trinque: now that is the stuff of sci-fi dreams. republican game console brings political and computing salvation to teh youth.
asciilifeform: but i have nfi, i am not the one to ask!
asciilifeform: it also has a broad spectrum of short-term half-solutions (use minimal subset of the iron's functionality; stockpile old amd; etc)
asciilifeform: jurov: this is 'the iron problem' and we discussed it, what, 20+ times.
mircea_popescu: so it's stable, and can continue indefinitely. they have not the power to change the situation at any rate.
mircea_popescu: this both satisfies the desire of github rats to feel connected to bitcoin even though they aren't ; as well as bitcoin's necessity to be rid of the "talented" young minds.
mircea_popescu: but w/e, after the total rout of the gavin forks in 2015 and the political rather than technological defeat of the summer of forks earlier last year the remaining hole - which is also not going to get plugged - is exactly in this vein (segwit is no different), where all comers are more than welcome to define magic versions, script meanings and paralel chains ; which everyone else is more than welcome to ignore.
shinohai: "We propose a soft-fork that defines a new opcode (redefining a NOP opcode) as the OP_COUNT_ACKS using the segwit script versioning system"
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: so girl bought "brazilian grapes". they're indescribably aptly named. colored this luscious black, like a brazilian chick's tone ; big, and round, and tough and sweet.
mircea_popescu: did you ask her the sphinx's challenge ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL has this decided "kids interests" streak in him. he knows all the shit 12yos are liable to find cool.
PeterL: what is the difference between a zippo and a hippo? One is very heavy and the other is a little lighter!
mircea_popescu: think of starting a wood fire. "many trunks in the forest, including mine and friends' i saw, had zippo lighter approached to trunk - nothing happened"
mircea_popescu: it was safe mostly \because lacking the social context.
mircea_popescu: we are discussing very unlikely situations here. back when i was a kid, codeine as a phosophorous salt was the child cough remedy ; i took plenty ; so did other kids. did ~nothing.
asciilifeform: most folks off the street, if given whatever dope you like, will not - apparently - take to it.
asciilifeform: one of the interesting recurring motifs in dalrymple (british dude who worked for decades as prison doctor) re addicts is that they are not 'could be just anybody'
mircea_popescu: surely. dope is still the best way to open up china for "trade" ; as it is the best way to get that snotty chick with "plans for the future" open for... hm. "partying".
asciilifeform: quite conceivably dope is a beneficial thing, by this light, if it helps folks who are candidates for BingoBoingo's 'scooty' photos to die (relatively) cheaply, and quickly, rather than slowly and expensively decades later
mircea_popescu: and the beauty is, the only true boundry on the $costofdopehabit is the ceiling on t.
asciilifeform: doesn't their lim($marketvalue - $costofdopehabit) ---> -inf as t--->+inf though ?
mircea_popescu: specifically, that male self-hate tends to reject the world (which is what "i hit rock bottom" always is - it is insanity to imagine the addict understands the world in your terms, and "Has seen reason" ; no such thing, he just activated a peculiar, and reasonably well understood, psychological process. no rationality involved) whereas in females tends to reject the self.
mircea_popescu: there's some biological factors to account for this, both directly (shittier metabolism ; stronger response to neurotransmitters ; the venereal 50/5 trap etc) and indirect (through the workings of sexuate reproduction women are always vandable) ; but i'm pretty sure there's also psychological factors involved.
asciilifeform: (but not living in their company, i have deeply nfi.)
asciilifeform: dunno that 'rock bottom' folks still have the 'can quit anytime!111' notion
mircea_popescu: much like hillary, she thinks it merely enhances her life and she could quit at any time, if the balance turned -ev
mircea_popescu: this is altogether dubious, from experience.
asciilifeform: the toilet chick from mircea_popescu's photo earlier -- has substantial edge over these folks. she at least ~knows~ that she is hooked on dope.
mircea_popescu: (note that the ~only punishment described is... having to leave "the country". as if not smelling the fucking farts of ustards is the worst fate.)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the demolished man is an excellent piece, inasmuch as it's pretty much an exact description of both the ideal as well as the practical implementation of "modern democracy, civilised & globalized" as teh bureaucrats perceive it.
mircea_popescu: vaguely related, it turns out that the per capita price for polish children cca 1942 was 25 zloty.
mircea_popescu: shall be their undoing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pg & co. are kind enough to mark '[FLAGGED]' when they hand-delete one's post on their thing (visible only to the user)
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a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 18:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161003/#340 << yes. as we speak diana_coman is busy at work making snapsnots of linuxen. because it's obvious from practice that the way this goes is "i can't install eulora on linux" "we tested this" "but i can't". then upon extensive and expensive research it turns out... THEY CHANGED THE FUCKING DISTRO. breaking software. because why not.
