mircea_popescu: lulzy intro : ro construction codes throughout fully banned aluminum wiring, to the point they'd hang you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't the shitmetal in this case.
mircea_popescu: nobody asks you to use the cheapest fucking potmetal you can find.
asciilifeform: and i mist dispute that 'others got right'. the ~correct~ wire for an item like this is ~coiled~ like old telephone cord. and is afaik available nowhere.
asciilifeform: but looks quite the same.
asciilifeform: they have replaceable mains ends though, so the death happens on the low voltage dc side.
mircea_popescu: except by these despicable monkeys.
asciilifeform: becomes brittle, like lathe cutter.
mircea_popescu: point remains this is one of the most basic items of civilisation. it's been gotten right by most cultures throughout the many decades.
asciilifeform: should i give it away, or did he already find the key that opens this chest.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 12:59 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/industria-argentina-or-my-life-among-the-tribal-savages/ << Trilema - Industria Argentina, or my life among the tribal savages.
asciilifeform: what's the trick?
mircea_popescu: they figured that out.
mircea_popescu: obv, the dumb had something to steal the smart wanted. there'd be no story otherwise.
mircea_popescu: it's zeus, a sort of nero, the overpowerful lucky bastard.
mircea_popescu: but anyway - the greek idea of gods doesn't have them as a sort of christian deity, omnipotent, all wise etc. it's not fucking allah.
Framedragger: true that. goes the extra way to fuck women, metamorphosis and all, so i'll give him that tho
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so the myth was reinterpreted, by later imbeciles, who don't even speak greek.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary - he stole it to the sort of retards who'd pick the large pile of bones skins and fat
Framedragger: (or so the myth is interpreted anyway right?)
mircea_popescu: not really. there's no record that he went and gave it to retards.
mircea_popescu: it... isn't. it fucking isn't. the point of technology is the complete and utter oppression of idiots.
Framedragger: and gossipd without any auth whatsoever wouldn't really be that? in all honesty, i should reread the spec, which is probably outdated, and log search sucks, fml
mircea_popescu: i dunno when or why the prevailing notion of "software" and "technology", at least in english and its dominions, became "it is for to make ordinary people (ie, rank imbeciles) like gods!"
mircea_popescu: the point here isn't to make idiots more powerful.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so you do everyone the favour of taking out the lazy "terrorist" groups ? thank you ?
Framedragger: besides, they'd get confused themselves, what with deliberately no message authenticity; and we shall have a good time. am i stretching here?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: how about i (an nsa employee, say) just make a filter which grabs all observed gossipd traffic (packet timing or w/e, and if it's an actually new transmission protocol, then supreme joy is me) and send it for further analysis. i shall assume that while it's not certain which messages are legit and which are not, the offending t3rr0rist group is too lazy to transmit proper false positives to provide noise,
Framedragger: yes this is lulzy and a disservice and i agree the reputation is not insanely great.., so to speak.
mircea_popescu: for instance by rejecting outliers in a set. what you're doing then, in proper terms, is saying "since we have all this space left in the hierarchy cube, how about we use it to improve the dataset while still pretending it's just a sheet"
mircea_popescu: in fact, it's even aware of this ; and it has some (primitive, axe hewn) methods to use the proper space to "improve" its data
mircea_popescu: but, importantly, statistics works on datapoints - which are each as much a datapoint as all the others ! this is major.
mircea_popescu: (note however that "statistical models" are so horrible in doing simple things such as "election outcome" prediction as to not lend much credence to this theory.)
mircea_popescu: that's the otp-likeness contemplated, you know the place where this is discussed in the logs ?
Framedragger: btw wouldn't "nothing signed" gossipd reality actually be not "only among chosen clique" but rather "only chosen among clique [so, okay, not for all] plus whoever listens to internet backbone including all teh agencies"?
asciilifeform: much of what i've been doing in the mathematics room for past year has been to try to give this frying pan a handle.
mircea_popescu: in short, i oppose the socially destructuring, anti elitist and equalitarian nature of signatures.
mircea_popescu: gossipd does "for friends ears only". and the only way to make sure that can't happen, si by signing things. because once signed, they're definitionally for everyone equally well.
mircea_popescu: it's not that i'm against signatures or anything of the sort. it's just that i understand their domain. an item is signed when the auctorial intention is "for this to stand now and forever to any and all who may come".
mircea_popescu: signatgures have their utility. they have been (perhaps deliberately, in any case stupidly) misused by the usg.cypherpunk "movement".
