Movie and watch the beta male Phil Fish literally cry about how difficult making a game is and wants to give up.
mircea_popescu: hey, people are lazy and stupid. there's a very good explanation why they don't do anything intelligent. for one thing, it requires work.
thestringpuller: re: shinohai I don't think many bitcoin games exist other than eulora and dragon's tale. i don't see why more secondlife-like game companies don't get on board. since USG killed second life by regulating linden dollars.
deedbot: [Qntra] Hacked Exchange Other Than Bitfinex Also Plans Reopening - http://qntra.net/2016/08/hacked-exchange-other-than-bitfinex-also-plans-reopening/
mircea_popescu: like at some point she was doing some shit with 3 friends where they kept lifting something or the other in order.
mircea_popescu: they had some interesting teamwork items that i intend to lift.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea her and I had some good convo's about ATITD it's a great game. Not many people have played it, but the crafting system was something really intense for the time period.
mircea_popescu: yeah, at least that was you know, a proper thing. there's a difference between drawing a cartoon mouse and copy/pasting mickey.
thestringpuller: it's just a digital casino but has the same "feel" as ATITD
thestringpuller: The guys who did A Tale in the Desert did a game. (A tale in the desert was a partial inspiration for chetty iirc)
PeterL: mircea_popescu https://www.anony.ws/image/NncR the table on your page gets truncated in my browser (chrome)
shinohai: it's another Erik Voorhees venture, did you expect anything different ?
mircea_popescu: that's not a business, the moment they make a dime they get sued and what are they gonna do ? hire an assassin ?
thestringpuller: Bitcrystals literally copied MTG-online (ironic), and replaced the credit system in MTG with BitCrystals.
mircea_popescu: in any case what's the rush, if it pays now or later ; as long as it's not paid dividends it doesn't much make a diff.
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear it's profitable.
shinohai: i was trying to generalize. there are a lot of other places id have to look to do an objective gaming piece
thestringpuller: they're two different concepts.
mircea_popescu: or at leas afk, out of all the "corporate officers" in their own mind and "cummulative years of expertise" echo'd by php scripts on websites, nobody has actually found it within their power to say anything intelligent on the topic lo these many years.
mircea_popescu: there's also some stock warrants outstanding, which is a matter that is still open wrt valuations in btc.
PeterL: "S.MG has a total of 88`096`605 authorised shares outstanding. The shareholder equity per share implied value is thus 0.00009958 BTC."
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that utf thumbsup
shinohai: Now I am grateful for the prodding Sr. Popescu.
thestringpuller: oh look the drinking record has been updated
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 20:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/08/04/why-you-should-have-been-reading-and-writing-qntra-this-whole-time/
jurov: but whole thing is still the graphical client married to crystalspace
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean they don't autolock"
mircea_popescu: you know the bot totally spoiled me in the sense that i'd go with sticks, and find ords and then totally forget to lock them
mircea_popescu: o yeah i got a dozen the past ~3 days.
mircea_popescu: ah was it ? ok then
ben_vulpes: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f2/dc/c2/f2dcc2b9360dc2b30b1d542c131e79e5.jpg << and also holy crap i want one of these
ben_vulpes: bits and pieces look like they might be fun to be proximate to for an hour or two
mircea_popescu: brasilia the capital of brasil you mean ?
ben_vulpes: oh hey the bridge is pretty cool though
ben_vulpes: the photos i've seen of brasilia mostly look tacky as hell, is it any better in person?
mircea_popescu: in other totally-not-tmsr-related news, https://static.adzerk.net/Advertisers/e1b0517082e54a8aa734356cf93f5183.png
ben_vulpes: woof yeah that looks like it might work in theory
ben_vulpes: can one detatch from an x11 display and then later reconnect to it, a la tmux?
mircea_popescu: i guess someone'll have to bite teh bullet and make the thing.
ben_vulpes helps shinohai with the log line recency citation criteria binary search project
mod6: i got it working. maybe you tell it which size you're willing to build on the fly...
mod6: what's the deal with 'size'? i put in 'small' seems to be happy. *shrug*
mod6: thinking back to the pre-bot days, it is quite remarkable to let it just run and it does everything for you.
mircea_popescu: i had been crafting for many months, but now esp with the new mining bot expansions i think ima do some serious mining.
mircea_popescu: remarkables being in the millions of ecu range, this is who knows, possibly close to a btc.
mircea_popescu: mod6 curious who gets the next pop, too hehe
hanbot: <mod6> speaking of which; wanna help the foundation test V99994 of the build script? let me know. << soitenly, will slip it into the weekend
mircea_popescu: the client IS pretty gnarly. but as the bot did most of the interfacing work already, it's not THAt bad.
mircea_popescu: for instance right now, i actually used the bot to take me to the mining spot, because it does the table trick
mod6: the gfx part is certainly part of the exp.; however, if one was to do a lot of bot work, txt would suit just fine.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the foxybot could prolly be expanded into an actual text client. it has methods to interact with the world mostly written.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah there was some talk of making a text client. maybe jurov was considering it iirc ? anyway, eventually one'll definitely exist.
