pete_dushenski: eu-expansion capital. it's all to evident that, like the romans in palestine or usd as world reserve or facebook as #1sm, it's a temporary occupation.
pete_dushenski: diana_coman: my take on the eu-ification and commie blockiness is the same and quite disjunct from the catholic era : it's that the latter day ("tomorrow is a latter day", anyone?) implementations are superficial and have no particular bearing in the locality. in the same way that having modern art and architecture looks identical worldwide is nauseating, so too is the token clean street in whatever
pete_dushenski: http://cascadianhacker.com/the-hilarious-unprofitability-of-uber#comment-16 << paging ben_vulpes
diana_coman: fwiw Vilnius' really "old" area is slightly behind the so-called "old town" and perhaps the more "artsy" area along the river
diana_coman: d of the day
diana_coman: well, at the end of the day that IS the local character; previously it was the all-the-same blocky/stocky/commie townhalls, what; previous to that it was the catholic cathedrals etc; really what you deem "local character" vs "uberglitz, eu-ification" is just a matter of personal preference I'd say; I was suggesting you visit Panevezys precisely because that IS more of the "local" character than the well-groomed Kaunas at the en
pete_dushenski: diana_coman: what's specifically 'eu' about the baltic, yugoslavian, romanian, what have you arrangements is that the fancy town squares and rebuilt castles were the bait and switch in exchange for monetary hegemony. there are exceedingly few examples of such peaceful expansion of territory in my historical memory banks (though i'm open to being disabused of this notion)
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: but you know, they are in the end in quite a pickle because "lithuanian" would be what, Grand Duchy of Lithuania, right?
diana_coman: out of desperation to have the "lithuanian" thing
pete_dushenski: diana_coman: it's true that the over-polished vilnius area is scarcely larger than a football pitch, but it's still a chunk of real estate devoid of the character of the rest of the country. eu-ification for all! rationalism uber alles! it's a shame, yes, but mostly for the inconsistently - the partial transplant - like the handsome black man with a single emaciated white arm surgically attached where his
diana_coman: for the more touristical thing I'd say probably Trakai
diana_coman: well, there is ~nothing to see in Panevezys, that's the point: kind of industrial, provincial town, poor and stinky all around
diana_coman: vilnius got a total makeup when it was eu cultural capital thing (and yes, several locals complained to me that it's worse for all that polish) but the uberglitzed area to my mind is just the very-very small bang-centre: cathedral and that molehill they call the castle
pete_dushenski: iirc i drove through pranvezys on the road back from vilnius to riga but didn't really stop. spent a bit more time in klaipeda and area
diana_coman: heh, pete_dushenski have you been to some of the smaller/more provincial ones? Panevezys comes to mind, lol
pete_dushenski: like most second-biggest cities, kaunus also doesn't feel overly polished, uberglitzed, and overrun with tour busses the way vilnius or riga do
diana_coman: aha, yeah, that's the smaller airport, quite all right for what it's used actually
pete_dushenski: the only and only!
pete_dushenski: obligatory, http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/kaunus-lithuania-the-least-terrible-place-for-the-conference-fourth-edition/
diana_coman: still, after one trip with them I prefer by far to fly into Riga and take the bus or car to Vilnius from there
diana_coman: since Lithuania managed to end up in the interesting position of having 2 (at least, I did not even check if it doesn't have more than that) airports and no airline, Ryanair were the only ones to fly directly there
shinohai: !!key thestringpuller
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 15:08 mircea_popescu: dubious, because the "basic necessities" a la mchappy meal never needs to cost anything, which is why it's two dollars ; and actual food is already going into a spiral.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: more like they finalyl made the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549705 scam into flight
diana_coman: oh, I did not mention the backseats that do not recline and the very, VERY limited leg-space
pete_dushenski: diana_coman: aha. i've heard similar horror stories and given that it'll be a family trip and that i'm NOTPOOR(tm)(r), i'll probably be looking at deals to the mainland and ~cost-effective~ proposals to the isles. the customer "service" and baggage issues that have been relayed to me previously were similarly cautionary.