Framedragger: semi-orthogonal (but not too orthogonal): ditching the conceptual level for a second and thinking about mundane reality, would a new transport layer even *work* given current internet infrastructure? there are problems with ICMP traffic on some ISPs (sure, ISPs should die anyway, and esp. those i hear you say.) this can be tested to some extent, hm.
mircea_popescu: (redundancy for v - meant strictly in the sense of, an alternative to moving tarball by hand)
mircea_popescu: now, taking a tiny incremental step by providing redundancy for v while at the same time trying a udp implementation si a very sensible move at this juncture.
mircea_popescu: but all this stuff aside, back to the important point here : the "gossipd-like" thing contemplated for moving signed material (ie, v stuff) around is very much a different beast from the actual gossipd, which doesn't work on signed material ; presumably doesn't work on tcp etc.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/industria-argentina-or-my-life-among-the-tribal-savages/ << Trilema - Industria Argentina, or my life among the tribal savages.
asciilifeform: though iirc this was in another mircea_popescutronic production
mircea_popescu: in the sense of how we implemented log bots that work, on the basis of whatever was there before, which apparently didn't work, or at least didn't work as well or w/e.
asciilifeform: this digression is unfortunately needed. because it exposes the point i was making earlier.
mircea_popescu: nobody afaik starts discussion of new car model with "Suppose the islamists invade our plant"
asciilifeform: sketch the parachute here plox
mircea_popescu: (not to mention - you brought it up, entirely ungermane to the discussion, so you can't now detrimentally rely on it.)
asciilifeform: i dun expect other folks to do my work in my place, no.
Framedragger: hm there *is* https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7413 for "send data in packet with syn flag already", in truth; haven't touched it tho
Framedragger: then the argument does admittedly slide a little: yes okay, this is great that it can't be DoS'd that easily when the time comes; and yet it still has to parse multiple packets before it determines that hey, i don't know this fingerprint.
asciilifeform: see, right now we have 'cheat' in the sense that fleanode allows mircea_popescu to manually control access to deedbot .
mircea_popescu: just because owner currently automated a hole into the ship doesn't mean that hole doesn't come with a pre-made hatch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes restate the whole thing. apparently there's a knot somewhere.
mircea_popescu: it does currently extend the courtesy of replying to unknowns, but this is not required.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [12:36:29] <mircea_popescu> except a working model of 1 is already both deployed and theoretically understood, as described above.
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#343 << isn't the reason it's currently able to do that (send otps to check) is because it's not interesting enough so parties flood it with bogus requests and generally DoS it to shreds?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but, to briefly rewind, << and following. static linking, not dynamic linking. your "the mechanism described in mircea_popescu's sketch." symbol is not acceptabru.
asciilifeform: one is to banish mosquitoes from the atmosphere. for which -- single-packet 'man or mosquito' litmus is required.
asciilifeform: but, to briefly rewind, there are two wholly separate concerns here and should be drawn separately.
asciilifeform: what's there to break?
asciilifeform: it does NOT follow the nothing-to-allcomers principle.
mircea_popescu: understand, from the fact you observe deedbot has accepted my order you do not know anything other than that - to DEEDBOT it is acceptable. ie, you're uysing a priest. this is fine.
asciilifeform: there are several ways to cut this knot, but thus far i am not satisfied with any
mircea_popescu: except a working model of 1 is already both deployed and theoretically understood, as described above.
asciilifeform: a working gossipd must combine two seemingly-contradictory features: 1) friend-or-foe identification on single packet - no such thing as ddos or replay remains possible -- 2) enemy on the wire can learn nothing about relation graph.
mircea_popescu: shinohai we'rte talking from the pov of the lord not the pleb here. priest does exactly as told or else fucks goats in the receptive sense of the term.
mircea_popescu: if you have signed matter, then definite things can be said. otherwise - you need a priest.
mircea_popescu: the "decrypt to whatever you want" part is not about the rsagram itself, but about the structure of relationships.
asciilifeform: its true key, should it ever turn up, is distinguishable from any other bitstring.
mircea_popescu: you're switching things. the point is that deedbot knows it is really me ; not vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: here's the handshake : syn -> 5db1fee4b5703808c48078a76768b155b421b210c0761cd6a5d223f4d99f1eaa -> 1337 -> ack.
mircea_popescu: yeah, they are. much like deedbot distinguishes above.
