asciilifeform: req'd mem is ~200 bytes + however big is the memory image used for particular run.
asciilifeform: ( for thread-completeness, the missing pieces afaik are : 1) handle speshulcases of 'div' and arithm. overflow trapping -- neither apparently used in linux, but presumably used ~somewhere~ 2) iron timer slave thread 3) nic 4) disk i/o 5) cuntoo port ! )
asciilifeform: there's a version that actually logs erry single tick and fills yer disk, and a set of utils for cutting apart said logs, but omitted here for clarity.
asciilifeform: imho is reasonably 'fittable in head'. if tonight piano falls on asciilifeform , it will not be difficult for someone else to add the missing pieces.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, asciilifeform while cooking war plan went and thought 'oughta clean up the june item for pre-pub'. and so, for the pleasure of the audience : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tmsrmips-demo/tmsrmips.asm
BingoBoingo: Hence the Nordic impulse of Old Women to try to stagnate everything back to mud huts. Avoidance of regret by smothering the babes as they try to escape the cradle.
mp_en_viaje: this is the ~only result of universal franchise, this demuring at the wrong time followed by bitter regret just as soon as it's too late.
mp_en_viaje: they "knew better" than bitcoin in 2013, now they're chasing pennies ; they "knew better" than stupid spoiled whore store for 9yo girls in 2001, only to maga now, and so ongoing.
BingoBoingo: That's kinda the North America story in a nutshell. Could have had California gold, came late as a rush and ancestors OD'd on Kurt Cobain in the desert instead.
mp_en_viaje: the one thing "the general public" keeps doing, is this "too hot for life" thing when it could have an in, and then plaintive regret once the window closes.
mp_en_viaje: the one time when anything inside could actually buy russia
BingoBoingo: Right, just about everyone in the US who was alive at the time wants to return to some year between 1988 and 2000, with the median choice probably hitting somewhere around 1997
mp_en_viaje: whole fucking thing is "give us 2000 back", on those exact terms, "we want our nowhere, ohio grand opening of the spoiled stupid whore store"
mp_en_viaje: dude is exactly the clueless if vapid, neglected offspring of a rich father. "businessman in his own right", duh, just like paris, some little derivative derpitudes here and there.
mp_en_viaje: trump is ~EXACTLY~ the paris hilton ie spoiled stupid whore ; the whole "maga" thing is simply kentucky waking up to the fact that... well... they were fucking wrong 20 years ago
mp_en_viaje: it's called "spoiled stupid whore", all about paris hilton and her supposed "influence" ; but really, it's about the end of the 90s, girls correctly identifying the right path in life and the insane pile-up of insecurity this drove aming the "traditional" ie rural population.
mp_en_viaje: so i was coincidentally watching old southparks with the girls, and an item in season 5 (2001, just before osama ended america) totally brought it all in focus.
BingoBoingo: Quite the title indeed
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/re-reading-the-cargo-cults-case-study/ << Trilema -- Re-reading the cargo cults "case study"
mp_en_viaje: and in other "writs in burnished rows of steel" : http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/07/forward-looking-report-weeks-28-31-of-2019/comment-page-1/#comment-37
BingoBoingo: With the fiat auctions ticking down jurov could be getting some cheap coin
mp_en_viaje: correctly implemented ring buffer would be immune << that's the idea.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in the local thrashing, Old women and Aspie alliance just changing the rules of the campaign as they go along: https://archive.is/OMA0t
bvt: mp_en_viaje: i will have a look if i can arrange it -- right now i have another travel scheduled around that time.
bvt: asciilifeform: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/todo-items-and-work-plan-jul2019/comment-page-1/#comment-23 re firefly; re kernel blocking, i expect that correctly implemented ring buffer would be immune from the concurrent access interference.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, ima be in warsaw end of the month/early august, anyone from yurp wanna meet ? ave1 ? bvt ?