diana_coman: ldn't be surprised if they added meanwhile some "Oxygen fee")
diana_coman: fwiw pete_dushenski I flew with Ryanair and I would advise against them unless you are either a. desperate b. really curious of how a plane can feel like the old-times local bus for local peasants, chicken and other animals combined; they have the most obnoxious "service" I ever saw filled with loud and frequent "offers" to buy all sorts and *advertisement* in the cabin; not to mention interesting fees such as "fuel fee" (I wou
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 10:27 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549523 just take a cheap flight somewhere else, then ryanair
shinohai: In U.S. and A. they treat horses like we in Kazakhstan treat our women. They feed them two times a day. They have them sleep on straw in a small box. And for entertainment, they make them jump over fences while being whipped.
pete_dushenski: japanese looove their baseball
mircea_popescu: and in the latest in instructional videos / "how to for dummies" : http://67.media.tumblr.com/e4b4d5dc215d2f56b6fb7884dc671322/tumblr_mihcyvNExc1s3v6d1o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the above being perhaps the best explanation of what distinguishes third world from civilised world. "are your women regularly diddled or do they grow fucking cobwebs down there."
mircea_popescu: the notion that females under 30 would be allowed to NOT be vaginally inspected once a month is scandalous.
mircea_popescu: many folks'd better get with the program.
asciilifeform: many folks would rather go to african doctor than american. and i can't blame'em.
asciilifeform: Officially Indigent is another thing.
asciilifeform: prescription-only. so as to make the buyers come in for regular 'doctor visit' which costs a few hundy (paid by usg if you're Officially indigent, by hmo if you're a salaried wretch, and by your own pocket if you're neither.)
asciilifeform: part of the 'health management' racket.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu quite likely knows that they ain't phreeee in usa
mircea_popescu: yeah but afaik they just give out pills/condoms ?
ben_vulpes: some folks get seriously bent about the abortions tho
ben_vulpes: 50+ different institutions would be nigh-impossible for the right to organize a defunding of
ben_vulpes: one of the wotpaste header stars is now a link
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 15:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw can has link to http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ from one of the *'s in "wotpaste" header ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other noose, the noose spreadz, https://firmwaresecurity.com/2016/09/21/reversing-sages-smartprobe << What did I tell you?
Framedragger: AHA! and so, eulora becomes the explicit marketing platform for TERRORISM
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw can has link to http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ from one of the *'s in "wotpaste" header ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai btw put in http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r the tutorial or w/e ? instead of pastebin
mircea_popescu: should have never fucking allowed the .coms on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i went around looking for 'bios reverser' sites, realized that the community of actual people actually working on subj -- at least in public -- has shrunk to the size of a walnut.
mircea_popescu: theirs an iguana, and iguana is reptile not mammal") is always "global warm"ism / "intelligent design"ism
mircea_popescu: the problem with the political notion of "primitive" is that well, it's the "global warming" from before global warming. there ~is~ a scientific notion of primitive, but it's deeply political inconvenient (such as, primitive society uses hieroglyphics rather than alphabet. making the chinese primitive.) wheres the politically convenient version ("guys in next town over are primitive, because our footbal mascot is a beaver and
asciilifeform: in other noose, the noose spreadz, https://firmwaresecurity.com/2016/09/21/reversing-sages-smartprobe
mircea_popescu: still chasing the exact problem.
mircea_popescu: well, if you don't use windows, there's ~no minimum specs, i've had it run on ten year old laptops. if you do use windows it's unclear as of yet, some people have had problems but seems to be on random hardware
mircea_popescu: Mariono there's a few, yeah.
Mariono: all anyone use windows to play the game ?
mircea_popescu: these are very deeply disjunct modes. i'm sure [they like to think] telling us teenager that "honey, never mind what the other girls say, you should have self esteem" works for her. from experience it ~works, for a little anywya. but doth not work for subsaharan chick. at all.
mircea_popescu: you can see this in a million places. normal human being eschews reading an announcement, in favour of asking person at the desk personally ; usian "pleasure of white" zealot eschews interacting with this "because there's nowhere to read what to do and have to talk to people"
mircea_popescu: this is not true of most sane people, including all africa. girls there wanna be with other girls and sing call-and-response all day long.
Framedragger: and in general builds an argument against the notion of "primitive" as widely used in western anthropology.
mircea_popescu: anyway. "the pleasure of whiteness" in particular denotes this peculiar view of human existence, which is very deeply puritan (which they usually call white or white-patriarchy, neither of which have anything to do). ie, typical middle class us female enjoys being in herself, which is why she loves nothing more than to grow fat while watching netflix.
