phf: in the town of shithole everyone has to wear knee high boots because roads are made of shit, if you want to do business in that town, would wearing knee high boots, while you prefer silk slippers make any kind of sense?
mircea_popescu: without this - there'd be no c, just oddly "bootstrapped" nonsense on top of who the fuck even knows.
asciilifeform: much simpler animal than common lisp, or for that matter than any type of compiler. but imho it is the correct way to bootstrap.
phf: mircea_popescu: so in order to bridge the gap between the two you need knowledge of both patterns. cmucl has knowledge of its own, it doesn't also want to have knowledge of all the shit that goes into gcc
mircea_popescu: and yes, evidently A LOT of asm by hand will go into this. guess what ? this is exactly what the fuck the early c people who made c possible in the sense of having rms hijack it 20 years later did.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had a thread, but it would appear that original author of subj went into the jungle and never came out, so i dug out copy, https://web.archive.org/web/20111227150315/http://www.stripedgazelle.org/joey/dream.html << scheme r4rs interp. written in asm by hand.
phf: mircea_popescu: cmucl's assembly has a different pattern in order to support all the tricky-in-c-trivial-in-lisp code behaviors
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the equivalence, in practice, is a null - different structures take vastly disproportionate effort and moving parts to implement, depending on machine design.
mircea_popescu: point is, turning machine. equivalent to all others.
mircea_popescu: no, i get it, "vneumann architecture is not lisp friendly". spare me, the vagina is not cock friendly.
phf: well, c-machine assembly level is not particularly good, but it's not guaranteed to be consisten either
phf: mircea_popescu: an assembly that result out of compilation is the problem
mircea_popescu: aka "the leal lisp"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gcc produces opcodes out of c. if tll can't produce optcodes out of lisp, the problem is lisp.
mircea_popescu: you need the following : a) an item which inputs lisp text and outputs opcodes ; b) and sits down on x86 bare metal. clearly to produce a running isntance of this item you will need a running instance of this item. nevertheless : you do not need c, nor any "bootstrapping" outside of this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting 10,001 pyramid slaves to hand-compile the compiler into asm with ~guaranteed same semantics~ as the original, isn't even a financial problem, it is problem with 'planet hasn't this number of people who can meaningfully participate'
asciilifeform: where one gets the first build.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'gnat is built with gnat' thread ?
mircea_popescu: exactly same way c learned. not like the fucking stack works in c ffs.
mircea_popescu: phf what i don't understand is this bizarre notion that c has some sort of priviledged relation with asm, which is and remains the only hardware language.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 02:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i've never even ~heard~ of any of these folk, nor read their spew, until this year.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543401 << sbcl codebase ~is~ cmucl codebase, so all the same people who wrote above wrote majority of sbcl. newman's work in adding sane bootstrapping is reproducable by doing early diffs and perhaps should come as vpatch on top of cmucl since it's particularly clean. but here's the thing, the way cmucl does bootstrapping is borrowed directly from a lisp machine, and breaks down precisely because the
mircea_popescu: hm i guess it doesn't reload either ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#291 << which will lead to another round of rent hikes, because every loser out there will be "oh, but house is made with METALLIC components!"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what happened to scriba then ?
mircea_popescu: o nm, apparently others :p were well ahead here.
asciilifeform: incl. the fire retardant in laser paper.
mircea_popescu: besides, what's purple, the indole ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 09:27 adlai: ahaha, review of jaynes's book: "The weight of original thought in it is so great that it makes me uneasy for the author's well-being: the human mind is not built to support such a burden." - D.C. Stove, in Encounter (from http://www.julianjaynes.org/bicameralmind.php )
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 07:59 gabriel_laddel: Actual LSD will glow purple under a blacklight, unlike all other compounds people attempt to use in its place.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543847 << so do 10,000,001 other things, including ~all types of laser print paper...