a111: Logged on 2019-07-07 16:41 ave1: I was thinking about generating it from a table, but then stopped myself (first do it a couple of times then automate)
BingoBoingo: But that's a much smaller cut of the aspie pie
BingoBoingo: Some other college educated aspies make up the Talve "I R Economista" faction of the Colorados, because in college they aspied into the sort that values titles and tulpas
a111: Logged on 2019-07-07 09:28 mp_en_viaje: basically, i take it, these "frente amplio" tards are "college educated" uruguay aspie class ?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921990 << An accumulated pile of said aspies from the 1960s through the present. Their ranks are bulked up a bit by workers for the state oil business who've moved into the PCU after their previous club collapsed when their cult of personality personality who was given the oil firm's helm was caught in a spiral of scandals early 2018
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2019/the-fruits-of-the-land-terranean-and-subterranean/#selection-309.184-315.14 << i buy it quite regularly right here. (granted, from the chechens)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-fruits-of-the-land-terranean-and-subterranean/ << Trilema -- The fruits of the land -- terranean and subterranean.
ave1: I was thinking about generating it from a table, but then stopped myself (first do it a couple of times then automate)
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921987, Yes I used graphviz, fill in action from a basic example on their site.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-07 09:51 mp_en_viaje: in any case, the belief in the empire's pretense to sovereignity is evaporating at an ever-increasing rate.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921993 << is there detectable uptick in 'reichsburgers' ? or is this in re general case
a111: Logged on 2019-07-07 08:48 mp_en_viaje: i mean, the cans are written in russian not "belarussian".
mp_en_viaje: in any case, the belief in the empire's pretense to sovereignity is evaporating at an ever-increasing rate.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-07 03:06 asciilifeform: i.e. apparently in eureich , officials hold copyright on their mutterings? had nfi.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921975 << i dunno this is so. at the furtherst may be untested legal theory spewed by the merkelgendered, but about same substance in law as whatever nonsense the oldfatwomen come up with across the pond.
mp_en_viaje: basically, i take it, these "frente amplio" tards are "college educated" uruguay aspie class ?
mp_en_viaje: http://bingology.net/2019/07/07/uruguay-today-the-lefts-election-hangover-and-other-butthurt/#selection-17.4-17.49 << this is particularly fucking lulzy, considering http://trilema.com/2016/pili/#selection-81.329-81.422
mp_en_viaje: i still bought it from the fucking "supermarket" across the street, rather than having to order it through my own system of couriers.
mp_en_viaje: i mean, the cans are written in russian not "belarussian".
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, im sure they fly it in.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's how they organize, futbolisms
a111: Logged on 2019-07-06 12:36 mp_en_viaje: in other news, the locally sourced икра осетровая / альгиновая fucking delish. i love this country.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-06#1921950 << maybe my globe is broken, but on it belarussia is landlocked ? where is the local sturgeon from ?!
asciilifeform: i.e. apparently in eureich , officials hold copyright on their mutterings? had nfi.
asciilifeform: ( gotta also wonder, do they still fly each newly-'elected' chancellor to washington for 'the talk' ? or does usg make house calls these days ? )
asciilifeform wonders whether in current italy there are also 'reichsburger' , who demand to be dealt under proper roman law...
asciilifeform: there's a sovok-flavoured variant also ( and stoked somewhat by the fact that sov passport is still theoretically valid in modern ru )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well-known lulz -- germanic variant of http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/07/07/uruguay-today-the-lefts-election-hangover-and-other-butthurt/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Uruguay Today: The Left's Election Hangover And Other Butthurt
a111: Logged on 2019-07-06 17:08 bvt: mp_en_viaje: ty for the comment; i have to go afk now, so most likely vdiff fix will be out tomorrow 2nd half of the day. right now it is at http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/vdiff_blockwise_read.vpatch (add .bvt.sig for the seal)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-06#1921956 << you should replace the declare .. begin inside the inner loop with char_ptrs.increment
phf: i thought i saw some discussion of using different key, but couldn't find it in the logs
bvt: mp_en_viaje: ty for the comment; i have to go afk now, so most likely vdiff fix will be out tomorrow 2nd half of the day. right now it is at http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/vdiff_blockwise_read.vpatch (add .bvt.sig for the seal)
mp_en_viaje: in other news, the locally sourced икра осетровая / альгиновая fucking delish. i love this country.
spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html#fn4 <-- updated cl-who demo with mega-likbez on html generation mechanism using macros.
BingoBoingo: And dude talking from on high to ambiguously fire or not 4 folks and a couple is only the beginning of the local lulz here lit this week
BingoBoingo: If they Navy and all four of their boats and Army with too many generals for half a division decide to do the coup thing... as fun as that might be, gotta lay out the facts of who would be laying out
BingoBoingo: Anyways, before the Fat Forehead UniLeft coalition came to Power, Uruguay had two parties that mattered. The rural, nationalist blancos and the Urban, faggy, militant Colorados. I'd been following what happens with the Blancos because what they do is live. I'm catching up on the Colorado drama, because the only reason to take the speculum to old women is an earnest interest in being thorough.
