adlai: mircea_popescu: dude there is tons of 'cut stone' here. i don't expect you to visit the non-WoT p2sh.info, but i'll tl;dr for you: there are currently just over 1.8 million btc secured by the goodwill of miners, and a nested ripemd160(sha256(x)) collision
mircea_popescu: every day PeterL migrates closer in my head to the absolute epitome of midwest.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: the former.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: only if that amd key phuctors. or the idiocy in subj thread is finessed in some other way.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690 << any notion of the odds on apu2 being useful for the republic, asciilifeform ?
deedbot: PeterL rated ben_vulpes 1 << the real bitcoin foundation
deedbot: PeterL rated mod6 1 << the real bitcoin foundation
deedbot: PeterL rated asciilifeform 1 << the real brains around here
PeterL: I guess I deserve it for going to junk-food (heavy on the junk) places
PeterL: <rant> I hate these single spigot fountain beverage dispensers popping up in all the fast-food places (whoopty-doo you can have 1001 flavor combinations, I just want Coke!) so many flavors to choose from, but none of them come out right </rant>
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the problem is that it's not rubble. historically, rubble consists of chunks of cut stone, such as marble, that are intrinsically valuable. this shit is simply human filth ; there wasn't much of a business in salvaging the remains of executed camp inmates in nazi germany ; even through they went over it, burned and bone-ground them later.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 17:05 adlai: sure, but there are two kinds of "unwind" here and i'm not sure which you mean. one is roughly "i will not honor a confirmed bitcoin transaction which has inputs coming from a prevout that looked like [op_hash160 <data> op_equal]", whereas the other is "no miner will honor a block containing any such transaction". the former is easy, the latter requires miner collaboration
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553284 << i wonder if in the future, when the earthquake hits all this "layered innovation", if there will be business in salvaging the rubble (i.e. that spend-all NOOP shit miners are to view as 5 wheel solution)
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553085 << looks fine to me, but nevertheless i'm not interested in fighting browsers over table rendering.
mircea_popescu: the whole interface-to-distributed-db thing is broken, not just "wallets" or "accounts"
mircea_popescu: which is the point here : using ANYTHING made by usg.vc.* is risky, and opens one to various liabilities downstream. including among them - that you will be unwound.
mircea_popescu: if history is any guide, i manage to gather miner support to quash "internet entrepreneurs" of the vc-aspirant variety a whole of a lot more often than the converse.
adlai: sure, but there are two kinds of "unwind" here and i'm not sure which you mean. one is roughly "i will not honor a confirmed bitcoin transaction which has inputs coming from a prevout that looked like [op_hash160 <data> op_equal]", whereas the other is "no miner will honor a block containing any such transaction". the former is easy, the latter requires miner collaboration
mircea_popescu: and in general - "innovation" on top of bitcoin is extremely risky an endeavour. the item itself is the heart of reaction ; and the notion that "nobody would dare" unwind the "developments" of usg.tards runs into the plain statement that i certainly will.
adlai: "addresses" tell a ~sender~ how to build an output, so that the recipient can spend it later
mircea_popescu: fine. we release code which ignores txn which involve 3-whatever addresses on the in side ; everyone uses it ; the end.
mircea_popescu: no ; we release code which ignores attempts to spend 3-whatever addresses ; everyone uses it ; the end.
mircea_popescu: adlai how would the someone convert my copy of the blockchain so that payment would appear to proceed from a 1-lead bitcoin address ?
mircea_popescu: and in further "holy shit broken linux" news : minigame is endeavouring to keep snapshots of various distros to mitigate the fact that the shitheads in charge tend to break software for no reason. to do this, one needs dkpg, and dkpg-dev (not -devel, mind). which enforces arbitrary python and httpd version requirements, because why the fuck not.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 14:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553189 << read what was being said. i do not discuss the matter in outside terms. should WE stop allowing 3-lead addresses, all coins found there will be gone.