mircea_popescu: and yes, waiting tables IS how you start a whore career ; no exceptions. all waitresses are apprentices of the trade.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#236 << but why ? really, there's more demand for whores in the stripping and cocksucking side of the trade than in the programming side of the trade.
mircea_popescu: oh the logs montresor!
adlai: ahaha, review of jaynes's book: "The weight of original thought in it is so great that it makes me uneasy for the author's well-being: the human mind is not built to support such a burden." - D.C. Stove, in Encounter (from http://www.julianjaynes.org/bicameralmind.php )
adlai: phf: speaking of 2nd-personality-gods, have you/rfriend ever heard of jaynes' bicameral mind theory?
adlai: the note about blacklight though is spot on (but don't leave it exposed to UV (ESPECIALLY SUNLIGHT) or chlorinated water) for prolonged periods, or it'll become an inactive compound: https://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/explore.php?domain=tk&id=5362
adlai: sorry but that's silly. "real shot glasses should be 45mL. anything larger is probably going to put you in the cooler for the night"
gabriel_laddel: Blotter paper with actual doses on it should be perforated so the area takes up about 1/8th of your thumbnail. Anything larger is probably going to put you in a psyc ward.
gabriel_laddel: Actual LSD will glow purple under a blacklight, unlike all other compounds people attempt to use in its place.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:16 phf: psychotic episode, later diagnosed as bipolar after ~~1 year of weekly mushroom use. split personality after one mushroom use (guy believes that the second person inside of him is god). psychotic episode after weed/lsd combination. obviously all diagnosed and hospitalized at one point or another
phf: to continue on this evening's drug theme, we have gabriel_laddel, take it away, gabriel
trinque: fix it when I am further along this trail of gentoo tears
trinque: did you read that there help
adlai: closing thought - is there a way to get deedbot to barf all ratings somebody has made, other than enumerating all nicks present in the wot?
adlai: obviously there are exceptions in environments where speech is impossible (language barrier, noise club, etc) but i'm gonna bbl as well, reviewing math in anticipation of next month's classes
trinque: the trouble of not choosing your gossipd-node peerings wisely
adlai: oh, words are also useful for sex. these days if you sex without words first, you don't pass peer review.
ben_vulpes off, wedding in the woods this weekend
adlai: well, job. but it happened, and lasted for about as long as their money did.
adlai has had jobs where the obscene bulk of his produced work was words
adlai: ahaha i like ben_vulpes's definition for the use of words
ben_vulpes flails at the bots
a111: Logged on 2015-08-29 14:35 asciilifeform: turn it all the way down - you get a housewife
adlai: in fact i basically equate sanity with 'more like housewife', with the latter defined as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-08-2015#1255364, so i'd say that once you get sane enough, you're pretty stupid.
trinque: phf: I dunno that anyone claims the content of a poem exists
ben_vulpes: words are useful for parting fools from their money trinque
adlai: trinque: i don't think of this as mind-body duality at all. a better analogy would be the phase of some matter. if you cool it enough, it seems solid; zoom in and you see it's still moving, but not enough to break out of formation.
adlai: then you have even greyer areas like hypnosis, or those who "believe in belief" but don't actually live by any religious commandment
trinque: a piece of nonsense here is trying to create universals where the context varies widely.
adlai: so, i agree that there's some definition of 'crazy' by which tulpa people are crazy, but i think it MUST also include pretty much every religion, and probably also people who have significant net worth in shitty (or any) fiat
adlai: the definition isn't watertight yet, since it counts somebody who starves due to famine as crazy... but then again, mircea_popescu counts poor somalians as stupid, so ~shrug~
trinque: there is no fucking such creature as something which believes falsehoods and whose actions are not impacted causally by them
adlai: i respect alice's belief that her creator is dead, to the same degree that i'd respect somebody's belief in reincarnation, or resurrection, or transubstantiation. words have meaning, beliefs can be false, but you don't have to act on false beliefs. i'd count somebody who's physical actions are in touch with consensus reality as non-crazy, by the "sufficiently in touch with consensus reality to not die by
adlai: feelings don't make you crazy ~because~ they don't matter. actions make you crazy.
