phf: that would be a righteous project to fund, it'll burn thousands of btc and the crumble under its own weight. "featuring in game cinematics by alexandro jodorowski"
mircea_popescu: imo her best is the fabled "evadam sau ne futem ?" "fuff. mai fimflu"
mircea_popescu: which is also why nutty woman accidentally admits she's been pushing this nonsense ever since trhe 80s, and puts her parents (ie, authority figure) in the amulet.
mircea_popescu: more generally, the dysfunctional brain is by definition limited.
phf: thestringpuller: there's a limited number of cultural references for these people. that's why all the conspiracy theory youtube videos use that one track from the matrix when they need to lay down "truth" etc.
thestringpuller: ether huffing is sustainable until people are so brain dead their bodies stop working
shinohai: i lol'd because how quickly their position changed on ETC
thestringpuller: phf: this is as asciilifeform says throwing nuke waste into caskets and firing it into the sun
mircea_popescu: phf no but they're "busy" with "their business". as if there could be a fucking business.
phf: sort of definition of eternal september, since before "eternal" septembrists were deprogrammed by forced communal reeducation. "read the logs, etc."
mircea_popescu: and totally neglects the fact that most of the hospital's business comes in the shape of dudes that show up in unmarked vans, tie him to a wall and fuck him in the ass while loading/unloading patients.
mircea_popescu: then turns around and claims "the willingness to pay" is somehow indicative of... how loved he is ?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'eternal septembers' are never deprogrammed, they are encasketed, like nuke waste
mircea_popescu: they're the equivalent of a guy that sits with a baseball bat in front of hospital and chases the elderly, the infirm and the disabled away.
thestringpuller: meanwhile as asciilifeform says, build walls let zombies eat each other
mircea_popescu: literally, they're responsible for the largest count of marginal people - people who could have gone in, and ensured their future, but didn't.
thestringpuller: it will take years to deprogram the eternal september
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah i dunno what is more hated by the noobs on the margin of btc than coinbase.
asciilifeform: 'We spend a lot of money on things like security audits, compliance, understanding the laws of each country where we operate, obtaining regulatory licenses around the world, great engineering, and many more mundane areas like lunches for employees (there is a competitive market to hire the best people out there).' << gold.
mircea_popescu: specifically in 2013 MPEx gave a sort of soft ultimatum to the public : either you rally behind us, and push the world into the future, or you rally behind either of these two options and get raped.
thestringpuller: "Customers have shown an incredible willingness to pay for the service we've created because there is demand for it, and they recognize that this will help digital currency be more successful." << I love the denial. There is overwhelming hatred from the over regulation. Coinbase is just another fiat institution.
mircea_popescu: phf ideologically this all ties into http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ and the following in that thread ( such as http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ )
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 14:40 asciilifeform: let's cut in another direction. say, not my house (which is studiously ignored even by pigeons, i have nfi) but... e.g., BingoBoingo's - he picks up microwave background, thick enough that birds are dropping. gets rf burns when touching conductors (as i suspect that chick got in the photo)
phf: "the public" is what you say when you're talking trash, while periodically glancing back to check if there's somebody to back you up.
mircea_popescu: since they pretend to have a state.
asciilifeform: since when is there even a 'the public' ? i thought there were only individual chumps..
mircea_popescu: the "public" deserves everything it gets. long and hard.
mircea_popescu: now that it's private, nothing's to keep the dickface from admitting it. hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: back when mp was saying this while mpex was a public company, the idiots knew better.
thestringpuller: for posterity in chan: "Second, most companies in the digital currency space are not profitable right now. Coinbase is not" - Brian Armstrong
mircea_popescu: so it turns out upon examination that it's not as much "us snoop has police cover" ; but rather that "some police grunts are deluded into thinking themselves snoops to accept lower paychecks"
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, someone who is qualified in their chosen profession.
mircea_popescu: well, trained dog dun count as mathematician ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose in theory it could happen.
asciilifeform: i have nfi whether it is effective, for all i know snoop is being well-beaten just around the corner. i only know the procedures.
mircea_popescu: point remains, a "secret agent" shooting is not unlike a "mathematician" doing finger-addition.
asciilifeform: american snoops typically have police cover of one kind or another,
mircea_popescu: much like the ru iirc. pretty much everyone competent in the field eschews the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: at the time, possibly still today, secret service wasn't armed.