mircea_popescu: this is not only a ridiculous hope, but contrary to design principle. the point of gossipd is that he sees.
asciilifeform: a gossipd link of degree 1 ( 'private message' in mircea_popescu's version of the sketch ) operates on signed matter
mircea_popescu: well, the principal difference between gossipd-for-v and gossipd-proper is that v operates on signed matter exclusively ; gossipd-proper operates on unsigned matter exclusively.
mircea_popescu: eventually they separate, if they do, or the nodule dies off/gets resorbed in the main trunk, or the trunk dies off and the nodule continues it instead, or or or.
mircea_popescu: most designs suffer a lot of changes when one tries to actually implement them, which is why prototypes exist in the first place.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well the whole point is to stop wondering.
Framedragger: right. wonder if it's any harder to have the p2p part be separate. it can create a local mountpoint which would just be additional folders/files for V to process
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we crash over an island, and have no rifle, it is still unwise to bolt-shit-to-side of the imagined rifle we lack together.
mircea_popescu: the concerns can be separated... latger.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this "separation of concerns" objection would have a lot more meat on its imaginary bones if there actually eixsted any sort of gossipd. as there doesn't, the objection has no legs to stand on.
asciilifeform: *the
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [00:55:24] <mod6> This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn't make it a one-button-push solution. Why? A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#23 << yes mod6 but to clarify : "one button" refers to the situation where the user already has a trusted copy of V, and a .sig directory populated as per his taste. these are part of the definition of identity, and going forward can and should be assumed present.
mircea_popescu: we could make it work on udp, and initiate sessions through encrypting a large prime to the destination's key or some equivalent implementation, so we get to test alf's new-internet-order ideas also.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [06:35:04] <Framedragger> will make it so previous links on e.g. your site don't break; just that default links generated when clicking don't include the thing
Framedragger: will make it so previous links on e.g. your site don't break; just that default links generated when clicking don't include the thing
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537575 << this ties in very neatly the never-ending thread about the meaning and definition of intelligence, particularly the angle about 'intelligent' being best used to describe an individual's actions ex post facto. injun is a genius only for as long as his world is of low complexity. when whitey comes over and opens pandora's box on his ass, complexity explodes and
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537529 << and how would mr. "i'd love to wank off but the gurlz would be too angry" know this exaclty ? little birdie whispered in his ear ? :p
pete_dushenski: nvm that jalopnik is a gawker property. if you stick with their hungarian writers, particularly peter orosz and mate petrany, you'll learn some mega-nifty and uber-arcane shit.
pete_dushenski: huh, archive.is missed some pics on the 2nd link. here the original then : http://jalopnik.com/these-were-your-car-options-in-hungary-under-the-soviet-1545678388
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 18:37 mircea_popescu: at least hungarians know they've been cursed with stupid.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537513 << hell, they embrace it. their cars are ~the weirdest on the planet. some credit Béla Barényi with the original vw beetle design, which obviously also spawned the legendary porsche 911.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:40 asciilifeform: 'Data coming from true random number generators is never 100% random. I am aware of no exceptions. Whitening is required in all cases before the data is suitable for use in cryptography.' << from first link
pete_dushenski: obviously, "i told you so" and $5 will buy you coffee. and that it used to be $2 for coffee is neither here nor there.
pete_dushenski: re: taleb, it's also worth noting that way back in 2014 i was ~the sole voice saying that camgirl vids weren't going to turn his crank and bring him here, in the face of "oh but he's still a dude, pete" opposition, no less. whereas alf regularly gets to say "i told you so" whenever another flaw in the shitstack of personal computing is revealed, or mp whenever another usg muppet hoists himself on his own
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:14 PeterL: speaking of books, mircea_popescu have you read "The Prince" by Machiavelli? I have been reading it and for some reason it made me think of you (though I expect you would read it in the original Italian?)
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537375 << there are a few references on contravex as well. eg. http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/24/bitcoin-year-in-review-2014-the-price-went-down-so-we-prepared-for-war/#footnote_8_1928
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 16:34 asciilifeform: http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/256205-thumb/AirPods-header.jpg << is it just me or do these look like... smokes ?