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553217 << i don't understand what you mean. the only sense in which coins will be "gone" is that whoever knows first that miners stopped enforcing the "op_eval", and knows preimages, can claim the coins for themselves; but they're not 'gone' in the sense of 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE
PeterL: changing the hash algo - one of those little things which should be in the "everything you should know when you start using a computer" list
a111: Logged on 2014-10-16 14:00 mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dunno man, can't say i try even
thestringpuller: Gotta figure out how you are able to manage the Napoleon sleep schedule.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: sorry for missing your message I was ptfo by then.
asciilifeform: (rom will be difficult to read passively, and the most practical way would be to restore whatever antifuses they blew that prevent debugging of the fritz core, and attach debug probe.)
asciilifeform: ftr, if the amd turd is anything like other recent similar, you will also need ion beam machine
asciilifeform: (in mircea_popescu's zimbabwe, it could be the microscope that is expensive, or even unobtainable other than by boat)
asciilifeform: as often is the case, it is ~space~ that is the expensive piece, in this particular zimbabwe.
asciilifeform: (and the analogy, sadly, falls down, consider how many autos there are, and how many - microscopes.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this would be great for reddit. "Hi. I live in <ZIP> and I need access to {list} instrument in order to explore the AMD chip so and so. Anyone know anyone ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform per-hour cost of car with driver (another ~70k item) is about 100 bux give or take. youget teh idea.
asciilifeform: and i am quite uncertain whether in this pesthole there even ~exists~ the requisite instrument.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 10:49 adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553120 << so this is actually incorrect; should miners stop respecting the P2SH softfork, these coins will suddenly become a lot more spendable than before. anybody who can reproduce the input script preimage could spend them, even if they don't know data which would make that preimage script validate
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553189 << read what was being said. i do not discuss the matter in outside terms. should WE stop allowing 3-lead addresses, all coins found there will be gone.
asciilifeform: at any rate, it isn't as if i needed 10 minutes with the thing.
mircea_popescu: then wonder wtf is wrong with them. well... how about "they didn't suck any 30yo dick when they were 16."
asciilifeform: i suspect they are slowly phasing in 'dude X was in place Y at time T' anti-hooliganism/generic preparation for usgschwitz tracking systems.
mircea_popescu: how to produce an esltard ? keep kids isolated among themselves with a steady diet of cancerous shit from idiots like what's his face
asciilifeform: PeterL: that probably isn't it, because there are still stinking hobos in the computer labs.
PeterL: or making the precious snowflakes feel insecure
asciilifeform: fwiw when i was a very, very paying customer, there was still no access to microscope.
mircea_popescu: ie, pointing and laughing at whatever "rape" "black lives matter" "occupy wallstreet" etc fashion of the day ?
PeterL: they do not want "random guy off street" "causing problems for students"
asciilifeform: and i recently found that the dining hall can only be entered by folks with correct fingerprint.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the uni barely allows access to the motherfucking bus from the train station, for plebes.
asciilifeform: though if i could get at the rom, betcha it will not be necessary to break the rsa key. there is some unwritten rule whereby the fritz sig authenticators are always porous.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553181 << i half-expected one or more of'em to pop. but they did not.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nevermind, filled.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, can you get it ?
adlai handwaves aside the issue of parsing an the format beginning with a 3; once in the blockchain, these addresses are just: [op_hash160 <preimage> op_equal], which is a valid script for clients going all the way back to satoshi
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553120 << so this is actually incorrect; should miners stop respecting the P2SH softfork, these coins will suddenly become a lot more spendable than before. anybody who can reproduce the input script preimage could spend them, even if they don't know data which would make that preimage script validate
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553109 << it's done as a soft-fork. the transactions sending to&from P2SH addresses are valid for all nodes, except that miners enforce an additional constraint before confirming spends from such addresses: the preimage of the address must ~also~ execute as a valid script
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 04:47 asciilifeform: what do you use these for, again, mircea_popescu
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 03:54 trinque: from now on I'm gonna have a pang of "OH SHIT, WAS IT THE AMD KEYS?!" every time there's a phuctor rss
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 02:26 asciilifeform: the thing i do not understand is, how does the thing not fork? say i fire up a prbtron and prbsend to A. then fire up trbtron and send same coin to B.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553121 << miners won't mine the 2nd send is what prevents.
mircea_popescu: because i invented a new manner of tying her hands behind her back and fucking her standing during the weekend
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
lobbes: but I guess you gotta weed through the derps to see if any will stick
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 04:48 asciilifeform: i cannot picture any use for them, try as i might.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553162 << my understanding is that eulora n00bs have value in that they can yield lower-quality raw materials that players with higher skills cannot, and there's a current n00b shortage
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552971 << i dun get, why not steal the plaintext shitmail upstream with echelon etc.?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 23:15 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyoen going to the coreboot conference in berlin ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1553050 << what's the draw? phreee wagner 'n cyanide ?
asciilifeform: other than biodiesel.
asciilifeform: i cannot picture any use for them, try as i might.
asciilifeform: what do you use these for, again, mircea_popescu
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
trinque: from now on I'm gonna have a pang of "OH SHIT, WAS IT THE AMD KEYS?!" every time there's a phuctor rss
asciilifeform: 8ball will keep makin' the rubble bounce.
