Framedragger: asciilifeform: heh. i think i recall. pity i didn't properly *read* about it. guess time to corebios the fuck out of that laptop anyway
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Lenovo used shady ' rootkit ' tactic to quietly reinstall unwanted ...: <http://www.zdnet.com/article/lenovo-rootkit-ensured-its-software-could-not-be-deleted/>; Lenovo Caught Using Rootkit to Secretly Install Unremovable Software: <http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/lenovo-rootkit-malware.html>; Lenovo Statement on Lenovo Service Engine (LSE) BIOS | Lenovo ...: (1 more message)
trinque: presence of this backlight makes you think either of IBM or Lenovo wouldn't fuck you for their government masters?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you don't mean anything in cpu microcode but rather in bios? plox to enlighten uneducated naive mind
Framedragger: trinque: it's a small LED which shines down upon the most awesome thinkpad keyboard before lenovo ruined (fuck chiclet)
Framedragger: the prime point of my conviction regarding shadiness comes from the fact that X220 has a legit hax0r backlight at top of monitor.
Framedragger: ("truly shady" except for, you know, the whole shitty stack incl cpu, dma etc)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: hey no disagreement there!
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is trivial to pull the card. my point is that there is an abundance of mysteriously softwaretronic 'hardware switches' for write-protect, radio-toggle, etc.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i don't know how it works internally in x220. if i wanted to make sure to not have wifi, i'd remove / physically disconnect the controller, of course..
scriba: Logged on 2016-10-19: [23:36:04] <gabriel_laddel> Framedragger: have you managed to turn off the wifi on your x220 such that it won't re-enable when you toggle the hardware switch again?
trinque: was pretty entertaining when that mickey mouse hosting the show asked them why neither of them care about increasing the national debt.
trinque: Framedragger: ah and here I thought he wanted the wifi to stay off!
mircea_popescu: and in other "future britny spears" news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlU_wYK0YF4
Framedragger: also iirc x220's come with either intel or realtek wifi adapters. mine is intel
scriba: Logged on 2016-10-19: [23:36:04] <gabriel_laddel> Framedragger: have you managed to turn off the wifi on your x220 such that it won't re-enable when you toggle the hardware switch again?
asciilifeform: (consider, why did they not simply clim-for-winblowz ??)
a111: Logged on 2016-10-19 23:10 gabriel_laddel: This, when they already had a complete clim implementation.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556881 << i must point out, much as i have 0 luvvv for these folx, that this was a forced move. clim is ugly and dog-slow for what i suspect are fundamental reasons .
mircea_popescu: and in other afterparty news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/04467c1871a1103396d2ece8c0da251d/tumblr_nesv8r1BYD1tiy6qdo1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: Trump has hoardes, CLitler has "settlers" who can settle on other candidates.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/10/19/is-so-unfair-cycle-2/ << Bingo Blog - Is So Unfair Cycle 2
BingoBoingo: ty to shinohai for the lead
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/probable-aspect-of-peace-on-earth-arrested-while-the-notorious-quiet-and-tranquility-evades-capture/ << Qntra - Probable Aspect Of Peace On Earth Arrested While The Notorious Quiet And Tranquility Evades Capture
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's because they are jealous they don't have an Agri-CULTURE to celebrate
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> Framedragger: have you managed to turn off the wifi on your x220 such that it won't re-enable when you toggle the hardware switch again? << cut the antenna wires with a pair of Kleins or Dykes?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo lulz of all lulz is that well... not only jill stein is poisoning the clinton vote ; but so is johnson, some-fucking-how. << That's been on Qntra for months nao
jhvh1: thestringpuller: shinohai was last seen in #trilema 1 hour, 21 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <shinohai> bit it worx and we love it
AforA: read about the book...romanian? talk about synchronicity, I was just reading this guys work, and it seemed relevant to the point about domain invalidation from V: http://fs.gallup.unm.edu/florentinsmarandache.htm. hm. and as to answer your question mircea: the non-log part being absorbing the website.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: After doing a bit of gardening this weekend, and the science thereof, I'm a bit disappointed in the all the "cool kids" who made fun of the "Horticulture Kids"
mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of mosul & more generally the us inept engagement in the empire's graveyard : anyone know the great story of the faqir of ipi ?