BingoBoingo: Cool, it is something someone other than myself has to bake.
mircea_popescu: shinohai ah that's your thing then, no gfx card. so pick up something for 20 bux, it'll carry.
adlai thought asciilifeform preferred to play with toys & pets in the physical realm!
adlai: it's been mentioned although nobody but me expressed any interest; and i'd want familiarity with the regular client first, anyways
mod6: if someone where so inclined, i bet there could be a text-only eulora client created.
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mod6: its a bunch of fun. and there's jerbs to be had (as some players will hire you) and/or money to be made.
mircea_popescu: i fucking love mining with the new foxybot
mod6: shinohai: yup. you really already passed the thing. feel free to re-test at-will, also, to help others who may need it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: keep up the good work, gentlemen
mod6: then im gonna put african on it and let it just foxy bot just harvest 24/7
mod6: im gonna get myself a new box one of these days.
mod6: mircea_popescu sings "i did it one step at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime... i got the only one there is around" << lol, great song.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they got lenstra.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wanna bet they'll be right back trying to trade while insolvent, shtylman style ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other thinspiration news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4nyju8N1e1rv3z86o1_250.gif
shinohai: they probably have a "slack"
BingoBoingo: And I left, now there are 3
BingoBoingo: The list online in their ADVERTISED freenode channel at the moment is... myself, hostfat, spunky, and luke-jr
BingoBoingo: "btcfork.consider.it" << AHA Toomim is in on the latest fork noise!
asciilifeform: also phuctor, even in the 2013 earliest version, was never limited to 'small factors' wtf.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-05 00:40 mircea_popescu: "Testing RSA keys after generation is a fool's quest. This is a nice thing to do to detect some poor implementations, not poor keys. Moreover, it detects only certain classes of poor keys (specifically, those with small factors). It does not detect poorly seeded RNG used in an otherwise correct RSA private key generation." << god i love reading year-old webwisdom/community consensusi.
mircea_popescu: "Testing RSA keys after generation is a fool's quest. This is a nice thing to do to detect some poor implementations, not poor keys. Moreover, it detects only certain classes of poor keys (specifically, those with small factors). It does not detect poorly seeded RNG used in an otherwise correct RSA private key generation." << god i love reading year-old webwisdom/community consensusi.
ben_vulpes off for the evening
ben_vulpes: shinohai: can ye share the sources?
mircea_popescu: a right, that's prolly the right reference, since shinohai was working on it.
ben_vulpes: phf: did you ever release the original sources to which your mp-wp patches apply? i scanned a few days of logs and didn't see anything other than the wp-content and a few patches.
mircea_popescu: he announces it that same day/early the next
mircea_popescu: wouldn't have helped you anyway ; it was keyed to the people who asked.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 19:37 mircea_popescu: phf http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wp-mptargz.gpg << it's all there ; run a grep over the files for "fill your own" to see what you need to add ; you'll also need a theme (goes in /wp-content ) and obviously a mysql db.
mircea_popescu: is this re ethereum ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh btw, discussion in #eulora reminded me : peano, a very respectable LITERATE mathematician, did in fact chase cantor's counterintuitve result, did in fact find a unit interval to unit space mapping, DID in fact construct a fucking tile to decorate his house, but did NOT put any fucking drawings in his work explaining how to make a non-zone-differentiable function.
BingoBoingo: Re: tolkien http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2016/08/04/stephen_colbert_fields_questions_about_lord_of_the_rings_is_huge_tolkien.html
mircea_popescu: damn they slow.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news, qntra is apparently big in japan : http://megalodon.jp/2016-0803-2149-34/qntra.net/2016/08/bitfinex-breaks-fiat-exchange-that-never-had-anything-to-do-with-bitcoin-finally-goes-away/ << win
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: say hi to the kako for me << Common divorce phenomenon. Parents generally resent the children whose affections continue to follow the other parent.
mircea_popescu: except the idiots blurred out her eyes, making the whole thing look INCREDIBLYT dirty.
mircea_popescu: if they weren't on efnet i might even have dropped in for a hi.
mircea_popescu: in other possibly of vague interest news http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Who_We_Are
asciilifeform: i got 'lucky' with the ad rotator
mircea_popescu: the what now ?!
mircea_popescu: o wait, apparently it's actually yet another archiver.
mircea_popescu: there's a model on trilema.
mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra is apparently big in japan : http://megalodon.jp/2016-0803-2149-34/qntra.net/2016/08/bitfinex-breaks-fiat-exchange-that-never-had-anything-to-do-with-bitcoin-finally-goes-away/
mats: i did also notice he's a big fan of the 'qntra is slashdot repost' line
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: say hi to the kako for me
BingoBoingo: The plug hurt! http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/08/04/why-you-should-have-been-reading-and-writing-qntra-this-whole-time/#comment-112507
asciilifeform: if the slugs are turning up thinner, it is not apparent to my naked eye.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the salt clearly burns.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 17:05 asciilifeform: 'We are building an anonymous, taxable payment system using modern cryptography. Customers will use traditional money transfers to send money to a digital Exchange and in return receive (anonymized) digital cash. Customers can use this digital cash to anonymously pay Merchants. Merchants can redeem the digital cash for traditional money at the digital Exchange. As Merchants are not anonymous, they can be taxed, enabling income or sal
asciilifeform: reading old logz, linked earlier, turned up another 'flycheck' -- 'gnu taler'
asciilifeform: there was, and prolly still is, a bunch of ru-speaking, largely 18th c. hussar-flavoured variant of it
BingoBoingo: Other lol http://qntra.net/2016/08/yet-another-underwhelming-effort-to-fork-bitcoin-unveiled/#comment-66109
shinohai: I did it for the lulz.