asciilifeform: sorta why in usa they shoot first, ask questions after.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, back 20 years ago, friend being pursued by especially insultingly incompetent "secret service" called in a hit on their car. boxed them in, got them out, beat the shit out of them, took them to police station as per tradition. police wouldn't make arrest, he berated them a good one. and left.
asciilifeform: ( they never seem to show up here .... )
asciilifeform: i will be sure to link to this line should i ever encounter one of these folk alive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i meant, if the woman had it and is affraid of publishing it.
mircea_popescu: but you see the difference between this and that. it's marked.
asciilifeform: incidentally the last time his happened, iirc, the victim ended up with a gag order and costly legal bill
mircea_popescu: ie, EXACTLY how the miner collusion item worked.
mircea_popescu: that's how a sane person structures this claim. "i am in possession of the electronics here documented. i got them because X tried to bug my house. feel free to come up with alternative explanation"
asciilifeform: where are the bugs.
asciilifeform: but 'They (NSA) apparently targeted me to warn me off or punish me for having my lawyer subpoena–in February 2015–corroborating information on the identity and existence of Eric Hagemann, a now retired NSA executive who had broken into my home and bugged it illegally because I had filed the IG complaint against one of his buddies.' is testable claim, no?
mircea_popescu: yeah, ex office cocksucker that had to be let go over her idiotic trying to compete with other office cocksucker in any other way than cocksucking.
mircea_popescu: literally, i see no difference between this idiot and the used up party-hos with the "ambassador" blabla crowding out paetraeus
mircea_popescu: ie, "who the fuck is she".
mircea_popescu: third party comes to visit to see how the detectors are wired
asciilifeform: then go and prove worth a shit.
asciilifeform: but basic principle... yes, operator will turn off the machine if neutral third party comes to visit
mircea_popescu: what was linked was a sort of scrapbook, much alike what a "our wedding" album would look in the hands of a deranged housewife.
mircea_popescu: makea a blog, call it "joe and katy's radioastronomy garage lab". post the weirdo data live, let people come visit...
asciilifeform: well yes, i grasp that mircea_popescu would have the perp's safehouse broken into and the screaming operator dragged out, tied to a plank, etc
asciilifeform: it is trivial to illuminate a house from several 100 m, through another's property line, or from parked vehicles
mircea_popescu: this because i'm not "a citizen" aka consumjer aka idiot, but one of those elite folks to whom law doesn't apply and to whom the police are a tool not an entity.
mircea_popescu: and ftr, if i one day ran into aliens, i would similarly not report it to the closest police preceinct
mircea_popescu: then do something other than post a billion pics of anon people sitting in room and ONE clearly mislabeled item
asciilifeform: then what.
mircea_popescu: the recommended answer will be an array of assays. "get ye so and so item from amazon and do so and so with it"
asciilifeform: what's the recommended answer ?
asciilifeform: let's cut in another direction. say, not my house (which is studiously ignored even by pigeons, i have nfi) but... e.g., BingoBoingo's - he picks up microwave background, thick enough that birds are dropping. gets rf burns when touching conductors (as i suspect that chick got in the photo)
mircea_popescu: and on the other score : the weak and the ignorant are mad and have no excuse. i don't mean no excuse to mistake. i mean no excuse to be.
mircea_popescu: leaving the sherriff puzzled... "in training they told us to dump here evertything we don't know how to otherwise process. wtf ?!"
mircea_popescu: and so often the sherriff goes "here's a load of items of the right type - we don't know what else to do with them" and the psych ward lead goes "fu bitch, none of these belong here take them out"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, like any strained mechanism supposed to do one thing in theory and another in practice, the practitioners aren't too keen
asciilifeform: those'd be other problems.
mircea_popescu: it is true the us uses "medicine" to wash its hands on social problems, ballas has well explained this, article is cached on trilema
asciilifeform: and may handily account for some of the 'death ray' tales.
mircea_popescu: but in this case the alleged psykushka kicked her out.
asciilifeform: and, incidentally, microwave illuminators for audio bugs, as invented by leo thermen, still in use today worldwide.
asciilifeform: (where they work on victim's weaknesses and ignorance, and actually do a fine job of inducing degree of madness)
asciilifeform: i am inclined to believe that some of the allegations not pertaining to death rays are true. психушка is indeed a thing in usaschwitz.