PeterL: I guess there is something to be said for not doing everything at once, makes it easier to understand
asciilifeform: the former.
PeterL: so I am working on porting the parachute scripts to python, does this look better as multiple or single line? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/z1jyt/?raw=true
shinohai: Well I certainly learned the merits of preserving an older gcc this weekend
mircea_popescu: if anyone is inclined to maintain forks of any linux distro (much in the manner of trb - to clean, not to "support"/utf/systemd/etc) we can prolly work something out.
ben_vulpes: not that i'm claiming to understand what the machine is doing.
ben_vulpes: this gulf between computers as toys and computers as devices to be used by people who can patch, understand what the machine is doing stretches wider every day.
ben_vulpes: "year of the linux desktop!"
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161003/#340 << yes. as we speak diana_coman is busy at work making snapsnots of linuxen. because it's obvious from practice that the way this goes is "i can't install eulora on linux" "we tested this" "but i can't". then upon extensive and expensive research it turns out... THEY CHANGED THE FUCKING DISTRO. breaking software. because why not.
asciilifeform: ons subsystem he designed beams back "hello world" after an almost-aborted launch, a navigation jet which misfired, and the solar panels sustained some damage by space debris. normally, it's unnecessary to have confirmations of basic operations, but it makes perfect sense under C.'
asciilifeform: 'it's appropriate to make a machine print "hello world" to verify that everything works after all the mind-boggling nonsense has interfered with the real purpose of a computer, and you never know which part of booting up will fail due to a minor bug. the delight in a C programmer's eyes when his machine thus booted typed "hello world" back at him would probably parallel that of a Common Lisp programmer when the satellite communicati
asciilifeform: there does not exist such a thing as 'a c program', even the schoolbook 'hello world' relies on a megatonne of os crapola simply to load and produce human-readable out.
asciilifeform: there are gcc programmers, gcc-and-microshit programmers, etc.
asciilifeform: otherwise one day you discover 'surprise', gcc6 or whatever won't build trb, or worse, builds-with-boojum
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 15:33 asciilifeform: think 'old version.' if there existed a medieval gcc, i'd at least consider it.
asciilifeform: but C remains popular not merely because 'c compiler is the first thing to be ported to any new iron' but also because it is 'lowest common denominator.'
asciilifeform: e.g., anything pertaining to bignums - as hopefully is abundantly clear from the example.
asciilifeform: as per the immediately previous thread, some operations are actually SIMPLER, conceptually, to express in x86 asm than in c !
asciilifeform: now also, the effect of 'babelization' is instructively pertinent.
asciilifeform: but in all cases the idiocy is cumulative.
mircea_popescu: there's a fucking right way to do things, and this arbitrary "i shall now be a becoming actress" ain't it.
mircea_popescu: how is it that the republic can do just fine progressing at the clip of its own progress, no faster than that, nor slower ; and that while we don't specifically wnat to "do things" or set goals, nevertheless we do things and achieve (other people's) goals ?
mircea_popescu: if all you got is turnip beat the women to death.
asciilifeform: then menu is a) turnip b) dirt.
mircea_popescu: "i will now make apple pie out of turnips, because here in new york all we have is turnips. mmmmm delicious apple pie, new-york style. the angel morni told me so!"
mircea_popescu: as if that's the fucking criteria, what you know.
mircea_popescu: no dude. the reason the disease perpetuates itself is the functionally illiterate product of the stunted intellectual life in the colonies ; whereby there's this outpour of idiots who imagine "what i can do" is an acceptable limit of "what i shall do". so they'll be writing things in c "because that's what i know".
asciilifeform: (where the operands can be of any size you like)
asciilifeform: which is how the disease perpetuates itself.
mircea_popescu: the only valid statement of it is that "all other languages bootstrap in c". see recent discussion with phf.
mircea_popescu: no argument there
mircea_popescu: otherwise, florida had 500 people in 1770.
mircea_popescu: hey, it's what built the united states
asciilifeform: as for the 'kink high' aspect, the rubes are approaching the retardation in much the same way medieval folk approached the plague
asciilifeform: among other caltrops.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu knows very well what they do
mircea_popescu: pretty sure that's what gfx people do, for instance, some of the fellows that first encountered 128 bit, 256bit and so forth overflowing ints.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the solution everyone uses is to declare a special class made of arbitrary length bitfields and define procedures on it such as these.