asciilifeform: and then tearing out chunks of it as i nuked'em
mod6: asciilifeform: heheh, i thought some guy was gonna print the book for you?
mod6: mircea_popescu: a fair point. we have been pretty frugal. we have considered paying for a few things, but they never were fully baked.
asciilifeform: where is my motherfuckingb00000k
mircea_popescu: hing like this has the advantage that it's an entirely uninvesting expenditure (exact opposite of what the faux foundation did with its "hiring" of nsa asset gavin andresen), it commits the foundation to ~nothing and can be discontinued at any point.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the main consideration there, strategically, would be that while foundation's conservative finances are certainly the path to victory, the absence of any and all expenditures is probably by now becoming a drag - why'd someone donate his tax dues when the coin is just going to sit ? he might as well donate it mentally and let it sit in his own pocket. sooner or later something will hafta be done, or else why bother. somet
mircea_popescu: a pity too because i really liked the graphing
asciilifeform: never came up for air since the schism, eh
asciilifeform: not, strangely, coming up in the search.
mircea_popescu: AforA i'd certainly give a look at the result of trying to shove the whole 100mb log into that graph thingee ; because even something relatively simple like say MY wot looks like http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/
a111: Logged on 2016-10-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: which is the non-log part ?
mircea_popescu: which is the non-log part ?
AforA: joined myself to IRC first, orienting now. ;) my thinking right now to deal with that amount of data is to shove the entire logs into infranodus.com, but that'll get reevaluate before; after I'm done reading the non-log part :)
mircea_popescu: btw phf did you load the old archives yet ?
gabriel_laddel cannot deliver this masamune machine until the wifi works and wtf am I missing here
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: have you managed to turn off the wifi on your x220 such that it won't re-enable when you toggle the hardware switch again?
mircea_popescu: opengl owned the video market for a decade, did nothing with it so microshit could catch up.
gabriel_laddel: The franz "foxhole" == writing parsers for whoever comes along and pays them to do so, failing to exploit the most obvious benefit of lisp, surrendering the whole competitive advantage.
mircea_popescu: apparently in a contest with a popular revolutionary, the best way to lose is to play establishment. everyone eats your vote.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lulz of all lulz is that well... not only jill stein is poisoning the clinton vote ; but so is johnson, some-fucking-how.
phf: this is like the three stooges slapstik
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not telling him what to do either; i sometimes rant alongside asciilifeform, but i don't actually think gabriel_laddel should be doing something differently.
mircea_popescu: and in the butthurt of all time, trump ahead in polls. o noes.
mircea_popescu: uh. i thought you measnt actually hosting the channel.
phf: gabriel_laddel: franz have been living in frontline foxholes since before you knew what a computer was, i don't think masamune is there yet to judge their methods
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: as a "client": kiwiirc on a bad connection, beirc if in the mood or default to emacs "host": nfi, never done it.
gabriel_laddel: http://paste.lisp.org/display/329035 < location of all missing McCLIM forms in the franz codebase if one gets bored.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah ima do the one where marisa tomei is a stripper next i think
trinque: gabriel_laddel: any idea how many client contracts they survive on?
gabriel_laddel: This, when they already had a complete clim implementation.
gabriel_laddel: I have nfi, just saw that they utilize a cffi at some point. I interviewed at franz and talked with them about it (this is why it was released?) -- they have no vision and I consider anything they touch to be tainted.
gabriel_laddel: It has useful comments too, but the CFFI makes it a no-go for me.
trinque: thread reference is going to be indispensible for digestion of the clim-wad
gabriel_laddel: you too see the end game, so I'm happy
gabriel_laddel: trinque: nein. whatever you've got to do to use CLIM in the day-to-day is fine with me.
phf: check your pm, but since that's a public question, i'll also answere here. i'm not going to go through work of releasing of logger in the immediate future, but i can dedicate some time to making sure logger can attach and track multiple channels, host masamune logs for you. this is aligned with a cleanup work that i was going to do, and i might as well do it next
gabriel_laddel: phf getting some linux boxen from which to host the #sane-clim / #masamune irc channel + logs either this friday or the next. Any chance you'll be releasing the logger at some point so that I don't have to write my own?
