alice_: i haven't figured out how to scale them up to something as syntax-complicated as javascript but i've found 80/20s pretty useful for practical infixy needs
asciilifeform: entertain one another, dear guests.
asciilifeform: i could live the rest of my life without infix, quite happily.
boolcrap: i set the bar very low for myself
alice_: afaict christopher alexander is using "pattern" to mean a basic component of language, not the thing which macros remove
boolcrap: i finally got official access to the place i am a contractor for
boolcrap: had to google, then pasted pad.
asciilifeform: macro ~removes~ pattern. as in increasing the entropy (per, say, kolmogorov, or even chaitin's criterion) of the program.
alice_: {A Pattern Language} is a book about the specific pattern language he built for architecture; http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Ecological_Building/The_Timeless_Way_of_Building_Complete.pdf is the theory book
alice_: i read http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401. it doesn't mention design patterns. i'm p sure i can guess correctly the bad thing it's complaining about, but i didn't get a model for how design patterns are a language bug
asciilifeform: i'ma read the thing anyway, because i am an 'entomologist'.
shinohai wonders if this is the alice_ he is always reading about in gpg manuals.
alice_: that's the one
asciilifeform: 'Christopher Alexander is Emeritus Professor of Architecture at the University of California, Berkeley, best known for his seminal works on architecture including A Pattern Language, Notes on the Synthesis of Form, and The Nature of Order, Volumes I-IV. He is the father of the Pattern Language movement in computer science, and A Pattern Language was perhaps the first complete book ever written in hypertext fashion.'
alice_: mm. it's a mix of theoretical and applied architecture. generalizes nicely to all of design.
alice_: hi! today i'm reading {The Timeless Way of Building}. i'm curious if you've read anything by Christopher Alexander
asciilifeform: there you are.
asciilifeform: ng yourself, and they’re fooling you. Nor will systemd be the end of it – it’s just the beginning, the setup for future changes.'
asciilifeform: 'Really, I think it’s too late for mainstream “Linux”. It’s gone. It’s done. Geeks of the world were easily fooled by a shiny new toy and a corporate propaganda campaign to match, without considering the engineering implications. You can still use a real (systemd-free) version of Linux, or move toward the BSDs, but if you stay with the easy-to-use, polished distros, you’re no longer really using Linux. You’re just fooli
asciilifeform: hoose to use corporate-maintained tools like OpenSSL, which are deeply compromised. Do you think the people responsible for HeartBleed were held accountable, and fundamental changes were made? Guess again. It’s simply ignored by most of Linux. (You’ll notice real UNIXes like OpenBSD did not ignore it and have begun serious changes. Yet even there, it took such a serious, obvious exploit for them to see the engineering problem.)'
asciilifeform: 'Remember Heartbleed? Don’t let that example escape your attention. OpenSSL is open, yet it is so large and poorly designed that it’s a dark mystery. Heartbleed was easily shown to be a deliberate hack, and was even deliberately coded to hide itself from tools that would otherwise have shown the leak. And it was sitting there in ‘open’ sight. Instead of using small, well-reviewed crypto libraries, corporate Linux developers c
asciilifeform: same fella still shouts into the wilderness, e.g., https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/ ,
asciilifeform: ( https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa )
asciilifeform: litism, simply put. The 1%. ... It’s much like politics – one wants to throw out the lot of them and start from scratch with real people. I know for a fact I don’t want either of these people working on security-related code in MY OS. Get lost, permanently!'
asciilifeform: ' Anyone who doesn’t know what he knows or who doesn’t behave/speak in the conventional way these developers speak is merely a troll, not worthy to partake in a discussion among the priests. And in his view Henson is simply too big to fail, too big to be held accountable for his actions, in this or any case, because he is part of the crypto establishment. We see these same patterns in politics and banking for example – it’s e
asciilifeform: from somewhere therein, moar gold,
asciilifeform: 'These aren't people assembled for an actual reason, as a result of merits. These are people whose merits are supposed to be predicated on the mere fact of having been assembled. Not quite the same thing.'
