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trinque: others are either key reuse or the same box with multiple IPs
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo epic how many and varied benefits the eth derives from it's large, fast blocks.
adlai: BingoBoingo: this is top shit but as a Person i take offense at your using personal pronouns in reference to a mere octopus tentacle. sure, maybe the whole octopus aspires to tulpahood, but why extend the honor to a mere appendage?
ben_vulpes: surely there's another server somewhere they haven't restarted.
mircea_popescu: us is the new china, by now china has much better plastics than this 1982 shit
ben_vulpes: god the things are made of plastic.
ben_vulpes: five of the stringers bent!
ben_vulpes: hyuuu the littoral lolz continue! LCS bumped into a tug and opened up a foot-long crack along a weld seam.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-07#1553903 << lol, where didja expect it to go. it isn't like the old soviet jamming of 'voice of america', this one doesn't cost anything.
ben_vulpes halfway tempted to install the openid wordpress plugin, but...meh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for that exact reason. most of the taxpayers are complicit and group-guilty.
ben_vulpes: and nfi re the second point
asciilifeform: 'hello, is this hitler? i saw there is a hole in one of your camp fences, untermenschen are escaping, send help quickly'
asciilifeform: re other ben_vulpes link, ' I've responsibly disclosed this vulnerability to Google and it has been fixed...' << why the FUCK does anyone still do this.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i would not rule out the bootrom.bin being identical, or similar, to the one in the amd thread. and the linked author's refusal to share it is rank cowardice, must point out.
mircea_popescu: here's the beauty : any idiot can delete anything he wants. heck, out of the ~7 bn pointless ruminants currently masquerading as members of the human race, we could say all actually "have" bitcoin, it's just they... deleted it.
shinohai: I refuse to read that on the grounds it might give me cancer
asciilifeform: aha! them.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the dept. of sad sacks of shit, https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizardry/mimblewimble.txt >> 'Q. If you delete the inputs, double spending can happen. A. In fact, this means: maybe someone claims that some unspent output was spent in the old days. But this is impossible, otherwise the sum of the combined transactioncould not be zero.'
shinohai: At least their is no hurricane coming or anything like that
shinohai: "Gov. Pat McCrory has let become law without his signature a bill transferring money from a disaster-relief fund to pay to defend the state against lawsuits over HB2."
mircea_popescu: in other sense, i have this pot full of lovage on the balcony. it rocks ; by now it's the size of having eaten a small baby.
mircea_popescu: what the...
phf: "When her best friend died, she used artificial intelligence to keep talking to him ☶ cogsci theverge.com"
mircea_popescu: in other news, node blackholing is still here and healthy.
shinohai: I think eth devs intentionally make the most faggoty sounding names for patches.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the strat is to go after cases. "we have these here three horny fifteen year olds, ergo your site is banned. what, they're three out of fifty million ? ha-hA! you're not on the usg list of google apple etc, so your 50mn don't count. only fb's 50 million (which they misrepresent as 5bn) count. LISTS!!"
mircea_popescu: because hey, cheerleader suits have been around forever but boys still managed to control themselves ; whereas joking about coworker's boobs has not been around forever nor could anyone expect subhuman females to control self.
mircea_popescu: funny how deeply aware they are of the power transactions occuring. as per the current kink high, "giving boy power" = bad ; but giving women very similar power over, eg, "whether fuck jokes are acceptable in the workplace" is doublespent as "fairness" or "equality" not as a power grab.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, they plug it straight into the whole "rape culture" forced meme.
shinohai: But this is the puritan state of Utah.
shinohai: The story would have had a happy ending if that were the case.
mircea_popescu: wait so they go naked ?
mircea_popescu: "we already sold every head of cattle as participating in the real estate threadmill! doing anything else with your life IS TAX FRAUD!!11"
mircea_popescu: "modern day slavery" ie "not being taxpayer" for the fucking win already. what is wrong with these people.
shinohai can see the headlines from Roger Ver "This wouldn't have happened if we had bigger blocks to hide all the trafficking tx's in."
mircea_popescu: considering how sensitive the fuckers turn out to be to the topic, sex "trafficking" sounds like a perfect driver.