Framedragger: but this reminded me of clastres' "society against the state", a set of essays on "primitiv kultures". the latter use all kinds of mutilation'y things to do interesting stuff, e.g. if one breaks a law, that law is inscribed on the flesh of the person having broken it; etc.
mircea_popescu: ie, if you people are going to herd rather than critically analyze, it might as well be that YOU are the reason the account has to be banned.
mircea_popescu: which is perhaps the problem.
Framedragger: i guess that twitter acct thought it was funny that FGM could be anything other than bullshit. at the point of lol'ing at those tweets i took this as a given
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hm. on actually closer inspection, that thing's easier to parse if one reads till end of extract. one of the points is that the notion of female genital mutilation is used to represent african tribes etc. as inferior culturally, sexually, etc.; thesis seems to disagree with this portrayal of that tribal culture. this does indeed not sound original. but, i guess you're right, it's more like meh, and not a lol-worthy outrag
mircea_popescu: or need i link again the typical 1800s opera singer.
asciilifeform: actually this is one of the things that astonishes me about mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: there's a reason real men own whips.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, typical. suppose you have to go to dinner with the typical female and then with her to the typical poetry reading.
mircea_popescu: the person versed in the art can always distinguish art from rubbish. the problem is what versed means.
asciilifeform: btw it is worth noting that current mathematical, etc. papers are scarcely distinguishable from the quoted rubbish.
mircea_popescu: so it is. then again, it has to be pointed out that all these "studies" are derivative work of literary criticism and phenomenology as the philosophical discipline (80s variant, see eg stanford's "it is the study of structures of conscxiousness"). consequently they consist almost entirely out of terms of art.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly. i simply have trouble with the limba de lemn , it is thick.
mircea_popescu: Mariono prolly want to talk to shinohai if you need help ; otherwise register your key with deedbot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly enough, it could be rendered in terms of the mp-alf discussion ; on the alf side. it ~says "tyvm for telling us to be less poor ; here in africa no dirigible."
trinque: the cop was in a nervous sweat when he came to my door asking if I knew anything
asciilifeform: it was, best as i can tell, the usual meat-assisted shannonizer output.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-28: [13:44:43] <Framedragger> "the pleasure of whiteness" https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/779238227781808128
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#100 << for the record i fail to see the problem in the quoted fragment ; and can't be arsed to go read the whole thing. anyone wishes to explain what the problem is ?
asciilifeform: trinque: who did the kicking ?
asciilifeform: trinque: they are built like this deliberately, it is cheaper to repair than if the hinges are the weak part.
trinque: this with rents at 1600/mo for the smallest
trinque: it's like living on a cheap TV set. my neighbor's door - when kicked in two weeks ago - broke like balsa wood right along the only (soft) metal in the door, at the "lock"/"latch"
mircea_popescu: through the technomagic of "noblesse du robe" or whatever.
mircea_popescu: ersatz is those people's very life ; their existence is subjectively predicated on them being ersatz for actual people
mircea_popescu: whereas the us is a french colony through and through.
mircea_popescu: army does not generally favour ersatz, but bulk ; and unlike us, the su was army-run. much like ~much all eastern tyrannies, from turks to what have you.
asciilifeform: because they were not konsoomer-oriented.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the orcs picked scarcity over ersatz.
mircea_popescu: they still built housing out of concrete not chewed wasp nest.
asciilifeform: did i ever mention the tin pistol ?
mircea_popescu: the soviets had what, fake coffee and whatnot.
asciilifeform: in general, anything that is 'luxury' and not propped up by the great inca, rockets 'to the moon'
mircea_popescu: back in 2005 i ate on the boston wharf ; bill came in a hundreds. today they come in the thousands.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have this strategy where all of the bid-up/sheepshaving happens in one particular racket, housing
mircea_popescu: dubious, because the "basic necessities" a la mchappy meal never needs to cost anything, which is why it's two dollars ; and actual food is already going into a spiral.
asciilifeform: when this fails, and it will, there ~will~ be ru-style hyperinflation, as the selfsame chumps use their megabux to bid up the cost of basic necessities
asciilifeform: e.g., uppity salaryfolk getting their dough deposited into non-irs-controlled bank
asciilifeform: most folks stop at the red light without there being such a thing as a police car for miles. internal policeman, inside head.
asciilifeform: it's rather like to say 'traffic police never works'
mircea_popescu: back before bitcoin fucking banks were like, a major core ; these days, they barely count on the level of gardening.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it is possible i'm left stranded on some historical branch. i've been doing ever less banking over the years.