BingoBoingo: It's a notes dump that'll get clarified in a Uruguay dispatch. Inside baseball and all that stuff that would not matter to the world if we didn't have a rack parked here.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-06 07:26 mp_en_viaje: rather than "just some dumb shit oversmart grad students use to fuck themselves with".
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-06#1921918 << This seems to be the problem of Uruguay and the rest of the aspiring to develop world.The dominant sector in the FA which will likely force a split are the Social Democrats/Democratic Socialists that have been to Miami and Spain yet aspire to emulate the Oslo they have never seen with their own eyes.
BingoBoingo: At the same time the local derps wonder why AP characterizes the Blanco Partido Nacional as merely center-right while their derpity-rose Colorados get classed as far right by the AP's English as third language speakers
BingoBoingo: So now there's a Talvi write notes for Uruguay's retirement plans to trade on wall street (as if) Colorado Party and Guido's "Guns look best with Chrome" Colorado Parties now sharing a 9/6% or 8/7% split of the vote in october.
BingoBoingo: Which, fuck it. The Colorado Party brand in Uruguay is absolutely toxic in Uruguay as the Chile (Peppers or Pinochet) brand except among the 15% of the population that is ride or die Colorado because these fucks will track their resentments happily over 7+ generations
BingoBoingo: The dig turns out otherwise empty Cabildo Abierto having been a shell started by pro-dictatorship faction of the old Colorado party trying to fork off the local reddit derps exemplified by identifies as NY trained economist guy.
BingoBoingo: The particular election rabbit hole I've just about completely explored is how "book club" party with an uncontested internal managed ~50 kilovotes for recently fired former commander in chief Guido Manini Ríos Stratta whose only firm platform position seems to be no "reform" of the military retirement system and softer position declaring "Army on streets is good"
BingoBoingo: Election overview is baking, should come within the next 18 hours. Got stuck in a local rabbit hole. Pizarro statement to follow by end of the day Sunday.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> did that kiss of death of a pompous piece of shit ever come up with something ? forget about "coinlab not launching any product". has graham's derpy scam launched anything in the 5 or so years since anyone even looked to laugh at them ? << As far as I can tell they keep whipping the same cows. Dropbox, less frequently and AirBnB all the time.
mp_en_viaje: i had almost forgotten how spitefully retarded the romanian aspirational class actually is. i hope the usg zoo gets them all, i know of no worse set of shitheads on planet 3.
mp_en_viaje: oh! and besides that time when "journalists translate spanish", that lulzy time (also in 2012) when "smart kids" did the boo boo on windows only, cuz "how will mp ever notice". lawd this was a fun spelunking session.
mp_en_viaje: (clean rooms "clean themselves" because air is maintained at positive pressure inside, so whatever particles aren't sucked into the filters get spilled out the doors etc. the whole trick is to not get them TOO dirty in the first place, which "too" starts at ppb [parts-per-billion] in some cases, hence all the funny shoe covers etc)
mp_en_viaje: in a sense, this is the marketable strength of the whole approach, "you know what the difference is between your rural summer kitchen and my clean room operation ? this latter thing cleans itself kekekekex!!!"
spyked: mp_en_viaje, agreed re. server pre/post-processing split. prolly can be done in php too, but manually, or otherwise with significant work from author
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in rotaku interest items from the glorious days of 2012, http://trilema.com/2012/socialistii-cei-tristi/
mp_en_viaje: and the obvious answer is "because they are SO FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT, it's worth one's time". which is obvious to the familiar mind, but probably a significant bar towards getting a php-er to think lisp may be interesting.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the obvious question (from the php-mind) re the split would be "why", buttressed by the observation that "if you're gonna do any page processing at all, you wanna start after all the symbols you can possibly want to use have resolved. this is why php ~starts~ work on a pile of code AFTER things such as "calling user ip" is a known quantity : so you don't end up with two phases, one of which being stuck with undefined symbols the 2nd will
spyked: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/goXZ4/?raw=true <-- macroexpanded "hello world" example of cl-who. the second coad is what's executed when generating page; the first is what I have to write. the second indeed looks like salad to untrained eye, but otherwise maps 100% to cl-who constructs
spyked: i think it's safer to say that cl-who is a compiler from a particular set of s-expr into html. and looking at my (yet-again convoluted!) explanation, I can now distinctly remember that most debugging issues I've had were caused by not understanding the language.