mircea_popescu: kinda the whole problem too. us senate held a fucking hearing into "omaygerd media people from phoenix are disturbing the star pattern!"
shinohai: Kinda the whole point of the platform.
mircea_popescu: "I mean really, coming from someone my age, there is too much access, like it's too easy for people to get on it and post an ad," she told California Special Agent Brian Fichtner, according to his affidavit. << the narrative.
mircea_popescu: shinohai it's ok for the state to steal, of course. it's just not ok for any person to run a business.
shinohai: Incarcerating them and forcing them to do labour, a-ok however!
mircea_popescu: it'd better GET fucking acceptable in texas, because the "innocent human beings" have no practical utility past that and so it's either it becomes acceptable in texas or texas becomes unacceptable altogether.
mircea_popescu: pffff. listen to them go, "Making money off the backs of innocent human beings by allowing them to be exploited for modern-day slavery is not acceptable in Texas,"
mircea_popescu: no idea who'd prefer her as a cocksucker seeing how her assets are at the other end and i'm sure there must be a nicely racked blondy to suck it instead, but hey. college kids, dunno what's what.
shinohai: The part of the leg between knee and ankle, looks like it has been through a chipper.
mircea_popescu: the...shins ?!
shinohai: God the cnemis on that girl though.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-07#1553848 << putting this in ONCE resulted in the &lt; and &gt; VERBATIM mutilation of entire post! by the code renderer.
mircea_popescu: entirely unrelatedly but just as lulzy, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ro_courts_suck.png (ro court prosecuting the brother of ex president replaced his name with ex president's name because what the hell's in a name! thus giving hope to every guy inside who ever said "you got the wrong guy!")
shinohai: Guess that's why they gave Bahamas one too.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
trinque: mega-useful and syntactically befuddling sugar for bolting the command inside to a fifo and passing as argument
asciilifeform: because that is the correct syntax. the other - rubbish.
asciilifeform: (possibly not wp per se, but the plugin i used to format code fragments. i fought with it for a while, and gave up)
asciilifeform: try as i might, i was unable to zap the space between the < and (.
ben_vulpes: WE! ARE! THE ROGER VER PERCENT!
shinohai: I loll'd at his tweet earlier this morning, so ecstatic that they have 1% of all mining power on their phork
mircea_popescu: shinohai "will you give a shit ? let us know in comments below". apparently they forgot to add to the pinoy workorders, because about as empty as evan fraggart's gaze.
trinque: should always come off like you're clearing your throat the morning after a moonshine bender
shinohai: http://archive.is/VkjX4 <<< nothing like free booze to lube the blocksize debate
mircea_popescu: what's to elaborate, i have nfi what the guy you quote wants to do.
ben_vulpes: what the fuck is a password
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is an automatic login.
mircea_popescu: get the whole couchette compartment is still the best way to travel
mircea_popescu: usg is the ultimate lolcow factory.
mircea_popescu: + of course the "money is of no consequence, plenty of things more important '''in life'''" bit, not to mention the "you gotta just keep faith and hold out forever!" etc.
shinohai: Well, they asked for it
asciilifeform: ah this is the one where they added 'and now it costs ~ a hundy, and plenty of idiots still remain to whom to do it'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was in crypto-'13. iirc, the original 'here is how much amazonium it takes to break n-bit rsa'
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo pretty sure that is the wrong cart for that load https://i.imgur.com/qE6kGWQ.jpg
shinohai: I guess they figure they need to send the big cheeses after you.
mircea_popescu: no it was John ford-kerry or w/e ketchup firm they named him after.
mircea_popescu: "although no word was available as to whether any iTunes gift cards were recovered the haul" BingoBoingo ?
mircea_popescu: just like they don't suspect the rain of being radioactive ; they wouldn't suspect ebay of being run by you know, someone.
mircea_popescu: the cattle regards the fence as "part of its environment". it endows it with basic assumptions of fairness etc derived from the "fact" that it & its fellow moos still moo.
trinque: a pile of cleartext sexprs manipulated through a transactional constraints checker would be superior, even, to the relational example.