mircea_popescu: ok. chiefly because the fashion in kink high this season is to pretend that fixed memory like this is not even used anymore.
asciilifeform: 'fixed memory' is what you get when you buy ram. no other kind is sold.
asciilifeform: it is used in every box you can presently buy. pretenses to the contrary.
mircea_popescu: none of these map to any code other than asm ; chiefly because fixed memory like this is not even used anymore.
asciilifeform: (the reverse is not true, of course)
asciilifeform: so to continue the tale, NONE of these ops (add-with-carry, shift-with-carry, etc) map to any conceivable c code !
mircea_popescu: myeah. except the one in my head ; cuz if i had made cpus then add dword 0xAABBCCDD, 0xAABBCCDD = 557799BA and adc dword 0xAABBCCDD, 0xAABBCCDD = 557799BA + set carry bit. but then again i dun make them.
mircea_popescu: so what happens if the first instruction overflows ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> add dword [edi], 0xAABBCCDD << say edi = 0xAABBCCDD. the contents of edi+4 after this will be 0.
asciilifeform: it adds the overflow bit (which can physically be 1 or 0, think about it) to the next add.
mircea_popescu: and if your first add overflows then what ?
asciilifeform: ( we are on a 32-bit box in this example ) and we add 0x12345678AABBCCDD , a 64-bit int, to another 64-bit int, to get a 128-bit result.
asciilifeform: 64-bit, rather
asciilifeform: let's say i'd like to add two 128-bit ints together.
asciilifeform: i will give example here, to nail in the point:
asciilifeform: the arch it ~was~ 'fancy macroasm' for no longer exists
mircea_popescu: i suppose these are unrelated complaints.
asciilifeform: well let's say that we redefined int as 64b. then the headache would simply be 'why does c not give us the 128-bit mul result that pentium happily disgorges when we mul rax, rbx'
mircea_popescu: worst fucking idea ever and who the fuck came up with it.
mircea_popescu: i spent 100s of engineer-hours fixing the idiocy of "int" not being 64 bit ; it's a disaster for human productivity directly comparable to the black death.
asciilifeform: from comments, '...there are many processor features that are not directly available in C even though they are available in a wide variety of processors (the overflow flag is a prime example). A similar situation that comes to my mind now is that 32bit*32bit multiplication results in a 32-bit integer in C even though most processors yield a 64-bit result...'
mircea_popescu: "may not use the datastructs you are dereferencing in any control code involving the dereferencing. F."
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. "This looks (to me) as good C code as it gets. However, this code triggers undefined behavior: after the first iteration of the loop frees the node pointed to by head, it is undefined behavior to perform the tmp != head comparison, even though head is not dereferenced." << if this looks like good c to him he would have flunked my higschool class.
asciilifeform: d 32-bit even though pointers became 64-bit. The problem now is that transformations that assumed integers and pointers to be the same size don't work anymore, because now their point of overflow is different.'
asciilifeform: e.g., 'Pointer arithmetic. In the good old times, an int and a pointer used to have the same size. People happily used ints as array indices. Array indexing is just pointer arithmetic, and in some architectures (like x86), you can often perform the pointer arithmetic plus load in a single instruction. Then came 64-bit architectures. For reasons I don't really get (compatibility?), on x86-64 and other 64-bit architectures ints remaine
asciilifeform: even if the peanut gallery has shat all over it.
asciilifeform: the issue in subj link is quite real though.
phf: that second link looks like alternative take on cdrcoding, but since the first post started with "i read on twitter from discussion on hacker news"..
mircea_popescu: all the various "c-with-serials-filed-off-because-i-wanna-john-smith-all-over-the-place" inherit this bizarre property.
mircea_popescu: you ever saw a "this should not be in c because it's stupid" in the past 30 or so years ?
asciilifeform is out of telepathic-psychoanalytic pills, is ill-equipped to answer the q of what 'c programmer's concept of identity' may be.
mircea_popescu: the ~only thing they produce is "oh yeah, those other people do that other thing ? SO DO WE!"
mircea_popescu: one node higher from that : i was unaware anyone involved actually had the subjective mechanism of indentity. it works like this "don't do that, only gypsies do that, we're not gypsies". that's identity. whereas who in c ever said anything of the kind ?