mircea_popescu: in other "properly dressed sluts" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/1c96f67affad9787929e73c6cf27b36f/tumblr_oefajj3I2p1uen6aho1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: i wrote some code to make the life of eulora players more confusing. i spent half hour writing it and one hour fighting fence errors.
mircea_popescu: it resulted in 0 press coverage, even from the derpy campus newspapers which evidently have nothing to report on (but hey, socialist butthurt) ; however it did produce ample fresh beaver supplies, which is what ads are for after all.
mircea_popescu actyually did that last one for http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/ just had the article printed and affixed to walls. was pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: go on fiver and pay people to fill the uni campuses with fliers.
mircea_popescu: put it on google ads / facebook ads / twitter ads, whatever the fuck.
trinque: like he raped there befoar
mircea_popescu: trinque what do you mean second visit ? like he worked there befoar ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally : it occurs to me we might be well advised to run an advertising campaign along the lines of "No University in the world can rival the Republic's own STEM research lab".
BingoBoingo: Californian? Yes! They believe in simply staying out of "Bad Neighborhoods" and tiny bottles of OC/CS.
asciilifeform: and what, they are ghandians and don't believe in defending self ?
trinque: on that note, last week some mexican dude broke into my sister's neighbor's apt, raped chick inside, tried to kill her. noteworthy cuckland lul of it being that it was his second visit to the property in a month or so.
BingoBoingo: Oh, no I mean the physical butt bleeding happens at Union thug schools, because the wider world is merging with the world of James Lafond Presents Baltimore
mircea_popescu: nowadays the good state-science being, of course, "taking it in the ass and eating a lot of soy won't castrate you".
mircea_popescu: this is a myth, much exactly the same as "masturbation will make you blind".
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because one has visible bleeding from the butt and the other has metaphysical butt bleeding.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-19 17:23 adlai: pairing is the main moon math behind mumblejumble. one of my secondary hopes in going to milan was to leave with some rough understanding of pairings, but it has yet to crystallize.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Really splits the middle. More like amphetamine though because nearly all its activity is on dopamine and norepinephrine.
mircea_popescu: somehow i'm supposed to take umbrage to brothel-living tween who can't do basic math ; but i'm supposed to see no problem whatsoever with school-going tween who can't basic math. because reasons.
mircea_popescu: it's ~just as stupid for the kid inquestion to imagine the state is good and paying taxes is not rape as it is for the same kid to imagine whoring is a future plan and so on.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "drugs are bad mkay take this ritalin" sorta thing. << Why use the PC name and not call it Kid-amphetamine?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-19 15:13 asciilifeform: being the only ~serious industrial country in europe unwrecked by ww2, and full of german sympathizers, it 'musted die'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556744 << the problem of the socialist state is that as it hijacks terminology to try and get an unwilling society to implement its policy, the ACTUAL subjects of the terminology and the PRETENDED subjects of the terminology become disjunct. and so this constant apparent hypocrisy whereby they wish to see diametrically opposed reaction to the same label.
mircea_popescu: i suppose because it's by now evident they aren't.
mircea_popescu: then idiots want to know if mpex is for real. not you know, if nyse & nasdaq are.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-19 14:43 shinohai: < 24 hrs after hard fork to stop ETH attacks, another attack is ongoing and butterin suggest yet another fork will fix it: http://archive.is/3XcGG
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556736 << the lulz of all time being the "price" and "market cap" as reported by you know, "Exchanges" where this shitstain "is traded" being CONSTANT in the interval.
asciilifeform: right now doing crypto-anything is like walking on mars. desert, as far as the eye can see, not even cactus or fly.
mircea_popescu: when the "adults" have fucked a topic to death to no-one's benefit, and the kids finally get their hands on it.
asciilifeform: there is a titanic volume of drivel on subj. it is just that. none of any of the schemes i know of, is good for ~anything.
asciilifeform ftr must point out that state of the art 'hot fusion' is much close to working than malleable-whateverthefucks.
mircea_popescu: the way this shit works is that nothing progresses science quite as much as the idle availability of specific precursors. which is both why alf has a point re the failure of us science and engineering being related to the criminalization of the garage teenager's bombmaking lab as well as to the general idea that "you get to have sex in college".