asciilifeform: it was very much in character, somehow, with the mental image the 'patrioty', more backwoodsy usg types appear to have of themselves.
mircea_popescu: and i can just as you can measure the wavelength of the generator on the basis of the mark left behind eh.
asciilifeform: and this is the first case i learned of where victim owned measuring equipment of whatever sort.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unlike, e.g., dragos bios, there are no physical contradictions in the linked piece
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh the woman's nuts.
asciilifeform: from the lulpipe: https://everydayconcerned.net/2016/08/05/nsa-whistleblower-wrongfully-baker-acted-by-florida-sheriffs-department-after-providing-hard-evidence-of-covert-electronic-harassment
asciilifeform: somewhere there.
asciilifeform: lotsa lulz common in these.
mircea_popescu: more like in the way ancient transparent trylobite sealed in a cave since 2mn years ago is a mollusc.
asciilifeform: well, in the way bat is a bird.
mircea_popescu: (which, of course, they are.)
mircea_popescu: you'd think they're all secretly ultraorthodox jooz.
mircea_popescu: perhaps forcing a point. but there's this very typical balabusta look.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what counts, for the purpose of this observation, as 'obese' ?
mircea_popescu: they are, from experience.
asciilifeform: why the fuck would islamic patriarch keep 'obeast' around?
mircea_popescu: plenty of force-fed girlies among the beduins, etc.
BingoBoingo wonders if ISIS version of dependapotamus if Hijjabba the Hutt
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite_(Nadar) << Hermaphrodite (Nadar) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.luminous-lint.com/app/contents/fra/_photographer_nadar_hermaphrodite_01/ << Nadar: Hermaphrodite | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16490032 << Early photo-illustration of a hermaphrodite by the French ...
BingoBoingo: Don't worry though at this year's olympics there are 0 testosterone regulations on competing as women
mircea_popescu: there's also chemical imbalances of various sorts, it's not entirely well understood.
mircea_popescu: i'd say futa = deeply sexualized female, with monstrously large male genitals that violate basic physics (chiefly in that they can disappear under clothes, and don't need blood to function)
mircea_popescu: o look, there's even an irc chan, #kryptoncoin
asciilifeform: it was an early instance of the robo-corporation idiocy.
mircea_popescu: is this futa-archy ? ie, the japanese what were they, chicks with monstrous mammaries ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Imagine a corporation that engages in economic activity without guidance or direction from humans."
asciilifeform: which was the object.
asciilifeform: iirc they confiscated a boat and even this raised a stink and ultimately nothing happened
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, like the dudes that bought up argentina's debt at 2 cents to the dollar, proceeded to have the idiots for some reason respond tgo suit in us court, and have us judge opine as if anyone asked him anything.
mircea_popescu: eral incidents of murder on site, riots requiring hundreds of officers to quell) there is no method of restoring civil liberties (the program has no release stage) being underfunded, understaffed and located in an old condemned correctional facility."
mircea_popescu: lorida Department of Corrections, the Florida Department of Children and Families (DCF), and state attorneys to determine the level of risk for re-offense. Upon release from incarceration, these inmates may be subject to civil proceedings and commitment to a secure facility for treatment. That treatment center, located in Arcadia, was criticized because treatment is lacking (less than 5 hours per week), it lacks security (sev
mircea_popescu: since for some reason we're doing home of the slaves & land of the cowardly discovery : " The Jimmy Ryce Act (Jimmy Ryce Involuntary Civil Commitment for Sexually Violent Predators' Treatment And Care Act) was passed unanimously by the Florida legislature and was signed by Governor Lawton Chiles on May 19, 1998, becoming effective on January 1, 1999. The act calls for inmates with sex offense histories to be reviewed by the F
mats: who knows, maybe one of these three scams will unfuck itself
mircea_popescu: actually, if you're part of the NOT!!1-corruption ring of the usg and have some hope of obtaining serviceable enforcement, it's not a terribru buy.
mircea_popescu: this curse of modernity, where nobody has any time to eat because everyone gotta cook all the time.