mp_en_viaje: so basically you split the www server processing into two phases, pre-processing and post-processing (time0 being the client call)
spyked: mp_en_viaje, I'm confusing some things in my explanation, namely html (as outputted by that coad) and the S-expr-html representation in cl-who. the two are separate, and this meta-embedded is done with the latter and is used to separate code macro-processed by cl-who from code that executes when the page is generated.
mp_en_viaje: did that kiss of death of a pompous piece of shit ever come up with something ? forget about "coinlab not launching any product". has graham's derpy scam launched anything in the 5 or so years since anyone even looked to laugh at them ?
mp_en_viaje: i think the problem here is mostly that i have nfi what i'm talking about.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, the lisp-in-html-in-lisp... occurs at macroexpansion time. the result is Lisp code that takes input and outputs html. human operator's main job is to distinguish which part of the template is html, and which does mechanical work (e.g. taking rows from a db and putting them into page)
mp_en_viaje: anyway, re deep you should see the latest lines in budapest. the escalators give out dizzyspells.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, yeah, paris metro is pretty cool. sadly the city around it fell apart, but what can you do.
mp_en_viaje: maybe i misunderstand what you're saying ; but imo php and perl have little functionally to do with each other, people identify them through their disdain, and by "people" i mean people whose locus is bash. the people whose locus is excel/virtual basic or w/e don't.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-05 18:10 mp_en_viaje: spyked, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html#selection-207.23-207.57 << is this even a good idea ? why would you want to interleave lisp and html ? how the fuck is anyone gonna debug the salad ?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-05#1921771 <-- it's how html templating/pre-processing usually works, you embed one language into the other. php is perl (or whatever) interleaved with html; cl-who is very similar, only without the leaky abstractions, i.e. html trees are represented as s-exprs and can be correctly manipulated as such
diana_coman: the one in Minsk (as in St Petersburg so I put it on -> Russian) was a. deeper (doubling as nuclear shelter?) b. accelerating for all it was worth (so more likely long-distance idea)
diana_coman: the striking difference re bucharest esp was simply that tube in Bucharest is /was clearly made for medium-long distance, a "cross the gridlocked centre" sort of thing while the one in Paris was to a large extent for short distance (or at least most lines i.e. there are some, fewer "express" lines)
diana_coman: I think it was one X with some concentric circles + north-south and east-west lines but I never really studies the map in a lot of detail
asciilifeform: re chinese, i've not had the pleasure to ride their trains or even see up close, so cannot add.
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje saw the nyc sub with own eyes
asciilifeform: hmm, dun display, trips the mpwp spamload killer
mp_en_viaje: i thought "holy shit, this is the most antique insane thing leftover"
asciilifeform: here they have a depot on ea. end of ea. line.
mp_en_viaje: but i mean they just loop, neh ? doesn't actually switch at end of line, just loops around
asciilifeform: but no, they switch and switch sides, all day, and is where train usually gets stuck when gets stuck
asciilifeform: i cannot say why they did not build the (youngest, i think, in world) wash. metro -- 1972 iirc -- with 100% bidir. platforms
asciilifeform: they do not of course physically cross even here. but the trains do have to switch sides, i dun know of any subway anywhere where ~all~ stations have bidirectional platform
mp_en_viaje: nowere do the lines ACTUALLY cross. warsaw blue line is under red line. minsk red under blue. etc. you wanna interconnect, get off use escalator.
asciilifeform: aha, worx by 'let'em move to where the station is'
mp_en_viaje: i'm not even persuaded it's a bad idea. if you only have dough for that track length, making a cross possibly optimal load. and if not constrained by historical idiocy, like budapest with its 1898 lines look like they were dug by moles, might as well just make a proper grid, #
asciilifeform: ( they in fact do. but not 'because rich', but rather because will sooner forgo food than to forgo to 'feed' truck, without it is as without legs )
mp_en_viaje: (there's different place where i explain that romanian "business owner" ie rotto in culo making 5k/year hussing the street has no business owning car. THEREFORE I CONTRADICT SELF!!!