asciilifeform rereading vintage golden lulzies, http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-107389
a111: Logged on 2014-08-16 21:39 asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.'
asciilifeform: umably come into effect at the beginning of next year.'
asciilifeform: 'While the Data Protection Commissioner was examining the BND in Bad Aibling, the secret service ramped up its equipment for 300 million Euros. And while the Commissioner waited for an answer to her report from the Chancellery, the government drafted a reform bill for the BND that not only legalizes the organization’s actions, but even increases its powers. This legislative package is scheduled to be adopted this year and will pres
asciilifeform: 'The Data Protection Commissioner is convinced, her supervision authority also extends „to SUSLAG and its staff members“. Therefore, she wanted to inspect this core area of BND-NSA collaboration. But the BND also blocked these attempts. The Commissioner and her staff are not allowed to enter the building and not even allowed to know how many people work there...'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well even with bots the patriarchy must be established
mircea_popescu: you know this "you are very welcome daddy" think keeps reminding me of this ... i don't recall, maybe a succession of sms captions ? where a clearly competent streetwalker (of the sort that lives on street most days, checks into motel now and again) was assuring some random dude that she doesn't mind his friend beating her up.
asciilifeform: they are solely of 'harem' (vs 'forum') type.
asciilifeform: the field?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it would be a terrible application for it, for 'high assurance' you want the MINIMUM TRANSISTOR COUNT
asciilifeform: example of an actual dead end that i had to explore the hard way.
mircea_popescu: it was either horrible example made by dysfunctional brain ; or else deliberate attemt to spoke conversation wheel.
mircea_popescu: if i know they take a month i just start a month early.
asciilifeform: because the thing didn't have a multiplier.
mircea_popescu: i literally do not care if preparing the signed copies of warrants for s.mg takes a minute or a month.
asciilifeform: i have not succeeded in coming up with a 6502 rsatron that manages to generate a key before the battery (of any reasonable size) and the owner's patience give way.
mircea_popescu: yes, there is. i just gave you a few.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must point out that there is NO application where 'time does not matter'. for instance,
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/06/the-revolutions-just-keep-revolving-dont-they/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The revolutions just keep revolving don’t they.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck ? no chick wants a gf ; esp not a shitty emulation in male hardware.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why the fuck this error is so common, but it dominates anglosphere. "white knight" = dude who is trying not to be a good dude, but to be the best chick he could possibly be.
mircea_popescu: nevermind the $random-arbitrary-application.
mircea_popescu: life lesson here for you alf : you start, anything, by doing what it does well. NOT by trying and failing to do what other things do well.
mircea_popescu: there is a clear market in high assurance hardware to do things such as signing, encrypting and bitcoin payments where time is not a concern.
asciilifeform: 'lisp doesn't need i/o' -- asciilifeform's brother
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: There were no matching configuration variables.
asciilifeform: i was able to make 10baseT ethernet meet timing spec without using xilinxisms
asciilifeform: the five grand does not buy 'same as your pc', it buys something quite rather more like what is in my bolix 3620.
trinque: vs up the wall
mircea_popescu: sure. but the idea here is to build an upgraded symbolics machine ; not to build a competitor for current intel offerings.
asciilifeform: and signal here does not travel in vacuum, either.
asciilifeform: and the real boojum is that it isn't even AVAILABLE in more than 8 or so MB per die.
trinque: all roads lead to make 50 billion dollars, then cry as alf says it's not enough
mircea_popescu: if someone made a fpga-based clone of the symbolics machine that'd prolly get a bunch of people to wet their pants.
mod6: yeah, im not super clear on the whole thing.
trinque: ^ was an endeavor to bolt modern disk to the thing iirc
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 01:47 asciilifeform: i actually spent the first ~6 mo. after i bought the lisp machine, trying to rig up, with fpga, a mechanism to read the fucking disk
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-06: [00:00:01] <asciilifeform> again who the fuck needs a rustbucket that costs a dollar per metre to move??!