trinque: insert into `/etc/hosts` (ip, hostname) select ip, hostname from `/var/db/dhcp.leases`; << the only reason this (represented in *any* syntax, has nothing to do with SQL itself) isn't possible is that "freedom" plus autism equals makework
shinohai: Todays ebay scam brought to you by the US Army http://archive.is/Mcf5H
trinque: one could have that and impose some rigorous structure over the damned thing too
BingoBoingo: * trinque avoids discussing /var lest he have an aneurysm. << /var is great. Most stuff belongs there!
ben_vulpes: but that's the best i've found as well.
ben_vulpes: iirc there is no canonical specificity of diddling article
a111: Logged on 2015-05-30 04:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, at some point one of us needs to write the canonical 'specificity of diddling theorem' article.
mircea_popescu: hm, anyone recall the "the canonical 'specificity of diddling theorem' article." as per http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-30#1148301 ?
mircea_popescu: and i'm going to write up that " "If you need more security than RSA-2048 offers, the way to go would be to switch to elliptical curve cryptography" nonsense ; because it's getting ridiculous
mircea_popescu: PeterL it's sha-256 long, but you're right, not the correct value
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of your earlier links contained yet another 'happy surprise' - there are TWO INCOMPATIBLE keccaks floating around, by decree of His Putrid Majesty, one of'em is simply the normal keccak but it appends a constant turd to the input (nfi why)
mircea_popescu: from littoral combat ships to convenience paper cups, all the way and whichever way. the usg way!
PeterL: I don't think it matched up with sha2 either
diana_coman: indeed; not has it then it is
mircea_popescu: this then would qualify as "not has it".
diana_coman: it's version 1.3.1 in the repos from what I see
mircea_popescu: diana_coman of course the q now is, if it has it or "has" it, like seen above with PeterL 's experience with a v 1.3.1 that fraudulently misrepresented sha2 as sha3
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'd rather freeze an openbsd and steal portage from gentoo
mircea_popescu: none of these is 2gb wtf
mircea_popescu: what the fuck.
trinque did another base install of gentoo the other day, was something like 1.5-2gb
trinque: meanwhile gentoo, which obviates the whole F35^H^H^Hdebian-style build infrastructure, bloats by the day
mircea_popescu: ah, this is only vaguely related to eulora ; inasmuch as i've decided to keep snapshots of known-good linuxen and in the process discovered the horribru state of "open source" opsec
trinque: sure if he meant end user of Eulora compiles. I understood that most of them download binaries.
trinque: there is an example with the rpm target in the Makefile using ADDLDFLAGS, should also work with target "all"
PeterL: "brewing by an espresso machine caused significant loss of furanic compounds." < from another study on mircea_popescu's link
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> then ok ; but it doesn't exist on plenty of boxes and in most distros - is the point. <- ubuntu 14.04 at least actually has it
mircea_popescu: furan is a degradation product ; mostly driven by thermal shock.
mircea_popescu: it's actually from the coffee.
PeterL: I thought it was the cajuns that made everything out of mayo?
PeterL: did I forget the sarcasm tag again?
ben_vulpes: that's either very charitable or very naive
mircea_popescu: they don't seem to take very long in adding the official usg holes to "their" packages.
PeterL: eventually all the open source guys will get around to adding this to thier packages
mircea_popescu: (and from looking through the log - no, it didn't. but anyway)
mircea_popescu: then ok ; but it doesn't exist on plenty of boxes and in most distros - is the point.
phf: when i learned unix from graybeard, i was actually told things like "have your etc mounted read only for day to day operation, have your var on separate drive since that's where all the thrashing is" etc.
trinque: thing's overrun with autistaxonomy n-levels deep, because the filesystem is a terrible database.
trinque: since this is probably clickbait fiction, they should rewrite it in a month with the dude playing lead. it'd be funnier.
trinque: I can only assume "go in through my stomach" is "abdomen" for the anatomically illiterate.
trinque: then there's /opt which roughly translates to "fuck it, I'm putting this turd all by itself in say /opt/rhash-1.3.3/"
trinque: on openbsd for example, /usr contains things shipped with the release. anything installed from ports is in /usr/local .
trinque: though this distinction has gotten pretty muddy over the years
PeterL: what's the difference between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin ?
shinohai: now you can copy the one you built to /usr/local/bin and good to go
PeterL: now, how do I go about removing the old version and replacing it with the new one I just built?