asciilifeform: i'ma guess that these come from same fountain of liquishit as the 'hotel' in oslo -- i.e. clients unequipped to distinguish the sham from real deal
mp_en_viaje: amusing rotard hanger-on was just complaining about it, as it happens, "because he has detected my hypocrisy", or however it works in their brains
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-431.0-431.311
asciilifeform: cannot nao find in O(1) this piece, but iirc had 'picture if you called undertaker, and he replied that he's waiting for a tram with enuff room to bring the coffin'
asciilifeform: which was memorably odd and howthefuckdoesitwork
asciilifeform: this is prolly where asciilifeform ought to honestly admit, that he dun even have the equiv. of 'three grades of church school education' in this subj : in fact had never been to a bordello at all. so the last thing alive vs subj expert.
mp_en_viaje: not even sport, not like i fucked anyone. was for blogging, you know, to draw a map gotta draw the limits. just like math analysis, go for the remarkable points of inflection etc.
asciilifeform: a++ heuristic then, makes sense
mp_en_viaje: some things sell the steak, some things sell the sizzle. hotels, bars, whorehouses, etc -- these sell the sizzle, there's no steak there.
asciilifeform: is logic here that if it were a quality bordello, neon would be rounding error in operating cost ? and therefore 'wrong gate'
mp_en_viaje: i WILL however ditch "luxury boutique hotel" across the way from construction yard.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, because whoring is not an industry ? the girls don't make axles in there, you realise, it's not cnc milling
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, except mp_en_viaje came by car, left by car the next minute. gotta make mp get out of car yes ?
mp_en_viaje: by their websites you'd think they rebuilt glory days las vegas ; but when you get there it looks more like some over-excited 11th graders got a hold of a dad's computer.
asciilifeform: why invest in 40 metre neons and megalith if mp_en_viaje will just as happily come to properly equipped garage, maybe is the logic
mp_en_viaje: the casinos, those are monumental and marquee up in lights the side of the building. but apparently whorehouses occur in someone's garage.
mp_en_viaje: so we opt out, go for 2nd best. it is a... well i dunno, basically looked like a bus stop in the distance.
mp_en_viaje: ate (very nice food, "friendship" pectopan in friendship park, a++ beerhouse, great soup great snitzel etc) ; then went for the "moulin rouge", top best cathouse-cunnyshack. driver takes us to a... well... i dunno, construction yard ? narrow dark alley betwen a concrete wall and some metal panes delimiting an earthy ditch.
asciilifeform: will admit, even as a boy was thoroughly puzzled, 'for what do they need us in usa, why invited?'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 15:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't comment on ro emigres, but with su world there was a lulzy twist : 1st wave (1970s -- largely j000z!11) wrote home, 'i'ma full professor and it rocks, come on over', 2nd wave went, to discover that market -- glut, and hello cab
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: imho a++ theory. and ties in with the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-08#1667175 item also.
asciilifeform: ^ d00d was famous for, among other things, having admitted that he ate for some length of time the cat food, and had nfi what it was, aside from 'it's delish'
asciilifeform: aaa so like the hollywood chix.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, as near as i can tell plan was never to "use" in any meaningful sense, certainly not anything beyond "these are '''winners'''' of tournament market, aspire, aspire, aspire!"
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/07/british-navy-returns-to-piracy-with-seizure-of-iranian-oil-tanker-iran-points-out-their-obligation-to-retaliate-in-kind/ << Qntra -- British Navy Returns To Piracy With Seizure Of Iranian Oil Tanker, Iran Points Out Their Obligation To Retaliate In Kind
asciilifeform: even when sovok croaked, i dun recall any 'emigre dissidents' being sent back into the crater to help usgificate, rather was done by entirely other folx + locally grown axe handles
asciilifeform: i have nfi how to even calculate 'worked'. at 1 time, during reign of kennedy, plan was to draft'em into an invasion army. this was done, it was turned into mincemeat, and afaik there was never any 'plan' since
asciilifeform: they filled an entire miami with'em
mp_en_viaje: whatever, if all the morons that actually want to live in the us gather in washington to populate usg zoos, the world will be better,
mp_en_viaje: pretty lulzy alt-world menagerie the usg is building for itself.
asciilifeform: ( for the innocent: at no public function in washingtonistan is 'falung gong' ever absent, and the presence is always in the form of 2-3 platoons of chix holding up posters of where supposedly 'they take us apart alive for organs' )
mp_en_viaje: spyked, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html#selection-207.23-207.57 << is this even a good idea ? why would you want to interleave lisp and html ? how the fuck is anyone gonna debug the salad ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: found, by way of the misfortunate outing , that oddball chinese 'falung gong' cult in washingtonistan has ~300 people ~in orchestra~ alone. holyfuq.
asciilifeform: yea but this one wasn't pointed at solar corona or anyffin of the kind
BingoBoingo: Back in old country at such events there was always a certain caste of old women attending to or supervising such concessions for their ability to make change or round the damn prices.
asciilifeform: fwiw it was such a sad chunk of sadness that i regret what spent on the train ticket, not even speaking of time.