trinque: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ << this "zenrio" has shown up before
trinque: adlai check it out; there's intelligence in booze.
asciilifeform: pirits and the forests for unconventional allies.'
asciilifeform: elsewhere, 'It is indeed a great folk song, and although I don't know this as a fact, it seems to have been inspired by a certain depressive tendency surrounding alcohol. Many people don't quite understand this, but alcohol is an intelligence, along with all other vegetable derivatives and extracts. This isn't negative, but you can definitely tell the difference between a sober German musician and the ones who tread into bars for s
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: the thing i do not understand is, how does the thing not fork? say i fire up a prbtron and prbsend to A. then fire up trbtron and send same coin to B.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your trb node is not capable to send money from derpy addresses ; which is ok because it's also not able to send to them. other people are more than free to do whatever the fuck they like.
mircea_popescu: trinque actually - wallet does notice the new inbound tx spending from one of its addresses.
mod6: "Estimated Value Sent" excludes known change addresses. For example, let's say we have a single transaction where address A sends 1 BTC to address B and also 1 BTC back to address A as change, then only 1 BTC is estimated to have been sent. Proper use of a new change address for each transaction (like all HD wallet implementations) obfuscate this feature.
mod6: asciilifeform: huh, weird. looking at block '432901', the first one in the list @ mimisbrunnr that says 'Unable to decode...' is this txn: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/7affd7cd864678e0ed23a96841c8ef8a76f0df3521a230d94e9d9cf8e1e12dc7/
mod6: <+trinque> because highs transactions would be malleated to lows, and then the wallet wouldn't notice they confirmed << aha. right on.
asciilifeform: does it thereby follow that prb and trb have differing notions of how much coin is contained in A ?
shinohai: likely one of the prb turds not supported
asciilifeform: i see quite a few of these.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:21 shinohai: https://whispersystems.org/bigbrother/eastern-virginia-grand-jury/ <<< heh signal got subpoenaed for user data
trinque: because highs transactions would be malleated to lows, and then the wallet wouldn't notice they confirmed
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:37 trinque: the damned wallet, cursed be its name
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 08:55 jurov: if it's in lisp, just dump the sexpr, don't even bother with backwards compat
trinque: isn't in gettransaction so neh. I'll just link to the block for now.
ben_vulpes: if you can be happified with index-in-block for the short term, i'll give you an index anchor.
trinque: it's the pigs fault for dressing so slutty
trinque: the damned wallet, cursed be its name
ben_vulpes: i'm not doing that immediately because it means either parallelize the hashing of transactions or precompute and cache them.
ben_vulpes: not until i rewrite the storage layer.
trinque: ben_vulpes: neato. can I get anchors for transaction IDs on the block pages?
shinohai: " I simply do not support stealth addresses, multisig addresses, or any other power ranger horseshit at this time." ^___________^
shinohai: https://whispersystems.org/bigbrother/eastern-virginia-grand-jury/ <<< heh signal got subpoenaed for user data
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyoen going to the coreboot conference in berlin ?
mircea_popescu: ith an Intel key. It's unlikely that this is ever replaced by something open source. Firmware that runs on an ARC core inside the chipset. It runs entirely out-of-band with the main CPU. It has DMA access to the entire system memory and can access the networking adapters in a way transparent to the OS (separate MAC and IP)."
mircea_popescu: and in other very, very sads : On Intel based chipsets (since Intel 5 Series) the following binary components persist: Panic level: 9000+ Management Engine firmware: The management engine is a separate CPU that does various management tasks and needs its own firmware. This firmware exists in a 1.5MB and a 5MB version, where the latter provides the "Intel AMT" functions (ie. remote access, "anti-theft", ...). Probably signed w
mircea_popescu: The CoinCrack team is made up of entrepreneurs, designers, developers, bloggers and social media gurus.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i dun recall which one it i was and dun really have the patience to dig all the way. one of, admitting they're any different.
mircea_popescu: nah, it was one of the mainstream-ish processors.
ben_vulpes: https://assets.toggl.com/images/toggl-how-to-save-the-princess-in-8-programming-languages.jpg
shinohai is amazed at # of scammers that will put forth effort for $20 ... then of course I started Eulora
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, they end up keeping like 20 bux or w/e it was.
mircea_popescu tried once to pay using one of these scam things, they put up the bill, received the bitcoin, then refused to actually pay the bill unless i "identify".