adlai: i'm actually saying that they don't.
adlai: if, however, she came here trying to get us all to form tulpas, and arguing for personhood of tulpas... then maybe.
adlai: to pick a concrete example, if that alice0meta thinks she's a dead person's tulpa, that in and of itself, doesn't make her out of touch with consensus reality, any more than some people believe in http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/the_empty_tomb/jn20_01.html
trinque: one wot's crazy is another wot's comrade?
ben_vulpes kicks rocks, whistles, looks around, wouldn't know the first thing about being out of touch with consensus reality
trinque: that the definition changes over time... of course, because it's a statistical matter of being an outlier
trinque: crazy is a blunt term for "woefully inaccurate self/world model compared to others" but certainly exists.
adlai: (halving kyu = doubling skill, at least at the relevant levels)
adlai: so many questions without simple answers! i'll stick to the bright side - i ~halved my kyu at go, and spent more time playing guitar than i had in the previous year, combined.
ben_vulpes: wow what was the ic like
adlai: my main takeaway from the 'experience' (including 46 days of involuntary commitment in the closed ward) is that there is no such thing as crazy. sure, some people are out of touch with consensus reality, but you can define that quite precisely, and a lot of "crazy" people do not meet this definition.
phf: psychotic episode, later diagnosed as bipolar after ~~1 year of weekly mushroom use. split personality after one mushroom use (guy believes that the second person inside of him is god). psychotic episode after weed/lsd combination. obviously all diagnosed and hospitalized at one point or another
ben_vulpes: some people go crazy, some people have crazy high tolerances, some people even eat a shitload over a long time and then one day break, the variance is wild and statistical claims cannot be made beyond "oh fuck might hose your brain under entirely unknowable circumstances but hey have fun with the tradeoff analysis kid"
trinque: and yes, you can "go down a dangerous road" on them, and this is related to but not directly caused by dosage
adlai: that's a tricky claim. i've taken much, much, much larger doses than the ones that (indirectly!) led to the aforementioned bad situations. i think YGFS50 depends much more on "set and setting" than on a molecule's shape and headcount
trinque: adlai: there's a you-go-fucking-schizoid-50
adlai: but yes, there is for example no known LD50 for lsd
ben_vulpes: i'm going to go out on a limb and doubt that there's enough data even on variation in human sensitivity to drugs much less by class and genotype to even be making claims about "LD50"
adlai: the more nuanced answer recognizes that i was hospitalized as a direct result of an argument, which would not have happened if i'd left the house with a sweater that morning. so... don't forget to bring a towel?
adlai: the "just fine" answer is: "no, i was hospitalized as an indirect result of conversations which would not have gone the same way without my reaction to certain situations involving drugs"
adlai: oh dear, we're on to the difficult questions now. punting yours aside for a second, here's an easy question: what does the "therapeutic index" have to do with therapy? answer: none. it's LD50 (median lethal dose) divided by threshhold dose (minimum to feel effects)
adlai: obviously i don't deeply believe that drugs can be ordered objectively by any parameter (other than therapeutic index, for ones that have known LD50 in humans), but my personal favorite "good drugs" ordering would have cannabis above nicotine and caffeine, and mescaline above alcohol
adlai is incidentally now sober for the longest he's been in weeks - and he has a loaded vape within arm's reach - so i'd say step one is not that relevant >> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160826/#219
adlai: what's with all the shitty drugs? i step away from irc-every-day for a couple months, suddenly everybody's fiending alcohol, tobacco, and firearms^H^H^Hcaffeine?