BingoBoingo: The biggest danger here with lines is when the tills run out of change. The very sad mass people movers will even have signs begging folks to buy their tickets with the 2 peso coin
asciilifeform: i can only guess that nowadays if, in this here colony, you can 'do floating point' you will work somewhere other than the scorching swamp heat selling bottles..
asciilifeform: there was even an indian d00d who offered her a 20 and 'stop counting the change for next n people omfg and move the fucking line'
asciilifeform: for that matter, where was the 'genius' who even thought to price bottle '2.73' or what it was.
asciilifeform saw an almost 'argentine'-grade scene at trump fest. wanted to buy bottle of ice water. went into queue, of six people or so. then noticed that queue dun move ~at all. assumed, like idiot, 'hm must be out of water? waiting for truck with moar?' -- then got to end of queue, and jaw dropped. vendor chix was counting change ~on calculator~. bbut! calculator ~on ipnoje~, so therefore also attending, must have, to arsebook etc. ping
asciilifeform: i recall a mp_en_viaje article where there was detailed portrait of argentine 'academic', with bow tie etc, demanding shop credit line to buy a pair of boots or what was it
asciilifeform: i.e. can't buy it with the printolade or pyramid would topple ?
asciilifeform: there's also moving parts , orcologically speaking, that asciilifeform doesn't at all understand. e.g. how , in fucktarded argentinistan, typical orc 'can't buy empanada except on layaway' but somehow flat still costs 300k(us)
mp_en_viaje: lol, watching girlparty returning ladden in groceries tryina open the door on teh security webcam thingee. will amusements never cease!
mp_en_viaje: i guess increasing salaries worst thing for the people.
asciilifeform: ( interestingly, in proper ru, i am told, not so great, 'americanization' is making inroads there )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i picture food situation much like in ro, aha. minus the rubbish trucked in from germany.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform absolutely gotta try minsk asap. evne their industrial foodstuffs are not that bad, they somehow manage to buy the machines without the evil pastes, put genuine ingredients in.
mp_en_viaje: i expect you could get yourself free drinks for rest of life in any bar of your choice here, on the strength of "i used to live in wash dc" stories.
mp_en_viaje surveys his (no doubt painstakingly reconstructed) "southern homes and gardens 1980 edition" interior, chuckles at himself.
BingoBoingo: re: tango - Replaced over here among the young by Cumbia provided the old women don't kill what's left of nightlife on their way out http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-03#1921480
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: will. and BingoBoingo as i understand piz is paying for transport ? ( rather , asciilifeform pays, asciilifeform owes piz, plox to credit it , when billed , against his tab )
mp_en_viaje: anyway, re sticks : no sticks necessary, even vaguely. sane people do the look and nod thing, like argentine tango used to work (century ago, when they still had it).
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of the (entirely fair) 'customers, motherfuckers' prod from mp_en_viaje : i'ma take the smg broadcast as official marching order re the machine delivery, and make the purchases, so we've what to sell . ( and on that front, the mips item is ready for war. i'ma also need to cuntoo . )
mp_en_viaje: nor is this peculiar burden on girl. i don't stick around in idiotlands either, once it's discovered it's also abandoned.
mp_en_viaje: girl aged <30 that manages to go through entire week without approaching ~at least~ few males and then does not leave the fucking place, is on that basis alone broken in the head to clinically relevant levesl.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, my theory is, tbh, mental heath.