Framedragger: thestringpuller: heh; up until maybe ~2012, UK banks allowed these cash deposits without any account or docs; so folks deposited cash into bitcoin exchange accounts; and then that changed. so it goes hm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is far from watertight, but to the lobster trapped inside it may as well be.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller try a wire.
thestringpuller: cash deposit into another person's account? "Papers and passport please"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: US banks pretty much require id for nearly every single transaction you intend to make with them...
mircea_popescu: yes it's a calender, ie keeps the pasta in. but if you dump it in the sewer, don't expect you'll fish it out later and contents edible.
asciilifeform: that there's cheating!111
mircea_popescu: there's five billions things. open acct with hk branch, have it transferred. whoops.
asciilifeform: bank, at least in past decade, demands the rituals. though i could easily believe that if you open acct and immediately drop $mil in it, they will close eyes.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 14:41 Framedragger: well in uk you have to walk into the bank physically. (from recent experience opening business acct). and it's barclays, quite sure it's similar to the bank i dealt with. but heh, maybe workarounds. especially in .pl
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549649 << ~hundy each, depending on where registered. the postbox costs more.
mircea_popescu: it's like boys in clubs, all they really wanna do is rub on you a little. if that.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/i-am-firmly-against-universal-franchise/#comment-119267 << vaguely related, it's ever so sad that the fiat minds never seem quite ready to actually engage.
Framedragger: heheh. oh yeah. i also forgot about them craigslist job posts, as well $x's friend's boyfriend who asked $x to temporarily hold some money in $x's acct because reasons
mircea_popescu: recall the good old days when people wanted to get money from the cattle ? things have changed, the cattle is now poor enough that people want its moo not its money.
mircea_popescu: one obvious explanation would be that the accts in question belong to a derp who has agreed to "handle comissions for international firm"
Framedragger: this relates to the "not a bank if no rsa in relevant wot" point.
mircea_popescu: plus there's also the legions of captcha solvers / employees working remote etc. but i doubt anyone spends that much effort.
mircea_popescu: note that what people tell each other and what is actually the case never have yet matched in the history of people.
Framedragger: well in uk you have to walk into the bank physically. (from recent experience opening business acct). and it's barclays, quite sure it's similar to the bank i dealt with. but heh, maybe workarounds. especially in .pl
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the way that works is, you can open business online ; and then bank account from it.
mircea_popescu: if you own the mailserver at least.
Framedragger: like, legit uk and polish bank account details. wonder if they belong to old granny who gives out passwords to her grandson
mircea_popescu: i suppose there's no end of expert ses change.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#39 << for the record, i didn't even know that was a thing.
Framedragger: on my work email end on the other hand, multiple emails as of late, sent from director, with instructions to pay to this fiat bank acct and that fiat bank acct.
asciilifeform: gotta be properly aryan and in their wot.
asciilifeform: '@Real_PeerReview highlighted more than 1,000 scholarly papers in four months. Many were essentially Mad Libs with various topics inserted between the phrases “whiteness,” “hegemony,” and the “patriarchy.”' << sop since '80s. it will die with usg and not before.
Framedragger: "the pleasure of whiteness" https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/779238227781808128
Framedragger: http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/11/social-justice-warriors-declare-battle-on-colleague-for-exposing-their-research/ (courtesy of punkman) << good stuff.
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549523 just take a cheap flight somewhere else, then ryanair
thestringpuller: is the BingoBoingo still awake?