phf: one of the reasons i went with cmucl originally is because it has known tight memory behavior and sbcl dev equally famous stance that "memory is cheap", which, for the case of keeping log in memory, was discouraging
phf: asciilifeform: well, i'll have to figure out what's going on anyway, to get it working. i was saying sbcl is poetteringerized in abstract, by lateral telltale signs. i didn't expect this code to not simply work. fwiw, despite freenode disconnects the code ~was~ working
adlai is unfamiliar, digs, finds "When a shlimazl goes dancing, the musicians' strings break"... or maybe asciilifeform meant "girl who can't dance says music sucks"?
asciilifeform: the one where плохому танцору... etc
phf: what's the old yiddish proverb?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-17: [02:03:09] <asciilifeform> unless folks ~publish~ the magical bug-inducers, i am inclined to agree with the old iddish proverb
asciilifeform: phf: please consider posting the src.
asciilifeform: i'd be curious to see if they are reproducible in 'toy' scene
phf: i can load any of the patches on the v graph, but if i hit genesis (exactly same code, etc.) suddenly balloons to 1gb, and dies with heap exhaustion
mod6: fwiw, nice tit(s) on the blindfolded trilema girl
ben_vulpes: just leave the usb plugged in
adlai doesn't presume to understand the full inner workings of deedbot, of course; but that's what seems to have happened with the first -v
adlai: ben_vulpes jiggled the handle but i suspect $up in PM may still work
asciilifeform: why is the turd still floating, trinque ?
adlai: or maybe the old idf proverb: "you spit on the army, the army wipes. the army spits on you, you drown"
adlai: if you want to speak to somebody privately, send them a message (i've sent you one, did you see it?)
ben_vulpes: although the spelling...
ben_vulpes: beheading uppity peasants is a privilege, and a duty of the privileged.
adlai always feels some sorrow when people (lowercase 'P') faceplant over these hurdles
adlai: covertress: you've evidently passed the "register PGP key and operate it" barrier, but you're failing the "not annoy people" barrier. you're not the first person to do this, and won't be the last. I suggest you NOT take this personally, figure out why you're failing this test, and... better luck next time.
phf: you have a canonical sbcl i can throw the problem at?
adlai apparently still misses the occasional selfatari
adlai: covertress: oh lol. then why are you offering people to shit in a toilet you've warmed?
phf: adlai: same code and data that was taking up ~~500mb with cmucl blew up lispworks to 4gb, and now blowing up sbcl to 1gb, which results in heap exhaustion errors, despite the fact that there's still extra heap available
adlai: who knew typos could happen in the retina
adlai: i thought the EFF was suing mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: covertress: "ethereum foundation"?
phf: adlai: you missed the part where things were broken since 6pm or so
adlai: and before it died, the logs looked out of date.
adlai: phf: in other news, i just crashed btcbase.org by clicking search
covertress: mircea_pepescu: i had wished to convey Patrick's offer to represent you against the EF.
phf: apparently whatever i was doing with cmucl no other lisp can handle
adlai: maybe... maybe this is how to get in touch with the inner child?
asciilifeform back to bed, with 'lure of the integers', bbl.
asciilifeform: 'I'm building a Blockchain-as-a-Service (BaaS) corporation and a foundation, to guide and support the open source, public blockchain, KR.'
asciilifeform: 'While details of Cook’s actions and the alleged threat have not been publicly released, law enforcement officials have said they believe the threat was real, but has been stopped by Cook’s arrest. “There’s been no evidence to suggest the involvement of anyone else locally and no evidence that I’m aware of that indicates anyone is on their way here,” Gibbons said. “The intervention happened early enough to prevent this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: in other not-quite-noose, 'To every pair p, q of distinct primes there correspond 9 positive integers x no larger than pq such that x^c ≡ x mod (pq) for every odd positive integer c. Therefore these 9 messages x are unconcealable in any Rivest-Shamir-Adleman public key cryptosystem which has the product pq for its encoding modulus.'
ben_vulpes: near the pressurized oh and did i mention heated vapor line?
ben_vulpes: i am a barbarian, use wd-40 for these applications.