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537331 << as with pack of gum, it's not a bad little psychological tactic, this. gets (l)users to experience the pringles-esque "once you pop you can't stop" phenomenon.
pete_dushenski: both are ~$60/hr if anyone cares to compare their geography at home
pete_dushenski: strange market forces observation of the day : moving guys (ie. pure muscle) command the same going rate as qualified plumbers (ie. skilled trade). perhaps both are equally scarce relative to demand, or else the mover's rates just appear higher due to higher-than-plumber overhead (trucks, mechanics, garages, etc.). either way, it's always fun to figure out how the cookie crumbles.
pete_dushenski: anyways, enjoyable thread there.
pete_dushenski: blaming the 'atmosphere' on the modest (but non-zero!) number of folks walking through the #trilema door is akin to blaming 'society' that you can't get an erection. it's not the talking head's fault that your wife's ugly.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 18:58 asciilifeform: boeck et al is to reduce the risk that taleb shows up here. etc
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537558 << as you'll note in http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/29/waiting-for-taleb/ , taleb isn't here for ~cultural~ reasons. not usgkultur either, but his proudly flashed mediterranean levantine orthodox roots. boeck has as much influence on this as antelope have on italian soda fizziness.
mod6: ah, ok then. have a good night.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i dun think the one button push got cancelled.
mod6: <+trinque> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1537908 << this may point to the whole thing having too much "end user friendly" concern << fair enough, but many moons ago it was requested that it be a one-button-push launch.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1537908 << this may point to the whole thing having too much "end user friendly" concern
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 02:17 mod6: i'll see where i can get to with this new idea. however, a person would have to do this to build the entire thing: get v; verify v; put vpatches, seals, and keys in place; press; then navigate to pressed dir, then `make`.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1537881 << presence of the sync command simplifies this neh?
phf: asciilifeform: have you tried contacting one of the dedicated bible printing shops? they could possibly do a small batch for you. spend int, sell the rest through wot
asciilifeform: (though laser paper burns atrociously, it is treated with fire retardant so that to survive the fuser)
phf: one day orcs perhaps will use it to last through the night, as a kindle
asciilifeform: clhs wants to live on the thin, glossy paper that bibles were once printed on.
asciilifeform: phf: yes. it's the one nobody can print into 1 b00k
asciilifeform: the one just linked
asciilifeform: phf: hilariously, i've been trying to buy the dead tree for eons
phf: fwiw dpans has a copy of tex source, first or second to last draft before the standard was sent over to ansi. there's two projects that cleanup that tex, one is dpans2texi which produces texinfo formatted (this is what i use from emacs) and another by some russians that produces a clean pdf with hyperlinks
asciilifeform: in all fairness, the lisp world was hit by the equivalent of thermonuke war, and buncha stuff was lost / mixed up / dusted over.
mircea_popescu: the ~only possible interpretation is that people simply suck at knowing what they got.
asciilifeform: given as the thing PREDATES HTML
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 21:44 gabriel_laddel: I'm translating the spec from HTML to CLIM.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537758 << i never understood why the thing was published as html and not as a sexpr thing that gets htmlificated when you like
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 21:58 mircea_popescu: wait, the clim authoritative spec exists as a html ?!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537772 << before clim, common lisp's authoritative spec exists as... dead tree. while the version that ~everyone actually works from is html. because no, it is unusable without hyperlinking. >> http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front
mod6: the setup of v; verify v; place everything where it needs to go, etc.
asciilifeform: was there a major point ?
mod6: not a problem then.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> " then navigate to pressed dir, " << i mean. << ah, ok yeah one ~might~ be able to do that. not an expert on make tho.
mod6: which, seems to be the "pistols" way
mircea_popescu: " then navigate to pressed dir, " << i mean.
mod6: well, one would still need to press everything out, which includes the source and makefiles in this case.
asciilifeform: boolcrap: looks like anyone you remember from the old dayz ?
mod6: i'll see where i can get to with this new idea. however, a person would have to do this to build the entire thing: get v; verify v; put vpatches, seals, and keys in place; press; then navigate to pressed dir, then `make`.
mircea_popescu: in other news, who mentioned pull chord ? http://66.media.tumblr.com/a2030738cf42c481f0ba7412b18b0c81/tumblr_oa73fsi0hH1v01y6oo1_1280.jpg
mod6: i could go on here.. but let's just say i didn't think it all the way through.
mod6: yeah, after discussing with myself in here mainly, i'm not in love with that solution either.
mircea_popescu: the early history of v is shrowded in chaos./
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at one point we had 3 (then 2) quite separate types of builder.
mircea_popescu: ok let's approach it this way : what is so special about the make files that they get their own tree ? why not say, all .c files get their own, all .h files get their separate own ? inasmuch as you can't use the makefiles without the sources, they belong in the same tree as the sources.