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course he has no idea about the daughters
BingoBoingo: ple who move into another culture look around and see the culture of the neighborhood? I asked one of them why, and they said that it's so they can get more sun to the ground so they can "farm" -- I understand this in the back yards, but why in the front? None of them are planting anything there! : (" << quite the gem
BingoBoingo: "Recent refugee move-ins in our neighborhood are hacking up the beautiful trees in their yards with machetes. Sometimes it's just removing lower branches (although pine trees have been denuded up as much as 12 feet or more), but other times all branches are hacked off, leaving a 10-15-foot stub. Why can't they at least use hand saws? I feel so bad for the trees, and our neighborhood is starting to look like a disaster area. Why can't peo
asciilifeform: last i checked, they did not
mircea_popescu: i think they do yea
asciilifeform: and whatever other interesting fritz keys.
asciilifeform: nooow somebody gotta do the intel turds.
asciilifeform: (modified version thereof pasted earlier.)
asciilifeform: kudos to jurov for the generator.
asciilifeform: rectothermoscope.
asciilifeform: these tend to come in when we have threads like earlier.
mircea_popescu: well, they got microscope!
asciilifeform: in other hilarities, i pick up the phone, and it is yet moar unsolicited work offers from usg.
mircea_popescu: eh, iirc it's divulged on trilema they've been stealing email contents and selling to spammers for half a decade or more by now.
mircea_popescu: isn't that always the thing.
asciilifeform: ( if only i had these last year ... )
asciilifeform: earlier he sent me complete symbol tables for the sage rom.
kmalkki: gotta go. ping me in #coreboot if there's more guestions
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: there is of course jurov's http://explo.yt/post/2016/05/20/Parsing-OpenSSH-RSA-keys-in-Python
asciilifeform: no but if it follows same pattern as the exponent
asciilifeform: (conceivably the cheapest way to read out the boot rom would be to get arbitrary code execution in the stock turdlet)
asciilifeform: kmalkki: also interestingly, the turdlets are supposedly arm-compatible, and - to naked eye, seeing strings - plainly unciphered, but they do not appear to disassemble cleanly as either big- or little-endian arm.
asciilifeform: all but the last is littleendian-even.
asciilifeform: they parse.
asciilifeform: yes, the parsed-out mods.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the moduli in the self-signed blobs end in : d6 e1 1c ec ; 46 0a d0 9a ; be fe 39 b6 ; 2c c3 f2 a2 ; 46 0a d0 9a ; 13 7d e7 c3 .
mircea_popescu: anyway /me had the idea you got one in your garage, nfi why exactly.
kmalkki: whether it is mask rom or fused hash at production is also unknown
asciilifeform: where the actual verification routine lives
asciilifeform: (and if it did not, i still don't see how glomming bits onto the payload would change the outcome of the verification)
mircea_popescu: there doesn't seem to be much restriction of form whatsoever ; not even of size, re that collided turd.
asciilifeform: the master key, interestingly, has no self-sig.
asciilifeform: observe that the exponents are 01 00 01 00 00 .......
kmalkki: where exactly do you see the even number
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552874 << evidently not, they are not functions of the exponent or modulus (they stay constant across variations in both of the latter)
asciilifeform: otherwise, in the case of the 1st one seen here, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wv3x3/?raw=true , it would be even?!
asciilifeform: kmalkki: this would suggest that the modulus is stored big-endian ?!
asciilifeform: they are constant for each blobset.
asciilifeform: in all of the keys.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i just verified, indeed, they left a 2048-bit long chunk of bits for the 65537 to live in !
asciilifeform: it was interesting, but does not help with the crippled psp.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2014/Fahrplan/system/attachments/2503/original/ccc-final.pdf << these ?
asciilifeform: if it reduces to the same thing, given lack of revocation mechanism
asciilifeform: though it raises the question of why they would not simply share their master key with the OEMs then
asciilifeform: do you happen to know the format ?
asciilifeform: kmalkki: something is strange. the format appears to be little-endian, but if we look at some of the pubkeys in http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k081w/?raw=true , they would appear to be EVEN
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: narrows the space, yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pubkey-with-header, presumably, so i'd like to know 1) where is the modulus 2) is there checksum etc.
asciilifeform: (i.e. if the collision needs to be a turd in a similar format)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can be pretty expensive if there is any structure checking
asciilifeform: kmalkki: so all we need is a collision to break the thing ?
kmalkki: there is SHA-256 hash of AmdPubKey.bin stored in PSP BootROM
mircea_popescu: finally a use for all that plastic sludge in the pacific.