covertress: sorry, idk the dynamics of this feifdom and don't know who 'ranks'... but, fair warning.. im gonna call it like i see it
mats: read the logs plz
mats: >For you more adventurous types, like me, you can dive into the world of cryptocurrency and diversify your wallet among a sea of alternatives to bitcoin. Dogecoin (internet tipping) and Gaiacoin (e-commerce platform) are two of my favorites.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516310 << on top of all of this, as if it were not enough: intel's bios crapolade, at least such as have been released or leaked, builds STRICTLY under winblowz. i shit thee not, MB of .bat.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 00:29 mats: >'In the meantime, In place of the loss in each wallet, we are crediting a token labeled BFX to record each customer’s discrete losses. Tokens will be distributed without release or waiver. The BFX tokens will remain outstanding until redeemed in full by Bitfinex or possibly exchanged—upon the creditor’s request and Bitfinex’s acceptance—for shares
mircea_popescu: or #whatever, i kinda lost count. what's the official uber alles count ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516329 << 'all hail the wehrmacht! i mean, the bundeswehr!! hail to our modern allieeees..' -- tom lehrer
mircea_popescu: the only problem with this approach is that it's utterly unsustainable. by the time "they just want to" that, the sword's all out of the sheath, and i'm way the fuck more likely to buy obama's daughters by the pound than they're to "win the war on x" or w/e the fuck.
asciilifeform: seeeekrit law is analogous to, e.g., 'dao' fork and every other 'unprincipled exception'.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 02:30 mircea_popescu: the very notion of secret "law"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516321 << talmudism. they 'just want to' arbitrarily do whatever, to whomever, like orcs, and the window dressing of 'rule of law' is annoying, more importantly - too expensive to afford nowadays
mircea_popescu: yeah. what else are they gonna do ? it'll be cheaper to make it in germany than to buy it from trump.
mircea_popescu: their "congress" is a parliament. there's no such thing as "congress". words have meanings, even if the rural colonists never had a chance to visit a school or library.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the usians are special, they call government "Administration" and the state "government"
mircea_popescu: also, the us congress is not a branch of us government.
mircea_popescu: "scientists" with "secret" proof and never-seen "publications" ; bureaucrats with secret "law" ; financiers with "secret" resources that don't exist and "businessmen" in their own minds asking you to "sign their nda" to hear their "idea"
mircea_popescu: wtf is with these people.
mircea_popescu: the very notion of secret "law"
asciilifeform: ermined that the secret law allegation is well founded in all three branches, the article argues that ... '
asciilifeform: 'The allegation that the U.S. government is producing secret law has become increasingly common. This article evaluates this claim, examining the available evidence in all three federal branches. In particular, Congress’s governance of national security programs via classified addenda to legislative reports is here given the first focused scholarly treatment, including empirical analysis that shows references in Public Law to these c
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the lulzery, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2687223
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, intel would spoil the tears
mircea_popescu: no mp intervention needed, the lulz spindle seems to be working great neh ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ being the fiat equivalent.
mats: of iFinex Inc. We are still sorting out many details on this; we will post further updates in the coming days.'
mats: >'In the meantime, In place of the loss in each wallet, we are crediting a token labeled BFX to record each customer’s discrete losses. Tokens will be distributed without release or waiver. The BFX tokens will remain outstanding until redeemed in full by Bitfinex or possibly exchanged—upon the creditor’s request and Bitfinex’s acceptance—for shares
a111: Logged on 2016-08-05 01:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wanna bet they'll be right back trying to trade while insolvent, shtylman style ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 18:10 asciilifeform: phf: see, i did not know that you implemented entire stack, always assumed that you had it hanging off znc or the like
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1516146 << there was a whole thread about the thing in #trinquelandia
shinohai kicks thestringpuller
asciilifeform: mats: just wait until 'consumer comes to expect' and 1st lawsuit over the thing ~failing~ to get to hospital on time.
asciilifeform: jurov: this is not a solution, i refuse to scramble the order
mats: where's the fucking part where this guy (and others - who sleep at the wheel, play jenga, w/e) is found guilty of reckless endangerment?
jurov: asciilifeform: guess the rss implementation uses updated tag as primary key, and recent 2 entries have exactly same timestamp
mats: the tesla hype is real
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 21:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1516222 << 2 different ips there.
mircea_popescu: heh i see that i'm not the first to notice.
mircea_popescu: motherFUCKER! really, bitch ? really ? YOU SAY WHAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART ?
mircea_popescu: "A working hostname lookup is a fundamental part of the system. ~Andreas."