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, went through all ro articles searching for reasonable terms, could not find item. im pretty sure it was english, early english. oy vey.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in sovok sphere, they in fact ~will~ talk to you. (even when abroad, in deepest swamp of washingtonistan, ru chix in crowd watching some 'occupy!11' nonsense, found somehow asciilifeform in the crowd and spoke !) they do this, the generally accepted theory is, on acct of plain demographic catastrophe .
mp_en_viaje: poland, pliable. minsk so fucking pliable they come talk to you. norway ridoinculous.
asciilifeform: ( if assange et al is anyffing to go by -- just landing there with an intact cock prolly is worth coupla thou in legal bill )
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's extended meatwot, there was a d00d who moved to norway. declared that it was on acct of some peculiar heathen music he played in a band, that is in fashion there, stayed, he said, for the pliable chix
mp_en_viaje: needless to say the experience cut stockholm off map ; and possibly copenhagen also.
mp_en_viaje: mostly other-nordic kids, who apparently are just as fucked in the head, but stuck with a more functional country against their will.
mp_en_viaje: c) these people are genuinely fucking nice to a degree not seen since costa rica. they're not usually very efectual, for systematic reasons beyond their control, but holy shit they WANNA help.
asciilifeform: this is good q -- are there even tourists in naggumistan on typical biz day
BingoBoingo: It just means if no one complains because there are no tourists, no one rocks the boat. Lest they become the sad puppy in Nordic system.
BingoBoingo: Well if you get enough puppies, they'll eventualy get tired and cuddle up for protection. This doesn't actually offer any actual protection against "the bad" no one locally wants to be.
mp_en_viaje: in other local flavour : a) never in life seen so many drunks ambling about, not even in ro 90s, not in moscow 90s, never. this place is something else. b) never before seen radical feminist hairdo that works well! they have them here, just complimented girl on her peculiar shaved sides with thick braid on top of head. cute as fuck.
asciilifeform: not even speaking of wandering mp filing lawsuit, how the fuk does something like this stay in biz for yrs
asciilifeform: tourist in any shithole country is 'king and god', i have nfi how their own ministry of tourism avoids nailing this idiot
BingoBoingo: "Wow this scamming the tourists business got awfully dangerous all of a sudden, lets go back to scamming the downtrodden"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the police report and all of the claims appear to be in order. Gotta beat the fucks and put fear into the scammers that didn't have the fortune of crossing MP.
asciilifeform: i bet losing case over even just the cost of that room would kill it
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i dun even want the dough ; i want that thing ended.
mp_en_viaje: how they live with the shame is anyone's guess ; but the norwegians have plenty to be ashamed for.
BingoBoingo: Nordic system: hardscarbble derps derping along to soften hard environment imagine the tourists want their accomodations to mimic Nordic austerity hell as well
asciilifeform: do they have equiv. of usa's 'small claims court' in naggumistan ?
mp_en_viaje: anyway, fixed the weirdness re comments
asciilifeform: and lol! they rented mp_en_viaje a janitor closet, for cost of whole flat?!!
mp_en_viaje: me either ?! nfi when or how tho
mp_en_viaje: now why the fuck are "comments closed" ?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-251.0-261.55 i think is it
BingoBoingo: Then there's http://trilema.com/2013/obama-getting-crushed-in-the-marketplace/ which hits the US crowning Obama fail
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/how-the-good-folk-at-kj%c3%b8lberggata-29b-0653-oslo-norway-dba-variously-as-central-city-apartments-kampenhotellno-reise-byra-bala-suman-balasundaram-etcetera-attempt-to-scam-me-we/ << Trilema -- How the good folk at Kjlberggata 29B, 0653 Oslo, Norway (dba variously as "Central City Apartments", "kam...no", "REISE BYR BALA SUMAN BALASUNDARAM" etcetera) attempt to scam me went ; what dealing with Oslo police is l
a111: Logged on 2019-07-05 11:15 mp_en_viaje: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-14#1918234 : BingoBoingo you must cease this 9 digit invoice thing, it's fucking up my copy/pasting. there can't be sub-satoshi divisions can there ?
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, does anyone recall the (i suspect antique) trilema piece where various things (such as, insane us medical """costs"'") were explained in terms of "whenever one party pays and another party benefits you get chaos" ?