BingoBoingo: Gotta let rust lose the batle to penetrating agent before delivering torque
adlai: ben_vulpes: starting a degree in chemistry. this is the first time i'm attending university, dunno if high school counts for (back)
adlai: go ahead, mircea_popescu, say that the gzipped txt fits better in yours
ben_vulpes: yeah mhm right next to the pressurized vapor line that's a grand idea.
ben_vulpes: praytell, what'd be the right tool for that job?
ben_vulpes: if i had to cart around the right tool for every possible job my toolbox would be infinitely large
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lel that looks like infamous 'vicegrip', 'the wrong tool for every job'
adlai: if he asks to read it himself rather than sit through 10min of my silky smooth... failure
adlai will read the lamport piece to the friend as a patience test, before suggesting sicp / little schemer
BingoBoingo: Real pliers are found in electrical department where fake pliers still abound. Real wrenches are found in plumbing, or for automotive applications from the vendor who operates out of prominently branded boxtruck.
BingoBoingo: which is exactly wrong. This a job for pipe wrench and cloth, or in the case of sinks a basin wrench which works on the UNDERSIDE!
BingoBoingo: From herr vulpes link: "This is like a cross between a vice-grip and a crescent wrench. This is great for bath/kitchen plumbing when you need to remove stubborn fixtures and do not want to embed the channel lock/pipe wrench teeth into the chrome fixture and leave rough teeth marks on the smooth surface. The wrench locks down without marring the polished finish and it will not fall off if your hands are slippery wet. I also would like to
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The sane hand tools though are normally seperated from insane tools and spread out by department while insane tools are all gathered in same pile.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> eventually there will be separate 'underground' suppliers for ~reasonable building materials, just like you can only get actual food in usa from 'special' suppliers. << At the moment they sit on the shelf next to unreasonable building materials with smallest difference in price tag.
adlai: "That all happened twenty years ago. In retrospect, thinking of programs as automobiles wasn???t so bad. Automobiles are pretty simple. If their car stops working, people expect any good mechanic to be able to figure out why and fix the problem" << Welcome to the 21st Century, where the computers still don't work but now they're in everything!
trinque: I have a shell script that shits out the gentoo I like
trinque: I have a disk image of old gentoo, but hey, why not see how hte kids do it these days
trinque: so then same command
trinque: becaues autism dictates you're actually creating the /dev/softraid0
trinque: braindamaged thing uses the same command to init a drive as attach the softraid again next time
ben_vulpes: their website
ben_vulpes: mcmaster carr is one of the last bastions of sanity in fab supplies.
trinque hums don't fear the reaper
asciilifeform: eventually there will be separate 'underground' suppliers for ~reasonable building materials, just like you can only get actual food in usa from 'special' suppliers.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i hope this is a comment for the log readers
mod6: asciilifeform hoards screws, and regrets nothing << im with ya. they don't make shit like they used to.
asciilifeform: because there is exactly nothing that would prevent it.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: realize, this is invitation for the next round of metal-softening.
ben_vulpes: on the flip side, torx work (for now). i sunk oodles of self-drillers this past weekend without a single slip.
ben_vulpes: because the soft metal won't drive 3 inches through pine with a phillips any more.
ben_vulpes: the final nail (screw?) is that even traditionally phillips applications (eg framing) now come with the torx heads.
trinque: yep, it's barfing the raw protocol for it
ben_vulpes: i *know* how to sink screws well, and the zinc plated shit for sale is ~unusable even by me.
ben_vulpes: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160916/#242 << plausible, sure, but what has actually happened is that a) the chicoms have diddled the phillips female bit such that it cams out at the slightest provocation and than on top of that the zamac used to replace it wears after so much as a single slipped drive and b) torx is a convenient workaround for the shit metals
adlai: [scalpl] seen from a distance, is a pretty good machine for converting ten thousand dollars into twenty thousand. [no footnote here! it can make money in crashing markets, too] But, given the [minimum trade size] it is profoundly useless as a machine for converting ten dollars into twenty.