mircea_popescu: and in other illustrated news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/c38c453fb4415eeb20dd35c442944134/tumblr_mzk8thzYK61qaoeoqo9_500.gif
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, bitbet made most of its money in retrospect by being canary in mine.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1516215 << i have no idea who thinks this, but they'd be rather clueless and in any case wrong.
mircea_popescu: as green correctly points out, "most of the pointless wank and useless crud in all stem fields were actually just unhappy accidents: the shit that stuck to the floor, walls and all crevices while imbeciles at MIT tried to feed themselves."
mircea_popescu: also none of the nonsense of "encrypt face down cards" via elgamal is needed.
mircea_popescu: the major problem in poker isn't "fair dealing", it's debotting it. but i have a ready solution for this problem too, and im persuaded it's complete.
mircea_popescu: and hashes the result. this is the "rng". at end of day publishes day's salt concatenations for each played hand.
mircea_popescu: anyway. decentralized don't enter into it. the way you play is that you have a dealer bot, which selects a string composed as a) "the hash of the latest known block whose height is divisible be 117 and is not in the last 117 found blocks" + b) a server generated salt for the day + c) a player generated salt, to be changed any time a player feels like. then for any dealt hand, the server concatenates a + b + c for each player
BingoBoingo: primedice bought forum ads, dooglus was the ad
BingoBoingo: just-dice... primedice was other thing
mircea_popescu: dooglus contributed a lot of solid research to this ; the way he handed it in primedice with the salts and later copied by all the others works fine.
ben_vulpes: phf: nobody's pushing the incompetence line
asciilifeform: 'A working hostname lookup is a fundamental part of the system. -- Andreas.'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 04:53 trinque: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=20015 << if the world ever rights "helpful" is going to be a euphemism for "tries to slip dick in when you turn your back"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: i'd guess players yearn for this like they yearn for a molten sodium turbine reactor in their living room.
asciilifeform: it comes with whole raft of problems, incl. the inherently lethal 'mechanical connection to btc transmitter' bit.
asciilifeform: mats, mircea_popescu, et al : just about any game can be played 'over bitcoin blockchain' and be 'provably fair', this is not the problem, but that ~nobody wants to pay the cost (in time and coin both) of playing over btc telegraph.
asciilifeform: various refinements had been proposed over the years, but none, afaik, of any serious consequence.
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #trilema 14 weeks, 3 days, 15 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
mats: i played with the idea but i need an alf (or a coupla years of free time to eat the prerequisite knowledge)
mats: whatever happened to the guy that was working on a wot cryptopoker thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have the advantage of ready at my beak and call stable of otherwise intelligent, educated and detail-oriented womenz. i can soak up all sorts of unimaginable things the average "vc team" et all couldn't possibly.
mircea_popescu: with the caveat that from experience, mike_c's attempt to make a site (and he made a very nice one) to test in practice some theories which we didn't agree on in theory did put a lot of load on him, and possibly in my mind burned the guy out.
mircea_popescu: now, if someone either a) thinks they have the bright idea or b) welcome the busywork (not unrational, that's how you learn things) they're welcome obviously.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re phf's "of course i thought about writing bbet" : the problem there's not "write the site", thats a trivial task to be done in a brief time by a single competent coder. the problem there, and the reson i'm not pushing for replacement, is "how to administer bets". and until i have a good idea i won't push for this, because it's ~futile as it is, will just pile busywork on some people for no actual benefit.
asciilifeform: glass walls are a relic from the old imperial dayz.
asciilifeform: it is being replaced, in the 'harm cities', with cage.
mats: virtually all of these i've seen have three glass walls on em
asciilifeform: it would be a fairly small matter to refuse to let the victim out, if need be.
asciilifeform: many atm in usa are already in a kind of cage, where you need to first open door to a small booth using the card, and only then can use atm
mats: the new usb3 standard has a lotta power, could shock a disobedient user real good
asciilifeform: instead of eating card, lock the user's hand in.
asciilifeform: incidentally i've wondered for many years why american atm builders had not yet thought of including hand-trap in the thing
asciilifeform: '"This is Sentrybot XJW - 667 responding to kinetic disturbance at perimeter wall." whirred an obnoxious female voice. "Please put your handcuffs on and lay face down on the floor. This is an emergency."'
asciilifeform: or feeds it thermite tape as 'card'...
asciilifeform: though most of the newer units lack an 'eater' for some reason.