Framedragger: it won't do the numbering if it's just a single line, like http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:1/to:1#1
trinque: but otherwise very nice
Framedragger: on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534300 , could someone from l1 please rate scriba? it should then self-voice with deedbot if it detects no voice
asciilifeform: which was the 1 paragraph appearing earlier.
asciilifeform: beyond the statement given by usg.
asciilifeform: i will add that i have not succeeded in turning up any public record of what the vuln actually ~was~
asciilifeform: anybody got a printed, cdrom, or otherwise offline archive of 'CVE' they're willing to swear by ..?
asciilifeform: (or, alternatively, whoever plays their role!11111)
mircea_popescu: this is what, the... 5th ? case where "she reported" things she never reported ?
asciilifeform: any reason to suppose the chick doesn't exist ?
asciilifeform: incidentally the cited piece, 'minding your p's and q's', henninger et al ( https://factorable.net/weakkeys12.conference.pdf ) makes 0 mention of tropos.
asciilifeform: itical manufacturing concentrated in the United States. This vulnerability can be exploited remotely.'
asciilifeform: etwork router product line. By impersonating the device, an attacker can obtain the credentials of administrative users and perform a Man-in-the-Middle (MitM) attack. Tropos has validated the vulnerability and produced an embedded operating software update that mitigates the reported vulnerability. According to Tropos, products are deployed across several sectors including the transportation, energy, water, emergency services, and cr
asciilifeform: 'There must be no price ceiling on America's security.'
mircea_popescu: antic community and in the Western Hemisphere."
mircea_popescu: (in case anyone is curious where this nonsense starts, see eg point 2 of the "basic, specific positions" : "2. The vital need of our foreign policy is new political creativityleading and inspiring the formation, in all great regions of the free world, of confederations, large enough and strong enough to meet modern problems and challenges. We should promptly lead toward the formation of such confederations in the North Atl
mircea_popescu: also in the news, cancer has no organs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these two items are not distinct.
mircea_popescu: the guy was not shot. this is supposedly a country.
asciilifeform: it is not part of the 'monkey' net that includes 'corporate sites' etc.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : when nixon and rockefeller were negotiating the treaty of fifth avenue, nixon's / gop's "platform committee" was in a hotel in chicago. they were on the phone for four hours ; but midway, as midnight came by, THE HOTEL OPERATOR PULLED THE PLUG AND WENT HOME.
asciilifeform: tropos is part of the 'vertical and horizontal' thing, in the sense where it is one of two dozen or so 'partners' for making sure that usg knows daily output, in millilitres, of oil well in venezuela, or that if texas breaks away from the ussa, it will not have working sewage pumps, etc.
asciilifeform: (their test plant ?)
asciilifeform: prolly where the most tropos per /16 block on planet3...
mircea_popescu: maybe that's where the cosmic rays are.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:536/to:536#536 << eh fuck 'em, let them read the log like everyone else.
mircea_popescu: but can they accelerate in apprehending!
mircea_popescu: eh, i'm sure there's something somewhere.
asciilifeform: these are transformer farms, water pumps, security cams, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these aren't 'corporate sites'
mircea_popescu: somebody should wipe some harddrives / deface some corporate sites so there's something here to qntra
asciilifeform: what was not (publicly) known is that they had own version of soviet toy crypto 'gost'.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:464/to:464#464 << basically, the republic's mesh already exists, it's called "smart cities" and is used to run the surveillance and etc of the lizard empire.
mircea_popescu: aaaand in other news, hanbot makes some kickass encilladas.
asciilifeform: they are controlled with 'industry partnerships', like this one.
asciilifeform: apparently they have a considerable market share in public surveillance cams and the like.
asciilifeform: 'Our launch of the TropOS 6420, an outdoor broadband mesh router designed to enhance physical security applications in electric utility T&D substations, was a timely endeavor given recent high-profile vandalism and sabotage events. '
asciilifeform: provide wireless network products and services to support advanced metering infrastructure (AMI) communications. This two-way technology is the foundation of the smart grid. ...'