PeterL: 9c5bbf00bb6103c7f3d91fe598489725341010b8d0785274029d4645c34ebe9c (stdin) << must be something to do with the older version I got from apt-get, with newer version I get this hash
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
PeterL: shouldn't they be the same?
PeterL: aha, this is the actual reason I was looking through FAQ: "SHA-3 is a completely new hash algorithm that makes a clean break with the previous SHAs. It is believed to be safe, with no warnings about its usage. It hasn't yet been officially introduced into the OpenPGP standard, and for that reason GnuPG doesn't support it."
PeterL: "RSA-4096 is not a bad idea: it’s just, generally speaking, unnecessary. You gain very little in the way of additional resistance to brute-forcing and cryptanalysis."
PeterL: https://www.gnupg.org/faq/gnupg-faq.html << "If you need more security than RSA-2048 offers, the way to go would be to switch to elliptical curve cryptography — not to continue using RSA." hmm, interesting
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a reason i did not use sha3 in the lamport tutorial.
mircea_popescu: because if you don't have it it doesn't do that ; and from a cursory inspection it turns out NOBODY packages it. because why would they, usg has its own designs.
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-06#1553536 << i use it to find the plug. people as close as possible with regular access to clean btc with no KYC links. based on dealings in our good 'ol city I think there is a small underground miner consortium.
thestringpuller: gotta case the trap spot first. honestly with street trapping you should have a shadow or two...some muscle...but I didn't want to imply i endorse violence in the article
mircea_popescu: more like a sign that the setup's done as he no longer cares what you think.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: in my experience you don't. it's more of a final warning. if the supplier tries to bail early, it's usually a setup of some kind.
mircea_popescu: if you sign them, they can also go into deedbot's list
mircea_popescu: though the later prolly premature
mircea_popescu: can put in http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ or else make a v out of them i guess.
mircea_popescu: neither have i
mircea_popescu sings... for the water is wide, i cannot get o'er
mircea_popescu: for the past five fucking years, nearly, i've been in the process of getting rid of the crap
asciilifeform: hey wasn't it mircea_popescu who (correctly) pointed out that there are no usable gold teeth in executed usg corpses. and now he's trying to salvage rathead linux ??
mircea_popescu: IN WHAT THE FUCK ELSE
mircea_popescu: yes. because this is why fucking weimer exists, so anything you need you build from source. then PeterL can wonder if "linux repo in v".
asciilifeform: or build their c reference proggy.
mircea_popescu: for the love of christ.
mircea_popescu: and in other fucking lulz http://archive.is/YOQ4U
mircea_popescu: also in lulz, red hat does not package rhash. at all. you want keccak on your system, use the buggy openssh implementation!
mircea_popescu: no, burn the whole thing. v is enough.
mircea_popescu: in other "holy shit open source" news : to run a linux repo, you must provide... md5hashes for the stuff, because... apt-get wants it. fancy that. and by default you get that and sha1. because it's fucking 1995 and there's a thousand fly eyes!
mircea_popescu: oama i thought they just aimed to suck the dick.
mircea_popescu: shinohai bet you we have them, but if you do - plox script for the love of all that's holy. bash-curl even.
oama: maybe that's why they all aim to have vaginas?
mircea_popescu: shinohai what the everloving fuck, handmade sks ?
mircea_popescu: i dun wanna be the king of cattle.
oama: still here mircea_popescu? you haven't convinced the argentinians to make you their dictator yet?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller and how do you propose the buyer "not let the supplier leave" ? unequal relationship, the supplier is the supplier, the buyer can run the gamut from the lowest upwards, so.
deedbot: http://thestringpuller.com/2016/10/thug-motiviation-101-applied/ << Pull Your Own Strings - Thug Motiviation 101 Applied
BingoBoingo: Also Poa Annua is a weed. Basically the winter version of crabgrass.
pete_dushenski: anyways, when putting on bermuda, you have to account for the direction... of the sun! it has the funkiest grain to it.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: more of a poa annua man myself. but anything's better than bluegrass, which has to be the single most bizarre and unkind species to ever afflict the genteel sport of golf.