mircea_popescu: they have to iirc.
mats: fun fact, the usb smart card reader spec defines a control request for eating cards instead of returning them
phf: all these stories from mp basement, i feel like i'm missing out
phf: (i actually integrated that code into btcbase two weekends ago, which is when i piped up about it. but then i went to ocean city, twice now :> so no free weekend of hacking)
asciilifeform: phf: see, i did not know that you implemented entire stack, always assumed that you had it hanging off znc or the like
trinque: this sasl bit is the last thing before I sign a vpatch
asciilifeform: phf, then, has point
trinque: enumerating the states of nickserv is a tangle of weeds
mircea_popescu: incidentally, we prolly shoulf just publish a standard irc bot basic, a la gribble (which is really just supybot) then v off it ?
asciilifeform: ah the stale connection.
phf: asciilifeform: there's two problems. one is pedantic, lost messages during reconnect period. one is practical, there's a handful beurocratic steps that needs to take place during reconnect, ensuring you have the right nick, ghosting a stale connection, ensuring that you're authenticated
phf: asciilifeform: ~one~ thread. every time bot goes down i get a "wtf" treatment from you. bot disconnects because there's a connection issue. it doesn't reconnect because there's no reconnection code. i will fix that eventually. i've said as much every time the subject comes up. so i'm supposed to just work on this shit to a chorus of "loooooog dooooown wtf incompetence"?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to give you one datapoint : out of close to 2k props closed, there were exactly 2 mispaid ones we had to repay. go ahead and create a team of people who a) pick all items within hours ; b) failure rate of 0.1% or less. then report what it costs.
asciilifeform: campaigning against franks while the fields overgrow with weed, and aqueducts fall down, makes 0 likewise.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform creation's cheap ; closure's expensive. what's the cost of making a kid ? depends. do you kill him right after or do you take him to college ?
phf: the way back from ocean city
phf: asciilifeform: of course i thought about writing bbet, but that means that i can't work on log, or would spend less time on it. to answer question re no reconnect, at some point there was a reason, which i since realized was silly. to now rewrite bot and integration takes time. which i took, now takes time to integrate etc. if i was working on this full time could finish all in a couple of days. as is, i'm literally hacking in a car on
mircea_popescu: ie, in case of bitbet things worked smoothly because i never trusted the nonsense ; in the case of the dao unsmoothly because the idiots actually tried this "the code is law" nonsense.
asciilifeform: what ought to have been the cost of creating a bet?
mircea_popescu: no. the implication here is that "automated business" will always end in crater, with the size of the crater as a functiuon of how much everyone actually reliedf on the "automated" part.
mircea_popescu: there's a ~degree of magnitude gap between what "a bitbet bet cost" and what bitbet charged for one.
mircea_popescu: there isn't ai. and it costs too damn much to actually hand-eval contracts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for ~same reason "colored coins" in all their nutty variants all the way to "the dao" dun work in practice.
asciilifeform: incidentally there is a large crater where bbet stood that no one has yet filled.
mircea_popescu: neither of these have so far produced a unit of whatever they produce for less than they sold it for. this is obviously unsustainable ; but also not necessarily a killer early on in new markets.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe him when he says, "i've simply not thought about it". which is the beauty of tmsr, gets people thinking about things.
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform has the utmost respect for phf's abilities, and quite seriously wanted to know why he didn't (do (try-connecting) (is-connected-p)) , not to kick him for 'lazy' or whatever.
phf: i don't grok the business strategy of "here's the project i'm working on, it lost x btc so far". cardano had a deliverable, that could be sold, everything else seems to be "tmsr marketing"
phf: well, unfortunately i don't have S.LOG to make monthly excuses to shareholders in. log upkeep is like the janitorial work of tmsr, doesn't even come with a promise of future millions
asciilifeform: i actually recall phf saying something about why he didn't make it loop forever reconnecting, but cannot find in the l0gz
mircea_popescu: shinohai that's why the confusion took a week to clear ? because it wasn't 4,5 mn eth coins ?
asciilifeform: phf: 'tis in the monthly broadcast
asciilifeform: and then ?
phf: the bot disconnects when ping/pong delay exceeds 30 seconds
ben_vulpes is dreadfully curious about the actual failure mechanism at work here.
ben_vulpes: wait, what does the box location have to do with anything?