asciilifeform: 'Memphis, Tennessee is known for rock ‘n roll and slow-cooked barbeque, but those aren’t the only good things coming out of Bluff City. Soon, residents will enjoy the perks of a successful smart grid rollout, too. In an effort to modernize the grid and enhance internal operations and customer service, Memphis Light, Gas and Water is deploying 1 million smart meters within its 784 square mile service area. ABB has been selected to
asciilifeform: t fired the gun which can accelerate in apprehending and convicting individuals involved in the illicit activity.'
asciilifeform: 'Gunshot detection, alert and location identification – when a substation is attacked by gunfire it can result in significant damage to equipment and risk the safety of workers on site. A gunshot detection system typically can identify the type of firearm as well as the exact location from which it was fired. If video cameras are configured as part of the gunshot detection system, they may offer a visual image of the individual tha
asciilifeform: 'Around-the-clock monitoring of physical security at transmission and distribution substations can be a key factor in minimizing damage from a wide range of threats that are becoming more commonplace. It is well documented that unauthorized access to utility substations can result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in financial losses as well as cause power outages. Unauthorized access may cause such damage as a result of theft of m
asciilifeform: gotta wonder how this find will be treated by the 'controllers of the vertical and the horizontal'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-02 18:41 mircea_popescu: because if we discover that say "thisfunction is used on 64 bits of input of which the first 44 are known" ; then we run the other 20, add the resulting nextprime etc add those into the 8ball and it's goodnight.
asciilifeform: it stands to reason that the entire line of routers of each type listed here is poppable. and, conceivably, all of the products from the vendors mentioned.
asciilifeform: ^ in case anyone wasn't tuned in, these are all animals from the http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored zoo ^
asciilifeform: the mexican boxes. also huawei.
asciilifeform: that's the one with SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u3 .
asciilifeform: 'SmartAX MA5600T is the global first all-in-one access platform which can provide DSL and optical integrated access. It can provide high density ADSL2+, VDSL2, POTS, ISDN, GPON, Ethernet fiber P2P and Cable access, triple-play service, and TDM/ATM/Ethernet leased line services for business customers. '
asciilifeform: (how i know this is left as exercise for the reader.0
a111: Logged on 2016-09-02 18:21 trinque: asciilifeform: people generate their ssh privkey on the box *to which* they're connecting?
trinque: ordered by the president, offensive cyberoperations."
trinque: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-chinese-servers-seen-as-spy-peril.html?hp&_r=0 << "But the plans went further: to exploit Huawei’s technology so that when the company sold equipment to other countries — including both allies and nations that avoid buying American products — the N.S.A. could roam through their computer and telephone networks to conduct surveillance and, if
asciilifeform: tropos: 'MetroMesh is a network architecture, based upon the Tropos System Architecture, for building Smart Cities. Smart Cities utilize MetroMesh to build metro-area wireless broadband networks for municipal applications utilizing open-standard radios and IP communications. A common physical infrastructure can be leveraged to support multiple municipal applications including Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS), Advanced Meteri
asciilifeform: ^ quite a few of these ^
asciilifeform: in other noose,
mircea_popescu: moreover, and more amusingly : notwithstanding pretenses of equality with russia, put forth on the very ridiculous basis of trying to compare bezzle-gdp of say italy with actual gdp of extractive economy ; the us is altogether not the equal of saudi arabia.
mircea_popescu: the very same's true of "states", whatever that may mean.
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] Matthew 22:24 :: Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 16:39 asciilifeform: there is ~unbroken strand of this, almost through ww2.
mircea_popescu: it's not specifically said he should tell them with his penis, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: this survives as late and far away as in ww2 anglo fictions, such as seen in cinema. dead guy wants his brother [in arms] to go to his gf and "tell her" things.
mircea_popescu: bible is rather explicit on the point that if your brother dies, you're stuck with the widow.
mircea_popescu: "marry them."
mircea_popescu: if a) men are the structure and also b) men are not cowardly then necessarily you will end up with desperate female lines.
mircea_popescu: in other random news, avunculate marriage, while commended by teh jews, nevertheless is forbidden by the muslims. most of the world follows the latter rather than the former, except argentina, australia an' russia.
asciilifeform: trinque: the compiler thing deserves its own thread.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: at one of my recent salt mine gigs, there was an after-hours club thing where folks would bring in and find (trivial) vulns in those.