adlai: ('collaborate' implies either having money to potentially lose, or fixing my bugs. preferably the former because i do occasionally do the latter)
adlai: btw, just to bury the earlier discussion of scalpl with shameless self-promotion: if anybody feels adventurous and wants to collaborate, speak up (PM is also OK)
adlai doesn't know anybody who likes their job enough to work more than they need, with the possible exception of his mom - who teaches yoga.
adlai: i'm not sure the 'dark age' is limited to this industry, it seems pretty global
adlai: eh i try to keep the pitch minimal, and avoid repeating it (unless too drunk to remember the last one). one guy got repeated pitches but that's only because we lived together and he kept remarking on how i "make money by typing"
adlai: living off the savings would have more to do with bitcoin if i were less of an idiot, and had bought less at $1k and more at $10; but then i'd be living off the military discharge bonus, and wouldn't have mined to begin with
trinque: I have the decency not to goad my friends into joining an industry in a dark age, tyvm
adlai: anybody i know well enough to receive the pitch, knows me well enough to know ~why~ i no longer mine
adlai: my pitch has always been "look at me, i worked in the salt mine for less than a year and now live off my savings"
adlai: since none yet have reached the point of not needing to wait tables - insufficient data for meaningful answer.
adlai makes the "stop waiting tables and learn to program" offer to ~all his friends, once he gets drunk enough
adlai: fwiw, the last chick i tried to teach lisp, lost patience for lisp ~before~ she lost patience for [my] cock
mircea_popescu: nor were they ever tempted to do anything.
mircea_popescu: i was never tempted to eat them, no.
asciilifeform: ( lol, i'm not the only one who was ever tempted to eat'em ?!! )
mircea_popescu: kinda why i released it, rather than you know, eating it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the mouse that got out of your bottle probably did not 'do anything' also.
adlai: asciilifeform & trinque : thank you for the suggestions. i'm meeting the guy tomorrow for his 2nd lession, i'll let him choose
mircea_popescu: if you're not going to do anything anyway, might as well take the lab.
mircea_popescu: well... so he... saved the usg some bucks, still didn't do anything. hero of soviets, medal.
asciilifeform: complete with the obligatory weary dr. brin face.
adlai: yeah i doubt anybody forced him to sign; i suspect anybody who wasn't sufficiently dangerous for enough decades, eventually gets tired of poor impotence, and starts sucking the cock that slapped them
trinque: lamports parked themselves
adlai: "verification is economically feasible only in a small number of applications???mainly, for fairly small programs that perform lifecritical functions. Verification techniques are being used successfully to help debug programs, at Microsoft and elsewhere" << please, tell me more about these small, lifecriticial, microsoft applications...
BingoBoingo: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/09/16/george-stephanopoulos-pepe-frog-well-known-symbol-white-supremacist-movement/ << You had an Instagram post last week that included Pepe the Frog, which is now a well-known symbol of the white supremacist movement,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i've never even ~heard~ of any of these folk, nor read their spew, until this year.
mircea_popescu: how can you lot put up with these idiots ?
trinque: the thing may very well be 10 systemd cycles in, given its age
mircea_popescu: ./lisp -core lisp.clcore, one line after they misspelled it as losp.clore is really fucking endearing, too.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu , nobody wants this ! any more than they 'want' ringworm.
asciilifeform: 'When people who can’t think logically design large systems, those systems become incomprehensible. And we start thinking of them as biological systems.' -- from lamport's 'The Future of Computing: Logic or Biology' (2003)
trinque: and my heathen brain was astonished
trinque: BingoBoingo: aha, in fact there was a thread where mircea_popescu explained that y'know, you teach the women things
adlai: because the fractional still hasn't been invented yet
adlai: make sure to avoid the methanol!