asciilifeform incidentally currently cpp's for money, and has much that could be said on the subj, but naggum already said it
asciilifeform: at least the cpp folk are - typically - aware that their retarded horror has broad swath of vendor-specific behaviours and miscellaneous strange.
asciilifeform: you'd be surprised, there are folks who are convinced that they've been 'programming in c' for 30+ yrs.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was like the romanian language, a subjective superset of all languages.
mircea_popescu: this is the first time i hear c had an identity.
mircea_popescu: (the word itself comes from "manliness" if anyone's curious)
mircea_popescu: i suppose a machete esp in the rula style as seen there is a very credible cavalry sword.
mircea_popescu: it may be illustrative to point out at this juncture that well over half of player time in eulora is spent with the character superimposed on a very pike like thing.
shinohai: So that's what that stick he is carrying in the new trilema banner is for.
shinohai: I consider asciilifeform the republican authority on impalement methods
asciilifeform: think 'old version.' if there existed a medieval gcc, i'd at least consider it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the parallels with medieval copyists invite themselves... << it's called scholarship, hater.
asciilifeform: for n00bz and perhaps also for mircea_popescu , i will add the note here, that lisp folk don't generally ~read~ the parens, they read the indentation. this requires proper tools, such that the possibility of encountering misindented crapola is ~= 0.
trinque: I have no idea whether ccl is a good idea (tm) (r)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551544 << sbcl already has an arm port, courtesy of nyef. i am doing the same work for cmucl, but i'm very far from actually getting there. i'm going by armv7 with vfpv3-d16, mostly because that's what ccl does and their code is imho most readable
phf: hmm, fair question, but i don't remember, i can't remember if tab even indents to the right place, i'll check in a bit
phf: fwiw they had a graphical editor going back to mit cadr, and it flashes and highlights
asciilifeform: phf: interlisp had a graphical 'structure editor', i have never used it, and now i wonder if the {} thing was slightly less braindamaged given the context of having it.
asciilifeform: sometimes a localized bit of custom notation is the only reasonably-compact abstraction.
asciilifeform: i like having the [], {}, etc. available for readtableisms.
phf: and then not give you readtable!
asciilifeform: that was one of the off-putting things, actually, re the clojure people, why did they have to clobber every key on the keyboard
asciilifeform: and also because genera was a product of adults, rather than children, it is a sin specifically of the latter to obsess over very dubious 'optimizations' like 'super-paren {}'
asciilifeform: phf: this is largely because they introduced proper editing
phf: true, or the fact that simple half a second "match opening paren" is pain, when you're typing )))) in a row
asciilifeform: or boxes fast enough to reindent 1000-line+ blocks every time the carriage return is hit
phf: i think it was a thing in vogue at some point, back when fexprs were still in the back of everyones minds
phf: i was looking at some mit cadr source and they do some totally insane stuff with parenthesis closing/opening
asciilifeform: (to explicit the ast)
asciilifeform: and perhaps one of the few things ~not~ worth taking from it, imho.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551486 << was it interlisp or maclisp that let you close multiple parenthesis with a single final one, like (do ((foo 1) (bar 2)) (blah (foo) == (do ((foo 1) (bar 2)) (blah (foo)))
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for some odd reason i cannot picture lafond in my mind as anything other than the character in the pathetic film 'the wrestler'.
PeterL: as far as mathematical/scientific papers go, asciiifying this one was not too bad.
asciilifeform: and i cannot help but wonder, did PeterL end up grokking the paper in the process of massaging it
PeterL: well, I copy/pasted out of pdf, then with bare hands had to fix just about every symbol (and for some reason it lost all the "a"s)
adlai: "The value of /= is true if no two numbers are the same in value; otherwise it is false." http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_eq_sle.htm
mircea_popescu: PeterL for the record, traditionally "not equal" is marked as != not /= because ! is the logical negation and also because / has other meanings ; while "less than or equal" is =< or <= or somesuch, not _<. why invent unexpected symbology ?
mircea_popescu: he's rather nice.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, at some point you gotta do the "sorry for your lues"
adlai: doncha remember, "sl_ seriouslt this is not mircea ... i saved the emails last year from when mircea donated for my thinkpad"
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/ethereum-developers-reach-violent-part-of-huffing-binge-with-come-at-me-bro/ << Qntra - Ethereum Developers Reach Violent Part Of Huffing Binge With "Come at me bro"
adlai: mircea_popescu: cheers! now i, too, can tell #cat-v that "there's no way that's the REAL mircea because ..."