mircea_popescu: but this aside : HAVING the thing there will be very useful for some important areas of republican research. such as the most evident one - malleable computation. (ie, when you somehow structure your code so that others can help but can't discern what they're helping. this may or may not involve a well chosen cipher system).
a111: Logged on 2016-10-19 14:14 trinque: when the great schism occurred, I wrote the first cut of deedbot as quickly as possible as a single large blob of code.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556728 << yeah pretty quick moving there too, was just a few days iirc.
adlai: pairing is the main moon math behind mumblejumble. one of my secondary hopes in going to milan was to leave with some rough understanding of pairings, but it has yet to crystallize.
asciilifeform: graphic systems for government agencies. In the NIST "Report on Pairing-based Cryptography" issued in February 2015, they state....' --- snore
asciilifeform: 'Standards bodies have already begun standardizing various pairing-based schemes. These include the IEEE, ISO, and IETF. Besides identity-based encryption (IBE), the standardized schemes include identity-based signatures, identity-based signcryption, identity-based key establishment mechanisms, and identity-based key distribution for use in multimedia. NIST has also recommended the standardization and adoption of pairing-based crypto
thestringpuller cleans up the poop...somehow
thestringpuller: UGH. i pooped in the logs.
asciilifeform: 'New York City police are looking for whoever draped a gigantic banner featuring a portrait of Russian President Vladimir Putin over the side of the Manhattan Bridge'
asciilifeform: being the only ~serious industrial country in europe unwrecked by ww2, and full of german sympathizers, it 'musted die'
BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah, I'll let you write of the sweden
asciilifeform: btw, the long-defunkt finn, ilkka kokkarinen, had a mighty interesting explanation of why sweden became a laboratory for cutting edge liberasty
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> btw BingoBoingo i submit something like "troubled hrc fundraisers despair of ever receiving support from bitcoin, comically look to ven in desperation" or such for the next roundup (sauce http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-18#1556416 ) << AHA, it's a firm mebbe for next one. Didn't fit flavor of recent electoral one.
shinohai: Yeah, hence I don't want to screw up a good thing lol by submitting trash all the time
mod6: the lels just keep on comin' eh
shinohai: < 24 hrs after hard fork to stop ETH attacks, another attack is ongoing and butterin suggest yet another fork will fix it: http://archive.is/3XcGG
trinque: when the great schism occurred, I wrote the first cut of deedbot as quickly as possible as a single large blob of code.
trinque: made great progress last weekend, got the rest of the various services of deedbot broken off into tidy separate projects.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 and once trinque gets the payment side of deedbot ready, you can even charge a fee! << yeah, nice!
trinque: https://www.rt.com/news/363256-sweden-returning-terrorists-benefits/ << ""considering giving jihadists returning from Syria and Iraq free housing, a driver’s license, and tax benefits to ease their reintegration"
shinohai: I was just about to say, it is obvious they will make a pseudo scientific effirt at creating a "cryptocurrency"
mircea_popescu: buncha mentally retarded but politically ambitious social-pseudosciences types trying to get ahead in the world as best they know how. which somehow, in their broken culture, does not mean twerking, for some reason.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the ven thing, it has nothing to do with blockchain, or with technology generally. it's the funniest thing you ever saw, a sort of etsy-paypal, made by the same sort of stunted minds that tried to push doge.
mircea_popescu: btw BingoBoingo i submit something like "troubled hrc fundraisers despair of ever receiving support from bitcoin, comically look to ven in desperation" or such for the next roundup (sauce http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-18#1556416 )
mircea_popescu: mod6 and once trinque gets the payment side of deedbot ready, you can even charge a fee!
adlai: Framedragger: are you familiar with tb0t and http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ ?