asciilifeform: ^ the right thing.
mod6: anyway, i might be able to get it so that you press the tree, including the makefiles, and then just build.
mod6: well it's earliest implementation, was a clone of our build scripts, which, used V to pull and press the source.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:52:51] <mod6> this is because the makefile process does it's own V press.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:59:57] <mod6> Altogether, since we have V, I like the idea of keeping things like makefiles and buildscripts out of the main source tree. One can get V, press the makefile project. Run a `make`, which will in-turn, press everything via V and then build with buildroot.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#1163 << so then every time you try to get software running you have to two two presses, one of makefiles, one of sourcefiles ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:52:51] <mod6> this is because the makefile process does it's own V press.
asciilifeform: try in the classic log ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [19:19:02] <mircea_popescu> yeah but the wrong one.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:998/to:1163#998 << so then every time you try to get software running you have to two two presses, one of makefiles, one of sourcefiles ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [19:19:02] <mircea_popescu> yeah but the wrong one.
boolcrap: they got lots of peanut bars and seltzer water
asciilifeform: boolcrap: how's the gulag ?
mod6: i've got: 72.83.9.184 listed on the foundation site. is it back up now with different ip alf?
asciilifeform: pre-dates the ~last~ fiber cut, heh.
mod6: The simplest solution would be to perhaps have a deedified tarball of makefiles, much like trinque already has, get the deed, verifiy it, decode it, extract it, navigate to the make script and `make`.
mod6: This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn't make it a one-button-push solution. Why? A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
mod6: Well, if it could be done without having to move anything that is already in place (as far as bitcoin is concerned), then it might work out alright.
mod6: It would probably need some tweaks in there ... hmm.
shinohai: Seriously mod6 it's coming along great, today's makefile build was so easy these Eulora noobs could probably do it.
mod6: so, im not 100% off the top of my head, but getting rid of the two rotor build script and integrating that portion into our makefiles ~might~ resolve at least part of the source redundancy issue.
mod6: oh yeah, we're not reall messing with any of that stuff. stator hasn't been a part of the 'orchastra' for some time now.
asciilifeform: the pre-musl 'stator'
asciilifeform: the OLD build is obsolete
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 00:28 mod6: oh, if you're saying that the rotor is no longer needed, i can agree with that. to an extent anyway.
mod6: the two .sh scripts you have in there can be integrated into the makefiles directly i think. however, we'll still need the openssl-004-musl-termios.patch and rotor_buildroot_dot_config
mod6: oh, if you're saying that the rotor is no longer needed, i can agree with that. to an extent anyway.
mod6: I can't make heads or tails out out of what you're saying there asciilifeform.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 23:46 mod6: It was my first hunch, during a pre-emptive go around with this to not place the makefiles in with current source base -- as pressed out via V.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537788 << at one time rotor was not the only builder, and so i cut'em off
mod6: Altogether, since we have V, I like the idea of keeping things like makefiles and buildscripts out of the main source tree. One can get V, press the makefile project. Run a `make`, which will in-turn, press everything via V and then build with buildroot.
mod6: I think that keeping the Makefiles as a separate V tree would keep things a lot more clean.
mod6: Anyway, I bring this up because if we're determined to stick with this plan; the Makefiles included with the bitcoin source, then there is another ball of wax that needs to be discussed.
mod6: this is because the makefile process does it's own V press.
mod6: The problem is here, that when you run `make`, it'll build everthing under: build/rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src despite the fact that the source is really under src/
mod6: When creating a makefile vpatch (for examplehttp://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ebmj3/?raw=true), and then you press this out, you end up with something like this:
mod6: We discussed this, it was Mr. P.'s hunch that these should belong together (I hope I'm remembering this correctly), and I saw the wisdom in that.
mod6: It was my first hunch, during a pre-emptive go around with this to not place the makefiles in with current source base -- as pressed out via V.
shinohai takes down the samovar to make tea for this discussion.