trinque: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-October/000237.html << seems like the ml eats "Re: " at the front of a message
shinohai: http://archive.is/X4eIQ <<< a poor copycat of http://trilema.com/2016/my-first-bitcoin-or-how-do-i-get-some-satoshi/, 4 of the entires are the exact faucets trilema warns of dicking around with.
asciilifeform: mepian: what i want to make is a ZERO-closed-vendor-turd machine, among other things. and no existing fpga gives you this.
asciilifeform: and on at least six other occasions. somebody regularly shows up and asks re fpga.
a111: Logged on 2014-12-11 01:52 asciilifeform: decimation: notice that all known fpga manufacturers (xilinx, altera, lattice, a few others) have the same business model
a111: Logged on 2015-06-17 13:17 asciilifeform: you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 13:19 mepian: after reading about the plight of asciilifeform trying to implement a driver for gigabit NIC http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544183 I wonder if rolling your own NIC on FPGA in this fashion https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:19005/FULLTEXT01.pdf would be less insane
asciilifeform: mepian: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551507 << please read the xilinx threads .
PeterL: ^ I converted lamport paper to ascii, took some hand cranking to clean up after the machine gave it a try.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 17:36 asciilifeform: i hunted for years and found what imho is the simplest GB/s-capable nic, the rt8168. here is the linux driver, https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/tree/master/src
mepian: after reading about the plight of asciilifeform trying to implement a driver for gigabit NIC http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544183 I wonder if rolling your own NIC on FPGA in this fashion https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:19005/FULLTEXT01.pdf would be less insane
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/a-guide-for-torturing-cats-recently-voted-most-likely-to-psychopath-article-on-trilema-by-anonymous-and-otherwise-anodyne-romanian-speaking-derps/ << Trilema - A guide for torturing cats. Recently voted most likely to psychopath article on Trilema by anonymous and otherwise anodyne Romanian speaking derps.
mircea_popescu: and in other workplace training, http://66.media.tumblr.com/888cc827651ff69149b312944b2d5d75/tumblr_mf7aci4gaY1rx0ocqo1_500.gif
mepian: Hello and thanks for the voice
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/10/02/on-the-ultimate-justification-of-the-ethics-of-private-property-by-hans-hermann-hoppe-adnotated-part-4/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - On the Ultimate Justification of the Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, adnotated. Part 4.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Hillary Rodham-Clinton after putting the few remaining working Americans in a basket labelled deplorables during the weekend her legs buckled at Ground Zero, was discovered to have earlier alleged that many young American leftists were basement dwellers." << huh ?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this is weird orc lisp
asciilifeform: there is also apparently a http://flibusta.is/b/298985 , recent, but i have not read it.
mircea_popescu: and in other metro, http://67.media.tumblr.com/3b04cbdcd5bba02f0c4ec24860359122/tumblr_n83007m11b1t8btbqo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: I'm detecting a theme here.
mircea_popescu: and in other strange, http://67.media.tumblr.com/f837a269fe43445a9b7b0c574e247caf/tumblr_myihi9ld841t2pac0o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: the ss dood ?
asciilifeform: phf: there is 'the cruel hunters' but it is by 'esltards' iirc and not especially great
a111: Logged on 2016-10-02 20:59 asciilifeform still floored by the discovery that mccarthy spoke fluent ru and argued with maths folks there in '60s
mircea_popescu: they're pretty great to watch ; sort-of like spending some time with the "the official transcaucasia puskin poetry club" and their literary criticism of last year's literary mags.
mircea_popescu: n somewhat other news, http://www.evz.ro/un-interviu-de-pomina-serghei-lavrov-cabotinul-acuza-sua-ca-nu.html (entirely obscure romanian "expert" of the usg.nato.romania.experts indirection has... WATCHED TV! and has oppinions! as to how reality is! and things! consensus! international community!
mircea_popescu: but wait, there's more! http://66.media.tumblr.com/9b88d432a27f6ee20b646ebbbc2f5c3a/tumblr_n7kcuwG1tB1t8btbqo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: Sign needs qr and "Monero accepted" at the bottom
shinohai knows of no other drug in local dialect referred to by that unit of measure
mircea_popescu: i thought you heard them lol
mircea_popescu: how much does the crap go for ?
shinohai: The joys of listening to your neighbors buy crystal meth using your sdr dongle
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: consider http://www.golfdom.com/selective-postemergence-herbicide-control-of-bermudagrass-in-zoysia-fairways/
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: oh yeah they require login to see trust ratings
mircea_popescu: in which we also find that <blockquote><div style="word-wrap:break-word;"> als dun work. because why the fuck would anything work.