Framedragger: (man, i am in dire need of multi-tier TODO lists (sorted by urgency and other things). my TODO text file is a mess.)
mircea_popescu: and in other slutwalks, http://67.media.tumblr.com/664192ee16a81806fe5a41a2f11892d5/tumblr_oefajj3I2p1uen6aho3_400.gif
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-18#1556642 << #HashTags that don't even link to anything is the exact opposite of literacy
BingoBoingo: OMG that has to be the highest ratio of arm fat storage I have ever seen.
mircea_popescu: and in other news of BingoBoingo interest, http://67.media.tumblr.com/159e0027458126b9efc2d199e05011c2/tumblr_oa4ggeei1C1v7tn4go3_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: tangentially tangentially, i dunno about these headlights, baby. i think i need to take 'em out and rattle them around for a few hours before i trust the connectors and re-seating job fully.
mircea_popescu: stick to autoshop bodywork, these advanced webthingees not fer ya :D
ben_vulpes: collapsing it did not undo the expansion
mircea_popescu: it's funny, reviewing the iraq conflict, just how much fucking romanian weaponry is involved.
mircea_popescu: not to the weevils.
asciilifeform: the 'bugspray for 10,001 species of weevil' aspect was obvious almost on day 1.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the point that bitcoin is "right wing", which is to say, that it chokes socialism by its very nature, rather than by some sort of interpretation or ulterior human construction apparently finally landed
mircea_popescu: parliaments regulate. governments are not parliaments, nor are they legitimate, as a matter of principle, which is separable and also separate from the absent legitimacy of parliaments.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. "code IS much closer to x than y". "says who" "sayz me" "aokthen"
mircea_popescu: apparently the pashmerga have decided they're not going to go any further. iraqi "police" is on its own.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever heard of regular forces winning an attrition fight with insurgents and who the fuck is the imbecile strategist that allowed this to play out...
mircea_popescu: otherwise in mosul, the fight is now supposed to take two months, a 50% upgrade, and from the locals The Iraqi army arrived yesterday and took the town, and today Isis came back and the army ran away. We werent expecting this.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, guess who (else) is rewriting trilema "in his own words". that's right, irrelevant academitard from flyover country : http://news.vcu.edu/article/VCU_professor_discusses_The_Politics_of_Bitcoin_Software_as_RightWing
mircea_popescu: speaking of the gifts of sodomy
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> yes dram gave you 'gigabyte per chip', nevermind ~of what~ << DRAMs of rum also refreshed the Royal Navy's gift of sodomy
mircea_popescu: and i don't need a wire. i'm just using the wire to loosen headcunts.
asciilifeform: put'em on the same die.
asciilifeform: which are made of something other than semiconductor ?
asciilifeform: what's on other end?
mircea_popescu points out that a 1024x768 bundle of wires, 786.5k total is not unthinkable. at 50 microns each + 30 insulation you'll end up with a cable bundle 4 inches thick, big deal. a girl could take it in either hole with a little practice!
asciilifeform: the same idiocy recurs, everywhere, 'eh our cow died, let's call the resulting mass of weevils 'the cow', pretend to drink its... milk'
mircea_popescu: fucking factory model that gave us the usg in the end. "oh this is where we process things". damn it.
mircea_popescu: about as stupid as creating a mechanical drum for the usb stick
mircea_popescu: that's what i'm saying. make a fucking proper lcd alrerady, who the fuck heard of this crt-emulated-in-lcd
mircea_popescu: screen shows what's in ram. no more, no less. at the fps here considered, these artefacts aren't more significant than the speaker hum due to being powered off ac not dc
trinque: could have as many as you like, tell the video output thinger that offset x to x+n is the frame
trinque: if there's no video card, I assume there is just an area of ram currently being used as such
asciilifeform: there is never 1, unless you like flicker.
mircea_popescu: apparently they did one of the very few honest attempts at 3d, with spinning half-black disk and everything.
mircea_popescu: eh, vector display was this attempt of console people in the 80s to fight the killer micro.
trinque: still same horizontal scan pattern instead of tracing out the vector shapes?
asciilifeform: aha, as the name implied.
mircea_popescu: one of the vertical displays
mircea_popescu: then we can build twinkle at home.
mircea_popescu: aha. imagine that thing, with individually wired pixels, the cable coming out of its back as thick as the fucking viewport.
mircea_popescu: ALL THE TIME, EVERY TIME, NO EXCEPTIONS.
mircea_popescu: and if i want to do a slideshow i do a for loop, and the machine cycles through the bmps as fast as memory updates, which is to say i get 2GHz ie 2 bn fps.