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone want to run anything produced in this manner.
trinque pours another glass
BingoBoingo: <trinque> asciilifeform: thunked a lady with both that and sicp once, and she actually read them << This is the difference. The fucking.
trinque: asciilifeform: thunked a lady with both that and sicp once, and she actually read them
mircea_popescu: seriously, the vague is getting ridiculous. "artefacts" ?
mircea_popescu: "7) Paranoid folks like to recompile just again, to be sure that the new system has no artifact from the old running Lisp. These instructions also build the very-optional parts like CLX at this stage. If you want to do that, activate the for loop near the end." << i'm not sure paranoid is the word here.
trinque: there is an honesty to not doing this bootstrapping madness while a lisp OS is absent
BingoBoingo: <adlai> incidentally, on a slightly related topic: a friend has taken me up on my (foolish, drunken) offer to help teach him programming. i'm tempted to start with a "sheet of paper + mccarthy" approach, since he's yet unspoiled by algol; has anybody tried teaching in this manner? << Don't skip to 12 without working the other steps. Only 13 can be skipped to.
asciilifeform: it won't work on someone you aren't fucking, there will not be the necessary patience.
adlai: (the fallback is http://eloquentjavascript.net/ which is written by a lisper and contains numerous inline repls)
asciilifeform: other thing, trinque, is that interpreters won't be breaking any speed records.
mircea_popescu: why pretend then. just have a honest interpreter written in c sit down and take your repl.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this c code to glue lisp compiled lisp together. good god.
asciilifeform: trinque: also it isn't a given that tinyscheme is necessarily the best starting point for implementing a civilized scheme
asciilifeform: trinque: i recommend to pull up mine, rather than the heathen one, but the difference is not large
mircea_popescu: note also the implied (and ancient) notion that only virgins may be raped.
trinque already pulled up the tinyscheme source, will read as he drinks wine
adlai: "I was having dealings with a corpse, so she has no cause for complaint." << excellent argument for gutting cmucl rather than sbcl, unless you get off on the screams
mircea_popescu: onsider it a crime that I squatted down and defecated on my victims -- that is really, if you'll excuse me, absurd. Defecation is an urge of nature and consequently can in no sense be criminal. All things considered, I do understand the misgivings of my defence counsel, but all the same I am hoping for a complete acquittal."
mircea_popescu: s thin neck that did that. He was simply not created for this life. It's true that I stomped their dog to a pulp around the floor, but it's really cynical to accuse me of murdering the dog when in the immediate vicinity, it might be said, three human lives had been obliterated. The infant I don't count. Well, all right then, in all this (I can agree with you) it is possible to discern a degree of severity on my part. But to c
asciilifeform: no wonder this thing was shot in the head and left to die in a shallow grave.
mircea_popescu: the most trivial of crimes. And also I did not rape Yelizaveta Antonovna. In the first place, she was no longer a virgin; and secondly I was having dealings with a corpse, so she has no cause for complaint. What about the fact that she just happened to have to give birth? Well, I did pull out the infant. The fact that he was not long for this world anyway, well that's really not my fault. I didn't tear his head off; it was hi
mircea_popescu: still alive then. Whereas Andryusha I killed simply from inertia, and I can't hold myself responsible for that. Why did Andryusha and Yelizaveta Antonovna fall into my hands anyway? They had no business springing out from behind the door. I am being accused of bloodthirstiness; they say I drank blood, but that is not true: I licked up the pools of blood and stains -- it is a man's natural urge to wipe out the traces of even
mircea_popescu: to counterbalance the oestrogen overload, here's some harm : "Without boasting, I can tell you that, when Volodya struck me across the ear and spat in my face, I really got him, so that he won't forget it. It was only after that that I hit him with his primus and it was evening when I hit him with the iron. So he didn't die straight away by any means. This doesn't prove that I cut his leg off as early as the afternoon. He was
adlai: yeah, click the second link