asciilifeform still floored by the discovery that mccarthy spoke fluent ru and argued with maths folks there in '60s
mircea_popescu: took a while to find. makes a nice counterpoint for all the 2kb long ones
mircea_popescu: apparently high class strippers shit with their underwear on.
jhvh1: znort987: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: znort987 there's been a bot control code standardization. you prolly want !~ (see also bots.contravex.com )
mircea_popescu: and in other "la vie est ailleurs" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/180b49b949d31ea294d7a56e5363561e/tumblr_mxy7ire7ln1t8btbqo1_1280.jpg
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/10/02/on-the-ultimate-justification-of-the-ethics-of-private-property-by-hans-hermann-hoppe-adnotated-part-3/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - On the Ultimate Justification of the Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, adnotated. Part 3.
thestringpuller: dunno their kyc scam yet, (more subtle than coinbase), but i'll find it.
thestringpuller: bitpay is scam. everyone i know who works there has turned up scammer.
shinohai: Coinbase tx's are notoriously slow I think they manually process I dunno. I'm banned from there.
mircea_popescu: in other news i just produced a 65 item stack trace
mircea_popescu: in totally uninteresting anecdote, back in the 80s i was chiefly speaking romanian, and in romanian the bad guys = us (uniunea sovietica) ; the good guys su (statele unite). thirty years later...
asciilifeform: in other olds - http://www.computer-museum.ru/histsoft/lisp_sorucom_2011.htm << lisp in su. i for one had nfi that j. mccarthy went there and taught.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-02 06:11 adlai: asciilifeform: how much value is there in getting the Gizmo Explorer as a first educational toy in this field, given that I currently have no idea what to do with it other than pilling and whatever else you suggest?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-02#1551344 << anyone who claims to be doing os or bios dev and does not have this instrument is deaf and blind. but if you aren't into either, then it is just a very threadbare comp.
adlai: lol google knows what's up: "<NEURAL RAPE REDACTED> is solving the quarter life crisis by empowering individuals to explore career and lifestyle change aspirations through short term remote experiences"
adlai: yeah i'm thinking of getting me a birthday present for the qlc
thestringpuller: I'm srsly tempted to pull a Danny Glover in "Good Fences" and burn their house down.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-02 03:24 BingoBoingo: Well you're in Georgia. You would have the unenviable task of neighbors trying to grow lawn cancer.
adlai: asciilifeform: how much value is there in getting the Gizmo Explorer as a first educational toy in this field, given that I currently have no idea what to do with it other than pilling and whatever else you suggest?
shinohai: In Georgia, the epitome of great lawncare is seeing how many dilapidated cars you can have sitting on cinder blocks.
BingoBoingo: Well you're in Georgia. You would have the unenviable task of neighbors trying to grow lawn cancer.
shinohai: I have the privilege of having no lawn of my own to dose.
BingoBoingo: I was applying a healthy dose of priviledge to my lawn today and the idea came to me.
shinohai: I rather enjoyed that piece
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is that.
asciilifeform bbl -- there is much meat.
trinque: ty very much for the pill, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: or that it does not contain subtle lie (this is a problem with every single example extant, including the one linked earlier, they have subtle deviations from what the actual silicon does, we know this from YEARS of thankless sweat by various linux folk)
asciilifeform: how do i verify that $chipdoc is not only correct but ~complete~, much less the ~original~..?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-01 23:34 mircea_popescu: seems ~the only liable to be productive way forward is offering rewards for stolen originals.
asciilifeform: i recommend to - at first - use only the usb-serial hole.
asciilifeform: aaah and i almost forgot, there is another possible problem. if the box you plugged the serial cable into has pissed down the line, anything whatsoever, the ethernet interface will be confounded
asciilifeform: (the stock version is ~useless with mips, for instance)
asciilifeform: so trinque , anywhere in my paste http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nkmho/?raw=true where you see 'Sending packet' you can try the command manually
asciilifeform: where CHECKSUM is 'the unsigned sum of all the characters in the packet data modulo 256. It is represented as a pair of hexadecimal digits.' ( as described http://www.embecosm.com/appnotes/ean4/embecosm-howto-rsp-server-ean4-issue-2.html , section 2.3 )
asciilifeform: this is gdb command, the syntax is simple, $COMMANDGOESHERE#CHECKSUM
mircea_popescu: this may be the first time alf had a HIGHER version.
asciilifeform: you might have to get the same gdb i have, to properly compare.