mircea_popescu: basically printing the screen with tits should be cat tits.bmp > screen0
trinque: that's the divergence here
trinque: certainly not in the chip; CLIM is a very high level thing, akin to hypercard or the browser and not a video driver
mircea_popescu: sure. but in your hands not in the fucking crazy chip.
mircea_popescu: this (xy) thing is a raster artefact. i'm not fucking scanning the pixels.
mircea_popescu: all the time.\
mircea_popescu: notreally. you do the whole screen at once.
trinque: but I'm speaking of the application layer; eventually you're talking about an X,Y position, no?
mircea_popescu: pixels really are just color(rgb), 3 bytes. the xy is implicit.
trinque: and the former maps nicely to being a CLIM backend, i.e. a framebuffer port of the thing wouldn't be that hard
trinque: I tend to agree with the former
mircea_popescu: do you understand that the "graphics" ad-hoc card-programming was more code than the actual game for most studios in the period ?
mircea_popescu: just the issues of bad blipping, flipped buffers, jesus almighty.
mircea_popescu: o brother.
trinque: I can't just hide in this nice niche where I call (draw-circle* ...) and the thing does?
mircea_popescu: the insanity that occured. the errors. the nvida game developer dessant teams. the whole decade.
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think you appreciate the horror of directx/opengl, for blessed lack of experience. but if you wish to get spooked and not be able to sleep ever again, do review the history of opengl 2006-2016 in context.
trinque: you'd still at the application layer be describing operations on a plane which are a function over the previous plane producing the next
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even a modest 1024x768 screen would be 2mb which is not bad for memory inspectionz either
trinque: this is not related to the discussion of CLIM at all
mircea_popescu: by now "gpu" can move on to its proper niche as... hash engine (ie, what in period lingo would be "math coprocessor") and the video can go back to being straight up dac
asciilifeform: before the whole 'gpu' crapolade went konsooomer.
asciilifeform: funnily enough, we had this in the '80s.
mircea_popescu: anyway - a tightly coupled video-ram bridge would even do away with the dumbass "drivers" and etc.
asciilifeform: i'd be satisfied even with the modest miracle of ~usable~ lcd not going up exponentially in price.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : the whole "what part of buffer to redraw" and the assorted nonsense comes from a time of scanning crts. i would be very much interested to see computing hardware built around a lcd paradigm. which is to say : no more hdds ; everything is flash rom, the "hdd", the "ram", the "display". arrays of x by y cells is all.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
trinque: not terribly much more to CLIM, other than sanity around which parts of buffer to redraw
trinque: the provided example incurs "AND ALSO ALL OF MAC OS" as postgresql incurs item on Linux
trinque: the clim part gives me anything I'd have wanted from hypercard
asciilifeform: want to tell me that a copy of postgres substitutes for the subj ?
asciilifeform: trinque: but didja ever read the linked piece ?
trinque wonders aloud wtf asciilifeform has against the relational model
trinque: persistent CLOS with a CLIM gadget per table would be *precisely* the thing.
trinque: relational db must be rewritten in Lisp and there must be a CLIM interface written for it
a111: Logged on 2016-10-18 19:18 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568&cpage=4#comment-17975 << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, https://ostif.org/the-veracrypt-audit-results << 'modernized' truecrypt.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell thestringpuller will ping in a bit, got pm's shut off again so I can concentrate
asciilifeform: similarly to how 'asic' vendors will happily ship 2014 fpga with the etching sanded off.
asciilifeform: well they are more than happy to put derps in touch with eliza.
mircea_popescu: bout same as current cunts. there's a reason all that's available to the general population on dating sites is well used 40+yos
asciilifeform: if the current devices are exported and sold anywhere, it is a well-kept secret.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: how do you regard strangers who offer to do other -ev things for you ?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is deeply -ev to make and ~sell to plebes~ a usefully current miner.
thestringpuller: and when I mention miners they stop taking calls
thestringpuller: nah these are irl people I meet and buy btc from who seem to have "deep supply", so I have on idea where they source their funds
thestringpuller: Every time I mention miners to a supplier they freak out and vanish.
mircea_popescu: let it be pointed out that it's the best anal fissure curative agent.
mircea_popescu: and in totally unrelated news, hyaluronic acid is not really available this side od the pond ?