BingoBoingo: Maybe it gets a special roundup plus of its own once there's more noise to nooze up
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> trinque: Nah, its the Ulbricht circle jerk again. Admit thing is yours to invoke privacy while admitting guilt << that was pretty ridoinculous, i recall. "you have a choice of self-incriminating through avenue a or b ; with a as the default if you pick nothing. what's your choice ? whadda ya mean this is nonsense, that's how we pick presidents also! GREAT DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF AFRICA!"
BingoBoingo: Or bentgrass prolly would work. A putting green right outside the orfice!
BingoBoingo: All the better reason to install artificially heated Zoysiagrass on your little bit of tundra
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's the principle of the thing. A lord in addition to the fief must have a small makework to demonstrate he has land he can afford neither to use for producing crops nor for composting woodchips upon.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: termites ? this is ~siberia. what termites. there aren't even (offically) rats. lynx is more frequently spotted.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know the whole warrants vs parrallel construction charade
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: for the naive, what means "invoke privacy" ?
pete_dushenski: man this tempranillo is hitting the spot
pete_dushenski: afaik i'm their only client
pete_dushenski: mulch guys are still ready and willing but my properties have exceedingly little streetscape so i only need them once or twice a year
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ANy progress with your mulch guys and their landscaping business? Or did it fodl after you gave them their first job.
trinque: bible did "the pig likes it" first eh? how bout that.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 17:48 PeterL: I guess I deserve it for going to junk-food (heavy on the junk) places
pete_dushenski: i dun think jews figure into 0.05% of pop here. and yet, the 'yud' arena is a thing (http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/22/drake-summer-sixteen-tour/#footnote_1_16519). go figure.
pete_dushenski: and since kid's gotta ~be~ something, and that something is a joo because there's no leg to stand on on the girl's side. and 'round here there's ~exactly~ one congregation of each sect. one.
ben_vulpes: well yeah, but are there really that few conservative synagogues out there?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah, its the Ulbricht circle jerk again. Admit thing is yours to invoke privacy while admitting guilt
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: orthodox and chabad don't take kindly to 'mixed' couples, leaving reform and conservative (no reconstructionists in these orclands)
trinque: they are screwed because they actually believe this concensus reality shit where "public opinion" matters and might be swayed by n+1 Snowdens.
trinque: The parties are engaged in pre-indictment discovery, and exploring the possibility of resolving this matter prior to presentation of the case to a grand jury. << sounds like "swear publically that you are not a Snowden" because that will do something.
BingoBoingo: I've also been looking into starting a Monsanto and marketing "Priviledge" as the banner product.
asciilifeform: elays later in the case. Obtaining the required clearances, if deemed necessary, may take weeks or months. Furthermore, if it is deemed necessary for defense counsel to review classified material, preparing and certifying appropriate facilities would also take several weeks.'
asciilifeform: with mega-gold, e.g., 'Complete discovery would likely require defense counsel to obtain appropriate security clearances (which they do not possess), and appropriate facilities to be prepared and made available to the defense for review and storage of any classified materials. In anticipation of that possibility, the process of obtaining security clearances was initiated shortly after the complaint in this case was issued, to avoid d
asciilifeform encountered for 1st time the mega-20th-c-popsong where '... Des Edelmannes Kindelein, heia hoho, \ das schicken wir in die Höll’ hinein, heia hoho. \ Des Edelmannes Töchterlein, heia hoho, \ soll heute uns’re Buhle sein, heia hoho...' and could not help but recall mircea_popescu's 'daughter sausage' concept.
BingoBoingo: And other fine tasks
BingoBoingo breaking in new gloves by typing with them on
BingoBoingo: Now imagine the view being marred by a midsection "tire"
BingoBoingo: Her current bodyshape is rather similar to Hillary's. The political implications of this are unclear
mircea_popescu: age gets to them all...