BingoBoingo: ^ More other news
mircea_popescu: aaaand in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/c2ba427794f9125fa67e4c873463f556/tumblr_nrry0fyBYY1uwmvxto1_400.gif
BingoBoingo: ^ The silence is wonder
mircea_popescu: wait, the clim authoritative spec exists as a html ?!
gabriel_laddel: Fucking Yegge and everyone else who was involved with CL, even tangentially did a huge disservice to the language. He (and rich hicky) complains and complains about issues that can be solved with a few macros.
mircea_popescu: oh that was the other thing! "soylent". ran by some douchy dood with all sorts of "gonzo" marketing ideas, vaguely reminescent of the airbnb clowns.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 21:35 mircea_popescu: (apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
trinque: thought it was another recent thread.
trinque: ah not in that case though. mod6 has perfectly legitimate interest there, and so do I.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 23:27 trinque: all roads lead to make 50 billion dollars, then cry as alf says it's not enough
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535380 < also, glad to see someone reads the logs. These new n00bs don't seem to be aware of ~any past discussions.
gabriel_laddel: I'm translating the spec from HTML to CLIM.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: what's new in the mclim-mines
BingoBoingo: One can also buy "power bars" in bulk and not regret their life choices as they eat mostly read food with the occasional "power bar"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 02:09 asciilifeform: http://www.mealsquares.com << turns out - they do exist.
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1536791 < they're not bad. ~A power bar you buy in bulk.
gabriel_laddel: Hey there. On a much better connection today.
BingoBoingo: The ones that don't require sarcasm
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe, but from the lie flow many truths!
a111: Logged on 2015-07-30 19:42 ascii_field: trinque: virtually everything printed in english re: north kr is a bold-faced lie out of the mouth of south kr
BingoBoingo: ^ backdoor election update, in the pooper
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 16:34 asciilifeform: http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/256205-thumb/AirPods-header.jpg << is it just me or do these look like... smokes ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 19:27 asciilifeform: 'AirPods will use Infrared sensors to detect when they’re in your ears, playing only when they’re in your ears. The setup process is super easy — connect the AirPods once to your iPhone, and the AirPods instantly sync over iCloud to your other devices. From there, you never worry about them again.' >> oblig. >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
mircea_popescu: by the time ice age 24 is available "only in select theatres" because nobody can be arsed to torrent it they'll be ready with iphone 17 ?
Framedragger: from a friend mentioning release of iphone 7 and seeing this pic http://i.imgur.com/SAkZ0C4.jpg i just realized that apple didn't put a fucking 3.5mm jack into their newest shit"phone". srsly.
asciilifeform: is that a 100amp mains cable feeding into the cow skull ?
PeterL: one man's (alf's) half-baked idea is better than another's work of art
Framedragger: like, there's a line between stimulating the forum and trolling that should not be breached
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [18:26:30] <Framedragger> thru other services and just plain syn flood or w/e
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:840/to:840#840 << freenode kinda leaks ips, so the hostmask is not THAT strong a protection anywya.
trinque: the forum works.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Goiânia accident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%25C3%25A2nia_accident>; The Radiological Accident in Goiânia - IAEA Publications: <http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub815_web.pdf>; Goiânia incident Brasil - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dfh-VqehmgCQ>
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck thinks this works. seriously now. trying to shoot the idiot is hard enough, but to disable enemy combatants by spraying "uranium" on them...
mircea_popescu: wtf, they're going to carry a plant by the backpack so the enemy has to take 10 minute breaks after every two minutes of shooting ?
mircea_popescu: so fucking stupid. soviet workers shoveled dirt in the very core of the blasted ukrainian plant.
mircea_popescu: wasn't this ancient us army crap from like the 1950s ?
asciilifeform: said to weigh between 10 and 30 kilograms and be able to “spray radioactive material”, possibly uranium, on the enemy. It was impossible to verify the account given to Radio Free Asia, which is funded by the US government.'
asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-news-latest-soldiers-nuclear-backpacks-kim-jong-un-tensions-us-south-korean-military-a7217401.html << typical gargle, '“Outstanding soldiers were selected from each reconnaissance platoon and light infantry brigade to form the nuclear backpack unit the size of a battalion,” the source from North Hamgyong province was quoted as saying. The supposed weapons were
Framedragger: but it appears the whole range thing fucks things up too much to be useful
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if u.s. lost 400 mn heads, you will have a gaping black hole in which ~80 mn. randos will get immediately sucked in. or the like.
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:995/to:995#995 << your requested citation link was http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:383/to:793#383 - both the anchro (383 - now preferred over from: ) and the from: point to 383, so it spits 383
asciilifeform: ( incidentally : for some reason nobody mentions the basic reason why savages drop like flies even from relatively mild epidemic: no slack in the gears! i.e. if no one gets out of bed for 2 weeks, EVERYONE starves )
mircea_popescu: if the us lost 400mn heads tomorrow it wouldn't stand.