asciilifeform: the sea, lol, but apparently it is possible to 'lubricate' tapwater, reduces vorticing and friction loss. discovered in '70s in su, iirc, never used for anything.
asciilifeform: https://github.com/coreboot/coreboot/blob/master/util/amdfwtool/amdfwtool.c << this appears to show where it ends up sitting down in the coreboot flash image, but not the format.
kmalkki: I believe I know the key format, 1 min
asciilifeform: kmalkki: do you perchance know the format of the amd public keys seen here : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552732 ( from coreboot dist )
asciilifeform: kmalkki: i know that it is in the private one, yes.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
kmalkki: it has been removed from the public BKDG
asciilifeform: if you would like to post them publicly, send them pgp-encrypted to any of the folks here.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: but the other prong of this is your apparent discovery that new g-series boards disable hdt somehow
asciilifeform: so that folks do not need to rely on the extinct smartprobe and can make own debugger (the pinout is public)
asciilifeform: kmalkki: now more interestingly, hdt is simply a protocol on top of jtag, imho the main scientific interest in the smartprobe fw would be to extract the protocol.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: the stellaris arm also had jtag pins, handily brought out to pcb, as seen here, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sage/test_points.jpg , i plugged it into a busblaster and eventually stepped through the execution from reset to where it checked the serial.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: ida happily eats the update payload.
PeterL: the question I have, is lamport-achute any easier for people to understand if written in python than in bash?
kmalkki: I chose the smallest raw binary, SmartUpdater to experiment with
trinque: other times, vintage gpg, complete deps for trb, all sorts of things
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
mircea_popescu: maybe the privkey is in mask rom ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it just me or is it a strange thing that the pubkey is in there at all.
BingoBoingo: Anyways this seems to be the way the Republic's eye works. Jools are hiding in plain sight unseen. Republican eye turn upon them for unrelated bsns. Jools get got.
BingoBoingo: Why wouldn't they give it away? Sony did.
asciilifeform: it is the key format that interested me.
mircea_popescu: the privexp doesn't seem to be used/referenced in that code snippet though.
mircea_popescu: no there it is, line 839
asciilifeform: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/samsung_slsi/exynos5/+/master/libkeymaster/tlcTeeKeymaster_if.c#831 << possibly the key format.
asciilifeform: will offload part of AGESA to the PSP, making memory init even part of the PSP :(' -- https://www.coreboot.org/Binary_situation .
asciilifeform: 'PSP: The Cortex A8 running trustzone firmware, implemented from family 15h model 60h (Carrizo) and family 16h model 30h (Mullins) and up. It is running Trustonic TEE OS licensed by AMD. PSP Boot ROM runs *before* x86 core. Then non-bootrom PSP parts are stored (zlib-compressed) in the main flash. Bypass mechanism available via strap pin, but dummy and AMD signed bypass binaries needs to be always run. It is expected that newer CPUs
asciilifeform: i'd like to get their pubkey into phuctor, but it is in some peculiar format. (if somebody can discern a modulus in there, please write in.)
asciilifeform: no need to extract, it is right there !
asciilifeform: the payloads aren't, interestingly, encrypted
asciilifeform: 'AMD’s PSP is based around a single 32-bit ARM Cortex-A5, with its own isolated ROM and SRAM but has access to system memory and resources. It contains logic to deal with the x86 POST process but also features a cryptographic co-processor.' << they stuffed, finally, their 'fritz chip', into the g-series.
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
jurov: nevermind, seems i misread the code
trinque: so this is what happens when you invert the dakka
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.larrycollinsfineart.com/arsenault/John%20Arsenault%20-Patriotic%20Overload,%202001%20c-print.jpg (notice the toes.)
PeterL: there is probably a better way to convert into hex, but I was getting hex with an L at the end of the string, because python
asciilifeform: PeterL: what is the logic in ' if hexmessage[-1] == 'L': ' ?
asciilifeform: notice, with my original, you can substitute in your favourite hasher without changing the code.
PeterL: uses the same formatting for files, so you should be able to e.g. generate key with one and use it on the other
mircea_popescu: perhaps the entomo-lulziest bit in the historical pile, of course, being https://archive.is/bhnUj (2012-03 vs http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-i/ 2011-09).
asciilifeform: 'The theory is that while a court can compel someone to not speak (a gag order), it cannot compel someone to lie.' << orly.
asciilifeform: to know which way the elevator is going.
mircea_popescu: depends for whom. for idiots there's no sufficient stalingrad. kinda the definition.