Framedragger: heh, yeah. (though, plenty of chinese IoT crap out there, too)
asciilifeform: ^ this isn't wholly accurate. they also exist to give a repeatable zero to the mechanism. (otherwise mechanical switch would suffice.)
Framedragger: ...but maybe instead of reliability they offer you push notifications to your Android CNC App (tm), and share buttons to social networks?..
asciilifeform: (in ~unrelated noose, asciilifeform went looking to buy a box of proximity switches, for cnc box. they are sorta like thumb-sized metal detectors with 1 bit of output. and ALL OF the extant offers come with 'this is chinese turd, randomly fails.' and consider, these exist SOLELY to keep large, expensive iron from colliding with itself...)
mircea_popescu: there is no genuine strong woman in soviet cinematography, except for the occasional bit part playing "nazis".
mircea_popescu: similar to how all the "online marketeering" derps run businesses consisting of selling "informational products" to themselves ?
asciilifeform: but what in sov planet was analogous to these ?
asciilifeform: these, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know what the "independent business" ideas of the useless twentysomething middle class chick all revolve around selling handmade junk on social media sites ?
mircea_popescu: and it even includes the "strong" female by scriptorial diktat, who otherwise behaves exactly like a little etsy bitch.
mircea_popescu: minus the ages, it's almost exact copy.
mircea_popescu: i recently watched fracture, which has all the might of a. hopkins and all around decent acting + good screenplay. except, of course, produced by the same people who keep pushing the same old stakhanovist retardation, as in eg http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:35/to:35#35
a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 16:37 mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be noted that gorgo is supposed to marry a GOOD man, not just any man. and the definition of goodness is at the very least shared by leonidas, if not outright sourced from him.
asciilifeform: there is ~unbroken strand of this, almost through ww2.
mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be noted that gorgo is supposed to marry a GOOD man, not just any man. and the definition of goodness is at the very least shared by leonidas, if not outright sourced from him.
mircea_popescu: generally they get eaten.
mircea_popescu: shall i quote the greek ?
mircea_popescu: that women will survive after their man has died.
mircea_popescu: the testament of european-ity, as embodied by the greeks ; and later (1500s!) finally inherited by the italians is simply this :
mircea_popescu: and actually ABOVE the bar for its allegible predecessor, bitcoin-otc ?
mircea_popescu: are you aware the bar for people getting into eulora now, whom you despise for their inferiority, is EXACTLY EQUAL to the bar of this thing right here, years ago ?
mircea_popescu: lol! review the history. the bar in 2016 is "make a bot" ; the bar in 2014 was "get a gpg key".
mircea_popescu: quite identical, yes. except for the superficial parts you hate.
asciilifeform: there is no 'stranger can connect and blow difficulty'.
asciilifeform: i will observe that, e.g., new york times front page, has 1,001 new faux-people every morning. whereas here we get 0. and so in principle the problem is tractable.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: l0l
mircea_popescu: and by language we don't mean dogshit from china/india/the pacific islands and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of language is that it allows this sort of analysis.
mircea_popescu: oh. well, the same way everything else is done, you match against the structure and increment a counter.
asciilifeform: 'esteemed sir, the defective transistors were packaged separately for your convenience.'
asciilifeform: the counting, i mean.
mircea_popescu: do you ever count how much of this "i want this not that therefore the facts are so and so" you do in an average day ?
mircea_popescu: the talking heads are 0cost faux people ; and most of their subject matter, from hussein bahamas down.
asciilifeform: these aren't people.
mircea_popescu: and to revisit <asciilifeform> fact is, enemy has not yet devised a means of making faux people at 0cost. : please watch the news sometime.