BingoBoingo: welcome to the internet full of shit
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "(Visited 38 times, 1 visits today)" holy shit that's a sad fate for an otherwise entertainingly (if superficially) penned piece.
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] Why You Should Have Been Reading And Writing Qntra This Whole Time - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/08/04/why-you-should-have-been-reading-and-writing-qntra-this-whole-time/
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/08/04/why-you-should-have-been-reading-and-writing-qntra-this-whole-time/
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 15:26 asciilifeform: observe how nobody's about to legalize the performance dopes.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477470 << let's leave the last thread here as cheap alternative to redoing...
asciilifeform: dun change the fact.
asciilifeform: i get it, mircea_popescu is considerably more familiar with the 'rot yer body, rot yer mind', 'clean the bath 1,001 times' sort of dope user.
asciilifeform: i am satisfied, for instance, that the boxing ring - does.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you take enough to notice you thereby took enough to affect memory!
mircea_popescu: "ItÂ’s generally a mistake to let twitchy nerds get their paws on statistical data." <<
asciilifeform: at any rate the 'all psychoactives' thing is poppycock.
BingoBoingo: One can not soak the brain in solvents without solving some brain!
asciilifeform always suspected that 'fuhgettting', such as happens to drunks, is very similar to other things which happen to drunks, in being substantially a matter of ~wanting to~
mircea_popescu: there's a fundamental, perhaps "not visible" in some lights line that distinguishes the college twerps who KNOW what they did from the college twerps who need someone else to tell them what they did.
mircea_popescu: this is also a large portion of why i'm so nonplussed by theoretical "improvements"
mircea_popescu: hence all the "drugs will make things better". the ONE thing all psychoactives have in common is a destruction of identity through fucking up memory.
asciilifeform: a memory-less situation is quite incompatible with 'comfortable existence' for these folx.
mircea_popescu: hence the whole "anonymous" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation.
mircea_popescu: also a nice bastadization of "you can be anything" with "if you want something the whole universe coelhospires for it to happen"
asciilifeform: to go up stack: the 'delete my history of disgraceful failure OR ELSE!1111' thing is an idiocy that does not come from empty space, but from monkeys watching lizard organs do ~same thing routinely
asciilifeform: i can rarely be arsed these days.
mircea_popescu: the naive "i connected to one, should be good rite???" thing dun work since late 90s
mircea_popescu: gotta maintain numerous connections and compare the various lies
mircea_popescu: in fairness, using google is not unlike using the bitcoin network.
asciilifeform: perhaps it is only the trilema result that was yanked. nfi.
asciilifeform wonders how the shmuck got pulled from google
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit << subj.
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone with a visible anything gets a ton of these
asciilifeform: for some reason the michael church thing comes to mind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2013/08/17/the-internet-help-desk/ some pretty choice lulz in there.
mircea_popescu: The penalties that can be adjudged against you due to your reckless and knowing violation of the aforementioned act, and my privacy rights under the California Constitution, the highest law in the land for any one person living in the State of California, are very high.
mircea_popescu: As I informed Mr. [redacted], there are treatises between the Nations of the United States and yours, I believe, Norway, which mandate compliance with the California State and Federal privacy laws respectively.
mircea_popescu: This week, due to your GNAA postings, I just suffered the loss of an important job opportunity, and contract because an individual obtained the private parts I had not intended for hand distribution. After the irc error I wrote several people on that chat ridiculed me.
ben_vulpes: here let me dig through the archives
mircea_popescu: i would like you to delete this dangerous material from the interweb and google.
BingoBoingo: Phun Phact, soybeans bleed red when you cut their roots
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (in usa, this is typically not nyooz, recall the missouri governor - typically a whole president has to get plugged before it is nyooz) << Auditor, would have been governor
asciilifeform: (fits, or does not, the 'nailgunned for not playing nice' scenario ?)
asciilifeform: lulzily i had just freshly come back from that part of bmore, when i read the nyooz item re the old woman.
asciilifeform: (in usa, this is typically not nyooz, recall the missouri governor - typically a whole president has to get plugged before it is nyooz)
mircea_popescu: how many unknown hillary clintons will have to paint the sidewalk before usg admits defeat and goes to licking selected boots ?
mircea_popescu: apparently a warning ain't enough. which... hey, the beatings can definitely continue.
asciilifeform: in usa, hoodlums stab, shoot, club, push off cliff, run over, cops every day of the week