BingoBoingo: As is the way of her people after having baby she got round in less desirable places.
ben_vulpes: if you use that sexpr for anything automatedly, keep in mind that i will be transforming the list of transactions into an alist keyed on tx hash (aka id) once i get the db in place
BingoBoingo: Or in the recent parisian invasion and gagging, it was done to the BUTTler.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo kinda why "the butler did it" exists in the first place.
BingoBoingo: "The question came up after Donald Trump’s recent appearance on The Dr. Oz Show, in which it was revealed his weight and height—if his numbers are to be believed, his BMI is 30.3, which qualifies as obese." << OMG The trumpenfuher is an Obeast!
pete_dushenski: and you thought the internet would kill the need for air travel. ha!
mircea_popescu: apparently it's more the angle than the force.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553177 << jeebus that's vigorous fucking. next time use a roller coaster to pass the kidney stones. on second thought there's no way b-a has such an amenity.
a111: 0 results for "manual then automate", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=manual%20then%20automate
pete_dushenski: !#s manual then automate
shinohai: the Lords have spoken
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: think you can add !~btc.blocks.raw or something to that effect with the '&raw=true' at the end of the url ?
pete_dushenski: o.O nice. what's the command ?
shinohai: ben_vulpes: I took the liberty of linking to mimi from jhvh1 so one can quickly get page link to specified block
ben_vulpes off to don the commuter yeti
ben_vulpes: you know, i'm not particularly inclined to put the kids face on my website.
ben_vulpes: you should see the kid though
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: nifty work on the new tool yo
pete_dushenski: the high-s tx in questions is still pending to this very day.
ben_vulpes: https://gcaptain.com/photos-show-catastrophic-damage-to-hsv-swift-following-missile-attack/ << in case anyone's curious what the littoral combat ships will look like in another decade
mircea_popescu: who knew this is such a theme
mircea_popescu: apparently there's also a "bitch please, cut if before you fuck it"
mircea_popescu: from the same source, "don't wrap it and tap it ; tape her and rape her."
trinque: that is the correct amount of thigh.
BingoBoingo: Digging through the link-kive takes time and finess
shinohai: The lulzy part is a darknet market scamming for ~100k though not impossible twas just smash and grab
shinohai: I love the bitch, even when she is cruel
asciilifeform will be operating on a pulsed, rather than continuous-wave duty cycle for next week or so, plox to pm if something is desperately broken, if you are in my l1, siren will go off, eventually will answer.
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which, "the rise and fall of the great powers" by kennedy is not altogether a bad book. esp. as "nobody could have predicted" in 1987)
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 19:50 mircea_popescu: every day PeterL migrates closer in my head to the absolute epitome of midwest.
lobbes: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-10-05.log.html#t16:53:23 << and thus we can conclude that the tardstalk folk aren't even worth their weight in biodiesel. Ah well
mircea_popescu: use 3address ? you will lose your bitcoin. use prb ? you will lose your bitcoin. pick your poison, if it's theirs it's marked.
mircea_popescu: adlai vomit is the notion that you can usg and survive. you can't. if you do anything whatsoever, without any exception at all, that involves them, the only endgame for you is losing it.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to make it simpler than that, so there it is.
mircea_popescu: very simply put : if you use usg.vc.* which * means ANYHING, then anything (which means ANYTHING!) you touch, including your own money, your own bitcoin, your own penis, wife, life, whatever - can be destroyed in the process. and probably will be.
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] 2 Peter 2:22 :: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
adlai: segwit is much worse (or better!) than p2sh in this regard, aiui, you don't even need to find a preimage to spend them
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you manage to come back to the same vomit. but it is vomit.
adlai: ok ok ok, the issue was thestringpuller's ambiguous use of "rubble", i assumed he meant the coins themselves, you're interpreting it as the 'innovations'. w/e. it's impossible to 'destroy' coins through layers such as p2sh, segwit, drivechain, etc; it just makes coins less tightly controlled, and more dependent on miner goodwill
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; other than this, asciilifeform is broadly correct re the intended endgame of these various "innovations".
mircea_popescu: you're confusing topics. the cut stone / non cut stone was a discussion of the "contributions" in the shape of ideas, code, etc ; not of the way they fucked up pre-existing, and unrelated to them, bitcoin
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