a111: Logged on 2019-07-05 09:00 mp_en_viaje: bvt, you'll end up moving to romania, where they have fiber to the door (unlike the us, say). but the problem is... IT TAKES THEM THREE WEEKS!!!! to get a new connection in
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-05#1921613 << over here also 'to the door' BUT if you want it, yer stuck living in vehehehery small % of the ameri-landmass, it is ~unobtainable anywhere outside of major 'nuke target' cities and their suburbs
mp_en_viaje: and not THAT expensive, either.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-05 08:25 mp_en_viaje: the internet may become more alike a dream than a lived reality.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-05#1921606 << strangely enuff, it appears to be the ~only thing that actually worx better in asciilifeform's penal colony than in cr, europistan, etc. currently. ( and prolly tbf must note that this working fiber -- costs what could almost feed small orc family in ro etc )
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html << The Tar Pit -- CL-WHO demo: The Coad Pit
mp_en_viaje: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-14#1918234 : BingoBoingo you must cease this 9 digit invoice thing, it's fucking up my copy/pasting. there can't be sub-satoshi divisions can there ?
mp_en_viaje: i'm almost considering going, which'd be like the first time mustachioed advertising manages to call to action
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz : fast food across the way adverises this comical mascot, "kroshka kartoshka"
mp_en_viaje: ie, there's no real solution to the problems of women in the workforce. even antique (ie, very good, leftover) infrastructure is not enough by itself.
mp_en_viaje: bvt, you'll end up moving to romania, where they have fiber to the door (unlike the us, say). but the problem is... IT TAKES THEM THREE WEEKS!!!! to get a new connection in
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell hanbot "Dr. Nut was a soft drink produced by New Orleans-based World Bottling Company. It was introduced in the 1930s and was produced until the late 1970s."
bvt: i see, when the last person who was there when the isp was set up retires... ; the internet situation in germany is outrageous -- dsl everywhere, highest prices for shittiest quality, providers (2 or 3 that are still there) making sure that no fiber gets to the customers, etc (iirc they invested heavily in copper 'cause "isdn is the future!" in 90ties).
mp_en_viaje: god knows nobody notices ~anything even now ; and who the fuck noticed jack shit in 1980 ; or for that matter...
diana_coman: well, it'll "work" up to local isp that serves the lolcats required and nobody will even notice
mp_en_viaje: the internet may become more alike a dream than a lived reality.
mp_en_viaje: ah, i'm sure you don't. just... i am starting to suspect "internet problems" will become the fish store joke of our generation.
bvt: hello. i have also prepared a work schedule document; however internet at my workplace died this week, will post the plan as soon as the internet goes back up; the plan for next two weeks is to get to ffa14b, update asm code to it; after that, i will have a look at some other work.
mp_en_viaje: then these completely inconsequential morons come to the republic and pretend to act as if the roles are completely reversed! as if they're some kinda big deal, as if the republic were anything other than their eternal lord and master.
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2014/consent-is-a-myth-lets-see-how-it-came-to-be/#selection-309.373-309.460 for the fucking win, what can i possibly say.
mp_en_viaje: a four-nigger farm! the whole fucking discussion is about this married couple and their four niggers! they work together ten acres of shitty land, half corn, half cotton. THESE are the lofty concerns. this is what "the state" is supposed to exist atop and deal with ?
mp_en_viaje: except, of course, then we come to the actual punchline. 3 : "El equipo periodístico, integrado por una editora, un subeditor y cuatro periodistas"
mp_en_viaje: as you can see, lofty topics, aerated pretense, serious fucking problems. a clash of civilisation altogether, the hopes and dreams of hu-midity revolting against the hu-manity and its constraints! oh-wee!
mp_en_viaje: that the femstate, i say, DOES NOT EXIST, and DOES NOT MATTER. hurr. duh. omgwtfbbq, and they thought they were "periodistas", ie, cyclerers. which is somehow different from historical womanhood, they're the special cuntlets of 2019, so, so very unlikely every other generation of "grin and bear it"... empirebuilders, let's say.
mp_en_viaje: n-73.1-79.1][the natural obligation]) and i'll pay men to guard them lest anyone does the deed, and cashes the check they're writing.
mp_en_viaje: just as importantly : that "the state" and "laws and regulations", ie this complex construction of precious cuntlets supposedly there to guarantee them costless independence, ie that they can go around dressed as if they;re whores (by which "dressed" we mean -- having a cunt between the legs, that's all the dressing required for [http://trilema.com/2010/sa-invatam-limba-rusa-blyad/#selectio
mp_en_viaje: and the ~content~ of that grandiosely transmitted message, with such grandeur as we have discussed let it not be forgotten, was that the pretense to independence requires the acts of independence!!! the precious cuntlets can't place the burden of their own independence on others not even when it comes to "who calls who"! THEY have to call, if they want to be "human persons, just like men are".