Framedragger: aha, i wonder if the sending irc client encoded msg in some strange charset, and ACTION was *not* technically the first set of characters in that message, from point of view of znc.
scriba: slugs, shaped like various animals, e.g., pig, out of a tank, and by the choice mircea_p
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-27: [13:14:42] <asciilifeform> ACTION woke up from dream where we had 4th conf. this time, at mircea_popescu's house, which turned out to be a gigantic repurposed office park, wunderwaffen in every room, even the nazi 'Glocke' neutron generator; we sat in a great hall and drank mead and thanked odin for the gift of valour; then went to the tank room and each pulled gigantic sea
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-27: [14:25:47] <phf> so there's at least two bugs happening here :) somehow it's missing from btcbase and Framedragger's znc (or is it the python bot) is leaking ACTION marks
asciilifeform: in other old flimflammeries, http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/auschwitz-angel-of-death-josef-mengeles-unknown-writings-to-be-auctioned-124801054.html
ben_vulpes: i can't them
asciilifeform: who said 'crypto snakeoil for $maxint while you wait!' died with the '90s.
shinohai: Just make sure they are 21+
mircea_popescu: maybe they could be joined together at the hip. have moon rocket carry baby to term.
asciilifeform: not really problem, i dun need these for anything.
asciilifeform: wake up the alices and leahs when you pull this off, i hear they're quite interested in subj.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not just theoretically. Just a challenge to get baby out.
mircea_popescu: theoretically i could carry a pregnancy to term.
asciilifeform: so the notion isn't wholly nonsensical.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: theoretically a ~very~ small balloon-launched rocket is orbitable.
mircea_popescu: "I was browseing the web for some cool thing to call my next project I swooped by Mike Davis's web page where there is alot of cool stuff and was checking out his homebuilt jet engine and it reminded me of a drawing I had in my fileing cabinet from years ago when I was still in grade school. I dug a little and whiped it out and asked my girl friend if she want to see something cool, she replied yeah so I showed my drawing,she
asciilifeform: in other 'news', holy FUCK is the unix userland retarded, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8402181/how-do-i-get-bc1-to-print-the-leading-zero
mircea_popescu: and in other "i just wasted all this coke" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/be0798b981a4d1fa746e4bd79c89fd1d/tumblr_njow5kDpHD1rhzk0mo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: in other news, vk.com ftw. https://vk.com/doc143790965_361473501?hash=f21e86f3164707edfd&dl=2eebe155c8564118c8
ben_vulpes: my aren't we having/the bestest of fun
BingoBoingo: Eh, if you want to pursue it there's prolly angles. Existing draft just leans too much on legalisms nest
BingoBoingo: The outrage should be over America's cloaca hating healthy women, not their laws having or not having legal grounds
BingoBoingo: Great LOL: Tonight on NBC Nightly news half of their segment on last night's debate was spent accussing Trump of fatshaming 20 years ago!
pete_dushenski: mebbe irish are cheeper to buy. i have to go there to find out.
pete_dushenski: da fuck are the chitlin gonna do with ALL of it
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: bitcoin pizza guy thought the same!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Ironically the weather in Omsk seems to roughly mirror that of St Louis except the summer and winter extremes of temperature are still more extreme in Omsk
asciilifeform: 'Hanno Böck is a freelance journalist and volunteer developer with Gentoo Linux. He also works for web hosters schokokeks.org, who rely entirely on free software for their service offerings.'
asciilifeform: encouraging the use of sha1.
asciilifeform: the sheer, breathtaking idiocy of synchronous protocols on a plebified channel.
trinque: what's the frame resize hook thinger, so I can redraw a pane when my frame changes?
gabriel_laddel: It does. I search the logs for clim and my handle ~daily
asciilifeform: and enemy cannot follow you there because... reasons, aha.
asciilifeform: if, as some of the lucky fellas seem to suggest, he can be prevented from sleeping, say.
asciilifeform: re: earlier: caveat is that a man being correctly microwaved will, in all likelihood, present the symptoms of 'rather disturbed' in short order
BingoBoingo: http://www.themaneater.com/blogs/the-newsroom/2016/9/19/columnist-dismissed-maneater-staff/ https://archive.is/56zrB << Win!!!
mircea_popescu: imo the ~best advice in that situation is "go fuck many whores". nothing beats it and fits on a page. which is why i always suspected the pua folk of being a lot more reasonable than anyone realises.
mircea_popescu: tends to create the psychogenic equivalent of what happens when you go live on your local radio station with the phone next to the radio set.