mircea_popescu: but the whole fucking point of technology is to broadly open new cunts.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the "suffices" thing is all a matter of who's attacking you and why. keeping each other's balances in excel spreadsheets also "Suffices".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no "kind" you racist lout you.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes asciilifeform has a point in that penis makes for a fine way to make friends. the thing is that as i near 40, i'd dearly love some alternative method. this thing won't last forever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't grasp the need for a global 'humanity filter.' working wotronics implies that folks will assortively peer by degree of muppetry, and this imho suffices.
mircea_popescu isn't in the business of driving people nuts.
mircea_popescu: trinque my shit is uniquely confusing. i call them slaves, because it is the proper term. yet they have more personal freedom and general, intellectual and otherwise independence than any "liberated" hear-her-roar-in-english-only.
mircea_popescu: and of course, the discussion is carried in terms of go but isn't ABOUT go. it's about "human only tasks"
mircea_popescu: the issue of "muppet" is complicated.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now there is a 'complicated' 'let's talk for five minutes'.
trinque did wonder about the magic which kept many women in close quarters with each other without killing each other
mircea_popescu: now there isn't really.
mircea_popescu: prior to the sedol debacle, there was a simple "let's play go" solution to human vs machine
asciilifeform: there is no risk of a mechanical mircea_popescutron.
asciilifeform: i dun see how the go machine relates.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but with the go algo it's come pretty damned close.
mircea_popescu: fuck that. i been there, done that, it's enough to run a smallish trown and no more.
mircea_popescu: ie, "you just want to and someone else gotta do the work now"
mircea_popescu: that the problem recurses to oldkey now.
asciilifeform: incidentally what the hell is wrong with 'i won't answer message from $newkey unless an $oldkey vouched for him' ?
mircea_popescu: the reality of the wot is that it provides the tools to make, perhaps, attacks unfeasibly costly. PERHAPS.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's the whole delusion of wot, in the minds of aspiring shamans such as yourself.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason you feed your horse with your own hand, even if you don't have to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~entire point of wotronics is to eliminate 'field of worms as far as the eye can see in all directions' as a thing of this world.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger people want, sensibly, to reduce the things they worry about. however, they often get confused in between things they could not worry about but have to, and things they can't not worry about but don't have to.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 15:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:150/to:150#150 << if you go to all the trouble of building multiple freestanding items, why then vulnerabilize them so. the idea is to take the bikeshed out, not import it forever.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1534898 << i guess that *would* then be a truly single point of failure, in terms of historical reliability, hm. not an easy problem
asciilifeform: quite certainly not. but if he is found worthy by all concentric N circles of L_n wot arount razi, then he is worth testing.
mircea_popescu: the discussion is carried from your pov. you observe an endless field of worms. what next ?
asciilifeform: to get through 10,000,001 enemy meat puppets, the would-be proselyte will have to fight his way through jungle, desert, etc.
mircea_popescu: the weakness of this scheme is exactly as described : fuzzing and the binary tree propagates a few through it all the way to you.
mircea_popescu: the thing you do not wish to say, because you do not wish it to be turned to dust under scrutiny, is that razi is either dead, or else depends on sub-razis-1 through n
a111: Logged on 2014-10-16 00:01 asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.
mircea_popescu: well if you won't read and address the points there we'll have to stop here, i'm not restating it.
asciilifeform: spam raises the bar to 'i want to be a man', yes. but cannot raise it infinitely high.
mircea_popescu: the moment you stop this, you're too old for life.
mircea_popescu: so then your gossipd just died ?
mircea_popescu: yes. but how do you distinguish the one that isn't, from the one that merely appears not to be, from the other 9999 ?
mircea_popescu: spam was always point-driven. it's easy to fight the man who wants to steal.
asciilifeform: (for the most part, i don't. except that one time there was this odd parrot-like... etc)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523269 << re-read this, and think about it. if i want to attack you, i make literally a trillion names ; then i sort them in binary tries like that ; then i send them to chatter at you.
asciilifeform: same way i distinguish between the birds in my oak tree.
mircea_popescu: no, he's be using the algo that beat sedol to create as many accounts as his electricity can power, and fuzz everyone out.