asciilifeform: aha, as per naggum's 'stop telling people to lick their teeth'
mircea_popescu: in particular, the "pay attention to your own thought process" is pretty miserable advice.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-26 17:33 asciilifeform: incidentally i find it quite hilarious that three years after the snowden catalogue leak, the constellation of symptoms of rf bug illuminator victims is still Officially 'schizo'
ben_vulpes: mount linear aerospikes on the edges
mircea_popescu: think about all the advantages : a cubical rocket doesn't need to be steered as much.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: or "i'm an alien and am trying to get home, so usg would have to admit they are harboring a martian"
mircea_popescu: seeing the success of the littoral beercan program, i'm vaguely surprised the usg doesn't bless its doomed effort of catching up with china/russia with cubical rockets.
ben_vulpes: "and i'm on the usg.rocket.dole"
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://montalk.net/conspiracy/55/how-to-block-microwave-mind-programming-signals
BingoBoingo: To the MOON!!!
ben_vulpes: no dedicated microwave to the dirigible
mircea_popescu: what is with all the bullshit connections you people get!
asciilifeform: imho we really oughta lamportize the voice mechanism.
asciilifeform pictures toady in tempest black van, on sat phone: 'yessir, start the fleanode ddos right NOW'
ben_vulpes: assault on the republic!!1
trinque: wtf am I supposed to do, go query the cucks in #clim ?
trinque chants clim, clim, clim, in the hopes that gabriel_laddel shall appear
BingoBoingo: ^ Rumours of a pumpkin spice shortage are a Debeers style fabrication. Unless the shortage is on the spice side of things.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/record-high-pumpkin-harvest-on-the-way/ << Qntra - Record High Pumpkin Harvest On The Way
shinohai: trinque: yeah it's due to the freenode brouhaha
trinque: shinohai: what was the thing?
jurov: thestringpuller: done. not sick, just afk for a bit
mircea_popescu: !!key thepirlo
deedbot: thepirlo voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up thepirlo
bizarrotrinque: alrighty, back to the old code for now.
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that if jockeys were sent to write software and code monkeys sent to ride horses, the overal results would sum to more.
mircea_popescu: the bitch with high level cognition, be it math, fucking, programming horses, riding computers et all is that you never fucking know which the same thing you'll be doing this time
asciilifeform: (when's the last time you made a rainbow table.)
asciilifeform: there is no expectation that modern-day ones will fail along same fault-lines.
asciilifeform: it had answers for some peculiarly braindead hash algos from the '90s, yes.
asciilifeform: and that the 'do trapdoors exist' fundamental question is not only not settled, but afaik there is not the faintest clue where one might begin from to settle it, nor what the proof would look like.
asciilifeform: this is probably a good time to remind readers that hash algos as we have them today (incl., yes, keccak) are pseudoscientific kit, similar to the block ciphers, rather than items where the strength is of some provable kind
mircea_popescu: hey, you're breaking rsa over there, do some useful stuff!
mircea_popescu: the one important salient point here is that what we would really like for a hash function would be a H so that it is mathematically proven that NO j' exists so that h(s+j) = h(s+j')
asciilifeform: it solves another, also useful problem, yes, but not same..!
mircea_popescu: still, i wouldn't say these differences allow for a strict determination.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but in my secret-k scheme the epsilon is my domain alone.
asciilifeform: then he can sit on it for so long as he likes
mircea_popescu: and the problem of t3-t1 being an interval at enemy's discretion rather than your discretion remains.
asciilifeform: (and of the time-orderer.)
asciilifeform: but it isn't, because you signed H(S), the genuine S, with K, at time T
asciilifeform: otherwise Kverify(H(S')) will fail.
mircea_popescu: and see the comments above re weaker standard and bad time exposure.
asciilifeform: using the formulation above, describe what hitler should do
mircea_popescu: also enemy has t3-t1 to fish for the pair ; as opposed to epsilon
asciilifeform: so, for convenience, i'll reprint: 1) at time T, i publish Ksign(H(S)), where S is a lengthy random string; at time T1, when i wish to invoke the continuity i publish H(S+J) ; at time T2: J; at time T3, S.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your scheme is actually dead in the water because between t2 and t3 enemy can deedbot in your name.
asciilifeform: 'the best machine is no machine' -- altschuller
asciilifeform: btw if mircea_popescu ONLY wants to give J' to his best friends, he can do that already via the otp he has with them.